From: Anthony Foglia  <afoglia@physics.ucsb.edu>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 3:10am
Subject: Re: Sopranos question

On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Jay Lewis wrote:

> Anyway, I mentioned to him that I noticed something "odd" in the opening 
> sequence. There was, what looked to me like, a deliberate shot of the 
> Statue of Liberty.  He said it replaced a shot of the twin towers (of the 
> WTC). Can anyone (with a DVD or tape) prove otherwise or is it a 
> replacement insert?

	There was a shot of the WTC in the opening for the first three 
seasons, and it was eliminated this season.  Unfortunately, I wasn't 
paying much attention to the visuals of the opening last night when I saw 
both episodes.  I have them on tape, and if I remember, on Monday I'll 
compare the new opening to the old.

	If they did replace them, weren't the Twin Towers seen in the side 
view mirror or Tony's car?  I can't imagine where he'd be driving to see 
the Statue of Liberty appearing with anything approaching the apparent 
size of the WTC.

> Tangentially, does anyone else see this as being a minor plot point this 
> season?  Tony runs into some Arabic people on his turf (muscling in, 
> perhaps) and exacts "revenge" on them. It's entirely in Tony's persona to 
> pursue vendettas (travel guy in Maine, soccer coach) so maybe it isn't out 
> of the question. (and certianly controversial which the show doesn't shy 
> away from).

	Who owned the hotel that he slowly took over in seson two?  Were 
they Arabic or Jewish?  I don't remember.

	I doubt any anti-arab racism will be a "plot point" but maybe an 
incident.  And it'd be much more in character for Chris to go too far and 
beat anyone who looks arabic.

--Anthony

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From: Jay Lewis  <lewisj@nbnet.nb.ca>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 9:31am
Subject: Re: Sopranos question

At 01:10 AM 9/26/02 -0700, you wrote:
>         Who owned the hotel that he slowly took over in seson two?  Were
>they Arabic or Jewish?  I don't remember.

Jewish...Hacidic I think (did I even spell that properly?)

>         I doubt any anti-arab racism will be a "plot point" but maybe an
>incident.  And it'd be much more in character for Chris to go too far and
>beat anyone who looks arabic.

Yeah, incident was the word I wanted to use but couldn't think of at the
time (correct on Chris too).

BTW, if things keep progressing the way they are...will they have to rebadge
the show as The Moltisantis next season?  :)

From: schilder666  <schilder666@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 9:34am
Subject: Re: Sopranos question

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Jay Lewis <lewisj@n...> wrote:
> Anyway, I mentioned to him that I noticed something "odd" in the 
> opening sequence. There was, what looked to me like, a deliberate 
> shot of the Statue of Liberty. 

I would venture to say every shot in the opening credits is 
deliberate.  The Statue of Liberty was there in previous seasons.  Is 
the shot longer?  Didn't strike me as such.

Lorraine Bracco's credit used to be over the image of the WTC in 
Tony's side mirror.  Now her credit is over the toll booth if memory 
serves...

From: Paul Stephen  <pstephen@mb.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 0:07pm
Subject: Nia Vardalos and all her Greek Relatives to be on OPRAH

Nia Vardalos, star/writer of "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" and 42 of her
relatives are going to be on Oprah today (Thursday, Sept. 26th).

Oprah even flew in her parents who were vacationing in Greece.

Not a bad birthday present. (Sept. 24th is her birthday).

Tune in. I'm sure you'll get a kick out of this show.

Paul in the Peg

From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 11:21am
Subject: "Hunter" returns

FORMER NBC STARS FRED DRYER AND STEPFANIE KRAMER REUNITE IN 
THE NBC TWO-HOUR MOVIE EVENT 'HUNTER: RETURN TO JUSTICE' FOR 
BROADCAST NOVEMBER 16


	BURBANK, California - September 26, 2002 - Former NBC series 
stars Fred Dryer and Stepfanie Kramer of the hit drama "Hunter" 
reunite in NBC's new two-hour movie, "Hunter: Return to Justice." 
The longform event will be telecast on Saturday, November 16 (9-11 
p.m. ET).

"Hunter: Return to Justice" brings back the series (1984-91) original 
cast members Dryer ("Land's End") and Kramer ("The Dogwalker"), who 
return as veteran Los Angeles Police Detectives Rick Hunter and Dee 
Dee McCall, respectively.

"Hunter: Return to Justice" is the first of two "Hunter" TV movies 
scheduled for broadcast this season on NBC.

In the new movie, after a drug bust goes bad, Hunter (Dryer) is left 
standing alone with a dead partner as a police investigation 
questions his integrity.  Taking some time off from the job, Hunter 
visits San Diego to see his old friend and former partner McCall 
(Kramer).  However, Hunter finds himself pressed into service once 
again when McCall's fiance' - San Diego mayoral candidate Roger 
Prescott (Sam Hennings, "Moonlighting") -- kills an intruder during a 
home robbery and unleashes a mysterious chain of events that connects 
Prescott to a suspicious former Russian KGB Agent Peter J. Lucas).

Dryer's credits include the TV movies "The Kid from Nowhere," 
"Starmaker," "The Fantastic World of D.C. Collins" and the recent 
"The Wisdom Keeper."  He also starred in the syndicated television 
drama series "Land's End."   He also was executive producer and 
director of the independent film "Highway 395."

Citing "Hunter" as the turning point in his career, Dryer became the 
executive producer and director for many of the "Hunter" episodes 
during the last few years of its seven-year run.

Kramer's credits include such television movies as "Bridge Across 
Time," "Favorite Son," "Take My Daughters, Please," and "Beyond 
Suspicion."  Her other projects include starring roles in the series 
"We Got It Made," "Married: The First Year" and "The Secret Empire," 
as well as a role in the recent TV movie, "The Dogwalker."

"Hunter: Return to Justice" is produced by Vic Schiro and Scott 
Levitta ("Silk Stalkings").  Dryer, Emmy Award winner Stephen J. 
Cannell ("The Rockford Files"), Stu Segall ("The Chronicle") and 
Frank Lupo ("Wiseguy") - who also penned the teleplay --serve as 
executive producers.  Bradford May ("Jag") directs the movie produced 
by Stu Segall Productions for 20th Century Fox Television and NBC 
Studios.

From: Jay Lewis  <lewisj@nbnet.nb.ca>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 11:42am
Subject: Re: Re: Sopranos question

At 02:34 PM 9/26/02 +0000, you wrote:
>--- In tvbarn2@y..., Jay Lewis <lewisj@n...> wrote:
> > Anyway, I mentioned to him that I noticed something "odd" in the
> > opening sequence. There was, what looked to me like, a deliberate
> > shot of the Statue of Liberty.
>
>I would venture to say every shot in the opening credits is
>deliberate.  The Statue of Liberty was there in previous seasons.  Is
>the shot longer?  Didn't strike me as such.

Well, it seemed to last, maybe, 1/2-3/4 of a second.


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From: squid4brains  <squid4brains@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 0:06pm
Subject: West Wing question

On last night's premier, Toby shared some stellar quotes from Gov. 
Richie (i.e. "Mexico is part of NATO.").  Does anyone know if those 
happened to be actual Prez-dint Dubya quotes?

