From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 7:45am
Subject: Nick owns Noggin outright

NICKELODEON ACQUIRES SESAME WORKSHOP'S 50% INTEREST IN NOGGIN

Network Joins MTV Networks' Stable of Wholly Owned Channels

Noggin, Sesame Workshop Enter Multi-Year Production Agreement

Santa Monica, CA, August 7, 2002 - Nickelodeon and Sesame Workshop have
signed an agreement in which Nickelodeon has acquired Sesame Workshop's 50%
interest in Noggin, pending customary regulatory approvals, it was announced
today by Tom Freston, Chairman, MTV Networks. Mr. Freston also announced
that the 24-hour network for kids and tweens will be operated and managed by
Nickelodeon, reporting to Herb Scannell, President, Nickelodeon, TV Land and
The New TNN.

Launched in February 1998, Noggin is now seen more than 25 million homes via
cable, digital cable and satellite television, and will continue its mission
to educate and help kids figure out their lives and the world around them.
Noggin General Manager Tom Ascheim will continue to oversee the network's
day-to-day operations, reporting to Mr. Scannell. Noggin will maintain its
commercial-free format of award-winning preschool programming from 6 am-6 pm
followed by its tween-targeted block "The N" from 6 pm-6 am. Noggin will
also continue to operate its two websites for preschoolers (www.noggin.com)
and tweens (www.the-n.com) as key components in its programming philosophy.

"We are thrilled to have Noggin fully in our family," Freston said. "The
cable and satellite industry loves Noggin - it's got great distribution and
it's been a real asset in the marketing of digital television. Noggin is
another strong youth brand for our company to have under our umbrella. The
network does a terrific job connecting with young people."

Added Herb Scannell, "We are very proud of our relationship with Sesame
Workshop in conceiving and launching Noggin, and we look forward to
developing more original series for the network with them in the years to
come. Noggin has already experienced tremendous creative growth with its
fresh approach in developing original series such as "A Walk in Your Shoes,"
"Play With Me Sesame" and "Degrassi: The Next Generation" to complement its
award-winning library of programming from Sesame Workshop and Nickelodeon.
We look forward to continuing to build Noggin on its path to becoming a
leading channel for kids and tweens."

"We are very proud of our role in co-founding Noggin. It has created an
opportunity to make some of our best award-winning shows from our library
available again." said Gary Knell, President and CEO of Sesame Workshop.
"We felt the time was right to change our relationship with Nickelodeon and
use the proceeds from this transaction to launch research, development and
content around our exciting global agenda to foster respect and
understanding among children."
- more -

Nick Acquires Sesame Workshop 50% Interest in Noggin - Page 2

Nickelodeon has entered into a multi-year agreement for the development of
new original series for Noggin with Sesame Workshop. Noggin's programming
lineup will continue to feature the library of educational series from
Sesame Workshop, including prior seasons of its gold standard, Sesame
Street, for three more years. Play with Me Sesame, the new original
interactive program based on Sesame Street, will continue to be produced and
run exclusively on Noggin for seven years.

Noggin will also continue to feature co-produced series from Nickelodeon and
Sesame Workshop as part of its regular programming lineup. These series
include Sponk!, a comedy improvisational series for 8- to 12-year-olds that
helps kids develop their ability to solve problems, cooperate, and think
creatively; Tiny Planets, a fantastical comic adventure series that
stimulates the curiosity of children three to six about the world around
them; and Two Down Under, a program that uses the combined power of
television and the web to develop resilience in 9-14-year-olds.

In April, Noggin repositioned itself by extending its preschool programming
block and introducing a tween-targeted block. The daytime block (6 AM to 6
PM), titled "Noggin," features award-winning programming for preschoolers
including the new interactive program Play With Me Sesame as well as
acclaimed series such as Blue's Clues, Little Bear and the original Sesame
Street. The evening block (6 PM to 6 AM), titled "The N," introduced
original and acquired series targeted to and designed for tweens (ages
9-14), including Degrassi: The Next Generation, that offers honest,
true-to-life programming that speaks directly to that age group.

Nickelodeon, now in its 23rd year, is the number-one entertainment brand for
kids. It has built a diverse, global business by putting kids first in
everything it does. The company includes television programming and
production in the United States and around the world, plus consumer
products, online, recreation, books, magazines, music and feature films.
Nickelodeon's U.S. television network is seen in more than 85 million
households and has been the number-one-rated basic-cable network for more
than six consecutive years.

Sesame Workshop is a not-for-profit educational organization that stands
alone in its ability to creatively help meet major educational and
developmental needs that affect children around the world.  For over 30
years, the Workshop has created innovative and engaging media to help
children reach their highest potential.  The organization grounds its work
in research to understand how multi-media platforms help children learn,
develop and grow.  Best known as the creators of Sesame Street, Dragon Tales
and Sagwa, the Chinese Siamese Cat airing on PBS, the Workshop continues to
break new ground with Noggin, the only 24-hour kids' thinking channel.  Find
the Workshop online at www.sesameworkshop.org.

From: James Porteous  <porteous@interlog.com>
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 8:50am
Subject: Re: Mary Hartman MIA

I never understood the appeal of MHMH, either. It was indeed ground 
breaking and no doubt paved the way for shows like Fernwood, but I don't 
think I watched more than one episode the entire time it was on. I recall 
being in the minority at the time, but then again many viewers hated 
Fernwood with equal gusto.

James

At 10:23 PM 07/08/02 -0400, you wrote

>Having heard only rumors of "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman," but having seen
>folks like Debralee Scott and Patti Deutsch on "Match Game 7x," and of course
>loving everything I've ever seen of Martin Mull's, I tuned in for "MHMH" on
>the TV Land Kitschen. And I gotta say, this show either does not hold up
>well, or as a parody of awful soap operas of the 70s... it was excruciating
>to watch. And I mean awful, irritating, dull, and icky all in a bad way.
>
>"Fernwood/America 2 Night" I'm diggin' immensely, but I can see why "MHMH"
>might have been sampled only once by some viewers.
>
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From: PGage@AOL.COM
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 7:57am
Subject: Lousy Mouse House

PGage writes...
TVbarn has a link to the recent Slate piece on why Eisner should be fired (I 
love the line "But like Neil Diamond, Eisner has been living off his early 
hits for an awful long time"), and there is a similar piece in this morning's 
LA times. While his control fetish and outlandish compensation are obvious 
targets, it seems he would still be a wall street darling if ABC was 
performing bettter. I am curious if there is a magazine article or book out 
there somewhere that systematically examines the causes of ABC's decline? As 
a casual observer it seems that the over-relaince on WWTBAM is a big part of 
the problem - but there must be other factors, and explanations for the 
WWTBAM strategy. Where might one read more about this, and about the Mouse's 
chances of bouncing back?

    



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From: Anthony Foglia  <afoglia@physics.ucsb.edu>
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 1:51pm
Subject: Re: Lousy Mouse House

On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 PGage@A... wrote:

> I am curious if there is a magazine article or book out 
> there somewhere that systematically examines the causes of ABC's decline? As 
> a casual observer it seems that the over-relaince on WWTBAM is a big part of 
> the problem - but there must be other factors, and explanations for the 
> WWTBAM strategy. Where might one read more about this, and about the Mouse's 
> chances of bouncing back?

	I don't know of any other articles, but the other major 
contributor to ABC's decline was over-reliance on Touchstone Television 
productions.  Eisner demanded ABC air more stuff produced by Disney, when 
those shows weren't as good as shows from other producers, as a result, 
many outside producers felt that ABC is not worth dealing with.

	But keep in mind, I'm not anything like an insider, just a couch 
potato.

--Anthony

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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 1:54pm
Subject: RE: Lousy Mouse House

> On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 PGage@A... wrote:
> 
> > I am curious if there is a magazine article or book out 
> > there somewhere that systematically examines the causes of 
> ABC's decline? As 
> > a casual observer it seems that the over-relaince on WWTBAM 
> is a big part of 
> > the problem - but there must be other factors, and 
> explanations for the 
> > WWTBAM strategy. Where might one read more about this, and 
> about the Mouse's 
> > chances of bouncing back?
> 
> 	I don't know of any other articles, but the other major 
> contributor to ABC's decline was over-reliance on Touchstone 
> Television 
> productions.  Eisner demanded ABC air more stuff produced by 
> Disney, when 
> those shows weren't as good as shows from other producers, as 
> a result, 
> many outside producers felt that ABC is not worth dealing with.

Or Disney was demanding part ownership of outside producers' shows--although
it seems that *everyone* wants that nowadays--most of the networks' new
shows are owned or, in most cases, partly owned by the network or a division
of the corporation that owns the network.  ABC may've been unbending on
Disney part-ownership and the terms thereof.

And it should be pointed out that "Millionaire" is owned by Disney in North
America--and I honestly thought that Disney would've bought out the Celador
production company that created "Millionaire" by now.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 6:08pm
Subject: Govt. TIPS calls answered by "America's Most Wanted"

In Surreal Development, Bush Administration
Routes TIPS Calls to TV Show "America's Most Wanted"

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Tuesday, August 6, 2002

WASHINGTON - In a development bordering on what the American Civil
Liberties Union called "surreal," the on-line magazine Salon.com today
revealed that the Department of Justice is forwarding incoming Operation
TIPS calls to the Fox-owned "America's Most Wanted" television series.
"This is like retaining Arthur Andersen to do all of the SEC's
accounting," said Rachel King, an ACLU Legislative Counsel. "It's a
completely inappropriate and frightening intermingling of government
power and the private sector. What's next - the government hires Candid
Camera to do its video surveillance?"
"If it continues to cooperate with the government on Operation TIPS,
America's Most Wanted should move networks and rename itself 'Big
Brother,'" King said.
The author of the Salon article, David Lindorff, reportedly signed up
for TIPS more than a month ago, heard nothing and followed up last week
with a phone call to the Department of Justice, the agency responsible
for overseeing the proposed program. The department gave Lindorff
another phone number, which it said had been set up by the FBI. When he
dialed that number, Lindorff was greeted by a receptionist for
"America's Most Wanted," which features reenactments of unsolved crimes
and then asks the public to phone in leads and tips.
Shocked that the number did not connect to the FBI, Lindorff was told,
"We've been asked to take the FBI's TIPS calls for them." The ACLU today
said that, not only does the Operation TIPS program on its own pose
serious threats to the American ideal that neighbors not be expected to
inform on neighbors, but the program, when coupled with the power and
profit incentives of television, could enhance its resemblance to Big
Brother through sensationalism and the thirst for advertising revenue.
Even before its partnering with Fox Television, the Operation TIPS
program has come under a barrage of criticism from both the left and the
right. House Majority Leader Richard Armey (R-TX), one of the most
powerful and conservative members of Congress, introduced a measure in
his chamber's version of the Homeland Security legislation that would
prohibit the implementation of TIPS and other similar measures. Sen.
Patrick Leahy (D-VT), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, has
also opposed the proposal, saying "We could be vigilant, but we don't
want to be vigilantes."
"Why stop with America's Most Wanted?" King added. "If a sensational
story is what it was looking for, the Department of Justice should have
just hired Jerry Springer as its public information officer."
The Salon article can be found on-line at:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/08/06/tips/index_np.html
Copyright 2002, The American Civil Liberties Union


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Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 4:39pm
Subject: RE: Mary Hartman MIA

> At 10:23 PM 8/7/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >Having heard only rumors of "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman," 
> but having seen
> >folks like Debralee Scott and Patti Deutsch on "Match Game 
> 7x," and of course
> >loving everything I've ever seen of Martin Mull's, I tuned 
> in for "MHMH" on
> >the TV Land Kitschen. And I gotta say, this show either does 
> not hold up
> >well, or as a parody of awful soap operas of the 70s... it 
> was excruciating
> >to watch. And I mean awful, irritating, dull, and icky all 
> in a bad way.
> >
> >"Fernwood/America 2 Night" I'm diggin' immensely, but I can 
> see why "MHMH"
> >might have been sampled only once by some viewers.
> 
> MHMH was groundbreaking for it's time and did a lot for the 
> syndication 
> market but, to be honest, I never much cared for the show.  I 
> think a lot 
> of it's appeal was what it got away with, much like "Soap" 
> (although I 
> think "Soap" was a far funnier show).

If you saw the first two eps of "MHMH," you were immediately hooked because
they were brilliant.  Afterwards, the quality went up and down, just like
any daytime soap.  If you jumped into the show in the middle, you could very
well wonder what the hell all the fuss was about, especially as that second
and last (as "MHMH") season wore on.  But the show's highs were truly highs,
especially almost anything involving Mary Kay Place's Loretta Haggers
character, which is still one of my favorite television comedy characters.
It's a shame that Place has never done anything since that topped her work
on "MHMH."

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 2:06pm
Subject: Mondays with Morrie

According to the new batch of "Nightline 'UpClose'" listings, the Monday 
August 12, broadcast is "Morrie Schwartz, from best-seller 'Tuesdays with 
Morrie.'  The first in a series of three classic—and among the most often 
requested—“Nightline” broadcasts."

This past Monday was a rebroadcast of one of the "Left Behind" co-authors, 
from the PREVIOUS Monday, July 29, as it was preempted in some areas by 
runover from the Tiger Woods challenge. 

