From: Hoodoo  <hoodoo@newnorth.net>
Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 6:30pm
Subject: Re: Sunday New York Times article

From: <tomalhe@a...>

> I'd submit the networks assume they're the only one you watch, so if they run
> an announcement of NOW ON during any of their other shows, you'll catch it.

With the transformation of the irritating network-identification-logo-"bugs"
into the even more intrusive and overly irritating program-preview-"bugs" that
overlap a higher percentage of a television viewing screen, who is going to need
a programming guide in the future? All you'll have to do is to try to find the
actual program you intended to watch beneath all the self-aggrandizing "bugs"
and "preview-bugs".

Bill

From: Bob Woerner  <beachterp@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 8:49pm
Subject: Re: Sunday New York Times article

If anyone is keeping score at home, can anyone go over who exactly has left the cast of SNL for the upcoming season.  I won't ask who is new, because I'm sure at this point they are no-names.


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To: tvbarn2@egroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [tvbarn2] Sunday New York Times article


> No one here has mentioned yet that Cheri Oteri is leaving SNL. No more
>  Judge Judy and Barbara Walters! 

Well, she's letting her contract lapse... virtualy anyone who started in the 
new cheerleader-roxbury-mary catherine-"i-keep-it!" era, can leave having put 
in 5 years of servitude. Seeing Tim and Colin leave should hopefully impact 
the show more.







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From: thumbsup3@aol.com
Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 5:55pm
Subject: Re: Sunday New York Times article

In a message dated 8/12/00 9:52:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
beachterp@y... writes:

<< If anyone is keeping score at home, can anyone go over who exactly has 
left the cast of SNL for the upcoming season.  I won't ask who is new, 
because I'm sure at this point they are no-names. >>

By my count, the players leaving this year are Tim Meadows, Colin Quinn and 
Cheri Oteri. 

With Quinn leaving, any guesses on who will take over Weekend Update? Of the 
existing cast members, I'd have to put my money on Chris Parnell since he's 
the most "straight man" of the group. That's assuming, of course, they stay 
with a male anchor.

Christine

From: Laurel Krahn  <laurel@windowseat.org>
Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 10:31pm
Subject: Re: Sunday New York Times article

On 8/12/00 at 5:32 PM James Porteous wrote:

>What I don't understand is how the hell does anyone know that the show has 
>been moved to 10.00 on Thursday? You might know it has been moved (when you 
>tune in on Tuesday and it is not on) but if a viewer cannot find a show, 
>how can they be expected to watch a show? Many times the change might take 
>place late in the previous week, so it is not even reflected in the TV 
>listings.

In my dreams, everyone knows 'cuz they read my TV Picks webpage.
 
But that is but a dream!
 
And yeah, I share your frustration.
 
There are tv die-hards who read a fair bit re TV online at places like TV Barn and TV Tattle and Ultimate TV and lord knows where else.  Who check teh listings online which are sometimes updated to reflect late changes.
 
And of course people with replaytv and Tivo boxes should get updated listings so their box will grab the shows they like.
 
Some shows moves are trumpeted so often in network promos they're hard to miss (unless you're like me and you fast forward through all things that resemble commercials).  
 
What galls me though is when ABC decides at the very last minute to replace Sports Night with a rerun of Drew Carey (for instance).  Often it's last minute enough that online and offline schedules don't reflect it.  And there are no actual promotions on the network about it.  And they don't even give you a message a la "Sports Night will return in 3 weeks" or whatever.
 
In the case of Sports Night, I had to poke around online to find a story about ABC yanking it due to bad ratings and dig a lot farther to find out when it'd return and then ABC changed their mind . . . 
 
This isn't *that* common, but it's not exactly unusual either.
 
And it usually seems like it happens with shows who are popular with critics, but ratings-challenged.  How do they build ratings if no one knows when they're on?
 
Oh, well.

--
Laurel Krahn (laurel@w...) http://www.windowseat.org/
http://www.tvpicks.net/ - updated almost daily since Dec 1998

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 4:05pm
Subject: The Gay Brother...

Since the Big Brother housemates themselves admitted that CBS probbaly cast a 
"gay character"... I think they may still be right... early speculation was 
on the house himbo Josh but I think there's still someone who's not revealing 
themselves that much (granted I may have missed an ep or two) ... but the 
person is revealing few relationships outside the house except their 
mother... Cassandra....

From: Steve Rhodes  <srhodes@well.com>
Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 8:18pm
Subject: Re: The Gay Brother...

I think you're wrong.  She has reluctantly talked about relationships
with guys and what she likes in a guy.  And she is reluctant to talk
about relationships because he is private, not because she is hiding
anything.

--------------------------------------------------------------
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http://www.well.com/~srhodes

Tiger Beat weblog on media, culture & politics (updated daily)
http://www.well.com/~srhodes/blogger.html

From: Sue Trowbridge  <trow@slip.net>
Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 8:53pm
Subject: Re: The Gay Brother...

On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 tomalhe@a... wrote:

> Since the Big Brother housemates themselves admitted that CBS probbaly
> cast a "gay character"... I think they may still be right... early
> speculation was on the house himbo Josh but I think there's still
> someone who's not revealing themselves that much (granted I may have
> missed an ep or two) ... but the person is revealing few relationships
> outside the house except their mother... Cassandra....

I disagree that there is a "gay character." I don't think there is one,
for the simple reason that if 1 out of the relatively small group of 10 is
gay, that means less chance of hanky panky. And we all know that's what
CBS really wanted -- to be able to show us some of that "moving lump
underneath the sheets" action. It would make much more sense to cast 1 or
2 bi characters.

I must say that I have a lot of respect for Cassandra and Curtis -- you
can really tell a lot about a person by the way they react after they have
been nominated for banishment, and both of them have shown a lot of class
and maturity. Unlike, say, KAREN. I resolved from the start that I wasn't
gonna spend any money on that show, but if anyone could tempt me to part
with 99 cents, it would be her.

--Sue T.

From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 10:01pm
Subject: Re: The Gay Brother...

So are people actually WATCHING this show? Replay is faithfully 
recording it for me (good boy), but I can't bring myself to look at 
the episodes ...


--- In tvbarn2@egroups.com, Sue Trowbridge <trow@s...> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 tomalhe@a... wrote:
> 
> > Since the Big Brother housemates themselves admitted that 
CBS probbaly
> > cast a "gay character"... I think they may still be right... early
> > speculation was on the house himbo Josh but I think there's 
still
> > someone who's not revealing themselves that much 
(granted I may have
> > missed an ep or two) ... but the person is revealing few 
relationships
> > outside the house except their mother... Cassandra....
> 
> I disagree that there is a "gay character." I don't think there is 
one,
> for the simple reason that if 1 out of the relatively small group 
of 10 is
> gay, that means less chance of hanky panky. And we all know 
that's what
> CBS really wanted -- to be able to show us some of that 
"moving lump
> underneath the sheets" action. It would make much more 
sense to cast 1 or
> 2 bi characters.
> 
> I must say that I have a lot of respect for Cassandra and Curtis 
-- you
> can really tell a lot about a person by the way they react after 
they have
> been nominated for banishment, and both of them have shown 
a lot of class
> and maturity. Unlike, say, KAREN. I resolved from the start that I 
wasn't
> gonna spend any money on that show, but if anyone could 
tempt me to part
> with 99 cents, it would be her.
> 
> --Sue T.

From: Laurel Krahn  <laurel@windowseat.org>
Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 10:57pm
Subject: Re: Re: The Gay Brother...

On 8/14/00 at 3:01 AM Aaron Barnhart wrote:

>So are people actually WATCHING this show? Replay is faithfully 
>recording it for me (good boy), but I can't bring myself to look at 
>the episodes ...

I wasn't going to watch it, except maybe once just to check it out.  But I got hooked on Martha Soukup's accounts of what was happening on the Big Brother feeds in the big brother topic in the TV conference on The Well (www.well.com).  And then I started checking the feeds.  And now I find myself transcribing stuff from the feeds and watching (even taping sometimes!) the show.
 
The shows are still bad, they're only interesting to me when they show stuff that I missed (didn't see on the feeds or read other folks accounts of).  And it's interesting to see how CBS edits stuff . . . really really interesting.
 
I really like the people in the house, some more than others, of course.  And they can be truly hilarious and entertaining yet somehow CBS never airs the best bits (IMHO) on the TV show.  D'oh.  They keep trying to show conflict between the houseguests.  And CBS is sometimes darn cruel to the guests. 
 
So basically I'm rooting for them *against* CBS, not really against each other.

(Though this week I do hope Karen is banished . . . )

I can't imagine CBS ever imagined this group of people woudl get along this well!

(That, to me, is the story.  Were I editing the show I'd show more of the fun moments and not show tiresome music montages trying to show that someone up for banishment is sad, for instance).


Laurel Krahn (laurel@w...) www.windowseat.org
Dave:  "I think you're jumping to conclusions."
Bill:  "Dave, I stand still, the conclusions jump to me."
 [from NewsRadio -- now airing in syndication]

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 8:13pm
Subject: Grodin gets all tingle-y

USA TODAY sez Charles Grodin has a new gig: He'll replace Jimmy Tingle as the 
commentator on 60 Minutes II this fall.

Proving he'll do anything rather than work with a Saint Bernard ever again...

From: Sue Trowbridge  <trow@slip.net>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 0:23am
Subject: Re: Re: The Gay Brother / Jimmy Tingle

On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Aaron Barnhart wrote:

> So are people actually WATCHING this show? Replay is faithfully 
> recording it for me (good boy), but I can't bring myself to look at 
> the episodes ...

I don't watch it very often -- usually no more than once a week. I've
tried unsuccessfully to get hooked on it because I know I'm going to go
through big time "Survivor" withdrawal later this month :) However, I
never miss the "Salon" BB summaries, so I feel I have a pretty good grasp
of what's going on. And I do sometimes watch the live feed during the day.

As for Jimmy Tingle, I wonder if CBS is giving him the boot or if he's
leaving 60M2 voluntarily? I've only seen a few of his commentaries, but he
always seemed fairly uncomfortable in the format. I remember one where he
was delivering his remarks while walking down a street, and it struck me
that his hand gestures seemed scripted.

--Sue T.

From: Paul Stephen  <pstephen@escape.ca>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 2:56am
Subject: Re: Re: The Gay Brother...

Laurel Krahn wrote:

>... And it's interesting to see how CBS edits stuff . . . really
> really interesting.

Yeah... they should all get together and give themselves
pseudonyms relating to ABC and NBC shows.

"Hey 'Millionaire', how's it going?"
"Not bad, 'Drew'. Where's 'Norm'?"
"Oh he's out in the yard playing with 'Sabrina'."

Of course then "Big Brother" would come over the intercom
and say, "No more of this jive talking or I'll cut your
food budget in half!"

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 11:31pm
Subject: Re: Re: The Gay Brother / Jimmy Tingle

>  As for Jimmy Tingle, I wonder if CBS is giving him the boot or if he's
>  leaving 60M2 voluntarily? I've only seen a few of his commentaries, but he
>  always seemed fairly uncomfortable in the format. 

This is the 60 Minutes label. Viewers want a crochety old guy. 

Oh, and it's fun how these circles complete... the guy they said they 
initially wanted  for the 60II commentary spot?

                           DENNIS MILLER.

From: Michael Jones  <spikej555@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 9:01am
Subject: Re: Re: The Gay Brother / Jimmy Tingle

<This is the 60 Minutes label. Viewers want a crochety old guy. .. the guy they said they initially wanted  for the 60II commentary spot?    DENNIS MILLER.>
Dennis is too crotchety for the spot IMO.
And if he ever did get the role, how long into his first commentary would the word penis emerge?


Michael

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: tomalhe@a... 
  To: tvbarn2@egroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 1:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [tvbarn2] Re: The Gay Brother / Jimmy Tingle


  >  As for Jimmy Tingle, I wonder if CBS is giving him the boot or if he's
  >  leaving 60M2 voluntarily? I've only seen a few of his commentaries, but he
  >  always seemed fairly uncomfortable in the format. 

  This is the 60 Minutes label. Viewers want a crochety old guy. 

  Oh, and it's fun how these circles complete... the guy they said they 
  initially wanted  for the 60II commentary spot?

                             DENNIS MILLER.

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From: Toonces Cat  <tooncestdc@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 9:23am
Subject: Re: Re: The Gay Brother...

--- Paul Stephen <pstephen@e...> wrote:
> Laurel Krahn wrote:
> 
> >... And it's interesting to see how CBS edits stuff
> . . . really
> > really interesting.
> 
> Yeah... they should all get together and give
> themselves
> pseudonyms relating to ABC and NBC shows.
> 
> "Hey 'Millionaire', how's it going?"
> "Not bad, 'Drew'. Where's 'Norm'?"
> "Oh he's out in the yard playing with 'Sabrina'."
> 
> Of course then "Big Brother" would come over the
> intercom
> and say, "No more of this jive talking or I'll cut
> your
> food budget in half!"
> 
> 
Actually, they kinda tried something similar already. 
Jamie came up with a system that identified who they
were talking about with playing cards referring to
their microphone numbers.  BB put the kibosh on that. 
Other times the houseguests tried to rebel, they were
reined in.  Basically, compliance with Big Brother is
a condition of the contract.

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From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 10:50am
Subject: Re: Sunday New York Times article

My rejoinder to Michael Lewis is up on the TV Barn Web site 
today. The permanent link is

http://www.tvbarn.com/081400.html

--- In tvbarn2@egroups.com, Sue Trowbridge <trow@s...> wrote:
> 
> Interesting article on the future of TV in tomorrow's NY Times 
Magazine:
> 
http://www.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/20000813mag-b
oombox.html
> (Free, but requires registration to read.)
> 
> No one here has mentioned yet that Cheri Oteri is leaving SNL. 
No more
> Judge Judy and Barbara Walters! 
> 
> --Sue T.

From: Laurel Krahn  <laurel@windowseat.org>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 1:05pm
Subject: Re: Re: The Gay Brother / Jimmy Tingle

On 8/14/00 12:23 AM, Sue Trowbridge at trow@s... wrote:

> I don't watch it very often -- usually no more than once a week. I've
> tried unsuccessfully to get hooked on it because I know I'm going to go
> through big time "Survivor" withdrawal later this month :) However, I
> never miss the "Salon" BB summaries, so I feel I have a pretty good grasp
> of what's going on. And I do sometimes watch the live feed during the day.

For what it's worth, the salon summaries are hit and miss, sometimes they're
pretty inaccurate.  Or at least some of the early ones were and I soon gave
up on them.  I hope they're better now, but I'm afraid to look.

I'm surprised that there hasn't been better media coverage of BB,
comparisons between what happens on the feeds and how it's edited for the
shows, for instance.
 
Most of the articles I've read, even from folks whose work I generally like,
have been pretty sloppy.  I mean, they probably read fine to folks who
aren't watching, but it's irksome to those that watch to see so many pieces
that get things wrong!
 
(And then I realize I'm getting worked up over a manipulative show . . . and
try to calm down).
 
If I run across any more glaring examples, I might post one to give you some
idea.

-- 
Laurel Krahn (laurel@w...) www.windowseat.org
"...Now available in vanilla nut flavor.  So for a tasty treat that good to
eat, try Soylent Green.  Soylent Green is people. Soylent Green: Made
from the best stuff on Earth... People!" - from _NewsRadio_

From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 10:00pm
Subject: Re: The Gay Brother / Jimmy Tingle

Tingle was, in fact, replaced. He had a year and a half to get 
people to stop saying "Jimmy who?" and failed.