From: wryancraig  <wryancraig@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 1:36pm
Subject: Sopranos/Curb - the best one-two punch on TV since....

West Wing/Law & Order, circa 2000?
Seinfeld/ER, circa mid-1990's? (conveniently forgetting whatever 
dreck ran at 9:30)
Cheers/Seinfeld, 1993?
Carson/Letterman?
All in the Family/MASH, early 1970s?

(any other options?)

For my money, I can't remember any other time in my television-
watching past that I've derived as much pleasure and satisfaction 
from a weekly block of series television than I have with Tony 
Soprano and Larry David.

From: jbelkin800  <jbelkin800@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 2:01pm
Subject: IKEA ad

Yes, the IKEA ad is great because a) it doesn't show a hyperfrenzy
person who life's existence counts on buying this object or getting to
this sale (ie: Mervyn's, people (mostly women) in the afternoon spots
buying cleaning products).

b) it not only shows great directing but shows us how we can easily be
manipulated by great directing ... along with some weather effects and
lighting ... and how we as a society, we're quick to animism almost
anything.

So, really, it's an preverse consumerism spot that mocks us consumers
but paradoxically, in our society, we appreciate the irony of those
that mock us and let us in on the joke ... thus creating a warm
feeling about this advertiser and allows us to feel okay about rampant
consumerism.

Pretty damn good for :30 seconds.

From: Evan Stokley  <evanstok@freenet.fsu.edu>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 2:15pm
Subject: West Wing Demographics

I remember hearing/reading at some point that The West Wing has the
highest median income viewership in prime time.  Given that, does
anyone know if figures exist as to the political breakdown of those
who watch the show?  Are statistics like that even kept?  More
Democrats watch such and such than any other show and that sort of
thing?

Assuming the high income numbers are correct, I'm wondering if The
West Wing, which is constantly accused of being leftist propaganda,
has more Republican viewers than Democrats.

From: jbelkin800  <jbelkin800@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 2:19pm
Subject: Re: Sopranos/Curb - the best one-two punch on TV since....

Not disagreeing with you but "Curb" (as much as I enjoy it) requires
your full attention ... they really need something light but innocuous
there because you really time to genuflect after Sporanos (not Mind of
Married Man - the dumbest self indulgent show ever on HBO).

Something like KING OF QUEENS, amusing but 2 minutes after, you don't
remember a thing - then they should air Curb.

as for MIND of MARRIED MAN, does it seem creepy to you that a dork guy
who is the producer hires himself (creepy, charmless, unlikeable on
camera) as a guy who gets women all around to tear off their clothes?
Even if you thought Dream On was implausible, at least the lead guy
was a hired talent and not just the producer who wanted to be with
naked women on the set ... bad on many levels.

JB

BTW, 1993 started out as Seinfeld/Frasier - then it all went to hell
after that (Madman of the People, Veronica's Closet, et ...)

In 1985 & 1986, NBC THURSDAY was Cosby, Family Ties, Cheers, Night
Court and Hill Street Blues ... that's a little hard to top. 

I wasn't really watching much Tv in 1973 but I guess the older
generation would go for CBS SATURDAY in 1973: All in the Family, MASH,
MTM, Bob Newhart and Carol Burnett. (That lineup was only intact for a
year - MASH was moved to Tuesday the next year). 

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "wryancraig" <wryancraig@y...> wrote:
> West Wing/Law & Order, circa 2000?
> Seinfeld/ER, circa mid-1990's? (conveniently forgetting whatever 
> dreck ran at 9:30)
> Cheers/Seinfeld, 1993?
> Carson/Letterman?
> All in the Family/MASH, early 1970s?
> 
> (any other options?)
> 
> For my money, I can't remember any other time in my television-
> watching past that I've derived as much pleasure and satisfaction 
> from a weekly block of series television than I have with Tony 
> Soprano and Larry David.

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 2:19pm
Subject: RE: Re: Sopranos/Curb - the best one-two punch on TV si nce....

> Not disagreeing with you but "Curb" (as much as I enjoy it) requires
> your full attention ... they really need something light but innocuous
> there because you really time to genuflect after Sporanos (not Mind of
> Married Man - the dumbest self indulgent show ever on HBO).

I don't know if anything on the current HBO docket fits that bill, with the
possible exception of "Sex and the City" or maybe "Arli$$"--but they need
those shows for when "The Sopranos" is not on.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: jbelkin800  <jbelkin800@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 2:22pm
Subject: Re: West Wing Demographics

Nielsen doesn't normally track party affiliation but you are right
about the highest median income stat.

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Evan Stokley <evanstok@f...> wrote:
> I remember hearing/reading at some point that The West Wing has the
> highest median income viewership in prime time.  Given that, does
> anyone know if figures exist as to the political breakdown of those
> who watch the show?  Are statistics like that even kept?  More
> Democrats watch such and such than any other show and that sort of
> thing?
> 
> Assuming the high income numbers are correct, I'm wondering if The
> West Wing, which is constantly accused of being leftist propaganda,
> has more Republican viewers than Democrats.

From: Laurel Krahn  <laurel@windowseat.org>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 2:54pm
Subject: Re: West Wing Demographics

On 9/26/2002 at 3:15 PM Evan Stokley wrote:

>I remember hearing/reading at some point that The West Wing has the
>highest median income viewership in prime time.  Given that, does
>anyone know if figures exist as to the political breakdown of those
>who watch the show?  Are statistics like that even kept?  More
>Democrats watch such and such than any other show and that sort of
>thing?
>
>Assuming the high income numbers are correct, I'm wondering if The
>West Wing, which is constantly accused of being leftist propaganda,
>has more Republican viewers than Democrats.

I know that a year or two ago I saw some magazine or newspaper (I
forget which one) claim that The West Wing was the most popular
series among Young Republicans.  And it went on to say that it's very
popular with Republicans, period.

No, I don't know where they got their figures.  

FWIW,

--
Laurel Krahn | www.tvpicks.net

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 2:54pm
Subject: RE: West Wing Demographics

> I know that a year or two ago I saw some magazine or newspaper (I
> forget which one) claim that The West Wing was the most popular
> series among Young Republicans.  And it went on to say that it's very
> popular with Republicans, period.

Then why is it that on TV discussions on the more wide open message boards
or in rec.arts.tv you always get some freerepublic.com type complaining
about "The Left Wing--uh, I mean The West Wing?"  Do the far right watch the
show to get pissed off on purpose?

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: Evan Stokley  <evanstok@freenet.fsu.edu>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 3:21pm
Subject: Re: West Wing Demographics

On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:54:45 -0500, you wrote:

>> I know that a year or two ago I saw some magazine or newspaper (I
>> forget which one) claim that The West Wing was the most popular
>> series among Young Republicans.  And it went on to say that it's very
>> popular with Republicans, period.
>
>Then why is it that on TV discussions on the more wide open message boards
>or in rec.arts.tv you always get some freerepublic.com type complaining
>about "The Left Wing--uh, I mean The West Wing?"  Do the far right watch the
>show to get pissed off on purpose?