Given that "Monday Night Football" routinely runs long, does anyone else get 
the feeling that Mondays on "UpClose" may become a somewhat disposable "The 
Best of Ted" ala the original Johnny Carson 4-day work week?


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From: Keith Privett  <Keith@PRIVETT.COM>
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 7:01pm
Subject: Re: Mondays with Morrie

--- tomalhe@a... wrote:
> According to the new batch of "Nightline 'UpClose'" listings, the Monday 
> August 12, broadcast is "Morrie Schwartz, from best-seller 'Tuesdays with 
> Morrie.

In response, Kilby has "Tuesdays with Buddy" (Hackett)

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From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 8:48am
Subject: More "30 Secs to Fame" to come

FOX PICKS UP EIGHT MORE EPISODES OF SUMMER SMASH
30 SECONDS TO FAME


FOX has ordered eight additional episodes of the new summer smash 30 
SECONDS TO FAME.  The series, which will return at midseason, is a 
fast-paced, competition showcasing 24 unique and diverse acts who 
compete for national exposure and the show's weekly grand prize of 
$25,000.

Hosted by Craig J. Jackson ("The X Show"), 30 SECONDS TO FAME has 
consistently won its Wednesday time period in the key Adult 18-49 and 
18-34 demographics.

Each show features two rounds of competition featuring a mixed bag of 
varied and eccentric performers.  From the classical to the quirky, 
the conventional to the bizarre - and everything in between - each 
act is allowed up to 30 seconds in which to display its talent to the 
audience.  After the first round, the audience decides which three 
acts get the chance to make the most of another 30 seconds in round 
two.  Following the second round, audience members cast their votes 
for the lucky winner of that week's $25,000 grand prize.

30 SECONDS TO FAME is produced by Wild Jams Productions, LLC. 
Michael Binkow and Joe Revello are executive producers.

From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 10:23am
Subject: "Amazing Race 4" cattle call

CBS ANNOUNCES A NATIONWIDE SEARCH FOR PARTICIPANTS
FOR "THE AMAZING RACE 4"

One of Twelve Couples on A Worldwide Journey
Will Outwit The Others And Win $1 Million
In Reality Adventure Series

Application Forms are Available Exclusively on CBS.com

	CBS today announced a nationwide search for participants in 
THE AMAZING RACE 4,
the fourth edition of the reality adventure series which pits 12 
pairs of American couples against
one another in a trek around the globe, and rewards the team that 
reaches the final destination
first with a $1 million prize.

THE AMAZING RACE 3 will have its broadcast premiere Wednesday, Oct. 2 (9:00-
10:00 PM, ET/PT), on the CBS Television Network.  Last season, THE 
AMAZING RACE 2
outperformed THE AMAZING RACE 1 in households and all key demos.  The 
adventure reality
series increased +8% in households (6.4/10 vs. 5.9/9), +17% in 
viewers (10.32m vs. 8.81m),
+24% in adults 18-49 (4.6 vs. 3.7), +23% in adults 25-54 (4.9 vs. 
4.0) and +31% in adults 18-34
(4.2 vs. 3.2).

Diverse cities and countries spanning the globe will again provide 
the stage for the next
edition of the reality series from producers Jerry Bruckheimer 
("CSI," "Pearl Harbor") and
Bertram van Munster ("Cops," "Wild Things").

The couples will be selected from a diverse group of people 
representing a broad cross-
section of American society.  The participants should have a unique 
and a prior relationship with
their teammate, such as grandfather/grandchild, two best friends, 
fraternity brothers,
boyfriend/girlfriend, husband/wife or virtually any other 
combination.  No prior travel
experience is necessary.

	Application forms for the reality adventure series are 
available exclusively at CBS.com.
Applications are being accepted now through September 20, 2002 and 
must be accompanied by a
three-minute videotape that includes both teammates and proof of 
valid U.S. passports.
Producers will then narrow down the applicants and hit the road in 
October to conduct interviews
with couples in several cities across the United States. 
Semi-finalist teams will then be invited to
attend final auditions in Los Angeles in November.   A final 
elimination will form the group of
12 couples who will be chosen to participate in the series.


(More)





CBS Television...2

	Each couple will have to compete in challenges, and only when 
the tasks have been
completed will they learn their next destination.  Couples will 
gradually be eliminated as the
contest progresses, with the first team to arrive at the final 
destination winning $1 million.

	The couples will be filmed 24 hours a day, chronicling their 
journey and the conflicts and
deepening friendships that develop through the competition.  Each 
couple will be on a strict
budget, and will have to fend for themselves and the camera crew 
assigned to them.  In some
cases, the budget may be so limited, they may be forced to sleep on 
park benches or use their
imagination to conserve their limited funds.  In addition, airplane 
travel will be restricted and the
contestants will have to rely on alternate means of transportation: 
buses, trains, taxis, bicycles,
camels and, most important, their own wits to get to their next destination.

	Jerry Bruckheimer and Bertram van Munster are the executive 
producers; Hayma
Screech Washington and Scott Einziger are co-executive producers for 
Bruckheimer Films and
Earthview Inc. in association with Touchstone Television and Amazing 
Race Productions.

	For further details about how to become a part of THE AMAZING 
RACE 4 log on to the
CBS website, http://www.cbs.com

From: Doug Eastick  <wumba_man@yahoo.ca>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:19pm
Subject: Almost Famous?

A few months back, during National Turn-off Your TV Week, I posted a
message about Geocaching.  It is an outdoor activity where you use a
GPS (latitude, longitude) to find a cache that someone else hid. 
Usually it is a tupperware container with a logbook and Dollar-store
goodies.

Anyway CBC Radio here in Sudbury, Ontario wanted to do a story on it
for the morning show.  I brought out the host one afternoon to find a
cache in the city.  In the summer, the morning show covers Northern
Ontario from the Manitoba border, east to North Bay -- its a big area.

Anyway, if you are interested in the radio story, it is posted on my
rookie-blog below.  There is a link to the audio file there.

http://mcd.dyndns.org:8080/mt/eastick/ 

The specific geocache we found is described at
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=3146

Regards,
Doug Barnhart, the first
:-)

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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 10:28am
Subject: Law & Order's Ice-T serves it up old school

From: timko_steve  <timko_steve@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 3:33pm
Subject: Re: Govt. TIPS calls answered by "America's Most Wanted"

I don't think this is all that big of a deal. "America's Most Wanted" 
already has reliable people in place passing on tips to local, state 
and federal law enforcement agencies. I suspect what happened is that 
the federal narc-on-your-neighbor line wasn't producing many calls, 
so rather than get rid of it they passed on responsibility 
to "America's Most Wanted."
Anyone have convincing arguments to the contrary?

--- In tvbarn2@y..., KJB <osiris@i...> wrote:
> In Surreal Development, Bush Administration
> Routes TIPS Calls to TV Show "America's Most Wanted"
> 
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> 
> Tuesday, August 6, 2002
> 
> WASHINGTON - In a development bordering on what the American Civil
> Liberties Union called "surreal," the on-line magazine Salon.com 
today
> revealed that the Department of Justice is forwarding incoming 
Operation
> TIPS calls to the Fox-owned "America's Most Wanted" television 
series.
> "This is like retaining Arthur Andersen to do all of the SEC's
> accounting," said Rachel King, an ACLU Legislative Counsel. "It's a
> completely inappropriate and frightening intermingling of government
> power and the private sector. What's next - the government hires 
Candid
> Camera to do its video surveillance?"

From: KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 7:42pm
Subject: Re: Re: Govt. TIPS calls answered by "America's Most Wanted"

At 08:33 PM 8/9/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>I don't think this is all that big of a deal. "America's Most Wanted"
>already has reliable people in place passing on tips to local, state
>and federal law enforcement agencies. I suspect what happened is that
>the federal narc-on-your-neighbor line wasn't producing many calls,
>so rather than get rid of it they passed on responsibility
>to "America's Most Wanted."
>Anyone have convincing arguments to the contrary?

Well, even better, it looks like Salon didn't let facts get in the way of a 
story.  Here's a message from NPR technology correspondent Larry Abramson:

I don't know whether anyone else has looked into this, but I did.
America's Most Wanted says, this never happened, that the Salon account is
completely wrong. And according to DOJ, the TIPS program is still a concept
awaiting Congressional approval (which is probably not forthcoming. So
there's no actual phone number to call, not yet.
Larry Abramson
Technology Correspondent, National Public Radio



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Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 2:57pm
Subject: Law & Order's Ice-T serves it up old school (take 2)

VH1/MTV News
Thu. August 01.2002 4:36 PM EDT 

Ice-T Hawks Ice Cream To Hard Head Kids, Forms Sex, Money And Guns

West Coast rap veteran wants to teach the youth through tasty desserts.
by Shaheem Reid

Ice-T promoting ice cream. The notion just begs for some joking. But the West 
Coast rap legend says his latest endeavor, as spokesperson for Posse Pops, is 
a serious undertaking — he wants to teach the youth. 

"You gotta remember, I don't make music for kids," Ice said Wednesday after a 
press conference in New York's Clinton Park to announce his collaboration 
with Planet Ice Cream Inc., the pops' creators. "My sh-- is for adults. How 
do I talk to a kid, really? What's the one thing kids universally run to? 
That damn [ice cream] truck. 

"All of us, although we may talk rowdy on records, we all got kids," he 
continued. "It's a chance for us to say, 'No matter how rowdy we get, when 
we're with our crew, we know what's right and wrong,' and give it back. A lot 
of people may be like, 'Yo, you're challenging your image.' Nah, real n---as 
know what's real."

Posse Pops founder Richard Brown recognized T's authentic persona and 
enlisted the multimedia hustler to align himself with the company. The ice 
cream pops have messages outside and inside the wrapper, and T says they are 
soon going to include cards of different artists, similar to baseball trading 
cards, with personal words of wisdom for the youngsters. 

"He said, 'Nah, I want Ice-T,' " Ice began to explain of what led him to work 
with Brown. " 'I want somebody that will go in and talk to the hard head 
kids, 'cause that's who needs the messages.' I was excited because people 
like myself — gangsta rappers, hardcore rappers — we don't get approached 
with things like that. People don't invite us to the kids' events. I was 
like, 'Yeah! Hell yeah!' It's taking off."

Two of the Posse Pops' three flavors are "Wild Thang" and "Knock You Out," 
which are vanilla ice cream with milk chocolate coating, and which promote 
safe sex and warn against drug use, respectively. Meanwhile, "Blowin' Up" is 
peanut butter with dark chocolate coating, and includes messages about 
staying in school.

The desserts, which range from $1.49 to $1.99, are currently being sold in 
mom-and-pop stores and delis and should soon pop up in major retail food 
stores. Ice says plans are being made to give one-third of the profits to 
programs for urban youth.

Ice is also getting his face seen through a television program for adults. 
He's in his third year of playing a detective on "Law & Order: Special 
Victims Unit."

"That's fun to do," he said. "I'm happy over there." 

He'll be even more joyous if he gets an untitled movie into production. He 
wrote the script and wants to direct it. Until then, Ice is staying all 
smiles working with Smoothe Da Hustler and Trigger Tha Gambler, who are most 
known for making their classic underground duet "Broken Language" in 1996. 
The three have formed a group called SMG (Sex, Money and Guns) and are 
working on a debut to drop early next year. N.O.R.E. and Gang Starr's Guru 
and are among the guests on the album.

"The way we bringing it, East and West coast n---as together is real 
gangsta," Ice said of working with the brother combination from Brooklyn, New 
York. "Both of us bring out the best in each other. They got my style ... I'm 
flowing real radical and crazy. I got their game up to par." 


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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 8:35am
Subject: Oz - The Wire - Homicide - The Corner

From HBO
For Immediate Release
"WASN'T HE ON...?": TALENT OF NEW HBO SERIES THE WIRE HAS CONNECTIONS TO 
"OZ," "THE CORNER" AND "HOMICIDE: LIFE ON THE STREET"

When THE WIRE debuted on HBO in June, many viewers may have recognized names 
and faces from some of their favorite shows. They may have thought they knew 
Lance Reddick from "Oz," or believed they had seen him in "The Corner." They 
would have been right on both counts.

Thanks to David Simon, creator and executive producer of THE WIRE (as well as 
executive producer of "The Corner"), and Tom Fontana, who worked on "Oz" and 
"Homicide: Life on the Street," many talented East Coast dramatic actors have 
been able to work closer to home. By the same token, East Coast productions 
with large casts, like "Oz," "Homicide: ife on the Street" and "The Corner," 
have benefited by being able to draw on a large pool of nearby talent. And it 
is not uncommon in television, film and theater for producers and directors 
to use the same actors more than once. "All producers want to work with 
actors they have had good experiences with again," says Alexa Fogel, casting 
director for both THE WIRE and "Oz." "But of course it has to fit."

So exactly how are the people behind THE WIRE connected to these series? 
"Homicide: Life on the Street," the first of these shows to air, was set and 
produced in Baltimore, as are both "The Corner" and THE WIRE. Former 
Baltimore Sun reporter David Simon wrote the book "Homicide: A Year on the 
Killing Streets," on which the Tom Fontana and Barry Levinson series was 
based. He first worked as a writer and later as a producer on the NBC series, 
which marked his TV debut. 

