LATE SHOW NEWS #162
July 22, 1997
by Aaron Barnhart
NOTE: This issue is rated L for language and S for gratuitous
schmoozing.
PASADENA, Calif. -- Beyond a doubt, the highlight for
me this week at the television critics' tour was meeting
Rupert Jee at a CBS party. I know what you're thinking:
(1) Aaron, you celebrity whore; (2) What's Rupert Jee
doing in California? The answer is actually a simple
one: the network wanted someone from "Late Show" there
at the party, no one at the show could make it, so the
show asked Rupert. He's a made-in-America success story, a
longtime worker in the Garment District who opened a
deli just off Broadway and, a year and a half later,
found fame and a steady clientele when a new neighbor
moved in. He's also a heckuva nice guy who only
half-reluctantly stands in the spotlight when it comes
his way -- kind of like Larry "Bud" Melman before he landed
the 1-800-COLLECT endorsement. Which is probably why the
folks at the "Late Show" keep calling on Rupert ...
Another highlight was enjoying a quality "Late Late Show" on
Wednesday, live and in person from the green room at CBS
Television City in Hollywood. The segments were Alec
Baldwin in the studio, with a spirited defense of the
National Endowment for the Arts, which he followed with
a gut-splitting recollection of his Little League days.
In the second segment, Edna Buchanan was interviewed in
Miami about the Versace slaying. It was a night of sparkling
chatter from one of the great young talk-show talkers
and incisive analysis from an author who knows how to
speak in complete sentences. Then there was the unexpected
touch of the young woman who phoned in, who sounded
very much like someone staying up past her bedtime to
call in. At the end Tom asked, *How old are you, young
lady?* and the tiny voice answered, *I'm 32.* Later in
the green room, as part of the post-interview ritual,
Baldwin signed a "Late Late Show" mural with the
inscription, "I'm only 33!" I've been at a handful of
Snyder shows now, and I must say that when Tom and the
gang knock out a great show, you can tell. Everybody
skips around afterwards with big silly grins and you
swear someone's going to offer you a cigar ...
The Television Critics Association gave out its annual
awards Sunday night, and "The Larry Sanders Show" won
for best comedy. Garry Shandling gave a hilarious acceptance
speech, but the best part wasn't caught by most in
attendance because they were still applauding. Garry
stepped up to the podium, turned to an unknown critic in
the audience -- not me -- and mouthed the words, "You
complete me" ... (By the way, reader Neil Schwartzman
reports having a rare north-of-the-border "Larry" sighting,
Saturdays at midnight on Ottawa's CJOH) ...
And at the "Politically Incorrect" cocktail hour on Monday,
where it was announced that the show has been renewed
through 1998. I also got an advance copy of the program
that will air a week from Thursday as the last prime-time
"PI." The guests: Florence Henderson, G. Gordon Liddy,
"abstinence activist" Likita Garth and Alice Cooper wannabe
Marilyn Manson. Believe it or not, between Manson's
apologias for his act and Garth's incessant pseudo-Christian
nattering, Liddy is kept almost completely in check
throughout this broadcast. Mrs. Brady befriends Manson
like an understanding counselor, and Bill's timing is
near flawless. Note: This episode airs at *9* p.m. Eastern,
not 10 as in previous weeks ... Executive producer Scott
Carter also told me that "PI" will do a week's worth of
shows from Ford's Theater in Washington, D.C., the first
week of November ...
Robert Morton was going to make an unannounced appearance at
the ABC session Tuesday promoting his new executive-produced
comedy, "Over the Top," but backed out at the last minute,
fearing all of the questions from reporters would be not
about the show but his relationship to, as the tabbies
always seem to put it, "embattled ABC Entertainment
president Jamie Tarses" ...
They're actually making a movie out of that annoying "Roxbury
Guys" routine you see much too much of on "Saturday
Night Live." Will Ferrell and Chris Kattan will star,
Amy Heckerling ("Clueless," "Fast Times") will produce,
Peter Markle ("Youngblood") will direct. It's a low-budget
affair, and one wonders if it might not have been better
positioned as a TV movie-of-the-week for NBC, now that
the network has a deal with Lorne Michaels to create
something called SNL Studios that will specialize in
non-late night programming ... No new people will join
the "SNL" cast, Michaels announced Friday, but Tim
Meadows and Mark McKinney appear to be leaving and the
remaining "featured players" will be folded into the regular
cast ...
During a press conference last week for the new Kirstie
Alley sitcom on NBC, "Veronica's Closet," somebody asked
why Wally Langham's ("Larry Sanders") character Josh
won't admit he's gay when everyone around him thinks he
is. One of the show's producers, David Crane, said it
was because it made Josh "fresh" and "a character we feel we
have never seen on television before." As his last act
as "SNL" publicist before joining "Late Night" as a
producer, maybe Daniel Ferguson should forward the producers
of "Veronica's Closet" a clip reel of Rob Smigel's
"Ambiguously Gay Duo" series appearing on selfsame
network ...