It was a posting in rec.arts.tv that prompted the question, actually.
In my experience, only Yahoo message boards regularly rival
rec.arts.tv for sheer stupidity.

There is, I think, a masochistic streak among the true believers of
any sort.  Of course, I keep going back to rec.arts.tv, so maybe the
masochism is more general.

From: lister1967  <lister1967@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 3:25pm
Subject: Re: New Season Query ~

--- In tvbarn2@y..., TelevisonGrl@a... wrote:
> KJB is me -- I hoped for the best for "Firefly" and was really 
disappointed 
> (the lead couldn't be duller if he was Riley Finn from "BtVS").  

Off topic but I always kind of liked Riley... he was supposed to be 
the "average" guy ... and he succeeded! But for me he was 
exactly what was needed to give contrast to Angel & Spike.


> "John Doe", 
> however, was terrific -- piano playing issues aside -- and could 
be a lot of 
> fun.

I forgot to TiVo it when I recorded Firefly.... I wish I had caught the 
pilot since so many have enjoyed it.

> 
> Both shows are getting a second look but if "Firefly" doesn't 
pick up, only a 
> second look.

AGREED! So far it makes me wish Dark Angel was back! I 
haven't even gotten past the first 30 minutes... dull, dull, dull...



As to other new series, I look forward to Without a Trace tonight. 
And now that MTV is repurposing Fastlane on the weekend, 
Birds of Prey is wide open! Hopefully the BOP hype will be 
accurate as Fastlane is pure guilty pleasure for me... although I 
was surprised last night that the storyline included some scenes 
focusing on the villians of the week that made them more 
endearing.

Has anyone head about the new syndicated series Starhunter I 
read about in the Programming Insider? Anyone seen a ep? Is it 
worth hunting for?

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 3:25pm
Subject: RE: West Wing Demographics

>
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:54:45 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> >> I know that a year or two ago I saw some magazine or newspaper (I
> >> forget which one) claim that The West Wing was the most popular
> >> series among Young Republicans.  And it went on to say 
> that it's very
> >> popular with Republicans, period.
> >
> >Then why is it that on TV discussions on the more wide open 
> message boards
> >or in rec.arts.tv you always get some freerepublic.com type 
> complaining
> >about "The Left Wing--uh, I mean The West Wing?"  Do the far 
> right watch the
> >show to get pissed off on purpose?
> 
> It was a posting in rec.arts.tv that prompted the question, actually.
> In my experience, only Yahoo message boards regularly rival
> rec.arts.tv for sheer stupidity.

Very little experience with the main Yahoo! boards, but trying to find
something worthwile in r.a.tv can be very futile at times amongst all of the
fanboys, overquoters, politicos, threads that drift into off-topic romancing
or flaming, racists, sexists and general morons.

> There is, I think, a masochistic streak among the true believers of
> any sort.  Of course, I keep going back to rec.arts.tv, so maybe the
> masochism is more general.

If Google would go to something like the old MyDeja newsreaders with the
marked threads (something which may be on the way since they've switched the
newsgroup posting privileges to general "membership"), I may want to dive
back into it again.  Until then (or until I get a home computer with real
newsreading capabilities), no thank you.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: wryancraig  <wryancraig@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 3:33pm
Subject: Re: Sopranos/Curb - the best one-two punch on TV since....

point of clarification: seinfeld was finally paired with cheers in 
the winter & spring of 1993, then cheers ended and the new season 
started in the fall with seinfeld/frasier (which is a pretty good 
pairing in its own right)


--- In tvbarn2@y..., "jbelkin800" <jbelkin800@y...> wrote:
> Not disagreeing with you but "Curb" (as much as I enjoy it) requires
> your full attention ... they really need something light but 
innocuous
> there because you really time to genuflect after Sporanos (not Mind 
of
> Married Man - the dumbest self indulgent show ever on HBO).
> 
> Something like KING OF QUEENS, amusing but 2 minutes after, you 
don't
> remember a thing - then they should air Curb.
> 
> as for MIND of MARRIED MAN, does it seem creepy to you that a dork 
guy
> who is the producer hires himself (creepy, charmless, unlikeable on
> camera) as a guy who gets women all around to tear off their 
clothes?
> Even if you thought Dream On was implausible, at least the lead guy
> was a hired talent and not just the producer who wanted to be with
> naked women on the set ... bad on many levels.
> 
> JB
> 
> BTW, 1993 started out as Seinfeld/Frasier - then it all went to hell
> after that (Madman of the People, Veronica's Closet, et ...)
> 
> In 1985 & 1986, NBC THURSDAY was Cosby, Family Ties, Cheers, Night
> Court and Hill Street Blues ... that's a little hard to top. 
> 
> I wasn't really watching much Tv in 1973 but I guess the older
> generation would go for CBS SATURDAY in 1973: All in the Family, 
MASH,
> MTM, Bob Newhart and Carol Burnett. (That lineup was only intact 
for a
> year - MASH was moved to Tuesday the next year). 
> 
> --- In tvbarn2@y..., "wryancraig" <wryancraig@y...> wrote:
> > West Wing/Law & Order, circa 2000?
> > Seinfeld/ER, circa mid-1990's? (conveniently forgetting whatever 
> > dreck ran at 9:30)
> > Cheers/Seinfeld, 1993?
> > Carson/Letterman?
> > All in the Family/MASH, early 1970s?
> > 
> > (any other options?)
> > 
> > For my money, I can't remember any other time in my television-
> > watching past that I've derived as much pleasure and satisfaction 
> > from a weekly block of series television than I have with Tony 
> > Soprano and Larry David.

From: lister1967  <lister1967@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 3:38pm
Subject: Saturday Morning TV Geek

I remember several weeks back when the TV Geek had 
mentioned that there was a new Saturday Morning Geek and that 
he wasn't too impressive. But after seeing a few episode (but not 
all) this week, I think the problem may have been in the 
questions... but I am not so sure...

A few nights ago, he was asked about the Bill Cosby spots in 
Captain Kangaroo (which got my attention because I was a big 
Picture Pages fan as a kid... I am singing the theme right now). 
But was Captain Kangaroo a Satuday morning show? I only ever 
watched it in the mornings before school. Were the early 
seasons on Saturdays? Was it syndicated in a weekend 
package? (he got this one wrong btw)

And last night he was asked a Looney Tunes question (which he 
did get right since it was easy). The gist of the question: what 
feathered friend was introduced in a Porky Pig cartoon (I don't 
remember the title mentioned). Obviously Daffy, but is that really 
a Saturday Morning TV question? Wouldn't that cartoon really 
have   been a short shown in movie theatres? Later it may have 
been shown on the Saturday show... but I think the question is 
weak when there are so many Saturday only shows from which 
to create questions. (still waiting to see some questions on 
Thundarr and Little Wizards...oh DVD season collections, 
wherefore art thou...) Even the Daffy Duck Mysteries seems more 
appropriate....

Thoughts?

From: Jason Snell  <jsnell@intertext.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 3:41pm
Subject: Re: Re: New Season Query ~

lister1967 wrote:

>AGREED! So far it makes me wish Dark Angel was back! I
>haven't even gotten past the first 30 minutes... dull, dull, dull...