Clark Johnson, who directed several episodes of THE WIRE, also worked on 
"Homicide" as both an actor and director. In addition, the following actors 
(with their roles on THE WIRE listed in parenthesis) also appeared on 
"Homicide": Peter Gerety (Judge Phelan), Callie Thorne (Elena McNulty), Larry 
Gilliard, Jr. (D'Angelo) and Erik Todd Dellums (Bryan "Doc" Frazier).

In 1993, Simon began work on his next book, "The Corner: A Year in the Life 
of an Inner- City Neighborhood," published in 1997, the same year Fontana and 
Levinson brought "Oz" to HBO. Simon's book, co-written with former Baltimore 
homicide detective Edward Burns, became the basis for HBO's Emmy®-winning 
six-hour miniseries "The Corner." Much of the team from "The Corner" 
currently works on THE WIRE. David Simon and Robert Colesberry are executive 
producers of both shows, while Nina Kostroff Noble serves as producer for 
both. Edward Burns is now a writer for THE WIRE. Among the actors from "The 
Corner" now working on THE WIRE are Lance Reddick (Lt. Daniels), Clarke 
Peters (Det. Freamon), Corey Parker-Robinson (Det. Sydnor) and Clayton Le 
Bouef (Orlando).

Although he calls Tom Fontana both a friend and mentor, David Simon has no 
connection to "Oz." However, THE WIRE features a number of actors previously 
on "Oz," including, again, Lance Reddick (Lt. Daniels) and Domenick 
Lombardozzi (Det. "Herc" Hauk), plus Seth Gilliam (Det. Carver), Clarke 
Peters (Det. Freamon), John Doman (Major Rawls) and JD Williams (Bodie).

Casting director Alexa Fogel explains, "The size of the ‘Oz' cast is the 
thing that is most unusual -- an ongoing group of 30-plus that shifts and 
changes throughout the seasons. It is inevitable that a casting director 
would consider some of these actors for another show. But all of these actors 
auditioned for their roles, so maybe the cream rises to the top in both 
cases."

In "Oz," Lance Reddick appeared as a cop who goes undercover to infiltrate 
the drug trade in the prison. He ends up addicted to heroin and finally gets 
killed. "Alexa knew my work from ‘Oz' and really believed that I'd fit in THE 
WIRE," says Reddick. "But you have to read for it, you know? I didn't think I 
got the part at first." 

When he did get the call, Reddick met some familiar faces on set. "It's a 
bonus to work with Seth [Gilliam] again," Reddick says. "On ‘Oz,' he went 
crazy and killed me. Now I'm his boss." He also points out that actors work 
with the same actors in different roles as early as drama school, so it's not 
strange for them. "It's cool coming here to THE WIRE after working with a lot 
these people. There is a certain comfort level." 



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From: PGage@AOL.COM
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:04am
Subject: Re: Re: Govt. TIPS calls answered by "America's Most Wanted"

Steve Timko wrote…
>I don't think this is all that big of a deal. "America's Most Wanted"
>already has reliable people in place passing on tips to local, state
>and federal law enforcement agencies. I suspect what happened is that
>the federal narc-on-your-neighbor line wasn't producing many calls,
>so rather than get rid of it they passed on responsibility
>to "America's Most Wanted." Anyone have convincing arguments to the 
contrary?

KJB wrote…
Well, even better, it looks like Salon didn't let facts get in the way of a 
story.  Here's a message from NPR technology correspondent Larry Abramson:

I don't know whether anyone else has looked into this, but I did.
America's Most Wanted says, this never happened, that the Salon account is
completely wrong. And according to DOJ, the TIPS program is still a concept
awaiting Congressional approval (which is probably not forthcoming. So
there's no actual phone number to call, not yet.


PGage writes…
A couple of things. In response to the first post, the whole TIPS proposal 
(and the idea of formal participation by a tv show like America's Most 
Wanted) is most certainly a big deal, and a huge mistake. The TIPS  
(Terrorist Information and Prevention System) idea is to have delivery 
people, utility workers, cable installers, and others whose jobs allow them 
access to private residences to report "suspicious" activity to the 
government. Essentially this allows the government to conduct warrant-less 
searches and invade the privacy of anyone who seems a little "different" or 
"strange" to the guy who comes to fix your cable. While I got the above 
description of TIPS from the ACLU, it is not just liberals who oppose this 
program - Dick Armey, not-so-liberal House Majority Leader is against it as 
well. The opposition has been so broad based that yesterday the Justice 
Department announced that it was scaling back the program to exclude workers 
who enter private residences, and focus on workers who operate on the 
highways, such as truck drivers, and at the ports of entry. Justice has also 
delayed implementation of the program (it was supposed to start this month) 
to allow for more consultation with congress. Even the proposed modified form 
of the program is a dangerous invasion of privacy and disregard of due 
process by the federal government, and I hope the whole idea is eventually 
scrapped. It is one thing when a tv show like AMW shows no concern for the 
rights of those accused of crimes, but to involve their despicable (but 
borderline legal) disregard with programs of the Justice Department would be 
intolerable.

Second, the Salon article seems to have been garbled several times in the 
re-telling. David Lindorff wrote that he had signed up for TIPS, not heard 
anything from them, and then called the Justice Department  (**NOT** the TIPS 
number). Lindorff reports that the Justice department gave him another number 
(still **NOT** the TIPS number) that it said had been set up by the FBI. 
Lindorff wrote that when he called that number, someone from America's Most 
Wanted  answered and, in response to the obvious question said, quote "We've 
been asked to take the FBI's TIPS calls for them". On Larry King last night 
Walsh vehemently denied that AMW was part of TIPS, attacked the ACLU and the 
salon article, but did not specifically address the assertion made in the 
article (that is, he did not comment on whether or not the Justice Department 
was referring callers inquiring about TIPS to AMW - which is all that the 
salon article asserts). Larry King, not surprisingly, did not follow up.

So, while it is true that TIPS has not yet been implemented, this has nothing 
to do with whether or not Lindorff's assertions in his salon article are 
accurate. 




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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 7:19pm
Subject: only 6 more of the swarovski crystal studded handcuffs this hour...

Man Convicted of Harassing QVC Host

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) - A jury convicted a man of harassing a QVC home shopping 
network host by going to her home last year, but found him innocent of 
stalking her.

Phillip M. Young, 52, also was convicted of trespassing and found innocent of 
attempted burglary Thursday. He could face up to 18 months in jail when he is 
sentenced later this year.

Young, of Phoenix, was arrested Dec. 3 after Pat DeMentri found him on the 
front porch of her Washington Township home.

Prosecutors said Young flew to New Jersey, rented a car and drove to 
DeMentri's home. He then rang her doorbell, and when Young identified himself 
through an intercom, she called 911.

After his arrest, police found two boxes containing engagement and wedding 
rings strapped to Young's chest. Prior to going to her home, Young sent 
DeMentri two telegrams that said she was giving him permission to visit by 
signing for them.

At the time, Young told police that he hoped DeMentri would help him meet 
Lisa Robertson, a QVC host to whom he had sent letters, gifts and a honeymoon 
brochure.

Young still faces charges in Pennsylvania stemming from a telegram he sent to 
Jane Treacy, another QVC host.

He also sent letters to another QVC host, Kathy Levine, in 1997.

In 1998, Young was convicted in Arizona of stalking. He was sentenced to 
three years' probation and ordered to not have contact with employees of the 
shopping channel.


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From: Tom Roche  <troche@mindspring.com>
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 11:01am
Subject: Re: Law & Order's Ice-T serves it up old school (take 2)

At 7:15 PM +0000 8/10/02, tvbarn2@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>Law & Order's Ice-T serves it up old school (take 2)


With news items like this, I don't have to read The Onion anymore.

On another matter, does anyone know the status of "Primetime Glick"?? It seems to have been bumped a few weeks ago from its original Saturday evening slot to various fringe slots on Comedy Central. Is it cancelled or hiatusized or hypmotized or what? Anyone?

Lastly, a reminder/suggestion as much to myself as to the list, this new Cartoon Network series "Harvey Birdman"  (tonight 1130EDT) is about 6 shows into its debut season and is turning into a real gem. Birdman is a lawyer in a manic court  room full of cartoon characters across different eras dissing and suing each other and generally spilling each others dirty laundry.

That the show can happen at all (with all these revered and bankable "properties" all gathered in one show, often in unflattering portrayals to say the least) is the only benefit to corporate mega-mergers I've ever encountered.



tom r

From: Tom Roche  <troche@mindspring.com>
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 10:59am
Subject: Unheralded ""Popye The Sailor Man" restorations

One more worthwhile thing lately on th' Cartoon Net hardly anyone has noticed... 

This friend of mine at TCN, Barry Mills, produces the "Popeye" show which you would probably say, fine, ho-hum. But what Barry is doing is re-cutting/restoring the original Max Fliescher B&W cartoons back to their original state, removing all idiotic chopping AAP did when these early 30's and 40s cartoons were syndicated to TV in the 50s and 60's.  

See his fine, alas unheralded efforts late Sundays @ 1AM eastern


tom r

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 11:15am
Subject: Re: Re: Law & Order's Ice-T serves it up old school (take 2)

>> On another matter, does anyone know the status of "Primetime Glick"?? 

Yes. 

Martin Short Returns As Jiminy Glick For A Third Season Of
"Primetime Glick" On COMEDY CENTRAL

--------
Executive Producers Martin Short And Bernie Brillstein Sign On
For 10 Additional Episodes To Premiere In 2003
--------

NEW YORK, April 15, 2002 -- Legendary celebrity interviewer Jiminy Glick 
(played by Martin Short) will return for a third season of COMEDY CENTRAL's 
popular series, "Primetime Glick," it was announced today by Bill Hilary, 
executive vice president and general manager, COMEDY CENTRAL.

"We are thrilled to extend our relationship with Martin and Bernie Brillstein 
for an additional season on COMEDY CENTRAL," said Hilary. "Martin is a 
tremendous talent and in Jiminy Glick he has created one of the most 
memorable characters in the television landscape."

"It's nice in these times that quality means something," said Bernie 
Brillstein, executive producer for "Primetime Glick."

"Primetime Glick" revolves around a fictitious comedy talk show of the same 
name. Central to the show is Jiminy's unique, interviewing style, which is 
highlighted by his unbridled enthusiasm. The series, which features 
interviews with such stars as Tom Hanks, Jerry Seinfeld, Julia Louis-Dreyfus, 
Steve Martin, Rosie O'Donnell and Nathan Lane, launched with 10 episodes that 
premiered on COMEDY CENTRAL on June 20, 2001. The show's second season began 
February 23, 2002. Season three will debut in early 2003.


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From: bob.in.jersey@juno.com
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 0:00pm
Subject: Re: Unheralded ""Popye The Sailor Man" restorations

Tom Roche:

Barry and his staff (including the redoubtable Jerry Beck of
www.cartoonresearch.com) are doing a =wonderful= job. The late
timeslot has been something of a handicap, between the "Adult Swim"
comedies and a block of Hanna-Barbera stuff, but their hard work
will get something of a reward soon when CN moves "Popeye" up to
9.30PM E/P in September.


-- 
BOB

From: rcurrlin  <rcurrlin@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 9:38am
Subject: Re: Unheralded ""Popye The Sailor Man" restorations

Were these Popeyes chopped mostly for time  or for content?

p.s.  TV Guide listed these as colorized, but the one i caught was 
B&W.

--roy

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Tom Roche <troche@m...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> One more worthwhile thing lately on th' Cartoon Net hardly anyone 
has noticed... 
> 
> This friend of mine at TCN, Barry Mills, produces the "Popeye" 
show which you would probably say, fine, ho-hum. But what Barry is 
doing is re-cutting/restoring the original Max Fliescher B&W 
cartoons back to their original state, removing all idiotic chopping 
AAP did when these early 30's and 40s cartoons were syndicated to TV 
in the 50s and 60's.

From: bob.in.jersey@juno.com
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 11:18am
Subject: Re: Unheralded ""Popye The Sailor Man" restorations

On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:38:27 UTC, "rcurrlin" asked:
> Were these Popeyes chopped mostly for time  or for content?

Fleischer 'toons tended to be squeezed into half-hour blocks like
many pre-1950s shorts, so there were some time edits, however
content -- esp. the authentic Paramount logos, or copies of them
anyhoo -- was the chief thing put back in.  In enough cases shorts
with moderately-offensive scenes were simply not shown, much as CN
had earlier done with Warner 'toons with Indian or Mexican
characters, e.g. Speedy Gonzales.


-- 
BOB

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 6:28pm
Subject: Americorn Idol

USA Network Is on a Mission to Discover a True 'Nashville Star'

LOS ANGELES, Aug. 12 /PRNewswire/ -- USA Network announced plans today for a 
new series dedicated to finding a genuine "Nashville Star."  The show will 
launch a nation-wide grass roots search for the next great country music 
singer/songwriter.  The contestants' personal lives and stories of their 
inspiration behind the music will be uncovered throughout the series.  The 
grand-prize winner will be rewarded with a recording contract from Universal 
Music Group.

USA Network's President Doug Herzog said, "Country music is a genre that 
really resonates with our audience.  It's great to be able to tap into the 
resources of the Universal family by teaming with the Universal Music Group 
and Reveille to find the next great country star."