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 6:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: The Gay Brother / Jimmy Tingle

> Tingle was, in fact, replaced. He had a year and a half to get 
>  people to stop saying "Jimmy who?" and failed.

I don't think my mother even learned "Jimmy." I told her Tingle was being 
replaced by Grody and she thought Andy Rooney was the only commentator on 
either show.

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 8:50pm
Subject: American Low (ratings)

the Hollywood Reporter sez... 

Last bell rings for 'American High' on Fox
Fox Broadcasting Co. has pulled the reality series "American High" from 
its summer schedule after four airings. The 13-part series chronicling a 
year in the life of students at a suburban Chicago high school averaged 
about 3.5 million viewers over two half-hour episodes that ran last week 
in the Wednesday 9-10 p.m. time slot. "American High" executive producer 
R.J. Cutler said Monday that he was hopeful the show would soon find a 
new home on another network. Fox's FX cable channel would be a logical 
option for the 20th Century Fox TV-produced show. "We just didn't get a 
large enough group of people watching the show, but the numbers we did 
get stayed very constant," Cutler said. "Our Web site is incredibly 
popular. There's no question we will be back to finish telling the 
stories of this remarkable group of kids." Fox will replace "American 
High" this week with back-to-back episodes of the animated comedy 
"Futurama."

From: julesalix@aol.com
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 10:16pm
Subject: BB

Laurel Krahn wrote:
"I'm surprised that there hasn't been better media coverage of BB, comparisons between what happens on the feeds and how it's edited for the shows, for instance."

There is an interesting article about this in the LA Daily News: http://www.dailynews.com/archives/2000/08/06/lif03.asp

Juliana

From: James Porteous  <porteous@interlog.com>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 7:42am
Subject: Twitch City

Another popular Canadian TV show is set to air in the US. Don McKellar's 
Twitch City, originally run on CBC, will air on Bravo two times a week at 
10.00 PM, starting this Wednesday. Bravo will run the entire first season, 
consisting of 13 episodes.

McKellar is a writer of such films as Highway 61 (1991)  and Roadkill 
(1989), director of Last Night (1998) and actor in eXistenZ (1999), Joe's 
So Mean to Josephine (1996) and others.

James
-----------------------------------------------------
Click here for Free Video!!
http://www.gohip.com/free_video/

From: Steve Rhodes  <srhodes@well.com>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 0:27pm
Subject: Lieberman v. Hollywood on news hour

*******************************************
*  MEDIA WATCH ALERT
*  An E-mail Service of The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer
*  and the Online NewsHour
*******************************************
August 15, 2000

*LIEBERMAN VS. HOLLYWOOD

Long before he took the number two spot on Al Gore's Democratic ticket,
Connecticut Senator Joseph Lieberman was at the forefront of another
campaign -- a Washington-led movement against portrayals of sex and
violence in popular entertainment. And even though he began his bid for
the vice presidency this month, Lieberman has made it clear that his
personal battles won't be left behind.

Media correspondent Terence Smith examines Lieberman's campaign against
Hollywood's racier material and whether the senator's fight will mean
decreased support for Democrats from the entertainment industry.

From: Bob Woerner  <beachterp@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 3:04pm
Subject: TiVO & Nielsen

Tivo & ReplayTV were a topic of conversation recently.  Found this 
news story on Tivo...

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/archive/20000815/news/current/tivo.htx?sour
ce=htx/http2_mw&dist=send

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 11:20am
Subject: Re: Twitch City

>  Twitch City, originally run on CBC, will air on Bravo 

Attention Bravo executives... R.J. Cutler has (the remains) of a show for you 
to pick up to air on "Counter Culture Wednesdays"...

From: Paul Stephen  <pstephen@escape.ca>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 5:34pm
Subject: Dave Letterman's Scholarships?

Nobody has commented on those "scholarships" he supposedly awarded on
last Thurday's show.

Is he really going to put two young people through college?

Paul

From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Wed Aug 16, 2000 7:25am
Subject: You've got to be kidding

The only reason they're doing this is the theme song ...


COL ROLLS NEW 'SWAT' TEAM

Snyder to helm $40 mil big screen version of show

By MICHAEL FLEMING,  CLAUDE BRODESSER

Hoping to mobilize a screen version of the '70s TV series "SWAT" for 
an early 2001 start, Columbia Pictures has hired commercials director 
Zack Snyder and is negotiating with screenwriter Craig Fernandez to 
complete the shooting script for a film the studio hopes will be a 
youth-themed actioner.

The project, originally conceived as a big-budget vehicle for Arnold 
Schwarzenegger, has stagnated at the studio for years. The pic had 
gone as far as pre-production under commercials helmer Marcus Nispel 
at TriStar.

Budget, strike eyed

Columbia is understood to be revamping its take: It is hoping to make 
a high-octane action drama for a reasonable $40 million, (utilizing 
what is at present a deep pool of young, affordable actors). It is 
also aiming to have product in the pipeline in the event of expected 
Writers Guild and Screen Actors Guild strikes in the spring and 
summer of 2001.

The "SWAT" revival comes after a flurry of recent production deal 
activity at Col, including negotiations to hire Dean Parisot to helm 
the comedy "The Scared Guys," as well as greenlighting of the David 
Fincher-directed "The Panic Room" and the Sam Raimi-directed 
"Spider-Man."

Hot team

While Snyder is making his feature directing debut, he has worked 
with some of the top movie stars in the business. He has directed 
Harrison Ford, Robert De Niro and Catherine Zeta-Jones in European 
commercials, and he has made flashy ads for Nike, Budweiser, Jeep and 
other major U.S. brands. Screenwriter Fernandez generated strong buzz 
with his script "El Phantasma."

While Columbia might employ some elements of previous "SWAT" drafts 
written by Chris Morgan and the writing team of Ron Mita and Jim 
McClain, most of the pic will be a new take by Snyder and Fernandez.

The film is being produced by Oliver Stone, Chris Lee and Dan 
Halsted; Col exec VP of production Amy Baer and creative exec Shannon 
Gaulding are steering the project.

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From: Laurel Krahn  <laurel@windowseat.org>
Date: Wed Aug 16, 2000 11:34am
Subject: Big Brother

Last night's episode of Big Brother was the most misleading yet.
 
For instance:
They showed footage of a roast the houseguests did of the three who're up
for banishment.  
 
I hate how BB always shows games and discussions as if they spontaneously
happened, when actually BB insisted they talk about a certain topic or play
a certain game (water basketball in last night's episode, for instance).
 
But as for the roast . . . CBS did actually air some of the rather offensive
jokes made about houseguests.  Including the one where Eddie refers to three
of the women as bitches.
 
What CBS left out?  The fact that Big Brother wrote those jokes, the jokes
were not made up by the houseguests.  In fact, the houseguests were mad
about the jokes from the last roast BB had them do, this time the jokes went
even further.  
 
Which prompted Britt to cry and Jamie and Cassandra and others to be really
mad.
 
And of course they all realized that CBS will edit events so it looks they
were saying these things about each other, when it was BB putting words in
their mouth.  When they're left to their own devices, they tend to say nice
things about each other, only teasing gently.
 
And the events of that night prompted talk of a walkout by the houseguests.
And prompted Cassandra to ask BB for paper and a pencil to write up some
kindof statement.  Prompted the guests to go over the handbook and contracts
in detail.  Prompted a *lot* of worry about how CBS was editing them (and
good that they're worried, given how CBS has edited them).  Cassandra's
still asking the folks in the Red Room if she could talk to one of the
producers.
 
Will be interesting to see if the guests try anything on the live show
tonight, but I suspect they're all upset enough about one of them leaving,
that they won't get into the other stuff.
 
--
Laurel Krahn (laurel@w...) www.windowseat.org / www.tvpicks.net

From: Paul Stephen  <pstephen@escape.ca>
Date: Wed Aug 16, 2000 1:54pm
Subject: Re: Big Brother

> I hate how BB always shows games and discussions as if they spontaneously
> happened, when actually BB insisted they talk about a certain topic or play
> a certain game (water basketball in last night's episode, for instance).

Most illuminating, Laurel!

I always wondered if the "material" these people came up with was supplied
by "BB"...

I think viewers should DEMAND that CBS refrain from such nonsense.

I once had Les Moonves' email address... anybody out there got it?

Paul

From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Wed Aug 16, 2000 8:08pm
Subject: Das Bloat

>Tuesday August 15 5:25 AM ET
>Overweight Germans targeted for ``Big Diet''
>
>By Liza Foreman
>
>BERLIN (Variety) - ``Big Diet,'' a game show in which 10 overweight Germans
>will vie to lose the most pounds in a ``golden cage'' full of temptations, is
>the latest entry in the red hot reality TV race.
>
>Hundreds of people have already registered for the series, which is being
>developed for Berlin-based commercial network Sat.1 by Endemol Entertainment,
>the Dutch production company behind ``Big Brother.''
>
>The ``Big Diet'' contestants will be locked up for 100 days in a deluxe
>wellness center turned living quarters, complete with swimming pool, fitness
>center, personal trainers -- and a wealth of temptations.
>
>The producers are considering ways to make the task of losing those extra
>pounds more difficult. Possibilities here include leaving out cakes on the
>tables, building a gourmet restaurant into the complex or even taking
>participants out to eateries in town.
>
>Making it even tougher to walk off with the prize -- bars of gold equivalent
>to amount of weight lost -- will be the job of pleasing audiences. Every two
>weeks, viewers can vote out one participant.
>
>Two separate contests for men and women are being considered since the two
>sexes lose weight at varying speeds.
>
>The show is due to broadcast daily next spring -- the ``high season,''
>according to a Sat.1 spokesperson, for Germans trying to lose weight.
>
>``We are looking at one of the best wellness and fitness centers in
>Germany,'' he enthused.
>
>Reuters/Variety REUTERS

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Wed Aug 16, 2000 10:33pm
Subject: Just cancel me!

NBC has pulled the plug on the David Spade-produced animated comedy after 
just two weeks. The show was a ratings disaster, averaging a 2.6 rating/11 
share in homes and an even more abysmal 1.6 rating among adults 18-49 in its 
8:30 p.m. Tuesday slot.

[Hmmm... Clerks, American High, Sammy... anyone got a pool going on Baby 
Blues?]

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Wed Aug 16, 2000 10:58pm
Subject: maybe survivorsucks.com was right

[They're actually trying to make us hate Survivor... -- Tom (And yes these 
will be the *hilights* of a truly cringeworthy Variety story.)]

Bryant Gumbel will host next week's LIVE LIVE LIVE "Survivor: The Reunion" 
town hall meeting.  "All 16 former castaways including 'wacky Greg' are 
scheduled to attend." (I assume they're referring to his decision to snub 
Gumbel and Letterman, not his love of coconut-phone and/or Coleen.)

It's LIVE LIVE LIVE from Television City in front of a LIVE LIVE LIVE studio 
audience who will have just watched the show, along with the "final four." 
(And we'll get to see footage of Richard tearing up, etc.) 

CBS (and likely the Washington Post) plan to do "a quickie scientific poll" 
of US reaction to be conducted and shown LIVE LIVE LIVE at the end of the 
reunion show.

Probst won't be there, as he'll be filing a report from the set of "S: II - 
Australia." [That's right, "file a report." Guess he and Julie Chen have now 
officially traded credibility."

If you missed Survivor hour 3, the final four have to chat with Gumbel LIVE 
LIVE LIVE on the Early show

On Wednesday's "Early Show," highlights from episodes 1-12 will be turned 
into a live video for, Gloria Gaynor.

From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 10:55am
Subject: Fwd: 'Survivor' Party Tips

>The final episode of 'Survivor' next Wednesday will give people across
>the country a good reason to throw a summer party! GreatEntertaining.com
>has compiled a list of tips, decorations and activities that can turn
>anyone's backyard or living room into a tropical paradise.
>
>Carleen LeVasseur
>Krause Taylor Assoc.
>============================
>TIPS TO SURVIVE YOUR ‘SURVIVOR’ PARTY FROM GREATENTERTAINING.COM
>
>SAN FRANCISCO—August 17, 2000—With more than 40 million people expected
>to tune in to next week’s final installment of CBS’s ‘Survivor’ program,
>why watch TV alone?
>It’s a great excuse for a party! GreatEntertaining.com, an online
>marketplace for entertaining trends, ideas and party supplies, has
>prepared some easy tips and ideas that can turn
>your backyard or living room into the island of Pulau Tiga.
>
>“Summer entertaining is easy and fun, and with a special event like the
>final episode of Survivor coming up, what better excuse could there be
>for getting friends and family
>together,” said Tanya Roberts, founder and CEO of Great Entertaining,
>Inc. “With just a little planning, and a few tropical touches, you’ll be
>ready to relax and share the island
>experience with your guests.”
>
>GreatEntertaining.com's resident entertaining expert, 'The Party Guy,'
>offers these tips to make your Survivor party as memorable as the last
>TV episode:
>
>Invitations
>· S.O.S Invitations. Send invitations out on scraps of paper in clear
>plastic bottles. Slap on address labels and deliver them as is.
>
>Decorations
>· Tiki torches, green plants, palm fronds, driftwood, rubber snakes and
>plastic bugs. Don't forget a blow-up pool (perfect for holding ice and
>cold drinks!)
>
>Food & Drinks
>· Rats (actually, chicken wings) labeled: "It only tastes like chicken,”
>and grilled fish.
>· Rice (and lots of it!)
>· Tropical fruits (e.g. papaya, mango, pineapple, coconut)
>· Coconut Lime Rickeys or Piña Coladas (served in hollowed-out
>coconuts), or Mudslides, a blend of Kahlua, vodka, Irish cream and milk
>(in honor of the mud volcano).
>
>Games & Activities
>· The Ultimate Survivor Contest. During commercial breaks, play short
>games to determine which of your guests will be the Ultimate Survivor.
>After each contest, ‘banish’ the
>losers from the island (but not the party). Continue playing games
>until, by the end of the show, only two players remain. At that point,
>all the banished people vote on who is the
>one true Survivor. The big winner of the night gets a lottery ticket
>(potentially worth a million bucks).
>
>· Name Game. Print out pictures of all the Survivors from the CBS.com
>Website, white-out their names and make a copy for each guest. Have
>guests fill in the first names off all the
>Survivors. Those who don't get them all right are banished.
>
>· B.B.'s Chopstick Contest. A rice-eating race with chopsticks out of a
>hollowed-out coconut bowl.
>
>· Slingshot Contest. Use rubber bands to knock empty soda or beer cans
>off of the coffee table. The sharpshooters win.
>
>· Stacey's Bug-eating Contest. Conceal slimy foods in paper bags, dim
>the lights and have a race to eat them (no peeking). Last ones to finish
>lose immunity. Food suggestions:
>Deviled eggs in slippery mustard sauce, licorice worms, cooked spinach,
>peeled grapes, Gummi spiders, brown rice ‘maggots,’ or cold spaghetti
>‘worms.’
>
>· The ‘Who-Needs-Richard’ Fishing Contest. In the blow-up pool, put
>plastic eggs with magnets in them and let your guests fish with your own
>version of Sean's ‘Super Pole
>2000’ (with another magnet where the hook should be). In each egg, put a
>message, such as ‘The Tribe has spoken’ or ‘Reward Challenge Winner.’
>
>· 'Cool'-leen's Tangled Webs. Give each Survivor ten wire hangers and
>have them each mix them together into an ungainly mess. Then, have them
>swap with the other Survivors
>and race to untangle them. Last ones to finish lose.
>
>· Survivor Trivia. Make up fifteen Survivor trivia questions and have an
>island-style multiple choice game, with contestants using children's
>letter blocks to show their answers.
>The ones who miss the most answers get voted off.
>
>About Great Entertaining
>San Francisco-based Great Entertaining.com is an online marketplace for
>entertaining trends, ideas and party supplies. It offers one of the
>widest selections of party goods, unique gifts, entertaining ideas and
>enduring entertaining products found anywhere.
>
>-30-

From: Steve Rhodes  <srhodes@well.com>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 2:27pm
Subject: comedy & politics

I agree w/aaron's piece today.  I didn't see the bush sniper bit, but I did
see the two Maher jokes (one on larry king, the other on PI) and they were
what you expect from him.