There is no show in existence that would make me wish Dark Angel 
would come back. :-)
-- 
Jason Snell:  teevee.org - intertext.com - jsnell@i...
Visit TeeVee! http://www.teevee.org/

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 3:40pm
Subject: RE: Saturday Morning TV Geek

> I remember several weeks back when the TV Geek had 
> mentioned that there was a new Saturday Morning Geek and that 
> he wasn't too impressive. But after seeing a few episode (but not 
> all) this week, I think the problem may have been in the 
> questions... but I am not so sure...
> 
> A few nights ago, he was asked about the Bill Cosby spots in 
> Captain Kangaroo (which got my attention because I was a big 
> Picture Pages fan as a kid... I am singing the theme right now). 
> But was Captain Kangaroo a Satuday morning show? I only ever 
> watched it in the mornings before school. Were the early 
> seasons on Saturdays? Was it syndicated in a weekend 
> package? (he got this one wrong btw)

In "Captain"'s early years, it was on six days a week, Monday through
Saturday.  In the mid-60s, Keeshan dropped the Saturday show for a new show
of his called "Mister Mayor."  It bombed and he did one or two more years of
"Captain" on Saturday before he dropped the Saturday show completely
sometime in the late 60s.

> And last night he was asked a Looney Tunes question (which he 
> did get right since it was easy). The gist of the question: what 
> feathered friend was introduced in a Porky Pig cartoon (I don't 
> remember the title mentioned). Obviously Daffy, but is that really 
> a Saturday Morning TV question? Wouldn't that cartoon really 
> have   been a short shown in movie theatres? Later it may have 
> been shown on the Saturday show... but I think the question is 
> weak when there are so many Saturday only shows from which 
> to create questions. 

The argument that "Beat the Geeks" would give you is that most of their
target audience was introduced to Looney Tunes on television on Saturday
mornings, not at movie theaters (and Bugs et al were on Saturday mornings
for almost 40 years).  In this instance, I would tend to agree with them.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: lister1967  <lister1967@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 3:43pm
Subject: Re: "Hunter" returns

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Aaron Barnhart/Star <aaron@t...> wrote:
> 	FORMER NBC STARS FRED DRYER AND STEPFANIE 
KRAMER REUNITE IN 
> THE NBC TWO-HOUR MOVIE EVENT 'HUNTER: RETURN TO 
JUSTICE' FOR 
> BROADCAST NOVEMBER 16


YEAH!

I loved this show in college. I don't remember Hunter's second 
partner... I think I stopped watching when Stepfanie left the show 
(if that is what happened... it's been a while). It would be great if 
the replacement actress is the same one who gets killed in the 
TV movie. I am surprised that Stepfanie came back... didn't she 
hate working with Dryer? Isn't that why she left in the first place. 
Time heals some wounds I guess. Then again... I don't 
remember seeing her in... well... ANYTHING in 15 years.

From: lister1967  <lister1967@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 3:49pm
Subject: Re: Saturday Morning TV Geek

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Jeffries, Mark" <mjeffries@k...> wrote:
> In "Captain"'s early years, it was on six days a week, Monday 
through
> Saturday.  In the mid-60s, Keeshan dropped the Saturday 
show for a new show
> of his called "Mister Mayor."  It bombed and he did one or two 
more years of
> "Captain" on Saturday before he dropped the Saturday show 
completely
> sometime in the late 60s.


--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Jeffries, Mark" <mjeffries@k...> wrote:
> > The argument that "Beat the Geeks" would give you is that 
most of their
> target audience was introduced to Looney Tunes on television 
on Saturday
> mornings, not at movie theaters (and Bugs et al were on 
Saturday mornings
> for almost 40 years).  In this instance, I would tend to agree 
with them.


Thanks so much... it had been bothering mee for a few days. But 
I would say that if the producers were trying to shape the 
questions to a target audience, then perhaps they shouldn't have 
used the Captain since the target audience would only 
remember him from the weekday shows. It is neither here nor 
there really... I still think they should have dug a little deeper for 
questions. Again... THANKS!

From: lister1967  <lister1967@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 4:01pm
Subject: Re: New Season Query ~

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Jason Snell <jsnell@i...> wrote:
> There is no show in existence that would make me wish Dark 
Angel 
> would come back. :-)


I understand your feelings. This was a show that I would not let 
my roommate watch in the first season. I hated it that much. But 
somehow I started watching about halfway through the second 
season and I honestly feel it got a lot better... a whole lot better. I 
am not sure what cahnges production-wise in the second 
season, but I think it was really starting to click.

Maybe it was just that thery started toning down the "Yo Girl" 
stuff...   :)

From: Jim Ellwanger  <trainman1@mindspring.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 4:21pm
Subject: Re: Saturday Morning TV Geek

Mark Jeffries wrote...
>In "Captain"'s early years, it was on six days a week, Monday through
>Saturday.  In the mid-60s, Keeshan dropped the Saturday show for a new show
>of his called "Mister Mayor."  It bombed and he did one or two more years
of
>"Captain" on Saturday before he dropped the Saturday show completely
>sometime in the late 60s.

I seem to recall that "Captain Kangaroo" briefly aired on Saturday mornings
in the early '80s after it was canceled from the weekday morning time
slot...or am I confusing it with "CBS Storybreak"?

--
Jim Ellwanger <trainman1@m...>

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 4:11pm
Subject: RE: Saturday Morning TV Geek

> Mark Jeffries wrote...
> >In "Captain"'s early years, it was on six days a week, Monday through
> >Saturday.  In the mid-60s, Keeshan dropped the Saturday show 
> for a new show
> >of his called "Mister Mayor."  It bombed and he did one or 
> two more years
> of
> >"Captain" on Saturday before he dropped the Saturday show completely
> >sometime in the late 60s.
> 
> I seem to recall that "Captain Kangaroo" briefly aired on 
> Saturday mornings
> in the early '80s after it was canceled from the weekday morning time
> slot...or am I confusing it with "CBS Storybreak"?

You might be--when the CBS morning show, whatever it was called back then,
finally went to two hours "Captain" was moved at 6:30 a.m., where it stayed
until the mid-80s (and was called "Wake Up With the Captain" in its last
years), when "The CBS Early Morning News" and the infamous Bob
Saget/Mariette Hartley "Morning Program" finally put the show to an end.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: lister1967  <lister1967@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 4:20pm
Subject: Re: Saturday Morning TV Geek

%?&$?vbarn2@y..., "Jeffries, Mark" <mjeffries@k...> wrote:
> > Mark Jeffries wrote...
> You might be--when the CBS morning show, whatever it was 
called back then,
> finally went to two hours "Captain" was moved at 6:30 a.m., 
where it stayed
> until the mid-80s (and was called "Wake Up With the Captain" 
in its last
> years), when "The CBS Early Morning News" and the infamous 
Bob
> Saget/Mariette Hartley "Morning Program" finally put the show 
to an end.
> 
> Mark Jeffries
> mjeffries@k...