"Country music has transcended its rural roots and its themes are more 
timeless than ever," said Chris Sloan, Senior Vice President, alternative 
programming.  "USA Network provides the perfect venue to tell the real 
stories of talented people from all walks of life coming to the mecca of 
country music with nothing but a dream and a song.  The rich texture of 
fledgling artists pursuing their 'Nashville dream' and the rich dynamic of 
characters of Music City, USA will be captured for the first time on broad 
based television."

"Nashville Star" is the result of three companies under the Universal 
umbrella teaming up and combining their strengths for this major country 
music talent search.  USA Network, Universal Music Group and Reveille 
(Universal Television Group's backed production and distribution entity 
headed by Ben Silverman) are working together in their mission to find a true 
"Nashville Star."

"Nashville Star" is being produced by Reveille in association with Universal 
Music Group.  George Verschoor ("Real World," "Murder in Small Town X") and 
his production company, Noosick Falls Productions, is attached to executive 
produce.  The limited run event series is scheduled to premiere in the first 
or second quarter of 2003 on USA Network.

"It's a fact that television can be a very powerful tool in reaching the 
country music fans," said Mark Wright, Executive Vice President and Head of A&
R, MCA Nashville.  "The 'Nashville Star' series is a marvelous opportunity 
for aspiring artists to get in front of the fans across America and we are 
thrilled to be a part of it."

Reveille's CEO Ben Silverman added, "'Nashville Star' will give truly 
talented people an opportunity to showcase their abilities.  The music and 
stories are emotional and real, and that's what makes great television.  We 
are thrilled to have George Verschoor working with us in making this project 
come to life."

"Nashville Star" will speak directly to the legions of fans of the largest 
music genre in the United States, as well as those fascinated by the culture 
and character of country music.  The United States will be scoured for 
hopefuls who are ready to pack their bags and see if their talent for both 
performing and songwriting are up to the ultimate test.  Exploring all 
country music styles from traditional country to bluegrass to folk to 
hillbilly, this series will be about the contestants and the songs they write 
and perform.

The final contestants will compete in Nashville, the undisputed home of 
country music.  The city itself will become a character as the competitors 
steep themselves in the musical legacy of this fabled city.  Performers will 
be tested everywhere from county fairs to Honky Tonk bars, to the final 
crowning concert at a legendary landmark.  In the end, only one person will 
stand and claim the title of "Nashville Star," judged by a panel of industry 
insiders, country legends, and country music fans who will have their voice 
heard through major tie-ins with influential radio stations.



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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Aug 12, 2002 7:21pm
Subject: You will believe a man can ... try

August 12, 2002
ABC Television Network

"CHRISTOPHER REEVE: COURAGEOUS STEPS" AIRS WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 18 ON ABC 

"Christopher Reeve: Courageous Steps," an ABC special featuring 
never-before-seen footage and unmatched access to the acclaimed actor, 
director and activist and his family, will chronicle his inspiring personal 
battle to walk again. This emotionally compelling story of dignity and 
courage narrated by Christopher Reeve himself and directed by Matthew Reeve, 
his son, will air WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 18 (10:00-11:00 p.m., ET), on the ABC 
Television Network.

Tracing Reeve's recovery process over the last year, from May 27, 2001 -- the 
sixth anniversary of his accident to the present -- the special will focus 
with extraordinary intimacy on Reeve's personal life at home with his family, 
as they share in his rehabilitative and recreational activities, and offer a 
behind-the scenes look at the medical aspects of his recovery, as he works 
with his doctors. The special also takes an up-close look at Reeve's role as 
an activist on the political frontlines, championing controversial causes 
such as stem cell research, as he attempts to make his dream of walking again 
come true -- not just for himself, but for countless others who suffer from 
paralysis caused by spinal cord injuries and other central nervous system 
disorders such as stroke, multiple sclerosis and ALS.

Reeve, who has been paralyzed since 1995 from a severe spinal cord injury 
suffered in an equestrian competition, has hoped he would be able to stand 
again by his 50th birthday on September 25 this year. He has struggled to 
overcome most conventional medical opinions that he would never walk again, 
having been left paralyzed from the neck down and attached to a ventilator 
since the accident seven years ago.

Mr. Reeve's disability has not kept him from continuing his career as a 
leading actor and director. In 1998, in his first major role since was 
paralyzed, he starred in and executive produced an updated version of the 
classic Hitchcock thriller, "Rear Window," on ABC, for which he won a Screen 
Actors Guild Award and was nominated for a Golden Globe. He made his 
directorial debut with HBO's "In the Gloaming" in 1997. The critically 
acclaimed film was nominated for five Emmys and won six Cable Ace Awards, 
including Best Dramatic Special and Best Director.

Previously Mr. Reeve had distinguished himself in a variety of stage and 
screen roles, including the Oscar-nominated "Remains of the Day," "Superman" 
and its subsequent sequels, "Deathtrap," "Somewhere in Time," "The 
Bostonians" and "Noises Off." His stage credits include "The Marriage of 
Figaro," "Fifth of July," "My Life," "Summer and Smoke," "Love Letters" and 
"The Aspern Papers."

His 1998 New York Times bestselling autobiography, "Still Me," won a 1999 
Grammy for Best Spoken Word Album.

"Christopher Reeve: Courageous Steps" is directed by Matthew Reeve. Stuart 
Watts and Ian A. Hunt are the producers. The executive producer is Alastair 
Waddington. "Christopher Reeve: Courageous Steps" is a production of TWI and 
MXR Productions.


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From: jicarney  <jicarney@localnet.com>
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 4:25pm
Subject:

Mark Jeffries wrote in on the TVB main page:
>It started last Friday night with "Heat Vision and Jack," the
>Stiller-directed action show parody that has quite a reputation 
>among those who've seen it, starring Jack Black, Ron Silver and 
>the voice of Owen Wilson as Black's talking motorcycle, "Next,"
>a sketch show written by and starring Bob Odenkirk of "Mr. Show"
>fame and Ray Romano, Markoe's animated pilot "The Lewis Lectures,"
>with Black and Laura Kightlinger as the voices of dogs,

Actually, this -- or something similar written by Markoe and 
involving dogs -- ran a couple of months ago as a special during 
Cartoon Network's "Adult Swim" lineup.  I tuned in in the middle and 
was immediately sorry I'd missed the setup.


John I. Carney  |  jicarney@l...  |  http://jicarney.cjb.net

From: TelevisonGrl@aol.com
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 3:15pm
Subject: Re: (unknown)

In a message dated 8/13/2002 5:26:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jicarney@l... writes:


> >It started last Friday night with "Heat Vision and Jack," the
> >Stiller-directed action show parody that has quite a reputation 
> >among those who've seen it, 


The Museum of Television and Radio in New York is showing this on August 28th 
as a part of their "We Interrupt This Work Day" series:

http://mtr.inet7.com/PressRoom/pressRelease/06252002b.htm

TVG


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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 7:58pm
Subject: Isaak haze

CHRIS ISAAK’S BEAT GOES ON:
SERIES RENEWED FOR THIRD SEASON ON SHOWTIME

New York, NY: August 13th, 2002 - The quirky, critically-acclaimed SHOWTIME 
Original Series THE CHRIS ISAAK SHOW, has been renewed for a third season, it 
was announced today by Jerry Offsay, President of Programming, Showtime 
Networks Inc, for an additional 13 episodes. Production is scheduled to start 
in January 2003. 




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From: PGage@AOL.COM
Date: Tue Aug 13, 2002 8:06pm
Subject: Showtime/Schmotime

News Item...
> CHRIS ISAAK’S BEAT GOES ON:
> SERIES RENEWED FOR THIRD SEASON ON SHOWTIME
> 
> New York, NY: August 13th, 2002 - The quirky, critically-acclaimed SHOWTIME 
> 
> Original Series THE CHRIS ISAAK SHOW, has been renewed for a third season, 
> it 
> was announced today by Jerry Offsay, President of Programming, Showtime 
> Networks Inc, for an additional 13 episodes. Production is scheduled to 
> start 
> in January 2003. 

PGage writes....
I have had a minidish for about 5 years (prior to that just over the air). As 
a treat for the family this summer I added Showtime to our usual HBO/Starz 
package; In two months I doubt I have watched more than three programs - and 
those were reruns of old movies on TMC. I will be canceling my Showtime at 
the end of this month -- but I can't understand how they can compete with 
HBO, which has much better original programing, and Starz, which has much 
better new movies.



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From: Jason Snell  <jsnell@macworld.com>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 0:36am
Subject: Re: Showtime/Schmotime

PGage@A... wrote:

>I have had a minidish for about 5 years (prior to that just over the air). As
>a treat for the family this summer I added Showtime to our usual HBO/Starz
>package; In two months I doubt I have watched more than three programs - and
>those were reruns of old movies on TMC. I will be canceling my Showtime at
>the end of this month -- but I can't understand how they can compete with
>HBO, which has much better original programing, and Starz, which has much
>better new movies.

I've got to agree. I bought Showtime late last year for Stargate SG-1 
(as well as Isaak, I suppose), and it was underwhelming enough that 
we cancelled after the season finale aired. The Dolby Digital 5.1 
movies were great (DirecTV), but there were so _few_ of them that 
were any good. It was really disappointing.

If my TiVo weren't already full, I'd get HBO... but my TiVo is very full.

-jason
-- 
Jason Snell / Editor, Macworld / jsnell@m...
415-243-3565 / AIM-iChat: MW jsnell

From: Anthony Foglia  <afoglia@physics.ucsb.edu>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:30am
Subject: Re: Isaak haze

On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 tomalhe@a... wrote:

> CHRIS ISAAK’S BEAT GOES ON:
> SERIES RENEWED FOR THIRD SEASON ON SHOWTIME

	Does anyone when (and if) VH-1 will rerun the second season?

--Anthony

-------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't just live.  Live vicariously.

From: Jon Delfin  <jondelfin@nyc.rr.com>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 9:32am
Subject: one person's teaser is another's editorial comment

At http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/ this morning, this link appears next to a
picture of Larry King:

What's Larry talking about?

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 9:36am
Subject: RE: one person's teaser is another's editorial comment

> At http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/ this morning, this link 
> appears next to a
> picture of Larry King:
> 
> What's Larry talking about?

Of course, if CNN really wanted to appeal to those Gen-Xers, they would've
had the link be an homage to "Diff'rent Strokes":

What you talkin' about, Larry?

<embellished studio audience laughter>

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: jicarney  <jicarney@localnet.com>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 10:15am
Subject: Re: one person's teaser is another's editorial comment

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Jon Delfin <jondelfin@n...> wrote:
> At http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/ this morning, this link appears next 
to a
> picture of Larry King:
> 
> What's Larry talking about?


They should hire Norm Macdonald to read these tidbits aloud ... now 
_that_ would be premium web content.


John I. Carney  |  jicarney@l...  |  http://jicarney.cjb.net

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 3:04pm
Subject: Re: Showtime/Schmotime

At 10:36 PM 8/13/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>I've got to agree. I bought Showtime late last year for Stargate SG-1
>(as well as Isaak, I suppose), and it was underwhelming enough that
>we cancelled after the season finale aired. The Dolby Digital 5.1
>movies were great (DirecTV), but there were so _few_ of them that
>were any good. It was really disappointing.

Well, I suppose I'm the dissenting opinion here.  I've got the Showtime 
package (along with everything else) and do watch the channels fairly 
regularly.  I've caught some interesting programming on Showtime Beyond (if 
they really wanted to, they could put a sizeable dent in Sci-Fi's audience 
but it looks like they're content to stay a niche channel for the moment) 
and have been watching Jeremiah and Odyssey 5 on the main channel (although 
both of these are repeated on Beyond, there is a widescreen broadcast of 
Odyssey 5 on Sunday nights on Showtime that isn't promoted as such).
As for the movies, I really don't care about them.  As part of my job I see 
most of them in the theaters (where most of them should be seen anyway) and 
I don't go out of my way to watch any of them on cable.  If there's 
something interesting on at the moment and I'm channel grazing, I'll 
probably watch it but that's about it.  If it's something I like, I've 
already gotten it on DVD before it hits cable.  So if the "movie" channels 
stopped running 90% of their movies tomorrow and started doing original 
programming, they would be much more entertaining for me.


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 9:41am
Subject: Tubbies on the tens

Tinky Winky Here, Laa-Laa There ...  It's Teletubbies Everywhere! New Series 
with Classic Characters Makes US Debut in January 2003

Ragdoll's Innovative New Series to Air on 'PBS KIDS' in Conjunction with  
Original Show 

NEW YORK, Aug. 14 /PRNewswire/ -- The Teletubbies are coming -- again! 
Ragdoll, creator of international phenomenon Teletubbies, today announced 
that their new series TELETUBBIES EVERYWHERE will make its US debut as part 
of the PBS KIDS preschool programming block on January 20th, 2003.  Each 
daily Teletubbies program will open with a 10-minute episode of TELETUBBIES 
EVERYWHERE, which premiered in the UK in 2002 on the BBC's digital preschool 
channel CBeebies. TELETUBBIES EVERYWHERE focuses on early learning concepts 
and features the lovable characters in a completely different format.  As a 
special Teletubbies treat, Ragdoll will also deliver 20 new Teletubbies 
episodes to PBS KIDS for broadcast in 2003.