 And Rush airs scathing "comedy" bits on clinton all the time.  It is only
when he really goes over the line like on the tv show when he talked about
chelsea and showed a picture of the dog that there is criticism.  Most of
the criticism is about his distortions, not his attempts at comedy.

 there is far more criticism of Imus' comedy bits because they have been
racist.

 the news hour is doing a segment tonight:

*******************************************
*  MEDIA WATCH ALERT
*  An E-mail Service of The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer
*  and the Online NewsHour
*******************************************
August 17, 2000

*LATE NIGHT NEWS?

Politics has long provided grist for the late night comedy mill, but
political comedy is a bumper crop this election year. And while shows
like Bill Mahr's "Politically Incorrect" on ABC and Comedy Central's
"The Daily Show with Jon Stewart" are enjoying comedic success, a recent
study shows they're also places where some go to get serious information
on candidates and issues.

What's behind this trend of comedy-as-information? Tonight, media
correspondent Terence Smith talks with Mahr, Stewart and others who say
comedy can serve a serious purpose.

Check local listings for broadcast times of the NewsHour with Jim Lehrer

or go to http://www.pbs.org/stations/ for the PBS station in your area.

Visit http://www.pbs.org/newshour/media after 9 pm Eastern time for more

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 10:33am
Subject: Re: comedy & politics

>  And Rush airs scathing "comedy" bits on clinton all the time.  It is only
>  when he really goes over the line like on the tv show when he talked about
>  chelsea and showed a picture of the dog that there is criticism. 


Says Rush of the incident : "It’s not my fault! I was telling an innocent 
story about a White House dog, when an unnamed staffer put Chelsea’s picture 
on the screen against my will!" 

Of course, since his TV show wasn't live, he could've stopped tape, and not 
broadcast an "unintended joke."

From: Oliver Willis  <owillis@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 4:17pm
Subject: Re: Just cancel me!

What stinks is that all animated shows get labeled as
crappy, when these particular _shows_ are bad...

--- tomalhe@a... wrote:
> NBC has pulled the plug on the David Spade-produced
> animated comedy after 
> just two weeks. The show was a ratings disaster,
> averaging a 2.6 rating/11 
> share in homes and an even more abysmal 1.6 rating
> among adults 18-49 in its 
> 8:30 p.m. Tuesday slot.
> 
> [Hmmm... Clerks, American High, Sammy... anyone got
> a pool going on Baby 
> Blues?]
> 


=====
Oliver Willis
Information Architect
Hitplay Media: Targeted Video Advertising
http://www.hitplay.com
owillis@y...

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From: Mark Jeffries  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 4:26pm
Subject: Re[2]: Just cancel me!

>What stinks is that all animated shows get labeled as >crappy, when these particular _shows_ are bad... Even more, networks like NBC think that a show like "Sammy" will win in demos because, after all, "only old farts are watching Regis now." Not exactly. Of course, this is the network that thought that "Millionaire" would go away simply by having a show that gave out $100,000 for someone knowing their name. And this could be the network that might let a bunch of people from Holland have the kind of creative control Dick Wolf or John Wells could only dream of for "Chains of Love." You can see how that near-total creative control is making "Big Brother" the television sensation of the summer. :) Just wait until another animated series takes off for Fox--then everyone else will imitate... Mark Jeffries mjeffries@k... mjsaints@a...

From: Mark Jeffries  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 5:44pm
Subject: Re: maybe survivorsucks.com was right

>CBS (and likely the Washington Post) plan to do "a quickie scientific poll" >of US reaction to be conducted and shown LIVE LIVE LIVE at the end of the >reunion show. Not the Post--they're a content partner with MSNBC now. Probably AOL, unless Viacom buys a paper in the next week. Mark Jeffries mjeffries@k... mjsaints@a...

From: trow@slip.net
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 7:38pm
Subject: Lots more Big Brother on the way?

Since bigbrother2000.com is the place to go for live feeds and 
officially sanctioned news about "Big Brother," during an idle 
moment, I decided to check and see if CBS had bothered registering 
other "Big Brother" domains. Yes indeed, they own bigbrother2001.com, 
as well as the next 4 years. Then various other registrants have 
claimed bigbrother2006.com through bigbrother2011.com. But 
bigbrother2012.com is totally up for grabs!

I sincerely hope that if we are facing many more years of "Big 
Brother," CBS will manage to come up with some more interesting 
challenges. (The pie eating contest managed to be both gross AND 
dull.) Though the show may get a LOT more intriguing if the 
houseguests really do find a way to band together and turn on "Big 
Brother" for making them do things like the phony, scripted "roasts."

--Sue T.

From: Mark Jeffries  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 4:47pm
Subject: Re: Lots more Big Brother on the way?

>I sincerely hope that if we are facing many more years of "Big >Brother," CBS will manage to come up with some more interesting >challenges. (The pie eating contest managed to be both gross AND >dull.) Though the show may get a LOT more intriguing if the >houseguests really do find a way to band together and turn on "Big >Brother" for making them do things like the phony, scripted "roasts." The thing that should be noted here is that CBS isn't calling the shots when it comes to "Big Brother." Endemol demanded complete creative control over the show (per the Brill's Content article on the show) and CBS gave it to them (in exchange for probably agreeing to use AOL and Julie Chen). Even though Endemol should be learning their lesson right now, they're making the same demands with NBC over "Chains of Love" and negotiations are at a stalemate right now--one article I saw said that the creative control demands, according to NBC, were "more than we'd allow on anyone" (even Dick Wolf or John Wells, I would assume). Considering the ratings and the ill will CBS is getting, I would think that there would be some changes made if the network agreed to a second "Big Brother." Mark Jeffries mjeffries@k... mjsaints@a...

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 2:18pm
Subject: Re: Lots more Big Brother on the way?

> Considering the ratings and the ill will CBS is getting, I would think that
>  there would be some changes made if the network agreed to a second "Big
>  Brother."

Make it an hour every night. Now, before you scream (too late, I know), this 
change it from a 22 minute scripted sitcom to well, anything else. Not 
necessarily "West Wing," but probably less "Homeboys from Outer Space."

From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 10:33pm
Subject: Fwd: everyone's mad @ john stossel...

>Here's the US postal office site, responding to John Stossel's
>"Give Me a Break" portion of the program.
>
>http://new.usps.com/cgi-bin/uspsbv/scripts/content.jsp?A=B&D=24597&U=X&U1=B&U2=H
>
>He's got Erin Brocovich, and those enviromentalists and the post
>office down his throat...

From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 10:58pm
Subject: Fwd: LATE SHOW and LATE LATE SHOW ratings!

[8/17/00]

>CBS'S "LATE SHOW with DAVID LETTERMAN" POSTS DOUBLE DIGIT YEAR-TO-YEAR GAINS
>IN HOUSEHOLDS, VIEWERS,
>ADULTS 18-49 AND ADULTS 25-54
>
>"The Late Late Show with Craig Kilborn" Improves +17% in Adult 18-49
>and Men 18-49  and +20% in Men 18-34 From a Year Ago
>
>
>CBS's LATE SHOW with DAVID LETTERMAN posted double digit growth in
>households, viewers, adults 18-49 and adults 25-54, while THE LATE LATE SHOW
>WITH CRAIG KILBORN saw +17% gains in adults 18-49 and men 18-49 and a +20%
>increase in men 18-34 versus the comparable week a year ago, for the week
>ending Aug. 11, 2000.
>
>The LATE SHOW posted a 3.2/9 in households with 4.21m viewers. The LATE SHOW
>was up +10% in households and +15% in viewers from the same week last year.
>LATE SHOW was up +13% in adults 18-49 (1.7/8 vs. 1.5/7), +19% in adults
>25-54 (1.9/8 vs. 1.6/8) and even in adults 18-34 (1.3/7) compared to the
>same week last year.    (Note: The LATE SHOW was the only late night program
>to maintain its adults 18-34 delivery.  All competitive late night
>programming was down in adults 18-34.)
>
>Compared to last year, "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" was down -4% in
>households (4.3/12 vs. 4.5/13), -1% in viewers (5.83m vs. 5.89m), -18% in
>adults 18-34 (1.8/9 vs. 2.2/11) while flat in adults 18-49 (2.4/11) and up
>+12% in adults 25-54(2.8/12 vs. 2.5/12). 
>
>"Nightline" was down -8% in households (3.3/9 vs. 3.6/10), -2% in viewers
>(4.39m vs. 4.48m), -6% in adults 18-49 (1.6/7 vs. 1.7/8) and -5% in adults
>25-54 (1.9/8 vs. 2.0/9) compared to the same week last year.
>
>Television year-to-date, LATE SHOW with DAVID LETTERMAN is up +14% in
>households (3.2/9 vs. 2.8/8), +16% in viewers (4.06m vs. 3.49m), +7% in
>adults 18-49 (1.6/8 vs. 1.5/7), +13% in adults 25-54 (1.8/8 vs. 1.6/8) and
>even in adults 18-34 (1.3/7) compared to last season.   "The Tonight Show,"
>television year-to-date, is down -2% in households (4.5/13 vs. 4.6/13), -5%
>in adults 18-34 (2.0/11 vs. 2.1/11), -4% in adults 18-49 (2.4/12 vs. 2.5/12)
>while flat in both viewers (5.82m) and adults 25-54 (2.7/12) from last
>season. 
>
>THE LATE LATE SHOW with CRAIG KILBORN posted a 1.2/5 in households with
>1.47m viewers, even in households and +2% in viewers compared to last year.
>
>
>
>
>THE LATE LATE SHOW posted a 0.7/5 in both adults 18-49 and men 18-49, both
>+17% from a 0.6/5 in both demos compared to last year. THE LATE LATE SHOW
>scored a 0.6/4 in men 18-34, up +20% from a 0.5/4 last year and a 0.6/5 in
>adults 18-34, even with last year.       
>
>Television year-to-date, THE LATE LATE SHOW is up +7% in viewers (1.46m vs.
>1.37m), +17% in both adults 18-49 (0.7/5 vs. 0.6/4) and men 18-49 (0.7/5 vs.
>0.6/4) and +40% in both adults 18-34 (0.7/5 vs. 0.5/4) and men 18-34 (0.7/5
>vs. 0.5/4) while even in households (1.2/6) compared to last year. 
>
>				*   *   *

From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 11:19pm
Subject: "Simpsons" cast tours U.K.

>Poetic genius of Homer
>
>      by Patrick Marmion
>
>      Simpsons creator Matt Groening and a posse of the show's voice actors
>      stormed prestigious Edinburgh Fringe venue, the Assembly Rooms, with
>      their tour last night. Gladstone, Disraeli and Charles Dickens have all
>      spoken here. Last night it was the turn of Bart, Homer, Marge and Lisa.
>
>      Bearded, bear-like Groening and writer and executive producer Mike
>      Scully, sporting a moustache and mullet hairdo, set the geek chic tone.
>
>      Moe the barman turned out to be voiced by a cool West Coaster, Hank
>      Azaria, and contrasted nicely with the appropriately goofy and balding
>      Dan Castellaneta who voices Homer.
>
>      Nancy Cartwright (Bart) turned out in full Scottish regalia - sporran and
>      all. The only notable absence was Julie Kavner who voices Marge, but
>      she was ably substituted by Tress Macneille. Also present were the urbane
>      Harry Shearer who voices both Mr Burns and Smithers, and petite Pamela
>      Hayden who voices Millhouse. Shut your eyes and you were in
>      Springfield.
>
>      The show opened bravely with a specially shot story focusing on the
>      wild-card Scottish character Billy, the school caretaker - the audience
>      politely accepting his accent. The Simpsons are nothing if not
>      even-handed, however, and the French were sent-up with a dubbed
>      version of the cartoon strip. But the bulk of the show was devoted to the
>      live reading of an episode in which Homer plots a telemarketing scam and
>      vegetarian Lisa tries to change Nelson "Nuke The Whale!" Muntz.
>
>      Fans were further rewarded with a question and answer session. One
>      wanted to know if a Simpsons feature film, following Beavis And
>      Butthead and South Park, was likely. Groening protested that he's "too
>      busy with the series".
>
>      Homer was asked if he could say "no" properly? Dan Castellaneta replied:
>      "Sure I can say dough ... DOUGH."
>
>      The Simpsons circus comes to London this week and Groening will be
>      grilled by Jonathan Ross at the National Film Theatre at noon this
>      Thursday. That evening, the cast perform at the Playhouse Theatre, with a
>      gala evening to follow on Friday when the some of the show's many
>      celebrity fans will attend. The two shows are sold out.
>
>
>        Email this article to a friend
>
>
>      © Associated Newspapers Ltd., 15 August 2000
>      Terms and Conditions
>      This Is London
>
>
>
>
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_880000/880729.stm
>
>
>
>                   Monday, 14 August, 2000, 21:57 GMT 22:57 UK
>
>                   BBC ONLINE
>
>                   Simpsons sell out in
>                   Edinburgh
>
>                   The stage show has taken festival organisers by surprise
>                   By arts correspondent David Sillito
>
>                   Cartoon series The Simpsons has become the hottest
>                   show at this year's Edinburgh Festival.
>
>                   A one-off live script reading by the cast sold out within
>                   50 minutes.
>
>                   The faces behind the voices appeared on stage on
>                   Monday for only the second time in the show's 10-year
>                   history.
>
>                   Large cut-out pictures helped the audience at the
>                   Assembly Rooms identify which character was speaking,
>                   but then it was up to the vocal talents of the artists to
>                   carry the entertainment.
>
>                   The stage show was first tried out at a comedy festival
>                   in Aspen in Colorado and was brought to Edinburgh
>                   after the creator of the show, Matt Groening, visited the
>                   city last year to promote his new show, Futurama.
>
>                   Surprise hit
>
>                   However, the popularity of The Simpsons on stage has
>                   taken the organisers by surprise.
>
>                   The festival is more normally associated with
>                   productions of serious theatre and stand-up comedy - a
>                   script reading was thought to be of interest only to the
>                   most ardent Simpsons fans.
>
>                   But while many shows have been struggling to pull in
>                   the crowds, the only tickets left for Monday's show were
>                   on the black market.
>
>                   There were some surprises
>                   for those who have never
>                   seen the voice artists.
>
>                   Beer and burger guzzling
>                   Homer Simpson is played
>                   by the quiet and svelte Dan
>                   Castellaneta.
>
>                   The voice of
>                   under-achieving juvenile
>                   boy Bart Simpson comes
>                   out of the mouth of an
>                   award-winning and very
>                   grown-up woman, Nancy
>                   Cartwright.
>
>                   While the evil capitalist
>                   double act of Mr Burns and
>                   Smithers is all the work of one man, Harry Shearer.
>
>                   The success of such a product on international
>                   television has alarmed some purists who fear that such
>                   star attractions overshadow the thousands of
>                   performers struggling to use Edinburgh to get some
>                   attention.
>
>                   Cultural power
>
>                   But when it comes to literary merit the critics seem to be
>                   unusually united. One commentator from the Guardian
>                   even said it was one of the "pinnacles of 20th century
>                   culture".
>
>                   Its cultural power is probably best demonstrated by the
>                   willingness of big names to appear in cameo roles.
>
>                   Surviving Beatles Sir Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr and
>                   George Harrison have all been featured.
>
>                   But it was not the real voice of George Bush senior
>                   during his appearance. The former US president caused
>                   a furore when he said he wanted family life to be more
>                   like The Waltons than The Simpsons.
>
>                   The stage show then is a celebration of a huge
>                   international hit. The Simpsons now appear in more
>                   than 90 countries.
>
>                   When Sky decided to run The Simpsons ten years ago it
>                   had a programme that was to provoke thousands of
>                   children to force their parents to get a satellite dish.
>
>                   It was 'pester power' from children who, rather than
>                   being appalled at the dysfunctional family, would
>                   happily swap their lives for one in Springfield.
>
>                   How long can it last?
>
>                   Sky thought they had a good cartoon series, 10 years
>                   later they have a cultural phenomenon.
>
>                   The question now is how long can it last? Bart, Lisa and
>                   Maggie have been frozen into a permanent childhood
>                   but all the cast and writers are getting older and shorter
>                   of ideas.
>
>                   After 12 series, the prospect of another 12 brings some
>                   of the writers out in a cold sweat.
>
>                   Its creator, Matt Groening, now only takes a supervisory
>                   role and devotes his attention to his new series
>                   Futurama.
>
>                   Like Bart, this 10th birthday party may be as far as it
>                   goes, few believe there will be any repeat of the stage
>                   show to celebrate a twentieth anniversary.
>
>                   There are two further performances at London's
>                   Playhouse Theatre on 17 and 18 August - both are sold
>                   out.
>

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 7:34pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: everyone's mad @ john stossel...