Randy Cohen, the former "Late Night with David Letterman"
writer, has a running diary in Slate magazine
about his week spent filling out
a Nielsen diary. It's a great meditation on television
and audience measurement. Cohen, who wrote the diary
anonymously, reveals that "Late Night" staffers feared
they would be cancelled during their first few seasons,
and that NBC commissioned its own research to show that
"Late Night" was drawing an inordinate number of unmeasured
viewers. "They (Nielsens) don't survey those watching in
institutional settings--college dorms, hospitals, jail--who
were our core constituency at 'Late Night,'" Cohen writes.
"The show commissioned its own surveys to demonstrate
that our viewers were just the sort of youthful tire-buying
beer-lovers cherished by sponsors. These statistics let
'Late Night' charge more for a commercial than programs
with similar ratings. Our 2 is better than your 2." ...
Andy Richter did an AOL last week and here's our favorite
exchange, bleeps courtesy AOL:
"Question: How does it feel to have all these people reading
your thoughts?"
"ARichter1: These aren't my thoughts, they're horse****
answers to your well thought out questions."
***
Reader mail, and lots of it: About the billboard. I
knew many of you would see it another way. Karen Lynch
writes, "I think the billboard is hilarious. I, too,
had seen the huge Leno '#1 in Late Night' billboard over
the past few months (you can't miss it) and thought it
truly obnoxious. Not that they would put up such a sign
but where they LOCATED it, for chrissakes. You can see
it clearly from 53rd and Broadway so Dave and the gang
had a daily reminder telling them they're losers, basically.
I'm not media savvy like you so you may be right about
the repercussions. But from a personal viewpoint, I say
bravo" ... "I think the Letterman #3 sign is great," writes
Patrick Laws. "Leave it to Leno, aka 'Kiss-Ass Mr.
Hollywood,' to brag" ... Donna Fletcher, who saw the dueling
signs featured on "Today": "Big deal about the Dave/Jay
billboard on the morning shows! Good to see Dave getting
his old sense of humor back. I LIKED the fat and sour
Dave" ...
And this from Traci Gilland: "For Christ's sake, Aaron,
must you always be so cynical? Plain and simple the
billboard makes the statement that the 'Late Show' folks
are happy with what they are putting out, ratings be damned.
It re-emphasizes the point that Letterman finds all this
showbiz posturing a big load of crap. Whether the billboard
stays three days or three months, it makes that point
and makes most of us laugh our collective asses off. I
for one will happily go stand beneath the Brill Building,
focus my little camera to the roof and capture the whole
lovely sight on film to remain with me forever."
About the GLAAD protest letter over Dave's Top Ten List
poking fun, for the 948th time, at Richard Simmons's
sissy routine: "I should have known I was enjoying something
that I wasn't supposed to be," writes Scott Barvian.
"That Top Ten was the first Top Ten I'd saved on videotape
in over three years (excepting special events such as
'top ten things that sound cool when sung by a barbershop
quartet,' etc.)" ...
And our pal Damone writes, "I really can't believe GLAAD. In
this case, they at least have some sort of point, but
they seem to go out of their way to be seen as crusading. I
used to respect them until I had a first-hand account of
their lack of humor. There used to be a character on
'Late Night' called 'Todd, the guy who won't believe
that Conan's not gay.' He was hilarious. The sketch
was more about Conan's insecurity than anything else.
In fact, one of the most vocal fans of the sketch on the
newsgroup was a gay man who went so far as to put up a
web page in praise of the sketch. GLAAD protested the
sketch because they said it was stereotypical and the sketch
went away, whether from pressure by NBC or Conan's own
decision. People wouldn't say GLAAD lacked a sense of
humor if they didn't have knee-jerk reactions to every
piece of humor involving homosexuals and actually watched
the damn things first."
A thoughtful rant from longtime reader and now journalism
professor Karla Robinson, who like me was in Evanston
when this newsletter started and has since moved on: "I've
been watching Letterman's ratings fall for the past two
seasons or so, like everyone else, but I really feel
strongly that the quality of the show is not the number
one reason for his decline in the Nielsen's. ... I did a
little Leno/Letterman comparison the other night. I watched
Leno interview Jodie Foster, and squirmed through the entire
thing. It was another case of overscripting: Leno brings
out old toothpaste ad of Jodie's we've all seen before,
makes her uncomfortable, starts *every* new question
with, 'I read somewhere that you...,' expecting her to
recapitulate the anecdote for the audience. I learned
nothing new about Jodie, she clearly was uncomfortable
with the whole exercise, and Jay was forced, forced,
forced.