Tinky Winky, Dipsy, Laa-Laa and Po -- characters beloved by youngsters all 
over the world -- appear in a visually unique new studio-based show 
TELETUBBIES EVERYWHERE.  The 52-episode 10-minute treat-sized programs for 
preschool children combine the irresistible humor and comedy of the original 
with a non-linear series of simple games, counting exercises, musical 
patterns and rhythms specially designed to help develop children's cognitive 
skills. Each episode also features a live action segment that showcases 
children from around the world, including Russia, South Korea and India.

"The success of Teletubbies all around the world has shown that children 
understand the Teletubbies and the Teletubbies understand children 
everywhere," said Anne Wood, Founder and Creative Director of Ragdoll.  "Our 
new programs showcase the faces and activities of children from the many 
different countries that continue to join in the fun, and the Teletubbies 
demonstrate that the fun of learning is universal."

"The Teletubbies have been essential to PBS KIDS since their debut in 1998," 
said Alyce Myatt, vice president, programming, PBS. "TELETUBBIES EVERYWHERE 
is a unique and innovative extension of the original Teletubbies concept that 
reinforces important educational concepts in a way that children are sure to 
enjoy. The combination of TELETUBBIES EVERYWHERE and the original series 
creates a wonderful new viewing experience for children -- I think that kids 
will find that watching TELETUBBIES EVERYWHERE is like being out and about, 
and when they're done, they get to come home to the Teletubbies in 
Teletubbyland..."

TELETUBBIES EVERYWHERE is the latest original series developed by Ragdoll. 
Teletubbies, which debuted in 1997, has become one of the most successful 
children's programs in history. Toys R Us will unveil an exclusive new line 
of Teletubbies plush toys in September 2002, and PBS has a broadcasting 
agreement to air the top-rated show through 2008.  Dannon Danimals is the 
proud sponsor of Teletubbies on PBS KIDS.


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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 9:41am
Subject: Trading Races

A&E Network Announces Phil Keoghan, "The Amazing Race" & Alex Mcleod, 
"Trading Spaces," as Hosts of "Best of Both Worlds"; Two One-Hour Specials 
Premiere 1st Quarter, 2003

NEW YORK--(ENTERTAINMENT WIRE)--Aug 14, 2002--Phil Keoghan (CBS' "The Amazing 
Race") and Alex McLeod (original host of the smash hit "Trading Spaces"), 
will serve as hosts of the A&E Special Presentation BEST OF BOTH WORLDS, it 
was announced today.

BEST OF BOTH WORLDS is one of three new docu-tainment specials (the others 
are "Role Reversal" and "It's a Living") to air on A&E in the 2002/03 season. 
The specials offer an alternative approach to documentary filmmaking. The 
events captured in each of the shows feature a common theme: the behavior is 
unscripted, the reactions are genuine and the experiences real.

BEST OF BOTH WORLDS, which began production in July, features Keoghan and 
McLeod travelling to two great destinations, Hawaii and Hong Kong. However, 
there is a catch. One of them will travel via first class throughout the 
entire trip, while the other on a limited budget. Their unique journeys will 
certainly provide two different perspectives to the locations that they are 
visiting. The first site on their adventure is Hawaii, where they visit the 
islands of Kauai, Maui, Molokai and Kona. While there, Phil goes kayaking at 
the breathtaking Napali Coast, and makes a spiritual journey down the famous 
Road To Hana. Alex goes power hangliding in Kauai and they both surf Hawaii's 
incredible waves, guided by world renown surfing instructor, Buzzy Kerbox. In 
Hong Kong, Keoghan and McLeod are expected to visit traditional food markets, 
have high tea at The Peninsula Hotel, one of the world's most exotic hotels, 
and tour one of the country's many spectacular monasteries. With BEST OF BOTH 
WORLDS, viewers have the opportunity to experience a destination from two 
perspectives and can decide who really had the better deal.

"We are thrilled to have such recognizable television personalities as Phil 
and Alex, guiding us through this fun-filled adventure," said Maryellen Cox, 
Director of Documentary Programming, A&E Network. "And, it doesn't hurt that 
they've both been such good sports about everything. I mean, after all, one 
of them was going to have to suffer through breathtaking Hawaii...on a 
budget."

Phil Keoghan has worked around the world, in over 50 countries, as a 
television host, producer, writer, actor and cameraman. Phil hosted the 
adventure series, "Go For It;" the FOX morning show, "Fox After Breakfast;" 
the 1998 Film Festival Awards for the Sundance Channel and the CBS special 
"Surprise, Surprise." As a producer he co-created and co-produced "Keoghan's 
Heroes," a show profiling famous thrill seekers around the world; "The Human 
Edge," a technology series for National Geographic and "Phil Keoghan's 
Adventure Crazy for the Travel Channel. Phil is currently host of the CBS 
reality series, "The Amazing Race."

Alex McLeod was born and raised in Galveston, Texas. She has made guest 
appearances on the comedies, "Married With Children," "Nightstand," 
"Partners," and "Ned and Stacy." She has also hosted a variety of reality 
programs. Alex is the original host of TLC's "Trading Spaces." Prior to 
"Trading Spaces" she co-hosted the irreverent and popular "Moviewatch" series 
for Channel Four in the UK.


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From: tvbarn  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:50pm
Subject: USO in HDTV on CBS

CBS SPORTS' BROADCAST OF THE 2002 U.S. OPEN TENNIS
TOURNAMENT TO BE SIMULCAST IN HDTV

High Definition Simulcast Will Include All Six Days Of Coverage

NEW YORK, August 14 - CBS Sports' entire live broadcast of the 2002 U.S.
Open Tennis Championships -- Saturday, Aug. 31 through Sunday, September 8
-- will be simulcast in High Definition Television, the Network announced
today.  While this marks the fourth consecutive year that CBS has
simulcast its coverage of the U.S. Open in HDTV, this is the first year
the Network will expand its HDTV broadcasts to all six days of tournament
coverage. In addition, this is the first year that the action on the Louis
Armstrong Stadium's Court 2 will be added to the traditional coverage of
Center Court in Arthur Ashe Stadium. Once again, a highlight of the
broadcast will be the prime time women's final on Saturday evening,
September 7.

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 9:53am
Subject: You're all out of order!

SHOWTIME Greenlights Series Pilot 'OUT OF ORDER' 

NEW YORK, Aug. 14 /PRNewswire/ -- Showtime Networks Inc. has greenlit OUT OF 
ORDER (tentative title), a new series pilot, it was announced today by Jerry 
Offsay, President of Programming for SHOWTIME.  

OUT OF ORDER is about a Hollywood screenwriting couple whose long-term 
marriage is in crisis.  Dealing with clinical depression, affairs, obsessions 
and addictions, it is a drama where labels like "sympathetic" and 
"unsympathetic" seem entirely beside the point.  The story is seen from the 
point-of-view of the husband who has always viewed his life as a movie. 

The pilot is written and executive produced by Donna Powers & Wayne Powers, 
who wrote Deep Blue Sea, skeletons in the closet and the upcoming film The 
Italian Job. 

Cast in the series, which is expected to air in 2003, are Eric Stoltz, 
Felicity Huffman,   Kim Dickens, Justine Bateman and Dyllan Christopher. The 
pilot episode will also guest star William H. Macy and director/actor Peter 
Bogdanovich.





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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 9:58am
Subject: Re: Isaak haze

>    

There's no listing of it in the shows directory, but then they've had 2-3 new 
presidents of VH1 since they were broadcasting Isaak's first season. 


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From: tvbarn  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 2:18pm
Subject: Cheryl Kerns McDonald named WDAF-TV GM

[as we predicted last week...AB]

FOX TELEVISION STATIONS, INC.
A Unit of Fox Television

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact:  Ivey Van Allen  310-369-3293


CHERYL KERNS McDONALD NAMED VICE PRESIDENT AND
GENERAL MANAGER OF WDAF FOX 4 KANSAS CITY


August 13, 2002, Kansas City, MO - Cheryl Kerns McDonald has been named
Vice Pre sident and General Manager of Fox owned-and-operated WDAF FOX 4
Kansas City.  Th e announcement was made today by Mitchell Stern, Chairman
and Chief Executive Of ficer, Fox Television Stations, Inc.

In her new duties, Ms. McDonald will be responsible for overseeing all
business and administrative duties at the Kansas City station.

Ms. McDonald has served as General Sales Manager at WDAF since 1988 and
was name d a Vice President in 1992.

Ms. McDonald began her sales career at WTAJ/CBS in Altoona, Pa. where she
worked in retail planning and sales and as an Account Executive. She later
worked at W TTG and WDCA (both independent stations at the time) in
Washington D.C. for four years.  She served as Local Sales Manager at WDCA
and was transferred by Taft B roadcasting to WDAF in Kansas City where she
worked in the same capacity before being promoted to General Sales Manager
in January 1988.  In November 1988, she moved to Dallas and served as
General Manager of the Dallas/Forth Worth Cable In terconnect before
returning to WDAF in 1990 as General Sales Manager.

"Cheryl's extensive experience and continuing success at WDAF make her the
perfect candidate to head our Kansas City station," stated Mr. Stern.  
"We look forward to her leadership skills and expertise in successfully
overseeing WDAF's long -term goals."

One of the nation's largest owned-and-operated network broadcast groups,
Fox Television Stations, Inc. consists of 34 stations in 26 markets
covering nearly 45% of U.S. television homes. This includes duopolies in
New York, Los Angeles, Dallas, Washington DC, Houston, Minneapolis,
Phoenix and Orlando.

###

From: aaronbarnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 2:39pm
Subject: Picker down

Those of you who are signed up to post links to the "Other headlines" 
blog, please note that my automatic TV picker is down, so if there 
are any TV crix you read who have written noteworthy articles in the 
last day or two, I'd appreciate your linking to them through the blog.

I hope to get ahold of somebody who can reset the Picker tonight.

Aaron, in vacationland

From: Steve Rhodes  <srhodes@well.com>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 4:12pm
Subject: Nightline on Julia Childs Thurs, Elvis Friday

This is subject to change if news breaks (from the end of today's Nightline
newsletter):

Just a heads up for the rest of the week. Tomorrow is Julia Child's 90th
birthday, and she'll tell her story, from working for the OSS, the
forerunner of the CIA to becoming one of the most famous chefs around, to
that famous Saturday Night Live skit. And Friday we'll have our own
tribute to Elvis, on the 25th anniversary of his death. Or his reported
death, for those of you who believe he's still alive. You'll hear from
musicians from yesterday and today on his music, and his lasting impact.
We are interviewing a number of people that you might not ordinarily
expect to appear on Nightline, and it should be a lot of fun.

   Also, Upclose tonight (wed) is on writer Walter Mosley.

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 6:34pm
Subject: RE: Re: Law & Order's Ice-T serves it up old school (ta ke 2)

> I have one thing to say about rap and rappers:
> 
> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Thank you, Lawrence Welk.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: Keith Privett  <Keith@PRIVETT.COM>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 8:33pm
Subject: Survivor V: It's now a Thai game (minor spoilers/rumors)

CBS' EyeMail advises viewers that the Survivor:Thailand contestants will be
named tomorrow morning on The Early Show (with Jane Clayson, a temp host hired
from Manpower, inc. and the journalism of Big Brother hostess Julie Chen.)

Filming took place on the former prison island of Tarutao in the southernmost
reaches of the country in June and July. Tribal council is in the style of a
Thai temple

Jeff Probst said on the Early Show "Every cast has its own vibe. This is as
close to one in terms of the crosssection of America. I mean it is a CROSS ---
SECTION." ( http://www.survivorthailand.com/archives/000039.php )

If the (surprisingly quiet) internet snoops are correct two of the names will
be:

Casey Schueler, 27  of Orland Park, IL - the first woman drafted by Major
League Baseball (43rd round in 1993 by the Chicago White Sox). Coincidentally,
this prep softball standout and former Depaul hoops player is also daughter of
ChiSox Sr. VP Ron Scheuler

Tanya Vance of Johnson City, TN - who has a tragedy at home (won't spoil it
more than that)

If the wilder rumors ( http://www.survivornews.net/article.php?id=89 )
are true, there will also be...

an NYPD firefighter
an Asian-American woman
and a female alternate (because one woman was allegedly disqualified for
behavior during orientation



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From: jicarney  <jicarney@localnet.com>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 10:31pm
Subject: Panel game shows

Following a link from the TVBarn page, I noticed some of Mark 
Evanier's comments about watching old panel-type game shows 
like "I've Got A Secret" and "What's My Line?" He predicted a 
comeback, but said one impediment was a lack of good panelists.

Ironically, I spent two hours this evening watching "To Tell The 
Truth" reruns that I had taped during the day from Game Show 
Network, which is running TTTT this week in its "Breakfast With The 
Stars" block. I am too young to have seen the original Bud Collyer 
version, but I grew up with the Garry Moore version, one of my 
favorite shows.  Today's block included two Garry Moore episodes 
(including his farewell show) and two episodes of the early 90s 
revival, which I had never seen. One of those was Alex Trebek's 
first episode, and he joked that it was the first game show where he 
actually got to sit down. They also showed a Lynn Swann episode from 
that same version.