>He's got Erin Brocovich, and those enviromentalists and the post
>office down his throat...

Who do these people think he is, Doctor Laura?

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 11:46pm
Subject: Re: Twitch City

> Another popular Canadian TV show is set to air in the US. Don McKellar's 
> Twitch City, originally run on CBC, will air on Bravo two times a week at 
> 10.00 PM, starting this Wednesday. 

Love the show, don't buy the ad theme that it's about an obsession with 
television...

From: Michael Jones  <spikej555@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 8:46am
Subject: Re: Fwd: everyone's mad @ john stossel...

All I know is that my local post office has a stamp machine that will NOT take my $5 bill--even if it is new and unwrinkled. 
I really wish I had known in advance that 20/20 was going to do this expose'.  I would have requested that they film my  frustration--and following it with a 15 second interview with Stossel. 


objectively,
Michael 


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Aaron Barnhart 
  To: tvbarn2@egroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 8:33 PM
  Subject: [tvbarn2] Fwd: everyone's mad @ john stossel...


  >Here's the US postal office site, responding to John Stossel's
  >"Give Me a Break" portion of the program.
  >
  >http://new.usps.com/cgi-bin/uspsbv/scripts/content.jsp?A=B&D=24597&U=X&U1=B&U2=H
  >
  >He's got Erin Brocovich, and those enviromentalists and the post
  >office down his throat...


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From: Paul Stephen  <pstephen@escape.ca>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 1:52pm
Subject: Hanna to Eat Bugs on Letterman

TV's 'animal guy' brings crew to capture Manitoba's critters

Sun, Aug 20, 2000
By David Kuxhaus

IT'S not easy being a TV star when you share the stage with some 
of the world's most dangerous and exotic animals.

Just ask Jack Hanna about the time in the swamps of south Florida 
when a giant anaconda nearly devoured his left hand. Or when a 
playful swat from an elephant broke his shoulder.

It's all in a day's work for the world's most famous zookeeper 
who made a name for himself by trotting out critters on the tube.

Today, Hanna has his own TV show, Jack Hanna's Amazing Animals, 
which is seen in 67 countries.

Over the weekend he was in Churchill, filming beluga whales and 
polar bears for an upcoming segment. His crew will be at 
Assiniboine Park Zoo today and out at Oak Hammock Marsh tomorrow.

Yesterday afternoon, Hanna was taking a breather at the Hotel 
Fort Garry, where he is staying.

Wearing his trademark khakis, he attracted about as much 
attention as the young brides rushing through the lobby.

In less than a half hour, he was approached by several people.

"Hey! Aren't you the animal guy?" they all ask.

"This is nothing," Hanna says afterward. "You should see when I 
go down to Brazil. I get mobbed. Everybody wants autographs." 

On Wednesday, Hanna will be in New York for an appearance on Good 
Morning America, and later in the day he'll team up with his old 
pal David Letterman. Letterman is doing a special "Survivor" show 
that night to tie in with the finale of the hit series in which 
castaways must fend for themselves on a deserted island. The 
winner gets a million dollars.

Hanna, 52, says he plans to give Letterman's Late Night viewers a 
few tips to use if they're really stranded.

"This is a scoop for you. I'm going to eat some bugs on the show. 
You know they got more protein than meat," says Hanna, who will 
snack on crickets and mealworms.

Hanna says he has always loved animals, having been raised on a 
farm in Tennessee. He lives in Big Fork, Mont., but rarely gets 
home. He quickly rattles off an itinerary that zig-zags from one 
end of the globe to the other. 

Over the years, he's gone hang-gliding with condors in California 
and filmed yaks in Nepal.

Just last month, Hanna had one of his most amazing animal 
experiences. It was off the coast of South Africa, when he came 
face to jaws with a great white shark. "This 17-footer came right 
at the cage. It was the most incredible creature I have ever 
seen. The pictures don't do justice to it," Hanna says.
Hanna maintains close ties to the Columbus Zoo in Ohio where he 
spent much of his career, and he has a ready answer when asked 
whether animals belong in zoos.

"Animals in zoos are ambassadors to their cousins in the wild," 
he says, pointing out that more than 120 million Americans 
visited zoos last year.

"It's a place for education, conservation and recreation."

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 8:48pm
Subject: Ultra Rich Fast

From USA Today : Survivor castaway Sean Kenniff, the new medical 
correspondent on syndicated Extra, will make his first appearance Sept. 5, 
when former Tagi teammate Richard Hatch appears to discuss his *80-pound* 
weight loss. 

ahem.... SO YOU CAN STOP CALLING HIM THE FAT NAKED GAY GUY already...

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 9:04pm
Subject: what was that bible reading guy's name again?

from the Washington Post : 
    Dirk Been, the Bible-bearing "Survivor" contestant, says the evil Tagi 
Alliance voted him off the island because its members were intimidated by the 
strength his Christianity gave him.
    Been made the comment while taping an appearance on Pat Robertson's "700 
Club" talk show on the Christian Broadcasting Network, to air Wednesday. 

[Good to know he's still trying to get on any talk show that'll have him 7 
weeks later, just like Jesus would.]

From: Keith Privett  <Keith@PRIVETT.COM>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 3:53am
Subject: Big Brother webcast

As a person who enjoy watchin Survivor as much to analyse the editing and
slyness of product placement, as I do the actual competition, I was glad I
make my occasional visit to the big brother webcast.

As the surviving seven sat poolside late night, weblisteners learned the
following:

That the CBS contract with the residents has a right of first refusal clause
on all other TV deals through the end of the year, or as Cassandra put it,
they have the right to our personalities" for a year, by which point, Curtis
pointed out, "our fifteen minutes of fame would be up anyway". Cassandra had
her lawyer try to get changes made to the contract, including a clause that
medical history could be revealed to the other guests; CBS refused.

Brittany got creeped out by the private investigators sent to check on her
in Minnesota, but was "surpised they didn't check to make sure I was really
a virgin."

Most, if not all of the contestants were housed at the same hotel prior to
the annoying slow Bronco chase to the house. "I saw Mega at the hotel and he
acted funny like he recognized me, then they accidentally walked me into a
hotel room where eddie was."

They are also hyperconcious that they're being televised, wondering openly
how popular the show is, and they ain't wild about Julie (no remaining shred
of journalistic integrity left) Chen.

While they speculated on whether there would be a 2nd BB, George commented
"I don't see why they'd do another, they've done all the challenges they
could this time." Another agreed that at least MTV can put the Real World in
another city but that wouldn't work. Others thought that if the walls were
harsher colors or the house even smaller, that'd be new enough.

Misc: The house had an ant infestation and the high shower curtain is
causing water leaks that damage the floor. They also fear a boxing challenge
and a kareoke challenge, though Curtis? doubted they'd get the rights to all
the songs.

let the Eye run this stuff, unedited huh.

Keith Privett

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Aug 21, 2000 0:25am
Subject: Kill the mouse!

[trust me we'll be seeing them all on Wonderful World of Disney in about 3 
years.]

from Zentertainment : 

DISNEY has announced its direct-to-video HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME II will 
again feature the voices of Tom Hulce as Quasimodo, Demi Moore as Esmeralda, 
Kevin Kline as Phoebus, Jason Alexander as gargoyle Hugo, and Charles 
Kibmrough as gargoyle Victor.
This time around though, they'll be joined by Jennifer Love Hewitt as 
Quasimodo's love interest Madellaine, Haley Joel Osment (Sixth Sense) as 
Esmeralda & Phoebus' son Zephyr, 
Michael McKean as the wicked circus master Sarousch, and replacing the late 
Mary Wiches as gargoyle Laverne, Jane Withers.

Scamp, the son of Lady & The Tramp, takes centerstage in the direct-to-video 
release LADY & THE TRAMP II: SCAMP'S ADVENTURE, due out next spring. Scott 
Wolf (Party of Five) voices the title role, in an adventure full of songs in 
which Scamp takes up with the stray Junkyard Dogs, and falls for a stray 
named Angel (Alyssa Milano), who the Junkyard Dogs' leader (Chazz Palminteri) 
also has his eyes on. SCAMP also features the voices of Jodi Benson, Jeff 
Bennett, Cathy Moriarty, Bronson Pinchot, Mickey Rooney, and Bill Fagerbaake.

[can we expect Peggy Lee suing for being sampled in the new Eminem rap remix 
: "Hez on'a  my boyzzzz but you gots to love da' Dogg except if he's a fag." 
BAMBI II : REVENGE OF THE VENISON starring the voices of Raven Symone, George 
Hamilton, and Darva CongerTHEY CALL ME MISTER DUMBO! with Sidney Poitier, 
Maya Angelou and Geri Haliwell, and MARY POPPINS II : A CRACKPIPE OF CRACK 
HELPS THE CRACK GO DOWN starring Julie Andrews and Norm MacDonald?]

From: Mark Jeffries  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Mon Aug 21, 2000 4:31pm
Subject: Re: Ultra Rich Fast

>From USA Today : Survivor castaway Sean Kenniff, the new medical >correspondent on syndicated Extra, will make his first appearance Sept. 5, >when former Tagi teammate Richard Hatch appears to discuss his *80-pound* >weight loss. >ahem.... SO YOU CAN STOP CALLING HIM THE FAT NAKED GAY GUY already... Can we call him Frank? Robin Day has a hedgehog named Frank. Mark Jeffries mjeffries@k... mjsaints@a...

From: Mark Jeffries  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Mon Aug 21, 2000 4:40pm
Subject: Re: Kill the mouse!

>Scamp, the son of Lady & The Tramp, takes centerstage in the direct-to-video >release LADY & THE TRAMP II: SCAMP'S ADVENTURE, due out next spring. Scott >Wolf (Party of Five) voices the title role, in an adventure full of songs in >which Scamp takes up with the stray Junkyard Dogs, and falls for a stray >named Angel (Alyssa Milano), who the Junkyard Dogs' leader (Chazz Palminteri) >also has his eyes on. SCAMP also features the voices of Jodi Benson, Jeff >Bennett, Cathy Moriarty, Bronson Pinchot, Mickey Rooney, and Bill Fagerbaake. Actually, Scamp's had his showcase for a long time. For years, Disney had a daily Scamp comic strip, along with the more established Mickey and Donald strips (and a Sunday Br'er Rabbit strip that they couldn't get away with today). Occasionally Lady and Tramp would appear in the strip. Not particularly memorable, but probably because of its inherent blandness it had a long run in many newspapers, particularly in smaller cities. Disney must've gotten out of newspaper comic strips--King Features, their long-time syndicator, doesn't show any current Disney strips on its web site. However, King distributes Spider-Man--can an X-Men strip be somewhere in the future now? Mark Jeffries mjeffries@k... mjsaints@a...

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Aug 21, 2000 1:51pm
Subject: Re: Kill the mouse!

> However, King distributes Spider-Man--can an X-Men strip be somewhere in the
>  future now?

    New adventure and/or serial strips are a hard sell. Whether it's Rex 
Morgan, Mark Trail, Mary Worth, or The Phantom, Spiderman or the dreadful 
TMNTurtles strip. They tend to do poorly in comics polls, and features 
editors aren't as likely to add them.

From: Jeff Metzner  <jeff@jmetzner.com>
Date: Mon Aug 21, 2000 9:44pm
Subject: RE: Ultra Rich Fast

At the rate they're going, Hatch's missing 80 pounds will have it's own
syndicated talk show by January...

-----Original Message-----
From: tomalhe@a... [mailto:tomalhe@a...]
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 1:49 AM
To: tvbarn2@egroups.com
Subject: [tvbarn2] Ultra Rich Fast


From USA Today : Survivor castaway Sean Kenniff, the new medical
correspondent on syndicated Extra, will make his first appearance Sept. 5,
when former Tagi teammate Richard Hatch appears to discuss his *80-pound*
weight loss.

ahem.... SO YOU CAN STOP CALLING HIM THE FAT NAKED GAY GUY already...



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From: Laurel Krahn  <laurel@windowseat.org>
Date: Mon Aug 21, 2000 10:59pm
Subject: more truth re Big Brother

I may have mentioned I'm a denizen of the Well, a cool BBS (well.com).  
 
Martha Soukup's a fabulous writer of science fiction short stories and a regular on the Well.
 
It's all her fault I got hooked on Big Brother, she's been posting great accounts of what's going on in the house.  Inspiring me to try and do my own transcriptions of what I see on the feeds and drawing a lot of people into the fray.
 
Anyway.  Her latest piece about BB for Big Brother sums up a lot of what we've been talking about on the Well.  It's a fabulous article and I hope a lot of people read it.
 
It explains things I've been wanting to say far better than I possibly could.
 
It tells of the almost-revolt and of many things from the feeds that you aren't seeing on TV.

http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/feature/2000/08/22/bb_web/index.html

--
Laurel Krahn (laurel@w...) www.windowseat.org
www.tvpicks.net - updated (almost) daily since Dec 1998

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 2:25pm
Subject: as the word "Best" hits new lows...

"Saturday Night Live: The Best of Clinton & Lewinsky" (NR) VHS
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004UEDX/thedennismillerf

No one parodies the Clinton administration with such verve as "Saturday Night 
Live." Don't miss this compilation of the woes of the Clinton years. 
Available September 12.

From: afoglia97@yahoo.com
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 6:54pm
Subject: Apologies Wanted

More on that The Late Late Show joke.  From USA Today.com:

FCC commissioner raps CBS for Bush joke

Concerned with violence in the media, Federal Communications
Commissioner Gloria Tristani wrote CBS TV President Leslie Moonves
urging the network to apologize for a graphic that aired Aug. 4
depicting GOP presidential candidate George W. Bush above the words
"Snipers Wanted." The graphic was shown on The Late Late Show with
Craig Kilborn. A week after the incident, executives and Kilborn
apologized.

From: Bob Sassone  <bsassone@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 10:26am
Subject: You Are Invited...

Hello!