All well and good, yet for the Geek to have a chance at answering 
the question correctly, Bill Cosby's Picture Pages would have to 
have been shown on the 80's Saturday eps. They may well have 
been repeats... then again, I watched the show in the 70's and it 
could have been totally revamped by the 80's. In any case, I am 
very sure that Picture Pages would not have been a part of the 
Saturday shows that were seen in the 60's.

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 4:20pm
Subject: RE: Re: Saturday Morning TV Geek

> All well and good, yet for the Geek to have a chance at answering 
> the question correctly, Bill Cosby's Picture Pages would have to 
> have been shown on the 80's Saturday eps. They may well have 
> been repeats... then again, I watched the show in the 70's and it 
> could have been totally revamped by the 80's. In any case, I am 
> very sure that Picture Pages would not have been a part of the 
> Saturday shows that were seen in the 60's.

You are correct.  However, it is somewhat obvious that "Beat the Geeks"
could mean by "Saturday morning television" *all* children's television.
That's probably the wrong stance to take, but it is their show.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: Keith Privett  <Keith@PRIVETT.COM>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 4:55pm
Subject: Re: West Wing Demographics

--- Evan Stokley <evanstok@f...> wrote:
> Assuming the high income numbers are correct, I'm wondering if The
> West Wing, which is constantly accused of being leftist propaganda,
> has more Republican viewers than Democrats.
> 

Random Theories:

1. The highest income folks are urbanite Democrats ("Limousine Liberals").

2. It's Republicans who want to know what they are attacking.

3. It's Republicans who like a political "procedural" show regardless of the
opinions espoused.

4. It's Republicans who think of it as a sitcom. (A subtler "That's My
Clinton")



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From: Sue Trowbridge  <trow@interbridge.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 5:02pm
Subject: Re: Re: Saturday Morning TV Geek

For the sake of accuracy, maybe it would be easier for all concerned if
the Saturday Morning TV Geek were renamed the Kids' TV Geek. (Yeah, I know
adults watch these shows too -- I'm still a sucker for Road Runner
cartoons -- but the primary audience is probably primarily young'uns.)

--Sue T.

From: Evan Stokley  <evanstok@freenet.fsu.edu>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 5:32pm
Subject: Re: West Wing Demographics

Or 

5. Republicans who think it's left wing propaganda but like it anyway
because of the writing and the acting.

I'd probably fall into that group, though I wouldn't use a word as
loaded as propaganda to describe it.  I doubt I fit into the economic
demographic anyway though.



On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:55:22 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Random Theories:
>
>1. The highest income folks are urbanite Democrats ("Limousine Liberals").
>
>2. It's Republicans who want to know what they are attacking.
>
>3. It's Republicans who like a political "procedural" show regardless of the
>opinions espoused.
>
>4. It's Republicans who think of it as a sitcom. (A subtler "That's My
>Clinton")

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 2:32pm
Subject: Adam Carolla's crank yanked, Steve Harvey has it his way.

[Adam Carolla had been the voice of the new talking 99 cent menu board Since 
September 12th. -- tom]

'King of Comedy' Steve Harvey Signs On As Burger King(R) Spokesman

MIAMI, Sept. 26 /PRNewswire/ -- Burger King Corporation today announced that 
it has signed Steve Harvey, one of the busiest comedians in Hollywood, as a 
national spokesman appearing in television, print, radio, Internet, and other 
marketing materials for the BURGER KING(R) brand.  The first commercial, as 
part of the multi-spot deal, breaks on September 30, 2002 in support of the 
new 99 cents BK VALUE MENU(TM).

"Steve is extremely popular among our core target consumers, and has very 
broad appeal across all audiences," said Rick Dow, senior vice president, 
marketing programs and sales, Burger King Corporation.  "Steve is a genuinely 
funny man with a unique ability to adapt his comedic personality to any 
medium -- whether it be television or radio."

In addition to a seven-year run as host of "It's Showtime at the Apollo" and 
his six-year run of the WB's "The Steve Harvey Show", the Grammy- nominated, 
original King of Comedy has become the host of choice for a number of events 
like the "BET Music awards", "BET Celebrates Gospel", "The 2002 Essence 
Awards" and the "Essence Music Festival."  Harvey is also the host of the #1 
rated a.m. drive-time radio program in Los Angeles, which is soon to be 
syndicated nationwide.

Harvey was first featured in BURGER KING(R) commercials to help the company 
launch its Chicken WHOPPER(R) sandwich in April 2002.


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From: James Dinan  <jdinan8271@aol.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 6:34pm
Subject: Re: Saturday Morning TV Geek

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "lister1967" <lister1967@y...> wrote:
> I remember several weeks back when the TV Geek had 
> mentioned that there was a new Saturday Morning Geek and that 
> he wasn't too impressive. But after seeing a few episode (but not 
> all) this week, I think the problem may have been in the 
> questions... but I am not so sure...
> 
> A few nights ago, he was asked about the Bill Cosby spots in 
> Captain Kangaroo (which got my attention because I was a big 
> Picture Pages fan as a kid... I am singing the theme right now). 
> But was Captain Kangaroo a Satuday morning show? I only ever 
> watched it in the mornings before school. Were the early 
> seasons on Saturdays? Was it syndicated in a weekend 
> package? (he got this one wrong btw)
> 

      When I was as a little tyke (late 1970's-early 1980's), the 
Captain aired Saturday mornings on CBS.  In regards to an earlier 
post, I believe CBS Storybreak premiered shortly after Captain 
Kangaroo was cancelled, but I'm not 100% sure.


      James

From: Jim Ellwanger  <trainman1@mindspring.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 6:55pm
Subject: Re: Re: Saturday Morning TV Geek

All right, now that I'm home and have my copy of Wesley Hyatt's 
"Encyclopedia of Daytime Television" and my TV Guide collection, it 
turns out I'm not crazy.  Right after the half-hour "Wake Up with the 
Captain" ended in September 1982, "Captain Kangaroo" became an hourlong 
weekend show, either Saturday or Sunday mornings (Hyatt says Saturday 
and Sunday, but it looks like an "or" in the TV Guides I have).  In 
September 1984, it was cut back to a half-hour, and it ended in 
December of that year when Bob Keeshan's contract ran out.  He came 
back with "CBS Storybreak" in March 1985.

I was too old for the Captain by 1982, so I don't have any idea if Bill 
Cosby's "Picturepages" were included in the weekend version; however, I 
agree with previous posters that when they said "Saturday Morning TV 
Geek," they really meant "Kids' TV Geek."

-- 
Jim Ellwanger <trainman1@m...>
<http://trainman1.home.mindspring.com>
"The days turn into nights; at night, you hear the trains."

From: Wesley McGee  <WesMcGee@cox.net>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 8:27pm
Subject: Re: If this is Tuesday, it must be NBC11

And on Friday, you can call us NBC12. And on Monday, we'll let one 
lucky viewer pick the channel number we pretend to air on.

Yep, I noticed this too when I plugged in www.nbc3.com to my web 
browser. (I wonder how how much they spent to purchase that address, 
and for how long. I also wonder how long NBC3.com will point the way 
to San Jose when I'm sure NBC has a channel three somewhere in the 
country who'd love that simple address.)