"Then, I switched over to a Letterman repeat, where he
was interviewing MaliVai Washington, the tennis player
who had been runnerup at Wimbledon in 1996. Letterman
clearly had some rehearsed shtick, such as the photo of
Washington and a competitor witnessing a streaker on the
court, and the use of the silver tray he had won to serve up
some nachos and salsa, but I really felt like Letterman
was listening to the guy, allowing him to be himself.
It was enjoyable, squirm-free television. ... Perhaps
the only interviewer on television who is lamer than Jay
is Alex Trebek."
Maybe so, but consider this from first-time caller Diane
Lehwald: "I watched Dave last night and I have to ask:
What the hell is with Mary Tyler Moore. In general, I
like her, as I know Dave does, but seeing the show last
night reminded me that with each viewing of her on Dave's
show, I hate her just a little bit more. Why does she
constantly watch herself on the monitor turning her body
to see herself from every angle? Could she contort her
body any more so that we are forced to see her back and
the fact that she isn't wearing a bra (a fact that, as a
woman, I wouldn't be too proud about)? Is she that in awe of
how she's kept herself up, or does she get off knowing
people are staring at her body?" ...
And Anne Raugh writes, "I really enjoyed the two pre-taped
'remote' interviews Conan has done recently (Hunter Thompson
and Paul McCartney). The Hunter Thompson interview was
especially interesting, since I believe it aired within
a few weeks of when Thompson was supposed to appear on
'Politically Incorrect,' but flaked. I think it speaks
well for 'Late Night' generally, and Conan in particular,
that he's willing to chase down selected interesting but
not frequently interviewed stars in order to get the big
names on 'Late Night.' After all, we can't all be
Mohammed."
Tom Heald's THIS NIGHT IN HISTORY
Tu 7/22: In 1996, the inaccurately-named "The Daily
Show" premieres on Comedy Central, after "Politically
Incorrect," whose time slot "The Daily Show" will slide
into once "PI" moves to ABC. "Host Craig Kilborn, formerly
of ESPN, has gone through some sort of makeover and now
looks like Bob Costas's evil twin brother," says LATE
SHOW NEWS.
We 7/23: In 1993, the "Coneheads" movie lands in theatres...
with a thud. More than just a bloated unfunny vanity
project, "Coneheads" is perhaps the "Saturday Night
Live"-est film ever shot, featuring a full 15 of the
"Not Ready for Prime Time Players": Dan Aykroyd, Peter
Aykroyd, Jane Curtin, Chris Farley, Phil Hartman, Jan Hooks,
Jon Lovitz, Tim Meadows, Michael McKean, Garrett Morris,
Kevin Nealon, Laraine Newman, Adam Sandler, David Spade,
and Julia Sweeney. Plus scenes from Ellen Cleghorne and
former "Saturday Night Live writer" Conan O'Brien that
are left on the cutting room floor.
Th 7/24: In 1995, on CBS's "Late Show With David Letterman,"
a "dumb ads" segment introduces to the world a Canadian
filling station attendant who goes by the name of Dick
Assman (OSS-man). The entire North American viewing audience
soon catches Dick Assman-ia!!
Fr 7/25: In 1993, "Politically Incorrect" debuts on
Comedy Central, with host Bill Maher and guests Robin
Quivers, political strategist Ed Rollins, and comedians
Larry Miller and Jerry Seinfeld.
Sa 7/26: In 1957, "Tonight! America After Dark" last airs on
NBC. Following Steve Allen's departure in January 1957,
the "Tonight Show" turns from comedy to a "Today" show-style
news format. The change fails to catch on with either
critics or viewers, and lasts six months.
Su 7/27: In 1985, the last three original episodes of
the surreal variety show "Michael Nesmith In Television
Parts" air as a one week replacement for "Saturday Night
Live."
Mo 7/28: In 1978, "National Lampoon's Animal House" opens in
theaters and goes on to become the highest grossing comedy
of its time, launching "Saturday Night Live" cast member
John Belushi John into superstardom.
[Thanks to Tim Brooks, Earl Marsh, Bill Maher, and
matt@belushi.com. Special thanks to Donz5, currently
starring as "President William Jefferson Clinton" in the
movie "Contact."]
Hilarious gay serial killer and/or ear-biting material
for Norm MacDonald to use in between Frank Stallone
jokes can be sent to Tom Heald at .