Since you are all fellow couch potatoes, I thought you might want to join a site
that I edit called "The TV Studio."  It's free, and I have not only the latest
news, but also reviews, interviews, and features on all things television.
There's even a weekly TV trivia contest, with a prize to the member who e-mails
me the correct answer first.  I also send out a free weekly newsletter to
members, with links to the best TV stories around the web, links to new stories
at my site, my picks for the week, my latest rant to really irritate people,
etc.  This week:  an interview with Bruce Campbell, and a message board
discussion about Dennis Miller and "MNF."

Wanna give it a try?  Here's all you do:  click on the link below.  "Sign In" to
iUniverse.com.  After you do the sign in thing, go back to the TV Studio, and
"Join" that community.  You have to do both steps.

Let me know what you think.  Oh, and as a member, you can not only post stuff on
the message boards and participate in chats, you can also submit articles and
essays and reviews if you'd like as well!

Oh, and I'm rooting for Rudy.

Best,

Bob Sassone
Editor
The TV Studio
http://communities.iuniverse.com/tvstudio

From: Brad Romano  <bradr@CFFMTHEMAX.COM>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 7:18pm
Subject: ED Promo

This will probably make more sense to the Canadians in the audience, 
but I have to giggle at the new promo for "ED" on NBC.  The one where 
he stands in front of the mic and prattles on..."I'm from 
Stuckyville.." and "My name is ED..".  This is a huge rip-off/parody 
of a Molson Canadian beer commercial that took the country by storm 
earlier this year with "Joe Canadian" spouting off about how he's 
proud to be Canadian.  I guess its just a real big compliment to the 
Creative from Molson, and for anyone who thinks the ED promo is
genius 
I think they still have the original at www.adcritic.com.  To give
you 
an idea of how big the Molson spot went over up here, "Joe" was 
touring NHL hockey rinks doing his rant live to standing ovations.  
Kinda 
like what woulda happened if the "Whazzzzzup" guys showed up at the 
Superbowl.

From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Thu Aug 24, 2000 1:24am
Subject: Re: ED Promo

The Molson ads are running here as well.  That's why they made 
the promo that way -- it was a parody plain and simple.

--- In tvbarn2@egroups.com, "Brad Romano" <bradr@C...> 
wrote:
> This will probably make more sense to the Canadians in the 
audience, 
> but I have to giggle at the new promo for "ED" on NBC.  The 
one where 
> he stands in front of the mic and prattles on..."I'm from 
> Stuckyville.." and "My name is ED..".  This is a huge 
rip-off/parody 
> of a Molson Canadian beer commercial that took the country by 
storm 
> earlier this year with "Joe Canadian" spouting off about how 
he's 
> proud to be Canadian.  I guess its just a real big compliment to 
the 
> Creative from Molson, and for anyone who thinks the ED 
promo is
> genius 
> I think they still have the original at www.adcritic.com.  To give
> you 
> an idea of how big the Molson spot went over up here, "Joe" 
was 
> touring NHL hockey rinks doing his rant live to standing 
ovations.  
> Kinda 
> like what woulda happened if the "Whazzzzzup" guys showed 
up at the 
> Superbowl.

From: Greg Dunlap  <gdd@heyrocker.com>
Date: Thu Aug 24, 2000 9:25am
Subject: More CBS dirty tricks

So today I was driving to work listening to the NPR program Morning
Edition. Just as I was about to park, an announcement cam on which said
the following (not an exact quote, but the gist of it.)


Yesterday on Morning Edition we aired a piece by Stanely Bing about the
end of the TV program Survivor. It has come to our attention that Stanley
Bing is a pseudonym for Gil Schwartz, Executive Vice President of
Communications for CBS. Had we been aware of this affiliation, we would
not have aired his comments.


Alas I did not hear the Survivor segment yesterday. The NPR website
archives all old shows, including Morning Edition, but unsurprisingly this
particular segment is nowhere to be found in the listing for
yesterday. One can only assume that the comments were positive though, all
things considered. Given the recent events surrounding CBS and Big
Brother, it seems like this kind of dirty tricksterism is standard
operating procedure over there. Its one thing to do it on their own
commercial networks, but to go onto public radio and pull that kind of
stuff is lower than low.

Greg Dunlap
gdd@h...

From: Mark Jeffries  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Thu Aug 24, 2000 11:02am
Subject: Re: More CBS dirty tricks

>So today I was driving to work listening to the NPR program Morning >Edition. Just as I was about to park, an announcement cam on which said >the following (not an exact quote, but the gist of it.) >Yesterday on Morning Edition we aired a piece by Stanely Bing about the >end of the TV program Survivor. It has come to our attention that Stanley >Bing is a pseudonym for Gil Schwartz, Executive Vice President of >Communications for CBS. Had we been aware of this affiliation, we would >not have aired his comments. Here's the AP story on this, as posted by Yahoo!: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20000823/en/npr_survivor_1.html And the piece is still listed on NPR's web site--it's the eighth story down on Wednesday's "Morning Edition" (which I estimate makes it the last story of the first hour). Instead of a commentary by Schwartz, it was part of a piece by NPR correspondent Madeline Brand, as mentioned in the AP article. Mark Jeffries mjeffries@k... mjsaints@a...

From: Hoodoo  <hoodoo@newnorth.net>
Date: Thu Aug 24, 2000 11:17am
Subject: Re: More CBS dirty tricks

When I've wanted to follow up on All Things Considered programs I had heard, I
found that it takes a few days for the most recent radio segments to be
archived.

Bill


----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Dunlap" <gdd@h...>

> Alas I did not hear the Survivor segment yesterday. The NPR website
> archives all old shows, including Morning Edition, but unsurprisingly this
> particular segment is nowhere to be found in the listing for
> yesterday.

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Thu Aug 24, 2000 11:28pm
Subject: Arsenio II : The Quickening

Hollywood Reporter sez : 

BET's Smiley talks up Tribune
Tavis Smiley, host of "BET Tonight" on cable's Black Entertainment 
Television, has signed a deal with Tribune Entertainment to develop a 
syndicated talk show. Tribune executives confirmed the deal but declined to 
elaborate on the talk show project. Smiley is in his fifth season as host of 
"BET Tonight," which is relocating from Washington to Los Angeles in the 
fall.

From: Sue Trowbridge  <trow@slip.net>
Date: Fri Aug 25, 2000 8:57am
Subject: Hairigami

I'm sooo happy that the ComposTumbler has finally gotten the boot. I burst
out laughing when I saw that the new Campaign 2000 sponsor was Hairigami,
though, because I ACTUALLY OWN Hairigami. The creator is from the Bay Area
and my local newspaper ran an article about her last year. I thought it
sounded great, so I purchased one (it's available at qvc.com). I am all
thumbs and have never been able to do anything fancy with my hair.
Hairigami is easy to use and a very well designed product. Much better
than the ComposTumbler, but not quite up to the standards of Crystal Clear
Party Ice :)

--Sue T.

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Fri Aug 25, 2000 6:14am
Subject: A long running show this summer...

sez Variety : 

Fox pulled the plug on "The Opposite Sex"  Wednesday. Six episodes of 
``Opposite Sex'' have already aired, with two still on the shelf.

From: Mark Jeffries  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Fri Aug 25, 2000 10:20am
Subject: Re: A long running show this summer...

>Fox pulled the plug on "The Opposite Sex" Wednesday. Six episodes of >``Opposite Sex'' have already aired, with two still on the shelf. Between that, "American High," "...Chance of a Lifetime" and postponing "Krypton Factor," Gail Berman has the itchiest trigger finger in Hollywood. Fox is like an addict--they want to get rid of the "World's Wildest Police Chases" genre of reality show, but they just helplessly keep coming back to it. Call it Crack Television. Mark Jeffries mjeffries@k... mjsaints@a...

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Fri Aug 25, 2000 11:00am
Subject: Re: A long running show this summer...

> Between that, "American High," "...Chance of a Lifetime" and postponing "
> Krypton
>  Factor," Gail Berman has the itchiest trigger finger in Hollywood.

What, both "It's Your Chance Of A Lifetime," and "The Opposite Sex" each 
lasted six shows. That's restraint compared to Sammy, Clerks, American High, 
etc.

From: Mark Jeffries  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Fri Aug 25, 2000 3:15pm
Subject: Re[2]: A long running show this summer...

>> Between that, "American High," "...Chance of a Lifetime" and postponing " >> Krypton >> Factor," Gail Berman has the itchiest trigger finger in Hollywood. >What, both "It's Your Chance Of A Lifetime," and "The Opposite Sex" each >lasted six shows. That's restraint compared to Sammy, Clerks, American High, >etc. Yeah--the difference is that Berman's taken off more shows than anyone else this summer--but she's had more to take off than her competitors. (We can also mention the first-run eps of the Jennifer Love Perkybreasts show canned by Berman--"Family Guy"'s the only survivor on her island). Outside of "Millionaire," the only other first-run show on ABC besides "Clerks" was "Making the Band," which stayed through the summer. NBC did can "MYOB," as well, but they had a modest hit in "Mysterious Ways" (bet they wish they could take over Pax now and change it to NBC2). And then there's CBS--batting 1.000 on their first-run summer shows--unless George does the right thing and marches his fellow "Big Brother" inmates right out the front door and into the Studio City sunlight. Mark Jeffries mjeffries@k... mjsaints@a...

From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Sat Aug 26, 2000 3:00pm
Subject: Re: A long running show this summer...

I've got news for you -- even if they march out of the house they'll 
still never find their way out of that CBS Radford facility!  It is
the 
only time I have ever visited a set where I, and the combined 
forces around me (including the offices of Greenblatt-Jonollari, 
which are on the Radford campus) were utterly unable to find the 
quonset hut I was looking for.  I never did get the interview with 
Alan Ball that day ... I wonder what happened to him after "Oh 
Grow Up."

By the way, "Making the Band" is not a summer series.  It's a 
midseason series canned after three weeks and now getting a 
second run on ABC.


--- In tvbarn2@egroups.com, "Mark Jeffries" <mjeffries@k...> 
wrote:
> >> Between that, "American High," "...Chance of a Lifetime" and 
postponing "
> >> Krypton
> >>  Factor," Gail Berman has the itchiest trigger finger in 
Hollywood.
> 
> >What, both "It's Your Chance Of A Lifetime," and "The 
Opposite Sex" each 
> >lasted six shows. That's restraint compared to Sammy, 
Clerks, American High, 
> >etc.
> 
> Yeah--the difference is that Berman's taken off more shows 
than anyone else this
> summer--but she's had more to take off than her competitors.  
(We can also
> mention the first-run eps of the Jennifer Love Perkybreasts 
show canned by
> Berman--"Family Guy"'s the only survivor on her island).
> 
> Outside of "Millionaire," the only other first-run show on ABC 
besides "Clerks"
> was "Making the Band," which stayed through the summer.  
NBC did can "MYOB," as
> well, but they had a modest hit in "Mysterious Ways" (bet they 
wish they could
> take over Pax now and change it to NBC2).
> 
> And then there's CBS--batting 1.000 on their first-run summer 
shows--unless
> George does the right thing and marches his fellow "Big 
Brother" inmates right
> out the front door and into the Studio City sunlight.
> 
> Mark Jeffries
> mjeffries@k...
> mjsaints@a...

From: Paul Stephen  <pstephen@escape.ca>
Date: Sat Aug 26, 2000 4:06pm
Subject: CBS Radford Facility

> I've got news for you -- even if they march out of the house they'll 
> still never find their way out of that CBS Radford facility!

Is that the former MTM facility out there in Studio City? If it is, I was
there a couple of times to see the Bob Newhart, Mary Tyler Moore and
WKRP in Cincinati shows.

While waiting in line for WKRP, a CBS page came up to me and said,
"Didn't you 'sing' to Loni Anderson on Mike Douglas last week".

Ah, a glimpse of "fame" -- I did indeed (along with 3 others) serenade
Loni.

Paul

From: Paul Stephen  <pstephen@escape.ca>
Date: Sat Aug 26, 2000 4:13pm
Subject: Electrifiying

Well Dave hasn't used my suggestion re an "electric chair" ad for Campaign 2000, but
it got worked into Viewer Mail re: his old chair. ;-)

What's "George" up to on "BB"? Looks like "Save our Hero" on that sign he was
making.

Paul

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sat Aug 26, 2000 11:40am
Subject: Re: Re: A long running show this summer...

> I never did get the interview with Alan Ball that day ... 
> I wonder what happened to him after "Oh Grow Up."


Didn't he write that film "American Pie," based on his horrific experiences 
working with Bruce Willis?

From: MJsaints@AOL.COM
Date: Sat Aug 26, 2000 1:33pm
Subject: Re: Re: A long running show this summer...

In a message dated 08/26/2000 3:01:42 PM Central Daylight Time, 
aaron@t... writes:

<< By the way, "Making the Band" is not a summer series.  It's a 
 midseason series canned after three weeks and now getting a 
 second run on ABC. >>

Not technically (just as "Millionaire" isn't technically a summer show), but 
it was a series airing first-run episodes that is making it to the end of its 
run.  That was my statement--that it and "Millionaire" were ABC shows airing 
in the summer with first-run episodes not getting cancelled before the end of 
their scheduled runs.

As if it really matters.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: thumbsup3@aol.com
Date: Sat Aug 26, 2000 8:48pm
Subject: Re: Re: A long running show this summer...

<< I never did get the interview with 
 Alan Ball that day ... I wonder what happened to him after "Oh 
 Grow Up." >>

He's developing a show for HBO called "Six Feet Under," about two brothers 
running a mortuary. Peter Krause, late of "Sports Night," has already been 
cast as the lead. 

christine

From: Michael Jones  <spikej555@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 11:16am
Subject: Re: Re: A long running show this summer...

Christine writes: 
<He's developing a show for HBO called "Six Feet Under," about two brothers 
running a mortuary.> 

I've heard he's also has plans for a  big screen version, starring Paul  Hogan (and twin Peter),   tentatively entitled "Six Feet Down Under."
It will be crudely charming, with just the right touch of morbidity. Look for a lot of errant knife-throwing by Peter in the mortuary. 

apologies again to all on this mailing list,
Michael
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: thumbsup3@a... 
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  << I never did get the interview with 
  Alan Ball that day ... I wonder what happened to him after "Oh 
  Grow Up." >>

  He's developing a show for HBO called "Six Feet Under," about two brothers 
  running a mortuary. Peter Krause, late of "Sports Night," has already been 
  cast as the lead. 

  christine

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From: James Porteous  <porteous@interlog.com>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 10:27am
Subject: UPN's cop-out in airing cleaned up hip-hop awards

From: Media Life Magazine
UPN's cop-out in airing cleaned up hip-hop awards: Snippets of violence 
give truer insight into genre
http://www.medialifemagazine.com/news2000/aug00/aug28/1_mon/news3monday.html


James


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From: David Bruggeman  <dbrugg@gwu.edu>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 4:28pm
Subject: Aaron on CNN.com

Hi folks,

Aaron is quoted in a CNN piece on the Emmy's.  There's even a photo.

http://www.cnn.com/2000/SHOWBIZ/TV/08/25/emmy.forecast/index.html

David Bruggeman
dbrugg@g...

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 0:39pm
Subject: Re: Aaron on CNN.com

> Aaron is quoted in a CNN piece on the Emmy's.  There's even a photo.

But have they digitally inserted Tom Shales and Marvin Kitman into the piece?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

From: Mark Jeffries  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 4:49pm
Subject: Re[2]: Aaron on CNN.com

>But have they digitally inserted Tom Shales and Marvin Kitman into the >piece? >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! But do we really want Shales? All he'd do is talk about how overrated "Everyone Loves Raymond" is. Mark Jeffries mjeffries@k... mjsaints@a...