Reading the surrender notice that they posted at 
http://www.nbc3.com/newslinks/1686708/detail.html I see that neither 
the area viewers, newspapers, or that damned Channel 3 in Sacramento 
wouldn't cooperate with KNTV in altering reality to shape its whim.

I'm surprised that they didn't just call themselves [The New] NBC San 
Francisco/San Jose/whatever you folks collectively call yourselves. 
It seems to work for the smaller market weblets (You're watching UPN 
Nashville, etc.)

Though I wonder if this will provide for any lessons for 2006 when 
every network will be forcefully moved to new channel locations 
(thanks for looking out for us Billy Tauzin)!

Wes McGee

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "markrobt" <markrobt@y...> wrote:
> The San Francisco Bay Area's rimshot NBC O&O, KNTV/11, has given up
> on its attempt to brand itself as "NBC3".
> 
> This week, KNTV is now calling itself "The Bay Area's NBC11". From
> all indications, KNTV is seeking to bury its NBC3 past in the dead 
of
> night with cement shoes. 
> Mark Roberts
> back live in Oakland, California
> markrobt at hotmail.com

From: TelevisonGrl@aol.com
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 4:33pm
Subject: Re: Re: New Season Query ~

In a message dated 9/26/2002 4:31:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
lister1967@y... writes:


> Has anyone head about the new syndicated series Starhunter I 
> read about in the Programming Insider? Anyone seen a ep? Is it 
> worth hunting for?


Don't know what the show is about, but here's their website.

http://www.starhuntertv.com/indexhtml.html

TVG


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From: TelevisonGrl@aol.com
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 4:49pm
Subject: Re: West Wing Demographics

In a message dated 9/26/2002 3:22:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
evanstok@f... writes:


> Assuming the high income numbers are correct


They are:

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/news2001/may01/may14/1_mon/news2monday.html

http://www.emonline.com/advertise/081202nbc.html


I guess one way to look it is in the ratings.  There is a difference between 
the overnights markets and the national ratings, "The West Wing" is much more 
successful in the overnight markets (bigger cities) than the entire country 
(which includes the markets sized 75+).    The top 10 markets have 8 in "blue 
states".    

TVG


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From: John I. Carney  <jicarney@localnet.com>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 9:00pm
Subject: Re: If this is Tuesday, it must be NBC11

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Wesley McGee" <WesMcGee@c...> wrote:

> I'm surprised that they didn't just call themselves [The New] NBC San 
> Francisco/San Jose/whatever you folks collectively call yourselves. 
> It seems to work for the smaller market weblets (You're watching UPN 
> Nashville, etc.)

Actually, WUXP has gone back to "UPN30" after having used "UPN
Nashville" for a while.  I guess they figure the number is catchier
and that people can figure out the cable-channel-number thing for
themselves.

One thing I've seen little mention of in the Nashville media is that
Sinclair Broadcasting, which owns the Fox and UPN affiliates in
Nashville, now seems to have a management agreement for the WB
affiliate as well -- not just a duopoly but a triopoly of sorts.

John I. Carney  |  jicarney@l...  |  http://jicarney.cjb.net

From: PGage@AOL.COM
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 6:34pm
Subject: Re: West Wing Demographics

Evan Stokley wrote...
> Assuming the high income numbers are correct, I'm wondering if The
> West Wing, which is constantly accused of being leftist propaganda,
> has more Republican viewers than Democrats.


> Keith@P... wrote...
> Random Theories:
> 
> 1. The highest income folks are urbanite Democrats ("Limousine Liberals").
> 
> 2. It's Republicans who want to know what they are attacking.
> 
> 3. It's Republicans who like a political "procedural" show regardless of 
> the
> opinions espoused.
> 
> 4. It's Republicans who think of it as a sitcom. (A subtler "That's My
> Clinton")

PGage writes....
I think it is still true that Americans in the highest income brackets are 
significantly more likely to be Republicans than Democrats. While more 
Americans are registered as Democrats than Republicans (by about 8%), more 
Americans think of themselves as conservative or moderate than liberal. It is 
very unlikely that a majority of the affluent viewers of The West Wing are 
liberal democrats.

The problem is the premise - The West Wing is not a liberal propaganda 
vehicle (Mother Jones rarely advocates that the President of the United 
States order the murder of members of foreign governments).






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From: Wesley McGee  <WesMcGee@cox.net>
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 10:38pm
Subject: Re: If this is Tuesday, it must be NBC11

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "John I. Carney" <jicarney@l...> wrote:
> --- In tvbarn2@y..., "Wesley McGee" <WesMcGee@c...> wrote:
> 
> > I'm surprised that they didn't just call themselves [The New] NBC 
San 
> > Francisco/San Jose/whatever you folks collectively call 
yourselves. 
> > It seems to work for the smaller market weblets (You're watching 
UPN 
> > Nashville, etc.)
> 
> Actually, WUXP has gone back to "UPN30" after having used "UPN
> Nashville" for a while.  I guess they figure the number is catchier
> and that people can figure out the cable-channel-number thing for
> themselves.
> 
> One thing I've seen little mention of in the Nashville media is that
> Sinclair Broadcasting, which owns the Fox and UPN affiliates in
> Nashville, now seems to have a management agreement for the WB
> affiliate as well -- not just a duopoly but a triopoly of sorts.
> 
> John I. Carney  |  jicarney@l...  |  http://jicarney.cjb.net

They have WNAB now, too? This must have happened recently, as it is 
not yet reflected on their website -- www.sbgi.net. Of course, 
Sinclair's site still claims that they own WTTV in Indianapolis, 
which I believe has been sold to Tribune.

Anyway, I wonder if this has any connection to Sinclair's purchase of 
WNUV (WB54 Baltimore -- website at www.foxbaltimore.com which is 
shared with WBFF Fox45). Up until last month, they just had a 
marketing agreement on WNUV (which is what it still being reported on 
Sinclair's site), which according to DCRTV.com was owned by 
Cunningham Broadcasting.

Wesley McGee

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 0:49am
Subject: Re: Re: New Season Query ~

At 08:25 PM 9/26/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>Has anyone head about the new syndicated series Starhunter I
>read about in the Programming Insider? Anyone seen a ep? Is it
>worth hunting for?

The problem with Starhunter is that the episodes we're getting here have 
been cut savagely - almost 8 minutes if memory serves - from their original 
Canadian airings.  I think the 2nd season (which is in production now) will 
be shot with US syndication in mind but It's hard to watch these with all 
the cuts.  I thought they just didn't make a lot of sense until a buddy of 
mine loaned me a few of the original episodes.  It's still not *great* but 
it's better than Andromeda or Firefly.


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 0:53am
Subject: RE: Re: Saturday Morning TV Geek

At 04:20 PM 9/26/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>You are correct.  However, it is somewhat obvious that "Beat the Geeks"
>could mean by "Saturday morning television" *all* children's television.
>That's probably the wrong stance to take, but it is their show.

Which invites the "children's programming" vs. "Saturday morning 
programming" debate.  According to a lot of people, there is a difference.

KJB

Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

From: Anthony Foglia  <afoglia@physics.ucsb.edu>
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 1:36am
Subject: ABC's New Graphics

So did ABC switch to their new graphics this week, and if so, is
red now a commonly used color for the closing credits?