But I digress. The recent John O'Hurley / Paula Poundstone / Meshach 
Taylor "To Tell The Truth" was too tabloidy for my taste -- they 
seemed to bend over backward to get sex-related guests -- but I 
thought Meshach Taylor was dynamite. He was a terrific player, 
surprisingly well-prepared and able to ask wonderfully-revealing 
questions, but he also seemed to be having fun amd realized it was a 
game.

Poundstone was also fun, of course, and is always entertaining to 
watch.  But to me, Taylor had the same sort of razor-sharp quality 
that Evanier attributed to Bill Cullen and Bennett Cerf.

John I. Carney  |  jicarney@l...  |  http://jicarney.cjb.net

From: stupidfantricks  <stupidfantricks@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 11:39pm
Subject: Re: Panel game shows

John I am with you here, I LOVE panel game shows! Very rarely do I 
miss a repeat of Match Game on the Game Show Network, there was an 
all new version of the show, I would say around 1998, I could be way 
off, it was entertaining (wasn't as good as the original) and even 
the early 90's version was OK. I heard that a new one was in 
development for this fall, but I guess that never happened.

I would love to see a return to it, I watched the new To Tell the 
Truth during the first season, but I didn't watch hardly any of the 
second season, it just didn't seem the same for some reason. Paula's 
absence may have had something to do with it, but I doubt it, it just 
didn't hold me, but the first season was great!

Matt
http://www.stupidfantricks.com

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 5:15am
Subject: Guess Ben ran out of money.....

From today's Hollywood Reporter:

NEW YORK -- After six seasons and nearly 400 episodes, Ben Stein won't be 
handing out any of his money any more. Comedy Central has canceled "Win Ben 
Stein's Money," its long-running game show series hosted by comedian/actor 
Ben Stein, citing shrinking ratings. The final batch of new episodes will 
air Oct. 28 through December. Launched in 1996 the quiz show featured 
contestants vying with Stein for cash.

Myself, I'll be sorry to see it go as it was an interesting twist on the 
traditional quiz show concept.  I do think the series took a dive when they 
lost Jimmy Kimmell as a co-host.  His replacement added some T&A factor (a 
la Kari Wuhrer on the old "Remote Control") but just didn't bring as much 
to the table as Kimmell.

KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

From: davenportias  <WesMcGee@cox.net>
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 6:24am
Subject: Re: Unheralded ""Popye The Sailor Man" restorations

I'm also looking forward to the return of "Late Night Black and 
White" to the schedule. I'm also giving props to CN for listing what 
shorts are going to air during the compilation shows like "Looney 
Tunes", "Tom & Jerry", etc. It's going to make it easier for me to 
hunt down the short "The Bear That Wasn't" (The Chuck Jones Show, 
Sept. 1st @ 8pm ET)

--Wesley McGee

--- In tvbarn2@y..., bob.in.jersey@j... wrote:
> 
> Tom Roche:
> 
> Barry and his staff (including the redoubtable Jerry Beck of
> www.cartoonresearch.com) are doing a =wonderful= job. The late
> timeslot has been something of a handicap, between the "Adult Swim"
> comedies and a block of Hanna-Barbera stuff, but their hard work
> will get something of a reward soon when CN moves "Popeye" up to
> 9.30PM E/P in September.
> 
> 
> -- 
> BOB

From: _Aschwartz  <schwartz@anythink.org>
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 9:09am
Subject: NY Observer mention of TVBarn

In a bit piece on the cancellation of Win Ben Stein's Money, New York 
Observer's Jason Gay gives a brief shout out to everyone's favorite 
Kansas City based Television website, TVBarn.

"Word of Ben Stein's ouster from Comedy Central first surfaced in an 
Aug. 13 posting on the Web site Tvbarn.com. "

for the whole article, check out 
http://www.observer.com/pages/nytv.asp

schwartz
--- 

Anythink.Org Newscast
http://www.anythink.org
Where Here Goes

From: kingoftelevision@cs.com
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 6:35am
Subject: Re: NY Observer mention of TVBarn

Man that is quite the scoop.
Congratulations

From The King of TV
Paul Goebel
 <A HREF="http://www.thekingoftv.com/">TheKingofTV.com</A> 


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From: spowers934  <stephen_powers@beld.net>
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:46pm
Subject: Sen. Fred Thompson joins "Law and Order"

He's replacing Dianne Wiest as the DA. What's next, Strom Thurmond 
on "Special Victims Unit"?

http://tv.zap2it.com/news/tvnewsdaily.html?27553

From: stupidfantricks  <stupidfantricks@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 1:58pm
Subject: Re: NY Observer mention of TVBarn

Paul, you are my favorite on Beet the Geeks! Keep up the good work 
there! Hey, mention Letterman once in awhile huh..

Cool that TVbarn was mentioned, congrats Aaron!

Matt
http://www.stupidfantricks.com

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 6:02pm
Subject: Re: Sen. Fred Thompson joins "Law and Order"

At 06:46 PM 8/15/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>He's replacing Dianne Wiest as the DA. What's next, Strom Thurmond
>on "Special Victims Unit"?
>
>http://tv.zap2it.com/news/tvnewsdaily.html?27553

Well, at least he was an actor turned politician then back to acting.  I 
always liked Thompson and I'm glad to see him back in the entertainment biz 
(as opposed to the work he was doing, although he was a decent 
politician).  When i first saw the headline  on the Hollywood Reporter web 
site, "Thompson to Law & Order", I thought they meant Andrea Thompson, the 
former "NYPD Blue" and "Babylon 5" actress who had a pretty spectacular 
crash & burn on CNN.


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 0:22pm
Subject: Mohr or less

ESPN Pulls Plug on 'Mohr Sports'

.c The Associated Press 

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Comedian Jay Mohr says ESPN pulled the plug on his show, 
``Mohr Sports.''

The show, which had nine time slot changes in 16 weeks, debuted on April 2 
and won't return for a second season, Mohr said during an appearance on CBS' 
``The Late Late Show.''

``It's a fancy way of saying canceled, they didn't pick up the second year 
option,'' the 31-year-old said. ``But it was a bit of a train wreck from the 
beginning.''

Mohr, who infused the show with salacious content, was recruited to Disney's 
ESPN from Fox Sports Net.

He co-stars in the comedies ``The Adventures of Pluto Nash,'' opening Friday, 
and ``Simone,'' opening Aug. 23.



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From: jicarney  <jicarney@localnet.com>
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 5:30pm
Subject: Re: Sen. Fred Thompson joins "Law and Order"

--- In tvbarn2@y..., The KJB <osiris@i...> wrote:
> Well, at least he was an actor turned politician then back to 
acting.

You missed a cycle. He was an attorney and lobbyist before becoming 
an actor.

For those who don't know it, here's the story: Thompson, as an 
attorney, worked for Sen. Howard Baker during the Watergate 
hearings. Later, after returning to Tennessee, he was involved in 
court cases surrounding the departure of Gov. Ray Blanton, who was 
brought down for selling pardons.

When a movie was made about the incident, "Marie," starring Sissy 
Spacek as whistleblower Marie Ragghianti, Thompson, who had done a 
little community theatre, was auditioned to play himself. The 
director liked him so much that he tried (unsuccessfully) to talk 
him into taking the part of Gov. Blanton instead!

Anyway, the part in "Marie" led to a part-time acting career, 
although I believe Thompson kept his hand in legal work and lobbying 
throughout.  He's had a lot of movie roles, of course, but his best 
TV role was probably as a white supremacist in "Wiseguy."  That was 
the first I became aware of him as an actor.

When Al Gore became vice president, a caretaker was appointed to the 
seat until the next election.  Thompson -- who was, recall, a 
Washington lobbyist -- defeated his Democratic opponent with folksy 
TV commercials in which he appeared in a red pickup truck.  (By way 
of disclosure, the Democratic opponent, a moderate, comes from my 
small town and I dealt with him quite often when he was a 
congressman.)

Family tragedy caused Thompson to decide, relatively late in the 
game, that he would not run for re-election this year, which caused 
a domino effect of changes in Tennessee offices.  The DA role 
on "Law & Order" seems like it would be relatively light work, and 
he should do well in the part.


John I. Carney  |  jicarney@l...  |  http://jicarney.cjb.net

From: Sue Trowbridge  <trow@interbridge.com>
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 5:38pm
Subject: Contest Searchlight

Did anyone watch Contest Searchlight on Comedy Central last night? I saw
the last half, and while the CC web site seems to indicate that the show
is legit - http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/contestsearchlight/ - it
HAS to be a satire, right? (For those who missed it, Contest Searchlight
appears to be a take-off on Project Greenlight, with the winner getting to
produce a sitcom for CC. The winning show will allegedly start airing in
January.)

Also, the show had the most intrusive product placements I've EVER seen
(for Mike's Hard Lemonade). Their logos were plastered over all the walls,
and there were frequent shots of the participants drinking lemonade out of
bottles, toasting each other with the lemonade, etc. If this is supposed
to be a joke about the ubiquity of product placements on reality TV shows,
it's a bit heavy-handed.

Please, someone, shed some light. I'm so confuuuuused!

--Sue T.

From: kingoftelevision@cs.com
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 2:05pm
Subject: Re: Contest Searchlight

In a message dated 8/15/02 3:37:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
trow@i... writes: 
> Also, the show had the most intrusive product placements I've EVER seen
> (for Mike's Hard Lemonade).
That would also be a comment on Project Greenlight, since Matt & Ben were 
constantly drinking Sam Adams.
I recognized the girl who got in a fight with Dennis. Clearly, it's not real.


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From: PGage@AOL.COM
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 4:51pm
Subject: Re: Re: Sen. Fred Thompson joins "Law and Order"

He's replacing Dianne Wiest as the DA. What's next, Strom Thurmond on 
"Special Victims Unit"?

jicarney@l... wrote...
> (SNIP) Family tragedy caused Thompson to decide, relatively late in the 
> game, that he would not run for re-election this year, which caused 
> a domino effect of changes in Tennessee offices.  The DA role 
> on "Law & Order" seems like it would be relatively light work, and 
> he should do well in the part.

PGage writes...
This is good news - I like Thompson as an actor (much better than as a 
politician), and I thought Wiest was (surprisingly) horrible as Schiff's 
replacement on L&O.

The DA and LT roles on L&O are relatively small - but crucial. I think Steven 
Hill was a major factor in establishing the longevity of L&O, and Dann Florek 
was great in the begining (I recall the stark contrast to his LA Law 
character). Epatha (forgot her last name) has not been too bad, but they 
really needed to get a new DA, and Thompson will bring the gruff, no-nonsense 
pesona that the role needs.











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From: Keith Privett  <Keith@PRIVETT.COM>
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 9:59pm
Subject: Re: Contest Searchlight (spoiler)

There are clearer clues up front...

* On the contest "It's a completely original idea"
* Leary "didn't realize they were going to film this"
* Jon Stewart backs out as the other "star" host.
* The finalist contestant names sound awfully familiar
* Every scene has a P. G. analogue


You'd surprize me if it was for real. I wouldn't be surprized if one episode of
the "winning" series airs follow by the C. S. finale about the show getting
yanked.

--- Sue Trowbridge <trow@i...> wrote:
> Did anyone watch Contest Searchlight on Comedy Central last night? I saw
> the last half, and while the CC web site seems to indicate that the show
> is legit - http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/contestsearchlight/ - it
> HAS to be a satire, right? (For those who missed it, Contest Searchlight
> appears to be a take-off on Project Greenlight, with the winner getting to
> produce a sitcom for CC. The winning show will allegedly start airing in
> January.)
> 
> Also, the show had the most intrusive product placements I've EVER seen
> (for Mike's Hard Lemonade). Their logos were plastered over all the walls,
> and there were frequent shots of the participants drinking lemonade out of
> bottles, toasting each other with the lemonade, etc. If this is supposed
> to be a joke about the ubiquity of product placements on reality TV shows,
> it's a bit heavy-handed.
> 
> Please, someone, shed some light. I'm so confuuuuused!
> 
> --Sue T.
> 
> 
> 
> TVBarn2: We're talking TV.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tvbarn2/messages
> Goodbye: tvbarn2-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 


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From: davenportias  <WesMcGee@cox.net>
Date: Thu Aug 15, 2002 11:59pm
Subject: Re: Sen. Fred Thompson joins "Law and Order"

You just put a frightening image in my head.

"Andrea Thompson makes bid for US Senate"

What is she doing now, anyway?

--- In tvbarn2@y..., The KJB <osiris@i...> wrote:
> When i first saw the headline  on the Hollywood Reporter web 
> site, "Thompson to Law & Order", I thought they meant Andrea 
Thompson, the 
> former "NYPD Blue" and "Babylon 5" actress who had a pretty 
spectacular 
> crash & burn on CNN.
> 
> 
> KJB

From: davenportias  <WesMcGee@cox.net>
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 7:07am
Subject: Re: Lousy Mouse House

Hello. I'm glad that you enjoyed the article I submitted for the link-
a-ma-bobber (though, I'm certain that someone would have put it up 
there if I hadn't). Anyway, I kinda subscribe to the Calvinist view 
of Eisner, that it's futile to talk about a competent ABC since for 
that to happen, Eisner would actually have to temper his 
micromanaging and third-guessing impulses. But say ABC didn't manage 
to sabotage Millionaire and is still riding high on that gravy-train, 
and/or incubated good programs during the time -- I'd think there'd 
still be a couple of stories about Eisner slowly hurting Disney, with 
the standard boilerplate indicating ABC's fortunes have never been 
better in this alternate universe. He's made plenty of mistakes in 
the theme-park and movie businesses over the years to justify the 
roasting.