THE LINEUPS
(with Sue Trowbridge)
LATE SHOW WITH DAVID LETTERMAN, CBS
Tu 7/22 Kids Tell Jokes, Mario Andretti, John Hiatt
We 7/23 John Turturro, Kathy Kinney, Radish
Th 7/24 Dan Rather, Kathy Griffin, k.d. lang
Fr 7/25 Samuel L. Jackson, Barry Sonnenfeld, Eddie Brill
Mo 7/28 Jennifer Aniston, Phylicia Rashad, Brian Regan
Tu 7/29 Norm MacDonald, William H. Macy, Jamiroquai
We 7/30 Charles Grodin, Billy Connolly, David Byrne
Th 7/31 Tommy Lasorda, Jonathan Katz, Blues Traveler
Fr 8/1 Tony Danza, Michael Rappaport, Todd Barry
THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO, NBC
Tu 7/22 Evander Holyfield
We 7/23 Patrick Stewart
Th 7/24 Kathy Ireland, Kenan Thompson & Kel Mitchell, the Pendragons
Fr 7/25 Radiohead
Mo 7/28 - We 7/30 TBA
Th 7/31 Alice Cooper
LATE LATE SHOW WITH TOM SNYDER, CBS
Jon Stewart will be the guest host for the week of July 21-25.
Tu 7/22 Ray Romano
We 7/23 Lea Thompson, Michael Hutchence
Th 7/24 Al Franken, Karen Duffy
Fr 7/25 Keenen Ivory Wayans, Tom Shales
Mo 7/28 Kenny Loggins
Tu 7/29 Liza Minnelli, Brett Butler
We 7/30 Marcia Clark, Peter Fonda
Th 7/31 Michael Jeter
LATE NIGHT WITH CONAN O'BRIEN, NBC
Tu 7/22 The Smothers Brothers, Fun Lovin' Criminals
We 7/23 Isabella Rossellini
Th 7/24 David Alan Grier, Sugar Ray
Fr 7/25 "Mr. Food'' Art Ginsberg
Mo 7/28 Phil Hartman, Roger Ebert, Ken Shamrock (R 11/22/96)
Tu 7/29 Scott Thompson
We 7/30 Steve Miller & Curtis Selgado
Th 7/31 Kevin Bacon
LATER, NBC
Tu 7/22 Ahmad Rashad with John Larroquette (R 5/29/97)
We 7/23 Ahmad Rashad with Wilt Chamberlain (R 5/26/97)
Th 7/24 Ahmad Rashad with Phil Hartman (R 5/12/97)
CHARLIE ROSE, PBS
Tu 7/22 Harrison Ford, Lawrence Eagleburger, Henry Kissinger
We 7/23 John Turturro, Walter Dellinger
Th 7/24 Naomi Wolf, Samuel L. Jackson
Fr 7/25 Puffy Coombs
POLITICALLY INCORRECT WITH BILL MAHER, ABC
Tu 7/22 Steve Oedekerk, Peter Bart, Liza Minnelli, Thad Mumford
We 7/23 Belinda Carlisle, Stanley Crouch, Robert Wuhl, Tavis Smiley
Th 7/24 Lynn Redgrave, Louie Anderson, Laura San Giacomo, Richard
Brookheiser (R 3/10/97)
Fr 7/25 Louie Anderson, Jim "Soni'' Sonefeld, Nadine Strossen, Cary Savitch,
M.D.
SPACE GHOST COAST TO COAST, Cartoon Network
Fr 7/25 Bob Odenkirk and David Cross * premiere *
Fr 8/1 Beck * premiere *
Fr 8/8 Judy Tenuta and Bobcat Goldthwait * premiere *
Ghost Planet regulars probably know this already, but this season
will feature 26 new episodes of Spacey and company.
DENNIS MILLER LIVE, HBO
Fr 7/25 Jeff Greenfield on "Violence in The Media"
Fr 8/1 TBA
Fr 8/8 Damon Wayans (topic TBA; last new episode of season)
HOWARD STERN, E!
Tu 7/22 Sean Young, Pt. 1, Howard's Birthday '96, Pt. 2
We 7/23 Sean Young, Pt. 2, Howard's Birthday '96, Pt. 3
Th 7/24 Siskel & Ebert "Questions," Howard's Birthday '96, Pt. 4
Fr 7/25 Lesbian Strippers Turned Away, Howard's Birthday '96, Pt. 5
Sa 7/26 Sandra Bernhard & Models, Pts. 1 and 2
DIE HARALD SCHMIDT SHOW, SAT.1
Mi 23/7 Montserrat Caballe, Manfred Wolke
Do 24/7 Hermes Phettberg, Peter Neururer
Fr 25/7 Gerd Rubenbauer, Sabrina Setlur
Di 29/7 Georg Uecker
Also on late nights:
NIGHTLINE, ABC
CHARLES GRODIN, CNBC
CARSON'S COMEDY CLASSICS, Family Channel
MAD TV, Fox
SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE, NBC (this season) and Comedy Central (classics)
THE RUPAUL SHOW, VH1
LOVELINE, MTV
ODDVILLE MTV, MTV
WORLD NEWS NOW, ABC
UP TO THE MINUTE, CBS
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