--Anthony

	Why, yes, I did watch "Push, Nevada."

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"I thought I was in love once, and then later I thought maybe it was just
an inner ear imbalance."
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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 10:09pm
Subject: Re: ABC's New Graphics

>    So did ABC switch to their new graphics this week, and if so, is
>red now a commonly used color for the closing credits?


No... they started last week, possibly Monday the 16th. 

> >   

Well, that was just the color of the blood oranges... 


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From: David Feldman  <feldman@imponderables.com>
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 3:39am
Subject: One-Two Punch

wryancraig said:

> For my money, I can't remember any other time in my television-
> watching past that I've derived as much pleasure and satisfaction 
> from a weekly block of series television than I have with Tony 
> Soprano and Larry David.
> 
   I might throw Mary Tyler Moore/Newhart into the mix.

   But I tend to agree with your statement that this is the best 1-2 
combo in the history of TV.

   It's surely the first time in my long-in-the-tooth life that  my 
favorite sitcom and favorite drama were lead-ins/outs for each other.

From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 7:33am
Subject: All Scooby all month in Oct.

Boomerang Haunts October with Every SCOOBY-DOO Episode Ever Made

Four Weekend Marathons Showcase Scooby-Doo in Chronological Order 
Across 21 Years of Television
Friday-Monday, Oct. 4-28, 8 a.m. - 8 a.m. (ET)

Scooby-Doo, the world's most beloved canine supersleuth, will 
celebrate his first 21 years (1969-90) of spine-tingling television 
adventures this October as Boomerang, Cartoon Network's 24-hour 
commercial-free classic animation cable/satellite network, scares up 
four extended weekends (Friday - Sunday) of ghost-chasing capers 
spanning 10 different series created by the legendary Hanna-Barbera 
Studios.  Boomerang will devote 368 uninterrupted hours to "Much 
A-Doo About Scooby," showcasing in chronological order, Scooby-Doo 
and his crime-solving co-stars as they venture around the world in 
their psychedelic van, uncovering spooky mysteries and unexplained 
apparitions.
The 12-day tribute, to air every Friday, Saturday and Sunday in 
October (Friday, 8 a.m. - Monday, 8 a.m. ET), will spotlight 
Scooby-Doo in hundreds of adventures across eight different series, 
proving he truly is the "Iron Mutt of Animation."  Following is an 
overview of Scooby-Doo series produced for network television from 
1969 - 1990:

*	Scooby-Doo, Where Are You? (1969)-A club called Mystery, 
Inc., seeks out suspense in deserted mansions, ghost towns, museums 
and burial grounds.  Scooby, the club's mascot, provides the catalyst 
to solve each mystery.
*
*	The New Scooby-Doo Movies (1972)-Our gang of teen-aged 
supersleuths are joined by caricatured guest stars, from Batman and 
Robin to Sonny and Cher, who team up with Mystery, Inc., to solve 
more mysteries.  Additional guests included Tim Conway, Phyllis 
Diller, Sandy Duncan, Mama Cass Elliot, Don Knotts, Davy Jones, The 
Harlem Globetrotters, Laurel and Hardy, Jerry Reed, The Three 
Stooges, Dick Van Dyke and Jonathon Winters.
*
*	The Scooby-Doo Show (1976)-Condensed to a series of 11-minute 
episodes, this series is augmented by appearances from new characters 
such as Scooby-Dum, Scooby-Doo's oafish country cousin, and 
Scooby-Dee, a glamorous movie actress.
*
*	The Scooby and Scrappy-Doo Show (1979)-Joining our cast of 
criminal thwarting characters is Scrappy-Doo, Scooby's pint-sized, 
boisterous nephew, who proves to have much more courage than his 
nervous uncle.  The series prmiered Sept. 11, 1979.
*
*	Scooby, Scrappy and Yabba-Doo (1982)-The members of Mystery, 
Inc., take a turn off the mystery-solving map and find themselves 
uncovering comedic storylines.  Yabba-Doo, another Scooby cousin, 
debuts as a Western wise-cracker.
*
*	The New Scooby-Doo Mysteries (1984)-A return to form as the 
gang gets back on track, chasing phantoms and witches and solving all 
things scary.  "If it weren't for those pesky kids ..."
*
*	The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo (1985)-A chamber of horrors is 
unleashed when Shaggy and Scooby unlock the Chest of Demons, raising 
the specter of the 13 most dangerous ghosts in the world.  Inspired 
by the film Ghostbusters.
*
*	A Pup Named Scooby-Doo (1988)-Viewers return to the days when 
the members of Mystery, Inc., were merely kids and their mascot but a 
pup.  The "rebirth" of the original gang with a hip subtext.

"October, with its month-long Halloween preparation, truly is the 
perfect month to turn our spotlight on the hardest-working dog in 
cartoons," said Mark Norman, senior vice president and general 
manager of Boomerang.  "Kids will be enthralled by hours of 
commercial-free mystery-comedy adventures, while adults can enjoy 
seeing how Scooby and the gang changed and grew over the course of 
their childhood.  As we're often prone to creating puns around the 
network, we've coined the term 'Scoob-iquitous' in describing 
Scooby's October tribute on Boomerang."
	Scooby-Doo, Where Are You? first aired on CBS in 1969, and 
over the course of 33 years has spawned multiple animated TV series 
spin-offs, feature-length television movies, direct-to-video motion 
pictures and even a blockbuster live-action theatrical film.  The 
series follows a meddling gang of kids*Freddy, Daphne, Velma, Shaggy 
and their Great Dane, Scooby-Doo*as they seek out suspense in 
deserted mansions, ghost towns, museums, old carnivals and burial 
grounds.  Scooby always seems to provide the catalyst to solve each 
mystery.  Typically, each episode ends with the thwarted villain 
proclaiming, "And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it 
weren't for those meddling kids and that dog!"
Boomerang is Turner Broadcasting System, Inc.'s (TBS, Inc.) 24-hour 
cable/satellite network offering the best in classic animated 
entertainment.  Drawing from the world's largest cartoon library, 
Boomerang showcases classic Hanna-Barbera characters, including Yogi 
Bear, Huckleberry Hound, Quick Draw McGraw and Top Cat, with a 
stylized sensibility tailored to the their notable standing in 
television's pop culture.  Boomerang's official Web site is located 
at http://Boomerang.CartoonNetwork.com.

From: Anthony Foglia  <afoglia@physics.ucsb.edu>
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 9:20am
Subject: Re: ABC's New Graphics

On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 tomalhe@a... wrote:

> >    So did ABC switch to their new graphics this week, and if so, is
> >red now a commonly used color for the closing credits?
> 
> No... they started last week, possibly Monday the 16th. 
> 
> > >   
> 
> Well, that was just the color of the blood oranges... 

	Yeah, after watching the show I was thinking the clue was red (the
color of blood, plus the missing/reappearing taillight and it's many other
uses in the episode), but that one orange story in the microfilm montage,
and the orange story that appeared last night at pushtimes.com threw me
off.  But the fact they were blood oranges makes me thinks the oranges 
are a red herring.