From: Mark Jeffries  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 6:40pm
Subject: Re: CBS Radford Facility

>> I've got news for you -- even if they march out of the house they'll >> still never find their way out of that CBS Radford facility! >Is that the former MTM facility out there in Studio City? If it is, I was >there a couple of times to see the Bob Newhart, Mary Tyler Moore and >WKRP in Cincinati shows. Yes, it is--but MTM was only a part-owner in the 80s before STV and Pat Robertson sucked all of the life out of the company. CBS has owned the facility in whole or part since the 60s. Before that, it was the Republic Pictures lot, home of scads of B Westerns, all of which can be seen sooner or later on Encore Westerns. Mark Jeffries mjeffries@k... mjsaints@a...

From: Hoodoo  <hoodoo@newnorth.net>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 10:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: CBS Radford Facility

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Jeffries" <mjeffries@k...>

.  CBS has owned the facility
> in whole or part since the 60s.  Before that, it was the Republic Pictures
lot,
> home of scads of B Westerns, all of which can be seen sooner or later on
Encore
> Westerns.


I had to search the 'net quickly to check that studio out. There is a nice
webpage located at
http://www.seeing-stars.com/TVstudios/CBSstudioCenter.shtml that tells some of
the things filmed there.

After meeting Ray "Crash" Corrigan at his ranch when I was a kid - and sitting
atop his horse arresting him with his own pistol - he has been my favorite
cowboy (and man in a monkey suit) and I love seeing the movie ranch in old
productions. My favorite website about Corriganville is at:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/1304/corrigan.htm
The America-1 channel shows a lot of those old westerns and other genre movies
and serials as well.

Bill

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 8:40pm
Subject: Re: Hairigami

http://www.hairigami.com


Surf that, Mr. Underpants.

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 11:07pm
Subject: This is the song that doesn't end. It just goes on and on my friends...

Variety sez : 

ABC is close to ordering more episodes of ``Making the Band,'' the reality 
series that chronicles boy-band svengali Lou Pearlman and the five members of 
his latest creation, O-Town.

While posting only so-so numbers in its Friday-night run this summer, 
``Making the Band'' has developed a cult following with viewers and has a 
large number of fans inside ABC.

``It's the lowest-rated show that everybody's watching,'' one ABC executive 
said.

Most recently, the network said the boys of O-Town will appear on ``All My 
Children'' Sept. 18. ABC executives note that additional episodes could 
chronicle the band as it finally signs a label deal and goes into the 
recording studio.

For now, original episodes of ``Making the Band'' will continue into 
September.

From: Mark Jeffries  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 6:17pm
Subject: Re[2]: Re: CBS Radford Facility

>I had to search the 'net quickly to check that studio out. There is a nice >webpage located at http://www.seeing-stars.com/TVstudios/CBSstudioCenter.shtml that tells some of >the things filmed there. However, there is an error in the page. If Mascot and Monogram merged to form Republic, I'd be surprised, since Monogram was around at the same time Republic was as a B picture studio (best known nowadays for the Bowery Boys series). Sometime in the 50s, they changed their name to Allied Artists and tried to trade up, but weren't really successful (although the last film I can remember with the Allied Artists name on it was John Huston's "The Man Who Would Be King"). Lorimar eventually acquired their library and now Time Warner owns it, which is why you can see Bowery Boys movies on TCM. Mark Jeffries mjeffries@k... mjsaints@a...

From: Anthony Foglia  <afoglia97@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 10:55pm
Subject: Stossel For Sale?

An unnoticed comment about Stossel and his organic
food reports... From a USA Today article on EBay:

In August, eBay had to remove a listing from a
prankster who wanted to auction off the credibility of
ABC reporter John Stossel after he was forced to
apologize for a report questioning health claims for
organic food.

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From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 0:17am
Subject: This Week at the TV Barn 8/28/00 pt. 1 of 2

THIS WEEK AT THE TV BARN
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I know what you're thinking. E-book? You mean I'll have
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schedule. There are even links to popular Internet sites
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***

And while we're on the subject of e-texts, another
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day's TV Barn posting, including the Pick to Click and
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full-length articles from the New York Times,
up-to-the-minute stories from Fox News, local weather,
stocks and movies from Yahoo!, and content from hundreds
of other suppliers. Including TV Barn!

***

While in New York earlier this month to profile Maria
Pope and Barbara Gaines, the two recently-promoted
show-runners at the "Late Show" -- look for that story
Wednesday at TV Barn -- I asked Pope about the "Campaign
2000" segments that have become, along with her pleasant
smile, a nightly fixture on the show.

Pope wasn't even an executive producer when the
"Campaign 2000" segments started in January. At the
time, show-runner Rob Burnett stood behind the podium.
But shortly after Letterman returned from heart surgery,
Burnett took off for Vancouver to shoot the pilot for
"Ed." That left Pope in charge.

"I certainly didn't ask to be put on the air," she said
from her sparsely decorated new office at the Ed
Sullivan Theater. "I just got swept up in the momentum.
(Dave) is very nice to me and he always knows exactly the
moment when to wrap it up."

One of the obvious appeals of "Campaign 2000" is its
unscripted feel. "If people like it, part of that may be
because you don't what it will be. And many nights
before the show starts, it's often the case that *none*
of us knows what it will be. You'll be busy all day then
at 5:20 you'll realize, `Holy crap!'"

But Letterman likes it that way, said Pope. "He would
never want to know what I wanted to talk about. If I
said to him before the show that this thing happened to
me with a cab driver, he'd say, `Oh, really?' and then
he'd say, `Never mind! Never mind! Save it for the
show.' And then it became reacting in the moment."

Originally, the segment was little more than Burnett
giving nightly updates on his attempts to get leading
political candidates, such as Hillary Clinton and George
W. Bush, onto the "Late Show." But after Bush crashed and
burned during a February satellite feed, Letterman temporarily lost
interest in having candidates on his show. Yet "Campaign 2000" continued.

"I started making plans to have Bush in the studio. Dave
said, `Nah, I'm kinda sick of the campaign. Let's talk
about other things,'" said Pope.

Lately, the pendulum has swung back again, and Letterman
and Pope have begun hashing out the details of a "Late
Show Great Debate" they hope to have on the show this
fall.  Al Gore has already agreed to appear; it's the
Bush camp that's holding things up.  (Can you blame them?)

"Here we are, fleshing out this `Late Show Great Debate'
on the air, and I'm thinking, shouldn't we be having a
*meeting* or something?" Pope said, laughing. "To watch
Dave do this, for all intents and purposes, live in the
moment of a TV show ... I just stand on the podium
thinking, `How do you *do* that?'"

On the day NBC picked up "Ed," Burnett relinquished his
day-to-day chores at the "Late Show" and Letterman
promoted Gaines and Pope. Pope said she got a bouquet of
flowers from Letterman foil and fill-in host Kathie Lee
Gifford. The card read, "You go, girl!" And she has.

***

Speaking of "Campaign 2000," reader Karen Knauerhase
asks, "Why does announcer Alan Kalter meow all of the
time?  We must have missed the reference somewhere."

There was no reference; Kalter just started doing it one
night at the behest, TV Barn has learned, of one David
Letterman. Our CBS spokesfriend confirms that many of
the odd little things said and done by the red-headed
announcer and self-styled "Ladies Man" have come out of
Letterman's fertile imagination.

Hurray for that, writes reader Jeff Robbins.

"I too am finding myself tuning in more often to
Letterman. I attribute a lot of this to the role played
by Alan Kalter in 'Campaign 2000.' Kalter's role
represents to me when Letterman is at his best -- when
he is the man in the suit surrounded by craziness. What
made Letterman on NBC often so good was the feeling that
so much unexplainable stuff was going on -- audio guy Al
Frisch debating Larry (Bud) Melman, or Chris Elliott
doing Marlon Brando doing the 'bananas dance,' or Anton
Fig devouring his pet bird. On CBS, when the show tried
to replace these supporting characters with real-life
characters like Rupert Jee, Letterman had to assume the
role of the odd guy. That's a role he just can't pull
off. Thankfully, Alan Kalter is filling a little bit of
that role. His recent rendition of 'Send in the Clowns'
was hilariously bizarre. I also like that Paul Shaffer
is now given more camera time. He's too good to waste."

***

I know it seems that all I'm writing about these days is
Dave, Dave, Dave, but in my defense, what I'm really
doing most evenings is working on BUTV.  I set the
trusty ReplayTV to record Letterman's show, then skip
through it the next day.  Once I finish this book, I'll
go back to a more equitable regimen of TV watching.

In the meantime, it's only fair to note that the
late-night show without a "Campaign 2000" segment is the
one that cleaned up during the August political
conventions. NBC reports that the "Tonight Show with Jay
Leno" scored a third more viewers during the Democratic
convention and 11 percent more viewers during the GOP
get-together compared with four years ago. Boosted by an
appearance by the Gore clan, Leno's show averaged 5.2
million viewers during the Dems' week in Los Angeles.
And that was despite a 45-minute delay on Monday night,
when President Clinton's speech ran over, and the
absence of a Dick Morris toe-sucking scandal.

***

My column on Fox News hosting a 4-way presidential
debate prompted several thoughtful letters. Glenn
Leavell writes, "I was surprised that you didn't mention
Harry Browne, the Libertarian Party candidate for
President. Unlike Nader (and Buchanan, I believe),
Browne will be on the ballot in all 50 states. The 15%
rule aside, I believe that any of the candidates who
will be on the ballot in all 50 states should be
included in the debates."

Actually, I agree on this point. Ideally any candidate
that has a mathematical possibility of being elected
should be invited to the debate. In 1996, that numbered
all of six candidates. And don't worry about the viewers
-- having all those people in the same room won't be too
mind-boggling. (Anybody watch "Friends"?) It seems to me
that if Americans could survive the 1992
vice-presidential debate -- where Ross Perot's running
mate, Admiral James Stockdale, showed himself a lousy
extemporaneous speaker but an endearing soul -- then we
could survive a 6-way, or 8-way, presidential debate.

Time's Jim Poniewozik writes, "I'd take exception with
one point: that wiring the third-party candidates into a
2-man debate would make Ailes's Fox look less biased in
favor of the Republicans. The inclusion of the third
parties is currently a major sticking point in the
debate over the debates -- and it's the Bush camp that
most wants to include them. There are various theories:
that the Bush team feels that a four-way split would
insulate their man from damage by Gore, an accomplished
debater; that they feel the inclusion of Buchanan would
make Bush seem more moderate and the inclusion of Nader
will force Gore to pander to his liberal base, leaving
Bush the sweet, voter-rich center; or that Bush just
doesn't want to debate much if at all, and so is using
this suggestion to tie up negotiations with the Gore
camp, hopefully making it look like it's the Gore folks
who don't want a debate.

"Having a 4-way debate would probably result in a
broader and less mushy airing of issues. But given the
political realities today, I don't think Ailes would get
any balance brownie points for engineering it. If
anything, it would be more of a move against type for
CNN or MSNBC, both of whom have been charged with
pro-Dem bias, to do this."

Point well taken, except that one could turn those
theories on their head. Like the one about Buchanan
making Bush seem more moderate; why wouldn't Nader's
presence do the same for Gore? After all, Nader's
argument is that the Republicrats are indistinguishable
from each other. But Gore could answer that by staking
out middle turf between Nader and Bush. As Clinton showed
in the '92 debates, good things can happen when you
triangulate.

On a related note, reader Sean McCord has a suggestion
that Gore might want to consider adding to his campaign
reform package: product placement. He writes, "I'll give
you an example: did you see Al Gore' acceptance speech?
Do you remember this line? (I'm paraphrasing): 'We sent
a man to the moon in a capsule with less computing power
than we now carry in a Palm Pilot!' At this point, Al
could have whipped out his own Palm Pilot (I'm sure he
carries one) and checked his task list ('Accept
nomination ... check!'). Or when Gore declared that the
GOP's proposed tax reforms 'would have left the poorest
Americans with just enough money at the end of the week
to buy a Diet Coke.' Here, Al could have popped open a
can of Diet Coke and, before an audience of millions,
gulped down a satisfied swig. Sales would have shot
through the roof! It's an idea, I believe, whose time is
overripe." Good choice of words, there, Sean ...

Christopher Neuman writes, "I see that 'American High'
has been cancelled by Fox after just two weeks. What the
...? You and others have decried the hyper-short
attention span of TV executives who expect viewers to
flock to a new thing nanoseconds after it hits the
airwaves, and promptly yank it before they can even gain
a toehold. And here, it looks more vindictive than
anything else. C'mon, it's summer! Fox is putting this
doc up against 'Big Brother,' which has a massive
lead-in on Wednesdays thanks to the Survivor juggernaut!
What the hell else will Fox put in there -- 'When Teens
Get It On?'"

In Fox's defense -- and it's not much of one -- they are
trying to repair their relationship with advertisers,
who are still smarting from Fox's disastrous fall launch
last year. So unlike stronger networks, Fox is not in
much of a position to keep a low-rated show on its
airwaves very long. Even during the formerly
uncompetitive summer season.

Paul Murray writes, "The CBS affiliate here in Detroit
can't be bothered to put on a local newscast. Yet they
had a special 7:30 p.m. installment of their excuse of a
news program ('In-Depth Detroit') devoted entirely to
the local tryouts for 'Survivor II.' We might as well
hook a generator up to Ed Murrow's body -- it's spinning
so fast we could generate enough electricity to power a
small city."

Regarding "Survivor" winner Richard Hatch, I wrote, "It
was impossible to tell if he ever expressed one sincere
thought on television." That prompted this from the
always-sincere Michael Jones: "Well, he did say he was a
man of understanding. And I'm sure he easily grasped the
concept that sincerity and prime-time television are a
toxic mix. He played the medium just right. That said, I
do think he was genuine when he mentioned wanting to win
the $1 million prize."


***

Tom Heald's TEST PATTERNS
<tomalhe@a...>

(featuring the excitement that was 1990)

	August 28: in 1990, Japan levels an assault on American
	children's brains and their parents' wallets -- the
	poorly dubbed, chop-socky "educational" TV show "Mighty
	Morphin' Power Rangers" on Fox.

	August 29: in 1965, "Meet the Press" ends a run of 18
	years of public service in prime-time. After tonight it
	will head to Sunday mornings on NBC.

	August 30: in 1990, Chris Stevens meets a literate
	"brother" named Bernard who turns out to be his real
	half-brother, while Dr. Fleischman meets "Bigfoot," aka
	the antisocial Adam Arkin, on a very special "Northern
	Exposure."

	August 31: in 1998, PAX TV launches -- and with it "The
	Love Boat" relaunches, in reruns, on the family-friendly
	channel. Wall Street welcomes the seventh network by
	sending the Dow Industrials plummeting a near-record 512
	points.

	September 1: in 1992, ABC hires Joshua Brand and John
	Falsey to rip off "Northern Exposure," their hit at CBS.
	They oblige with "Going To Extremes," a medical school
	drama set on the exotic Caribbean isle of Jantique (aka
	Jamaica). Unfortunately the only real extremes are in
	the title, and it goes away in January.

	September 2: in 1963, while Mike Wallace takes over "The
	Morning Show," now called the "CBS Morning News," former
	morning anchor Walter Cronkite see the "CBS Evening
	News" doubled in length, becoming network TV's first
	half-hour nightly newscast.  Helping Cronkite kill the
	extra time tonight is President Kennedy.

	September 3: in 1990, "To Tell The Truth" returns to
	daytime network TV after 20 years for another run with
	the graceful Kitty Carlisle-Hart still hairsprayed to
	her chair. Gordon Elliott hosts this new NBC version for
	a whopping two months before regular panelist Lynn Swann
	is inserted into the host's chair.