Anyway, for anyone who wants to continue with the Disneywatching, the 
LA Weekly has a piece to follow-up the Slate and LA Times stories on 
Eisner -- though it appears to have been written before Eisner bought 
$10 Million worth of Disney stock, which I would assume give him more 
control of his destiny.

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/39/deadline-finke.php

PS, Apologies for not commenting sooner, but in the doldrums of 
August, I had to get ready to surrender more of my life to college 
studies. And I've been away from email and the web, except for navel-
gazing in my journal.

--Wesley McGee
http://sterlingsnote.cjb.net

--- In tvbarn2@y..., PGage@A... wrote:
> PGage writes...
> TVbarn has a link to the recent Slate piece on why Eisner should be 
fired (I 
> love the line "But like Neil Diamond, Eisner has been living off 
his early 
> hits for an awful long time"), and there is a similar piece in this 
morning's 
> LA times. While his control fetish and outlandish compensation are 
obvious 
> targets, it seems he would still be a wall street darling if ABC 
was 
> performing bettter. I am curious if there is a magazine article or 
book out 
> there somewhere that systematically examines the causes of ABC's 
decline? As 
> a casual observer it seems that the over-relaince on WWTBAM is a 
big part of 
> the problem - but there must be other factors, and explanations for 
the 
> WWTBAM strategy. Where might one read more about this, and about 
the Mouse's 
> chances of bouncing back?

From: stupidfantricks  <stupidfantricks@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 4:46pm
Subject: Re: Contest Searchlight

The whole show seemed very fake and scripted, still, it was 
interesting TV, you would think that actors would be able to act like 
it was real better though.

I hope the 'Shews' show is real, it sounds interesting, Jesus living 
in a New York apartment.. I'd watch, at least once.

Matt
http://www.stupidfantricks.com

From: stupidfantricks  <stupidfantricks@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 4:50pm
Subject: Gerry from Big Brother 3, Career Game Show Contestant?

So last night I was watching Hollywood Showdown on PAX, I hadn't seen 
the show in awhile (mostly because it hasn't been on the air) so I 
made sure to watch it, and who should the contestant be that is 
playing? None other than Gerry from Big Brother 3, except here he was 
more formal, calling himself Gerald and he had a cowboy giddup on.

He still seemed like the nice Gerry that all us Big Brother fans have 
gotten to know, it is just interesting to see someone on two 
different game/reality shows.

He won nearly $13,000 on Hollywood Showdown by the way.

Matt
http://www.stupidfantricks.com

From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 5:04pm
Subject: 'Real Sports' Tuesday

REAL SPORTS WITH BRYANT GUMBEL returns with a new
edition TUESDAY, 
AUG. 20 (10:00 p.m. ET/PT, 9:00 p.m. CT) with three
revealing football profiles on HBO.    
      
Segments include: 

           * Steve Spurrier.  Another year brings
another fresh start for the Washington Redskins and
their impatient owner, Daniel Snyder.  Prior to this
season Steve Spurrier became the third head coach in
three years to take the team’s helm; the former
University of Florida head coach, whose perennial
success in The Swamp made him a Gator icon, is making
his NFL head coaching debut.   
           Correspondent:  Armen Keteyian. 


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From: Jay  <lewisj@nbnet.nb.ca>
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 4:32am
Subject: Re: Gerry from Big Brother 3, Career Game Show Contestant?

He also won $20some thousand on The Chair this past winter.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: stupidfantricks <stupidfantricks@y...>
To: <tvbarn2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 5:50 PM
Subject: [tvbarn2] Gerry from Big Brother 3, Career Game Show Contestant?


> So last night I was watching Hollywood Showdown on PAX, I hadn't seen 
> the show in awhile (mostly because it hasn't been on the air) so I 
> made sure to watch it, and who should the contestant be that is 
> playing? None other than Gerry from Big Brother 3, except here he was 
> more formal, calling himself Gerald and he had a cowboy giddup on.
> 
> He still seemed like the nice Gerry that all us Big Brother fans have 
> gotten to know, it is just interesting to see someone on two 
> different game/reality shows.
> 
> He won nearly $13,000 on Hollywood Showdown by the way.
> 
> Matt
> http://www.stupidfantricks.com

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 6:08pm
Subject: someone forgot to give DishNetwork the memo

"Mohr Sports kicks off 'The Block' Tuesdays at 8 Eastern... on channel 140"


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From: imwalrus2001  <bradford1224@msn.com>
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 10:31pm
Subject: Geeks Not Geeky Enough

With all the discussion going on about Beat The Geeks, I decided to 
tape a few shows and see what all the fuss was about. I don't know if 
it's a coincidence or not but in both shows they erroneously 
eliminated a player in the "music, movie or TV show" round (or 
whatever it's called.

  In one case, the clue was "Yessongs" and the lovely Kristin blurted 
out "movie". After asking her if the word "songs" wasn't a big enough 
clue, they told her it was "music" and said bye-bye. Well, "Yessongs" 
IS a movie. It's a Yes concert movie that played in theatres back in 
the mid-70s. It's even listed in the Internet Movie Database.

  Today one of the clues was "Heartbreak Hotel" and the contestant 
again said "movie". Yeah, it was one of Presley's greatest songs but 
it was ALSO the title of a 1988 movie directed by Chris Columbus and 
starring Tuesday Weld, Charlie Schlatter and David Keith as Elvis. 
And this also caused the player to be eliminated.

  I suppose knowing this says something about how geeky *I* am, but 
one would think that either the music or movie geek would catch it 
and the show would correct their error.

From: kingoftelevision@cs.com
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 6:35pm
Subject: Re: Geeks Not Geeky Enough

In a message dated 8/16/02 8:31:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
bradford1224@m... writes: 
> I suppose knowing this says something about how geeky *I* am, but 
> one would think that either the music or movie geek would catch it 
> and the show would correct their error.
Maybe you should watch the shows again and a little more closely.
The host specifically tells the contestants to answer whether the phrase is 
BEST KNOWN for movies music or TV.
Heartbreak Hotel was a song long before a movie.
Yessongs would have never been a movie had it not been an album first.
I hope this clears things up.


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From: jicarney  <jicarney@localnet.com>
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 10:58pm
Subject: Re: Geeks Not Geeky Enough

--- In tvbarn2@y..., kingoftelevision@c... wrote:
> The host specifically tells the contestants to answer whether the 
phrase is 
> BEST KNOWN for movies music or TV.

Obviously, you would know (grin).  And, speaking as an average 
viewer, I've always understood that rule as well.

Really, when you think about it, in the age of media synergy the 
segment would be pretty meaningless if they didn't have that 
disclaimer.  Nowadays, almost any really successful project in one 
medium has spinoffs in at least one other medium; movies and TV have 
soundtrack CDs, CDs have promotional TV specials or videos, TV shows 
are turned into movies, movies are turned into TV shows and what 
have you.

Of course, there may be a few cases where you could legitimately 
argue which is the best-known project.  There have been a few 
movies, though I'm drawing a blank right now, where the soundtrack 
album was a hit even though the movie was a flop.  Also, you would 
probably get movie buffs who would argue for the movie version of, 
say, "The Odd Couple" even though the TV version was seen by 
millions more people.  But I'm sure the producers just avoid those 
instances whenever they think about it.


John I. Carney  |  jicarney@l...  |  http://jicarney.cjb.net

From: stupidfantricks  <stupidfantricks@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 0:46am
Subject: Re: Gerry from Big Brother 3, Career Game Show Contestant?

Oh wow, I didn't know that one, no wonder he can afford to take 3 
months off work to be on Big Brother. I sure like Gerry though!

Matt
http://stupidfantricks.com

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 2:40am
Subject: Re: Re: Geeks Not Geeky Enough

At 03:58 AM 8/17/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>Of course, there may be a few cases where you could legitimately
>argue which is the best-known project.  There have been a few
>movies, though I'm drawing a blank right now, where the soundtrack
>album was a hit even though the movie was a flop.  Also, you would
>probably get movie buffs who would argue for the movie version of,
>say, "The Odd Couple" even though the TV version was seen by
>millions more people.  But I'm sure the producers just avoid those
>instances whenever they think about it.

Agreed.  Personally, while I like the show, I do think that "lightning 
round" needs to be re-thought a little.  There are good arguments either 
way for some of the answers used on the show.  Of course, the producers are 
the final arbiters for any disputes but it does make the contest seem 
uneven at times in what is otherwise a decent little show.


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

From: stupidfantricks  <stupidfantricks@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 0:54am
Subject: Re: Geeks Not Geeky Enough

Yes, I imagine that they steer away from items that are well known in 
more than one category. Half of the things in that round I have no 
idea what they are, I am amazed when contestants get them right, and 
then even more amazed when the geeks know way more than anyone should 
about the said item.

I would hope that they would avoid things like "Man on the Moon" it 
was a movie a few years ago, but it was also a very successful R.E.M. 
song, or "Ozzy Osbourne" who has been in music forever but also stars 
in the popular "The Osbournes" TV show.

I have yet to find anything to close to call on the show though.

Matt
http://www.stupidfantricks.com

From: stupidfantricks  <stupidfantricks@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 1:00am
Subject: Re: someone forgot to give DishNetwork the memo

Isn't it a shame BUY DIRECTV that that show got BUY DIRECTV 
cancelled? I though BUY DIRECTV that Jay was very BUY DIRECTV funny 
on the show BUY DIRECTV and accomplished a lot BUY DIRECTV 
considering all it's BUY DIRECTV time-slot changes BUY DIRECTV, it 
made the BUY DIRECTV show hard to find BUY DIRECTV sometimes. 
Whenever I BUY DIRECTV cought it it never BUY DIRECTV failed to make 
BUY DIRECTV me laugh.

It was just BUY DIRECTV nice to finally see a BUY DIRECTV funny talk 
show hosted BUY DIRECTV by someone named Jay!

Matt--who thinks everyone should buy DirecTV
http://www.stupidfantricks.com

From: stupidfantricks  <stupidfantricks@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 1:04am
Subject: Oh, and is anyone else pissed about Family Fued?

I mean, firing Louie and bringing in Al Borlan? What the hell are 
these people thinking? For a half hour game show, Family Fued is 
doing just fine the way it is!

I know he was fired several months ago, but I have still been able to 
catch repeats, and the sooner the fall gets, the sooner we don't have 
any more Louie! It is starting to sink in and all now, I say 
the "new" Family Fued won't make it to fall 2003, I know I won't be 
watching.

Matt
http://www.stupidfantricks.com

From: kingoftelevision@cs.com
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 9:12pm
Subject: Re: Re: Geeks Not Geeky Enough

In a message dated 8/16/02 8:58:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
jicarney@l... writes: 
> Also, you would 
> probably get movie buffs who would argue for the movie version of, 
> say, "The Odd Couple" even though the TV version was seen by 
> millions more people.  But I'm sure the producers just avoid those 
> instances whenever they think about it.
There was an instance where the item was "House Calls" and the contestant 
said movie and was buzzed. The movie geek and I both brought up the fact that 
it was based on a movie that was just as popular, so they gave it to her.


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From: imwalrus2001  <bradford1224@msn.com>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 1:49am
Subject: Re: Geeks Not Geeky Enough

--- In tvbarn2@y..., kingoftelevision@c... wrote:

> Maybe you should watch the shows again and a little more closely.
> The host specifically tells the contestants to answer whether the 
phrase is 
> BEST KNOWN for movies music or TV.
> Heartbreak Hotel was a song long before a movie.
> Yessongs would have never been a movie had it not been an album 
first.
> I hope this clears things up.

  OK, "best known". (And I admit I didn't catch that phrase in the 
telecast.)Is "Dock Of The Bay" better known as an Otis Redding song 
or a Michael Bolton song? Unfortunately, the "correct" answer could 
depend on the age of the person asking the question. And, as someone 
pointed out, was the "Odd Couple" a movie or television show?

  I'm not claiming that the answers the producers were looking for 
weren't the BEST answers but, as I mentioned before, I've seen just 
two shows and in both cases these answers resulted in somebody 
getting the boot. One would think think that in an elimination round 
they would use questions where there was one and only one definitive 
answer.

  (And "Yessongs" wasn't an album first. They were created 
simultaneously, the album being recorded during the same concerts 
that were filmed -- although the movie and the album sometimes used 
different performances of the same song.)

  And now let's all go have pie! 8-)

From: kingoftelevision@cs.com
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 9:53pm
Subject: Re: Re: Geeks Not Geeky Enough

In a message dated 8/16/02 11:49:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
bradford1224@m... writes: 
> OK, "best known". (And I admit I didn't catch that phrase in the 
> telecast.)Is "Dock Of The Bay" better known as an Otis Redding song 
> or a Michael Bolton song? 
Wow, good point. Oh wait bad point, considering both answers would be music.