	September 4: in 1994, it's a night of big Fox premieres
	for "Wild Oats," "Fortune Hunter," and "Hardball" -- a
	Gen-X sex-com with Paul Rudd, a James Bond spoof, and a
	baseball comedy with Rose Marie. They are respectively
	canceled in four, five and eight weeks.

	[Thanks to David Tanny, Greg Stanko, Karen Kanter, and
	Brooks/Marsh/McNeil. Memo to Gloria Gaynor: You can go
	away now.]

From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 0:19am
Subject: This Week at the TV Barn 8/28/00 pt. 2 of 2

THE LINEUPS
with Sue Trowbridge <http://www.interbridge.com>
and Tom Heald


LATE SHOW WITH DAVID LETTERMAN, CBS

Mo 8/28 Mary Tyler Moore, Papa Roach
Tu 8/29 Ricki Lake, Adam Ferrara
We 8/30 Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, Laetitia Casta
Th 8/31 Tony Bennett, Diana Krall
Fr 9/1 D.L. Hughley, Chef Ron Siegal

Mo 9/4 Dwight Yoakam
Tu 9/5 Renee Zellweger
We 9/6 Jamie Foxx, Ben Harper



THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO, NBC

Mo 8/28 Howard Stern, Tobey Maguire, Vertical Horizon (R 2/21/00)
Tu 8/29 Martin Sheen, Sandra Bullock, Penn & Teller (R 4/19/00)
We 8/30 Harrison Ford, Michael Johnson, Busta Rhymes (R 7/28/00)
Th 8/31 Mel Gibson, Claire Forlani, Blue Man Group (R 6/29/00)
Fr 9/1 Tom Cruise, Tracey Ullman, Stone Temple Pilots (R 5/18/00)

Mo 9/4 George Clooney, the Padded Lillies synchronized swimmers, 
Dogstar (R 7/13/00)
Tu 9/5 Jamie Lee Curtis, Stacy Dragila, Sixpence None the Richer
We 9/6 Howie Mandel



LATE LATE SHOW WITH CRAIG KILBORN, CBS

Mo 8/28 Monica, Chris Connelly, Mike Grayson (R 6/6/00)
Tu 8/29 Carmen Electra, skateboarder Tony Hawk, Stone Temple Pilots (R 7/5/00)
We 8/30 Mena Suvari, Ian Gomez, Paul Rodgers (R 7/20/00)
Th 8/31 Jason Biggs, Everclear, Art Alexakis (R 7/21/00)
Fr 9/1 Shawn and Marlon Wayans, Lori Heuring, Convoy (R 7/7/00)

Mo 9/4 Graham Nash, Claire Forlani, Greg Fitzsimmons (R 6/ /00)
Tu 9/5 Michael Boatman, Kate Bosworth, Wheatus (R 7/ /00)
We 9/6 William Shatner, Ray Park, Shelby Lynne (R 7/ /00)
Th 9/7 Kevin Nealon, Traylor Howard, NBA expert Mike Grayson (R 6/ /00)
Fr 9/8 Kathy Griffin, "Survivor" contestant Jenna Lewis (R 7/ /00)



LATE NIGHT WITH CONAN O'BRIEN, NBC

Mo 8/28 Michael Rapaport, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Tony V (R 5/18/00)
Tu 8/29 Ethan Hawke, Jerry Springer, Supergrass (R 5/11/00)
We 8/30 Jane Leeves, Jon Lovitz, A Perfect Circle (R 5/16/00)
Th 8/31 Kyle MacLachlan, Britney Spears, Guided by Voices (R 5/9/00)
Fr 9/1 Nathan Lane, Rachel Dratch, Loudon Wainwright III (R 6/6/00)

Mo 9/4 William H. Macy, Marie Osmond, Marah (R 5/19/00)
Tu 9/5 Jarod Miller, Craig Ferguson, Bebel Gilberto
We 9/6 Al Franken, Judge Mills Lane, Jann Wenner



LATER WITH CYNTHIA GARRETT, NBC

Mo 8/28 TBA



THE CHARLIE ROSE SHOW, PBS
Please note that Charlie Rose listings are very tentative

Mo 8/28 Human Genome Special Part I with J. Craig Venter (R 6/19/00)
Tu 8/29 Human Genome Special Part II with Dr. Francis Collins (R 6/20/00)
We 8/30 Human Genome Special Part III with Dr. James Watson, Dr. 
Harold Varmus, Dr. Arnold Levine, Dr. Savio Woo (R 6/21/00)
Th 8/31 Human Genome Special Part IV with Dr. William Haseltine, 
Viren Mehta, Nicholas Wade, Richard Preston (R 6/22/00)
Fr 9/1 Human Genome Special Part V (R 6/23/00)

Mo 9/4 Garth Brooks



POLITICALLY INCORRECT WITH BILL MAHER, ABC

Mo 8/28 D.L. Hughley, Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio, inmate Stephen 
Russo, Amnesty International's Dr. William Schulz (R 5/1/00)
Tu 8/29 John Fugelsang, inmates Lorna Hudson and Tyrus Jones, Barbara 
Olson (R 5/2/00)
We 8/30 David Spade, inmates Cindy Shill and Freddie Mendez, Judge 
Greg Mathis (R 5/3/00)
Th 8/31 Daryl Mitchell, officer Maria Martinez, Mike Farrell, inmate 
Rubin Becarra (R 5/4/00)
Fr 9/1 Paul Rodriguez, inmate John Conley, James "Mad Dog" Wozniak, 
officer David R. Glee (R 5/5/00)

Mo 9/4 TBA
Tu 9/5 Bruce Vilanch, Jon Cryer, Tamala Jones



THE DAILY SHOW WITH JON STEWART, Comedy Central

Mo 8/28 Rerun TBA
Tu 8/29 Rerun TBA
We 8/30 Rerun TBA
Th 8/31 Rerun TBA

Mo 9/4 Rerun TBA

THE CHRIS ROCK SHOW
     HBO (now Fridays at Midnight)
Fr 9/1 Divorce Court host Mayblean Ephraim / Common
Fr 9/8 Jamie Foxx / musical guest TBD
     HBOZone (11 PM ET, nightly repeats)
Mo 8/28 Lisa Nicole Carson / The Beastie Boys (11/27/98)
Tu 8/29 Mayor Willie Brown
We 8/30 TBA
Th 8/31 Spike Lee / D'angelo
Fr 9/1 Taye Diggs / The Roots


DAVID CROSS: THE PRIDE IS BACK, HBO Comedy
Fr 9/1  3:25 AM


DENNIS MILLER LIVE
     HBO Comedy (nightly 11 PM)
Mo 8/28 Henry Rollins on Angry People (12/09/94)
Tu 8/29 Martina Navratilova on Homosexuality (12/16/94)
We 8/30 Bob Costas on Pro Sports Strikes (12/23/94)
Th 8/31 Molly Ivins on What's right with America (12/30/94)
Fr 9/1 Charlie Sheen on Criticism (1/06/95)
Mo 9/4 Fran Lebowitz on Civility (1/13/95)
Tu 9/5 Sharon Stone on Women in Hollywood (1/20/95)


THE LARRY SANDERS SHOW (nightly at 11:30 PM)
Mo 8/28 "Conflict of Interest" Jennifer Aniston, Andy Kindler, Beck (9/27/95)
Tu 8/29 "I Was a Teenage Lesbian" Michael Boatman, Brett Butler (10/11/95)
We 8/30 "Larry's On Vacation"Gloria Steinem, Sandra Bernhard, Julianna
Margulies (11/22/95)
Th 8/31 "Everybody Loves Larry" Jon Stewart, Elvis Costello, David Duchovny
(11/13/96)
Fr 9/1 "My Name is Asher Kingsley" Tom Poston, They Might Be Giants (11/20/96)
Mo 9/4 "Where is the Love?" Sally Field, Sting, Jake Johannsen, Tom Shales
(11/27/96)
Tu 9/5 "Ellen, or Isn't She?" Ellen Degeneres (12/11/96)
     HBO Plus (weekly at 10 & 10:30 PM)
We 8/30 "Larry's Sitcom" Chris Elliott, Jennie Garth, Kevin Nealon
(10/18/95); "Larry's Big Idea" Courteney Cox David Letterman (10/25/95)


MAD TV, FOX
Sa 9/2 Tyra Banks


THE MAN SHOW, Comedy Central
Su 9/3 Take a special Man Show look at the world of politics as Adam and
Jimmy pose the question, What if a woman were president?


MR SHOW WITH BOB AND DAVID
     HBOComedy (midnight)
Mo 8/28 "Patriotism, Pepper, and Professionalism"
Tu 8/29 The Best of Mr. Show
We 8/30 "Eat Rotten Fruit From a Sh**ty Tree"
Th 8/31 "Like Chickens...Delicious Chickens"
Fr 9/1 "We Regret To Inform You"
Mo 9/4 "Who Let You In"
Tu 9/5 "The Velveteen Touch of a Dandy Fop"


OPEN MIKE with Mike Bullard, CTV Comedy Channel
Mo 8/28 John Paul Jones, Playboy centerfold Katia Corriveau, Cracker
Tu 8/29 This Hour Has 22 Minutes actress Cathy Jones, CBC Jazz Guy Ross
Porter, Lorrie Church
We 8/30 Blue Jays Slugger Carlos Delgado, American Psycho actress Krista
Sutton, Night Sun
Th 8/31 Richard Karn, Margaret Cho, Shelby Lynne
Fr 9/1 Scott Hamilton, ROB TV actress Amanda Lang, the Violent Femmes


THE PAULA POUNDSTONE SHOW, HBO Comedy (Episode four)
We 8/30 10:30 PM

PAULA POUNDSTONE: CATS, COPS AND STUFF, HBO Comedy
Fr 9/1 3 PM & overnight 5:45am
Su 9/3 12:30 PM


SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE, NBC
Sa 9/2 Joshua Jackson / *Nsync
Sa 9/9 The Best of Tim Meadows


SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE, Comedy Central (reruns)
Mo 8/28 Noon Sara Gilbert / Counting Crows (1993-'94) HiberNol, Simon, Gap
girls, Blossom, Adam Sandler's "Lunch Lady Land," Rob Schneider's Girlfriend
Theater, EuroDisney, 20 Questions With Bryant Gumbel
     1 PM Helen Hunt / Snoop Doggy Dog + Cindy Crawford (1993-'94) Rockers To
Help Explain Whitewater, Total Bastard Airlines, Coffee Talk, Bennett Brauer,
Profiles in Cowardice, Mike Judge's "Milton" in "Office Space" part 2, Rob
Schneider's Girlfriend Theater
     6 PM Damon Wayans / Dionne Farris (1994-'95) Men On Film, Jeff Foxworthy,
Perspectives, "Cirque du Soleil", Christopher Walken for Skittles
     Midnight Miranda Richardson / Soul Asylum (1992-'93) Pat in "The Crying
Game," Barry Green, MTV Spring Break U.K. '93, Russell Simmons' Def Magic
Show Jam
     overnight 2 AM Fred Savage / Technotronic (1989-'90) Church Chat, The Pat
Stevens Show, Space Shuttle delays
     overnight 3 AM John Goodman / Mary J. Blige + The Bravados (1992-'93)
Makin Copies at Waco, Wilson countersink flanges, Bear & Ox, Linda Richman,
Soylent Green director, How'd You Do That?

Tu 8/29 Noon Martin Lawrence / Crash Test Dummies (1993-'94)Jeff Gillooly,
Daily Affirmation, Hollywood Minute, Thugs
     1 PM Alec Baldwin / Beastie Boys + Christian Slater (1994-'95) Joycelyn
Elders, L.A. Breast & Penis, Rookie Cop, Young & The Youthful
     6 PM Paul Reiser / Annie Lennox (1994-'95) Road To The Final Four, "Jeff
Foxworthy," Daily Affirmation, Mad About You Aliens, One Brother Restaurant,
O'Callahan & Son Pub
     8 PM Teri Hatcher / Dave Matthews Band (1995-'96) Unabomer, Mary
Katherine Gallagher, The Princess & The Homeboy, Spartan Spirits, Spade in
America, Joe Blow news
     9 PM Matthew Broderick / Natalie Merchant & Tenacious D + Regis Philbin
(1996-'97) Ladies' Man, The View, Pretty Living, Celine Dion, Tony Blair
     Midnight Kirstie Alley / Lenny Kravitz (1992-'93) "Fire Bad," fake cast
of Cheers, Mmmph?, The Friendly Italians, Montel Williams, Zoraida,  Tom
Schiller's "While The City Sweeps"
     overnight 2 AM Kiefer Sutherland / Skid Row (1991-'92) William Kennedy
Smith jurors, "How To Handle A Woman," Daily Affirmation, Kiddie Metal, All
Things Scottish
     overnight 3 AM Susan Lucci / Hot House Flowers + Gene Rayburn (1990-'91)
Classic Bitch & Lezbo razors, hosts nightmare, Regis & Kathie Lee, All My
Luggage, Game Breakers, Great Love Stories

We 8/30 Noon Kelsey Grammer/ Dwight Yoakam + Sy Sperling + Manute Bol
(1993-'94) Inhibited Dance Party USA, Sunday Morning with Charles Kuralt,
20,000 Leagues Under The Sea, Captain Jim & Pedro, Something Smells Good in
Stinkville
     1 PM Tom Arnold / Tupac (1995-'96) The Life We Lead, Joe Blow, Adam
Sandler sings about his grandmother, Miracles of Science w/Braniac
     6 PM Quentin Tarantino / The Smashing Pumpkins (1995-'96) BugOff, The
Spartan Spirits, Stan Hooper bible expert, Directors on Directing, The Fops,
Leg Up, Spade in America, All Aboard!
     overnight 2 AM Michael J. Fox / Black Crowes (1990-'91) Back From The
Future, America's Most Wanted, A. Whitney Brown, Daily Affirmation, Sting's
elevator fans
     overnight 3 AM Jeff Daniels / Color Me Badd (1991-'92) Johnny Carson's
retirement, 8 monologue moves, Earthies, Making Copies, The Chris Farley
Show, Community College Bowl

Th 8/31 Noon Bill Pullman / New Edition + Adam McKay (1996-'97) Bob Dole's
ID4, Home Security Decoys, Tic Tac Toe, The Rules Show, Fun With Real Audio-
Clinton & Bob Dole, Harry Caray, Hollywood Party, Hidden Camera
     1 PM Deion Sanders / Bon Jovi + Manute Bol (1994-'95) - O.J. Trial Field
Trip, ESPY Awards, Operaman, Perspectives
     6 PM Alec Baldwin / Tina Turner + Howard Stern (1996-'97) Late Show with
David Letterman, Roxbury Guys, Mary Katherine Gallagher, Fun With Real Audio-
Tom Snyder, The Gossip Show Long Island phone sex, Don & Reggie, Bill Brasky
     Midnight Christopher Walken / Bonnie Raitt (1989-'90) Tonight Show w/
Andrew Dice Clay & Gorbachev, host sings, Attitudes, Annoying Man, Lease With
An Option To Kill
     overnight 2 AM Bruce Willis / Neil Young (1989-'90) host sings "Pep
Talk," Wayne's World, Anal Retentive Craftsman, Sprockets
     overnight 3 AM Candice Bergen / Notting Hillbillies (1989-'90) Bush - "no
huge new taxes," "Candy," Toonces, The Tonight Show, Colon Blow, Wayne's World

Fr 9/1 Noon Corbin Bernsen / The Smithereens (1989-'90) Brent Musberger
Shopping Network, George F. Will's Sports Machine, Grumpy Old Man, Playgirl
models
     1 PM Jeremy Irons / Fishbone + Razor Ruddock (1990-'91) Pumping Up With
Hans & Franz, McIntosh Jr. Makin' Copies!, Wayne's World Oscar picks Sherlock
Holmes, Chris Rock on New Jack City, "Football Days" -- a Jennifer Meyer film
     6 PM Bill Murray / Percy Sledge + Marc Shaiman (1986-'87) Il Returno De
Hercules, Donahue, Nick the Lounge Singer, Compulsion
     11 PM Chris Rock / The Wallflowers + Dana Carvey (1996-'97) Excedril, I'm
Chillin,' The Dark Side with Nat X, Mark Russell's Election Year Comedy
Special, Charles Grodin Show, Ambiguously Gay Duo, retiring Norm MacDonald's
Bob Dole impression, The Singing Mohan-Culps, Russell Simmons' Def Emergency
Room Jam, Perspectives
     overnight 2 AM Miranda Richardson / Soul Asylum (1992-'93) Pat in "The
Crying Game," Barry Green, MTV Spring Break U.K. '93, Russell Simmons' Def
Magic Show Jam
     overnight 3 AM John Lithgow / Tracy Chapman (1988-'89) Oprah's diet, Dog
confessional, Master Thespian's Hamlet, The Pat Stevens Show, The Alamo

Sa 9/2 4 PM Sting / Veruca Salt + Mark Hamill + Trudie Styler (1996-'97) Mr.
Peepers, Evita, The Laid Back Neutral MC's, Don & Eddie Shopping Network,
Colin Quinn's St. Patrick's Day message, Brendan Boyle Show, Race & Racism

Su 9/3 4:30PM Steve Martin / Eric Clapton + Brian Austin Green + Roger
Clemens, Bobby Bonilla, Jack McDowell (1994-'95) Clinton auditions, Home
Headache Test, Total Bastard Airlines, Ron Wood Show, Super Sports Tours
     overnight 1 AM Scott Wolf / Natalie Imbruglia (1997-'98) Mary Katherine
Gallagher, Celine Dion Show, Spartan Spirits
     overnight 2 AM John Goodman / Paula Cole + Dan Aykroyd (1997-'98) Linda
Tripp, The Blues Brothers Morning Latte, Clinton at Mount Sinai, Clinton
(DAH) seeks loophole in anti-adultery Commandment, Nagano Olympics,
X-Presidents & X-First Ladies, William Ginsburg, Judge Judy, Martha Stewart,
Storytellers- Neil Diamond
     overnight 3 AM Glenn Close / The Gipsy Kings + William Hurt (1988-'89)
Big Red, Pumping Up With Hans & Franz, Dennis Miller sings Cat Stevens' "I'm
Being Followed By A Big Muslim," Master Thespian

Mo 9/4 Midnight Chevy Chase / Lisa Loeb & Nine Stories + Father Guido
Sarducci (1995-'96) NFL on NBC with O.J., Lobotol, Althea, The Blame Game,
70's prom, Gangsta Bitch Barbie, The Mark Fuhrman Show, Spade in America,
Lampreys
     overnight 2 AM Kirstie Alley / Lenny Kravitz (1992-'93) "Fire Bad," fake
cast of Cheers, Mmmph?, The Friendly Italians, Montel Williams, Zoraida,  Tom
Schiller's "While The City Sweeps"
     overnight 3 AM Mark Harmon / Suzanne Vega (1986-'87) New Charlie's
Angels, People's Sexiest Man Alive, Richard Goldstone fim - "Dave's Party,"
Very Smart Theater, Myowling Bible, Einstein Express, Spawning Season, Ad
Council


Tu 9/5 Noon Shannen Doherty / Cypress Hill (1993-'94) Operaman, Crystal
Gravy, The Real World, The Denise Show, Is It Date Rape?, The Relapse Guy
     1 PM Chevy Chase / Robbie Robertson (1991-'92) Wayne's World, C-Span
Covers the Election
     6 PM Rob Lowe / Spice Girls + Joe Pesci & Robert DeNiro (1996-'97)
Nightline, Joe Pesci Show, Food, Sex, or Cars?!, Goth Talk, X-Presidents,
Mickey The Dyke's new Ellen-inspired lesbian shows, Perspectives, La Politica
Non Correcto
     Midnight Steve Martin / Eric Clapton + Brian Austin Green + Roger
Clemens, Bobby Bonilla, Jack McDowell (1994-'95) Clinton auditions, Home
Headache Test, Total Bastard Airlines, Ron Wood Show, Super Sports Tours
     overnight 2 AM Christopher Walken / Bonnie Raitt (1989-'90) Tonight Show
w/ Andrew Dice Clay & Gorbachev, host sings, Attitudes, Annoying Man, Lease
With An Option To Kill
     overnight 3 AM Garry Shandling / Los Lobos (1986-'87) Iran-Contra
hearings. host screws up a department store sketch, Sold-Out Gold & Bronze,
Babette's Teeny Cafe, Support Group, Dr. Daniel Rudolph -- Cat Dentist


TRACEY TAKES ON....
     HBO Comedy
Mo 8/28 Religion (2/15/98)
Tu 8/29 Man's Best Friend (2/22/98)
We 8/30 Culture (3/01/98)
     + 11:45 AM Culture (3/01/98)
Th 8/31 Sports (3/08/98)
Fr 9/1 Drugs
     + 6 AM Drugs
Sa 9/2 Scandal
     + 8:30 AM Vanity
Su 9/3 Hair
     + 9:30 AM Death
Mo 9/4 Lies
Tu 9/5 Erotica
     HBO Plus
Tu 8/29 5:45 AM Vanity (3/06/96)
     HBO Signature
Tu 8/29 12:30 PM Charity (1/31/96)
Fr 9/1  6:30PM Supernatural


TURN BEN STEIN ON, Comedy Central (Thursdays at 10:30 PM)
Th 8/31 Todd McFarlane tells Ben the truth behind the super powers that
people have in real life and those that are fiction.


UPRIGHT CITIZEN'S BRIGADE, Comedy Central (Friday overnights at 1:30 AM)
Fr 9/1 The UCB infests a theme restaurant with a swarm of mutated comedians
from the Friars Club.


Also on late nights:
BET TONIGHT WITH TAVIS SMILEY, BET
THE CINDY MARGOLIS SHOW, syndicated
DIE HARALD SCHMIDT SHOW, SAT.1
EXHALE, OXYGEN
HOWARD STERN, E!
THE HOWARD STERN RADIO SHOW, CBS and syndicated
LOVELINE, MTV
NIGHTLINE, ABC
UP TO THE MINUTE, CBS
TONIGHT SHOW, LATE NIGHT, and SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE reruns, NBC All Night
WORLD NEWS NOW, ABC  and cybercast at
      <http://abcnews.go.com/onair/wnn/index.html>
THE X SHOW, FX

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From: Hoodoo  <hoodoo@newnorth.net>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 11:12am
Subject: Re: CBS Radford Facility

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Jeffries" <mjeffries@k...>

> However, there is an error in the page.  If Mascot and Monogram merged to form
> Republic, I'd be surprised, since Monogram was around at the same time
Republic
> was as a B picture studio (best known nowadays for the Bowery Boys series).
> Sometime in the 50s, they changed their name to Allied Artists and tried to
> trade up, but weren't really successful (although the last film I can remember
> with the Allied Artists name on it was John Huston's "The Man Who Would Be
> King").  Lorimar eventually acquired their library and now Time Warner owns
it,
> which is why you can see Bowery Boys movies on TCM.


I searched at found the information below. I realized when I pasted it into this
message, it was longer than I thought. I hope no one minds it as I thought it'd
be easier to paste it here than hoping others interested in it would navigate to
the webpage.

Bill
=========================

From the webpage at:
http://www.kcet.org/inside_kcet/history/

Monogram/Allied Artists

The Monogram years were the most important ones in the pre-KCET history of the
property. This is the studio where many of the Charlie Chan and East Side Kids
series were produced. Johnny Mack Brown made more than 60 Westerns for Monogram
during this era; other westerns with cowboy trios, the Rough Riders and the
Trail Blazers, were also made by Monogram during World War II.

Many other genre films were produced in the Monogram years. Some were "A" films;
however most fell into the "B" (or "C" or "D") category. But they all added to
the rich history of the site.

By 1946 Steve Broidy, the company president, announced the formation of Allied
Artists, a subsidiary company to handle Monogram's better feature productions.
The first production for Allied Artists was It Happened On Fifth Avenue. In the
1950s, Allied Artists produced some memorable horror films including the classic
Invasion of the Body Snatchers, as well as Attack of the Fifty Foot Woman and
The Indestructible Man. Wichita was a Western made here in the 1950s; Screaming
Eagles and Hold Back the Night were war films.
In 1957-59 Allied Artists lost a lot of money and was saved from bankruptcy only
by the success of the 1960 release Al Capone. However, making fewer and fewer
films and facing losses of several million dollars, Allied Artists all but
abandoned its role as a producer and concentrated on distributing films made
elsewhere. In 1964, Allied Artists moved to New York from the Hollywood lot. The
studio became a rental lot once again.
ColorVision

In 1967, Allied Artists sold the property to ColorVision. ColorVision did some
remodeling of the studios and continued to rent out the property. ColorVision
ran into financial difficulties and the property was put on the block for back
taxes. Community Television of Southern California, parent corporation of KCET,
made a bid for the lot in 1970, and thanks to a loan from the Ford Foundation
and a grant from the Michael Connell Foundation, we were able to close the deal
in 1971.

From: Mark Jeffries  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 6:25pm
Subject: Re[2]: CBS Radford Facility

>From the webpage at: http://www.kcet.org/inside_kcet/history/ Somehow, it's amusing that "Sex Kittens Go to College" and "Steambath" were both shot at the same facility. Something tells me that "The Andersonville Trial" was produced before KCET moved into the Monogram studios. Both "The Andersonville Trial" and "Steambath" were part of KCET's anthology series "Hollywood Television Theatre"--now there's something I wouldn't mind seeing on PBS again. Is it really too expensive to do those kinds of dramatic shows on public television nowadays? Mark Jeffries mjeffries@k... mjsaints@a...

From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 0:37am
Subject: Re: Aaron on CNN.com

I'd forgotten that I said, "Please, for the love of God, not David 
Hyde Pierce."

From: PGage@AOL.COM
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 8:48pm
Subject: NYPD Dividends

PGage writes...
I was among those who harbored ill will towards ABC for holding back NYPD 
until after football last year. I am still steamed that we will have to wait 
until January again (as I understand it) this season. But I have to admit 
that I did appreciate the steady diet of first run episodes through the 
winter and spring. An unexpected bonus has been that it is noticeably more 
satisfying to watch summer reruns when you are only seeing an episode for the 
2nd time (as opposed to the third or even fourth time, as with most popular 
TV shows).

I wonder if enough other viewers have found first time summer reruns of NYPD 
as satisfying as I have to show up in an increase in their summer ratings as 
compared with the same period last year.

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 9:20pm
Subject: Worlds Wldest Police Chases to return... (sigh)

[Frankly I was pumped up for Henry Rollins, but hey blame it on the failure 
of "Ryan Caufield:Year One"/"Harsh Realm" -- Tom.]

Fox Broadcasting Co. has pulled the reality series "Police Videos" off the 
shelf after opting to hold its new Friday anthology series "Night Visions" 
back for a midseason launch. The reshuffling will push the new series 
"Freakylinks" back an hour to the 9 p.m. Friday slot, in which Warner Bros. 
TV's "Night Visions" had been set to air, while "Police" will lead off the 
night at 8 p.m. as of Oct. 6... Fox Entertainment president Gail Berman said 
the changes were made because the network was concerned about supporting two 
new series on Friday nights. "Police" is a proven property for the network 
that should provide a solid lead-in for "Freakylinks," a reality-bending 
drama about an eclectic group of friends who use a Web site to investigate 
strange and unusual phenomena. "We feel very good about both 'Freakylinks' 
and 'Night Visions,' " Berman said. "We think this scheduling is a better way 
to protect both shows."

From: Mark Jeffries  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 5:41pm
Subject: Re: Worlds Wldest Police Chases to return... (sigh)

>Fox Broadcasting Co. has pulled the reality series "Police Videos" off the >shelf after opting to hold its new Friday anthology series "Night Visions" >back for a midseason launch. The reshuffling will push the new series >"Freakylinks" back an hour to the 9 p.m. Friday slot, in which Warner Bros. >TV's "Night Visions" had been set to air, while "Police" will lead off the >night at 8 p.m. as of Oct. 6... Fox Entertainment president Gail Berman said >the changes were made because the network was concerned about supporting two >new series on Friday nights. "Police" is a proven property for the network >that should provide a solid lead-in for "Freakylinks," a reality-bending >drama about an eclectic group of friends who use a Web site to investigate >strange and unusual phenomena. "We feel very good about both 'Freakylinks' >and 'Night Visions,' " Berman said. "We think this scheduling is a better way >to protect both shows." Didn't Fox say they weren't doing those kind of reality shows anymore? Or was it Doug Herzog? Mark Jeffries mjeffries@k... mjsaints@a...

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 3:50pm
Subject: Re: Worlds Wldest Police Chases to return... (sigh)

> Didn't Fox say they weren't doing those kind of reality shows anymore?

Yes.

>  Or was it Doug Herzog?

They didn't actually expect you to pay attention. It is FOX after all. What 
time is Cosetello on?

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Sep 4, 2000 5:32pm
Subject: and we have this season's Rewind/Hollyweird/Manchester Prep

Friday September 1 7:32 PM ET
Comedian's illness puts Fox TV series on hold 



By Steve Gorman

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The premiere of a new Fox television comedy 
originally slated to debut this fall has been delayed indefinitely 
because its star, funnyman Robert Schimmel, is being treated for cancer, 
the network said Friday.

Schimmel, 49, was diagnosed this spring with non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, a 
disease that attacks white blood cells, and he has been undergoing 
chemotherapy treatments.

Because of his illness, the show for now ``is a question mark,'' a Fox 
spokeswoman said, adding that as soon as the standup comedian ``is up to 
speed, we're happy to proceed as planned.'' The show is to be loosely 
based on Schimmel's experiences as a father.

[And when they announced he had cancer earlier in the summer it they assured 
us it would have no affect on the show's schedule. -- Tom]

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 3:42pm
Subject: cough cough clerks cough cough

Jeff Bader, senior vice president of program planning and scheduling for ABC 
says "Networks tend to have a short fuse. Shows have to prove themselves 
before November or they get pulled. In this case, shows will have aired only 
once or twice. You'll probably see a little more patience this year. I assume 
people won't jump the gun."

From: Mark Jeffries  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 3:54pm
Subject: Re: cough cough clerks cough cough

>Jeff Bader, senior vice president of program planning and scheduling for ABC >says "Networks tend to have a short fuse. Shows have to prove themselves >before November or they get pulled. In this case, shows will have aired only >once or twice. You'll probably see a little more patience this year. I assume >people won't jump the gun." "Clerks" was already dead in the water when it premiered--Kevin Smith had already shot his mouth off on his web site when the show was delayed to summer from mid-season and had already pretty much made himself a persona non grata with ABC execs (and I assume that Stu Bloomberg is not as enthralled over the Weinsteins as Eisner is). Barring a 20 share or winning the time period, "Clerks"' fate was pretty much sealed on premiere night--they were just waiting for the numbers and were only doing enough promotion to fulfill contractual agreements. Mark Jeffries mjeffries@k... mjsaints@a...