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From: imwalrus2001  <bradford1224@msn.com>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 1:53am
Subject: Re: Geeks Not Geeky Enough

--- In tvbarn2@y..., kingoftelevision@c... wrote:
> In a message dated 8/16/02 8:58:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> jicarney@l... writes: 
> > Also, you would 
> > probably get movie buffs who would argue for the movie version 
of, 
> > say, "The Odd Couple" even though the TV version was seen by 
> > millions more people.  But I'm sure the producers just avoid 
those 
> > instances whenever they think about it.
> There was an instance where the item was "House Calls" and the 
contestant 
> said movie and was buzzed. The movie geek and I both brought up the 
fact that 
> it was based on a movie that was just as popular, so they gave it 
to her.

  Well, there you go. Glad to hear it!!

  (Your post didn't arrive until I had already sent mine off.)

From: imwalrus2001  <bradford1224@msn.com>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 1:59am
Subject: Re: Geeks Not Geeky Enough

--- In tvbarn2@y..., kingoftelevision@c... wrote:
> In a message dated 8/16/02 11:49:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> bradford1224@m... writes: 
> > OK, "best known". (And I admit I didn't catch that phrase in the 
> > telecast.)Is "Dock Of The Bay" better known as an Otis Redding 
song 
> > or a Michael Bolton song? 
> Wow, good point. Oh wait bad point, considering both answers would 
be music.

  You consider Michael Bolton music?

  Stick to television! 8-)

From: kingoftelevision@cs.com
Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 10:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: Geeks Not Geeky Enough

In a message dated 8/16/02 11:59:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
bradford1224@m... writes: 
> You consider Michael Bolton music?
Only his early work with "Bolton"


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From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 4:03am
Subject: Re: Re: Geeks Not Geeky Enough

At 02:12 AM 8/17/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>There was an instance where the item was "House Calls" and the contestant
>said movie and was buzzed. The movie geek and I both brought up the fact that
>it was based on a movie that was just as popular, so they gave it to her.

Fact is, this ain't "Jeopardy", gang and the questions don't go through the 
umpteen levels of fact checking that they would on that show.  Nor should 
they but when you use a term like "best known", it's always going to come 
down to an opinion on the part of the people writing the questions, who 
will also inevitably show their age with the answer they pick as being 
"best known".  So it's really, best known if you happen to be in the 
writer's age group.

It's like the old joke about explaining Paul McCartney and the Beatles to a 
kid - In the late 70's the punchline was  "he was in a band before Wings?", 
in the 80's it was "he was in band?" and now, the answer would be "who is 
Paul McCartney?"  Again, I think it's a weak point in an otherwise good game.


KJB
(who is a little dismayed at the fact that the spell checker thought 
"umpteen" was a real word)

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 4:06am
Subject: Re: Oh, and is anyone else pissed about Family Fued?

At 06:04 AM 8/17/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>I mean, firing Louie and bringing in Al Borlan? What the hell are
>these people thinking? For a half hour game show, Family Fued is
>doing just fine the way it is!

No, not really.  I didn't think Louie was all that great.  I'm not too 
enthused about Al Borland taking over (will he still be wearing 
flannel?  Will he be able to fix the board if it breaks?) but it doesn't 
keep me awake at night.  From what I gather with the show's ratings, we're 
only about six weeks away from the Dickie Dawson Desperation Deal before 
this incarnation finally sinks.


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 4:12am
Subject: Re: Re: Geeks Not Geeky Enough

At 03:01 AM 8/17/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > You consider Michael Bolton music?
>Only his early work with "Bolton"

Funny that I see this right after viewing the pilot to "Boomtown".  There's 
a scene where a kid nearly gets his head blown off for shoplifting a 
Michael Bolton CD.  Talk about a senseless death.  It's probably the most 
network time Bolton has gotten in years.


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com (currently under re-construction)
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

From: Anthony Foglia  <afoglia@physics.ucsb.edu>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 3:51am
Subject: Re: Re: Geeks Not Geeky Enough

On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, The KJB wrote:

> KJB
> (who is a little dismayed at the fact that the spell checker thought 
> "umpteen" was a real word)

	Yeah.  Who'd've thought "umpteen" would be a real word, what with 
it being in the dictionary and all?
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=umpteen

--Anthony
But would "umpteen" by movies, music, or TV?

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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 1:23am
Subject: Re: Re: Geeks Not Geeky Enough

>And, as someone pointed out, was the "Odd Couple" a movie 
>or television show?

Actually, I think Neil Simon considers it a play, and a rather good one. Then 
again, it's no Lion King. 


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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 1:23am
Subject: Re: Oh, and is anyone else pissed about Family Fued?

>I mean, firing Louie and bringing in Al Borlan? What the hell are 
>these people thinking? For a half hour game show, Family Fued is 
>

I don't think so, Tim. 


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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 1:23am
Subject: with no contact from the outside world...

Big Brother 3' has Something to "Crow" About - Sheryl Crow!

CBS Boasts a Real Pop Idol When Multiple Grammy Award-Winner Sheryl Crow  
Performs an Exclusive Concert at the Big Brother 3 House Wednesday's 'Big 
Brother 3' to be a Special Two-Hour Broadcast 

NEW YORK, Aug. 15 /PRNewswire/ -- Multiple Grammy Award winner Sheryl Crow 
and her band will perform an exclusive mini-concert for the HouseGuests on a 
special two-hour edition of BIG BROTHER 3 on Wednesday, Aug. 21 (9:00-11:00 
PM) on the CBS Television Network.

In this surprise luxury reward for the HouseGuests, Crow, the winner of eight 
Grammy Awards, will perform three songs with her band, including "Soak Up the 
Sun" and "Steve McQueen" from her current album C'mon, C'mon, plus her 1994 
breakout hit "All I Wanna Do."  C'mon, C'mon debuted in the Spring on the 
Billboard album chart at #2, and spent four months in the Top 20, with the 
first single, "Soak Up the Sun" becoming the unofficial theme for Summer 
2002.  In addition to performing, Crow will be given a tour of the interior 
of the Big Brother house by the HouseGuests.

Web fans who have signed up for live streaming video from the Big Brother 
house via CBS.com will be able to watch Crow's exclusive performance live on 
Tuesday, Aug. 20 starting at approximately 7:00 PM, PT (10:00 PM, ET). An 
edited version of her performance as well as nominations and the veto meeting 
will be shown on Wednesday's special two-hour edition of BIG BROTHER 3.

BIG BROTHER 3 is broadcast three nights a week Wednesday, (9:00-10:00 PM, 
ET/PT), Thursday and Saturday, (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television 
Network.


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From: Jon Delfin  <jondelfin@nyc.rr.com>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 6:31am
Subject: Re: Re: Geeks Not Geeky Enough

> KJB
> (who is a little dismayed at the fact that the spell checker thought
> "umpteen" was a real word)

from Random House Unabridged:

umpteen, adj., informal
innumerable; many
also umpsteen, umteen
[1915-20; ump(ty), fanciful designation for an indeterminate number
(with -ty as in twenty, etc.) + -TEEN]

oh, those wacky nonce words


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From: jicarney  <jicarney@localnet.com>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:20pm
Subject: Goodson needs Gingko

I had been taping Game Show Network's morning "To Tell The Truth" 
blocks this week, and Friday's block was somewhat of a novelty -- 
two episodes from the Bud Collyer version and two episodes from the 
Alex Trebek version, all four of which were guest-hosted by producer 
Mark Goodson. In Collyer's case, it was because of illness, while 
Trebek was called away for the birth of a child.

The funny thing about seeing the two in conjunction was that Goodson 
clearly and unmistakably states during the first Trebek episode that 
this is his first time to come out from backstage and host the 
program.  Could he have forgotten about the Collyer incident? Or did 
he think it just sounded better to say that he'd never done it 
before?

To be perfectly honest, I didn't end up watching most of the 
episode, and so it's possible he corrected himself at some point.  
But I just thought it was weird.


John I. Carney  |  jicarney@l...  |  http://jicarney.cjb.net

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:19pm
Subject: RE: Goodson needs Gingko

> I had been taping Game Show Network's morning "To Tell The Truth" 
> blocks this week, and Friday's block was somewhat of a novelty -- 
> two episodes from the Bud Collyer version and two episodes from the 
> Alex Trebek version, all four of which were guest-hosted by producer 
> Mark Goodson. In Collyer's case, it was because of illness, while 
> Trebek was called away for the birth of a child.
> 
> The funny thing about seeing the two in conjunction was that Goodson 
> clearly and unmistakably states during the first Trebek episode that 
> this is his first time to come out from backstage and host the 
> program.  Could he have forgotten about the Collyer incident? Or did 
> he think it just sounded better to say that he'd never done it 
> before?
> 
> To be perfectly honest, I didn't end up watching most of the 
> episode, and so it's possible he corrected himself at some point.  
> But I just thought it was weird.

No, he didn't.  He must've forgotten.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: stupidfantricks  <stupidfantricks@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 8:26pm
Subject: Re: Oh, and is anyone else pissed about Family Fued?

Well no, he's not the BEST at the job, he is just very likable. He 
messes up sometimes, but he is a lot more likable than Richard Karn 
or whoever. Tribune just can't have a host who has the tant of 
scandle I guess, even though, it hasn't hurt the ratings. Granted the 
ratings aren't what they once were, but that is more 9/11 than 
anything, before then the ratings were golden.

Matt
http://www.stupidfantricks.com

From: John Bridges  <tvbarn@peekpoke.com>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 8:56pm
Subject: Re: Re: Oh, and is anyone else pissed about Family Fued?

On Sun, 18 Aug 2002 01:26:20 -0000, stupidfantricks wrote:

> Granted the 
>ratings aren't what they once were, but that is more 9/11 than 
>anything, before then the ratings were golden.

Huh?

Ratings on game shows has declined across the board since 9/11?

Perhaps you don't mean ratings, but rather ad revenue.

I wonder if Richard Dawson is even functional enough to come back and do the
show anymore? Would he do it even if they asked?

IMDb says he last hosted it 7 years ago. He's now almost 70.

From: Keith Privett  <Keith@PRIVETT.COM>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 10:10pm
Subject: Re: with no contact from the outside world...

--- tomalhe@a... wrote:
> Big Brother 3' has Something to "Crow" About - Sheryl Crow!
> 
> NEW YORK, Aug. 15 /PRNewswire/ -- Multiple Grammy Award winner Sheryl Crow 
> and her band will perform an exclusive mini-concert for the HouseGuests on a 
> special two-hour edition of BIG BROTHER 3 on Wednesday, Aug. 21 (9:00-11:00 
> PM) on the CBS Television Network.
> 
> ...In addition to performing, Crow will be given a tour of the interior 
> of the Big Brother house by the HouseGuests.
 
And then she'll join Arthur Fonzarelli in a motorcycle jump over the BB
swimming pool, filled with sharks....

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From: stupidfantricks  <stupidfantricks@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 10:14pm
Subject: Re: Oh, and is anyone else pissed about Family Fued?

He wouldn't come back again, I guarantee that. He did a few years ago 
like you said, he was horrible, he had lost his edge, you could 
barely hear what he was saying, he was great in his prime, but I 
don't see him ever coming back, he is enjoying his family and his 
retirement.

My favorite host of all time is Louie though, he just seems more real 
than the ones in the past. Just my humble opinion.

Matt
http://www.stupidfantricks.com

From: erin_palicki  <soprano2@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 11:50pm
Subject: Re: Sen. Fred Thompson joins "Law and Order"

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "davenportias" <WesMcGee@c...> wrote:
> You just put a frightening image in my head.
> 
> "Andrea Thompson makes bid for US Senate"
> 
> What is she doing now, anyway?
> 
>
Ask, and you shall receive. :-)

I found this on Google.


Former news anchor Andrea Thompson, 42, hired by Court TV channel
 
ATLANTA (AP) - Andrea Thompson, the former NYPD Blue actress and CNN 
Headline News anchor, has been hired by Court TV. Thompson will host 
a three-hour block of programming on Saturday evenings beginning June 
8. 

The block, in which Thompson will introduce shows and speak during 
breaks, will include reruns of NYPD Blue and episodes of Forensic 
Files, a series about how police solve crimes. 

Thompson, 42, left Atlanta-based CNN in March after less than a year 
there. She joined the cable channel in June 2001 after just a year of 
experience in the TV news business, working as a correspondent for 
KRQE-TV in Albuquerque, N.M. 

Nude photos of Thompson appeared on several Internet sites, adding to 
criticism that CNN had gone Hollywood at the expense of news 
professionalism. 

Court TV is owned by Liberty Media and AOL Time Warner, which also 
owns CNN. 

� The Canadian Press, 2002

I'm a big "Babylon 5" fan, but I have to admit that when I first saw 
Andrea Thompson on "NYPD Blue" I didn't recognize her, because she 
had changed her appearance so much.  It was the voice that finally 
made me recognize her.

Would Andrea be any worse than some of the people currently in 
Congress? :-)

Erin, delurking just to send this article, and who is glad she's not 
the only one who knows Thompson from "Bablyon 5"

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:53pm
Subject: Re: Re: Oh, and is anyone else pissed about Family Fued?

>> Tribune just can't have a host who has the tant of 
> >

Louie's personal problems and the tabloid revelations of such didn't actually 
hurt the ratings. 




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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:53pm
Subject: Re: Re: Oh, and is anyone else pissed about Family Fued?

>> I wonder if Richard Dawson is even functional enough to come back 
>> 

Oh did you definitely not watch the E! True hollywood Story... don't worry 
it'll be on again soon. it's E! after all. 


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