--Anthony

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"You dare agree with me!  Prepare to meet your horrible doom!"
-- Zim, Invader Zim: Megadoomer

From: StvHerbert@aol.com
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 6:41am
Subject: Aaron B's statement about the Miami Dolphins

Regarding Aaron B.'s statement that the Miami Dolphins are "clearly the most 
dominant team right now in pro football," what about the New England 
Patriots?  Even though the Dolphins will be the home team, couldn't a good 
case be made that the Patriots will be favored when they meet October 6?

Steven Herbert

P. S. I was born in the Miami area and rooted for the Dolphins growing up in 
the 1970s.
    
    



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From: lister1967  <lister1967@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 10:49am
Subject: Re: Saturday Morning TV Geek

--- In tvbarn2@y..., The KJB <osiris@i...> wrote:
> At 04:20 PM 9/26/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> Which invites the "children's programming" vs. "Saturday 
morning 
> programming" debate.  According to a lot of people, there is a 
difference.

Well after last nights episode I am really at a loss. The question 
that the Saturday Morning Geek missed was to name the 
mother-in-law of Fred Flintstone.

Now, I did watch The Flintstones as a kid, but I do not remember 
them on Saturday mornings. Weren't they first on in prime time? 
(a little help here please) And I don't think that the Pebbles and 
Bam Bam Show really expounded on characters beyond their 
standard wacky teen gang. I remember their parents in that 
show, but not the grandparents.

I like the idea of a Saturday Morning Geek far more than the idea 
of a Kids TV Geek. I am afraid the latter may lead to questions 
about Small Wonder (god forbid). But if they stick with the 
Saturday Morning Geek, the producers need more interesting 
questions about Saturday morning TV.

For example:

1) Name every member of Scooby's team on the All-Star 
Laff-A-Lympics.
2) What were the names of Captain Caveman's teen angels?
3) Name three of Tarzan's friends on Tarzan and the Super 7.

These are the type of question I wanted to see answered.

From: scottchupack  <scottchupack@juno.com>
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 0:54pm
Subject: Re: Saturday Morning TV Geek

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "lister1967" <lister1967@y...> wrote:
> --- In tvbarn2@y..., The KJB <osiris@i...> wrote:
> > At 04:20 PM 9/26/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> > Which invites the "children's programming" vs. "Saturday 
> morning 
> > programming" debate.  According to a lot of people, there is a 
> difference.
> 
> Well after last nights episode I am really at a loss. The question 
> that the Saturday Morning Geek missed was to name the 
> mother-in-law of Fred Flintstone.
> 

If I had to guess, their first impression was to call him 
the "Cartoon Geek", but since they already had a Simpsons Geek and a 
South Park Geek, they needed a way to differentiate him.  Do you 
think he really watches Saved By The Bell, City Guys, and NBA Inside 
Stuff?

From: kingoftelevision@cs.com
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 9:04am
Subject: Re: Re: Saturday Morning TV Geek

In a message dated 9/27/02 10:53:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
scottchupack@j... writes: 
> If I had to guess, their first impression was to call him 
> the "Cartoon Geek", but since they already had a Simpsons Geek and a 
> South Park Geek, they needed a way to differentiate him. 
The real reason they didnt call him the cartoon geek was so they could ask 
questions about Ark 2 and Shazam (which, regrettably, never happened).
My opinion, it was a bad idea all around.


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From: Matt  <stupidfantricks@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 4:24pm
Subject: Was Leno in Repeats Week of 9/16?

Hey, does anyone know if Leno was in repeats the week of September 
16th?

Thanks

From: Matt  <stupidfantricks@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 5:33pm
Subject: Re: Saturday Morning TV Geek

I'm telling you, you guys should get a Letterman Geek and geta hold 
of the Donz, he knows everything about everything about Letterman.

Matt  |  http://www.stupidfantricks.com
STUPID FAN TRICKS - A DAVID LETTERMAN FANSITE

From: lister1967  <lister1967@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 5:41pm
Subject: Re: Saturday Morning TV Geek

--- In tvbarn2@y..., kingoftelevision@c... wrote:
> The real reason they didnt call him the cartoon geek was so 
they could ask 
> questions about Ark 2 and Shazam (which, regrettably, never 
happened).
> My opinion, it was a bad idea all around.


I loved the idea of that particular geek. But the execution on the 
part of the question makers is what I consider a bad idea.


--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Matt" <stupidfantricks@y...> wrote:
> I'm telling you, you guys should get a Letterman Geek and geta 
hold 
> of the Donz, he knows everything about everything about 
Letterman.


See now, this is a Geek that I could care less about. In high 
school, Dave was required viewing every night, but that was back 
on NBC. Once it moved to CBS, it became just another talk show 
to me. If the questions are about the Guy Under the Stairs, Gus 
(think Library Lady) or the Banana Dance... I am so there! But I 
bet they would focus on the last 10 years.

(Now that the show is on CBS, I have no idea where to go to get 
all my hypnotic accessories.)

From: SeanJordan@aol.com
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 2:01pm
Subject: Spindication...

I dont know why I wonder about this -- But have been curious for quite some 
time why none of the SPIN CITY episodes currently shown in syndication are 
the last season(s) that feature Charlie Sheen? Was it sold as a Michael J. 
Fox show and they are not able to show them, or are they just rolling them 
out slowly?

~


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From: markrobt  <markrobt@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 7:38pm
Subject: Re: If this is Tuesday, it must be NBC11

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Wesley McGee" <WesMcGee@c...> wrote:
> Yep, I noticed this too when I plugged in www.nbc3.com to my web 
> browser.

At least Charlie McCollum in the Mercury News finally noticed, with this priceless quote from the station's new GM, Linda Sullivan, "Frankly, I'm not sure why we ever did it".

Frankly, I'm not sure why NBC ever bought a station that can't cover half the market with its signal, either.

Mark Roberts
where NBC is must-get-cable-TV in Oakland, California

From: bob.in.jersey@juno.com
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 4:55pm
Subject: SVU repurposed on USA?

It looks as though L&O Special Victims Unit episodes take more than
a week before their repurposings air on USA.  How much of a
turnaround can we expect?


-- 
BOB

From: aaronbarnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 9:27pm
Subject: Re: Aaron B's statement about the Miami Dolphins

I'd have been more sympathetic to this argument had I not seen 
the Patriots' defense collapse like a wet noodle against the 
mediocre talents of our Kansas City Chiefs last weekend.  How 
we came within one bold coaching decision of actually winning 
that game -- I refer, of course, to the 2-point conversion that I and 
countless other fans were yelling at our TVs for the Chiefs to 
take, with the score 38-37 and no time left -- should give Pats' 
fans pause.

--- In tvbarn2@y..., StvHerbert@a... wrote:
> Regarding Aaron B.'s statement that the Miami Dolphins are 
"clearly the most 
> dominant team right now in pro football," what about the New 
England 
> Patriots?  Even though the Dolphins will be the home team, 
couldn't a good 
> case be made that the Patriots will be favored when they meet 
October 6?
> 
> Steven Herbert
> 
> P. S. I was born in the Miami area and rooted for the Dolphins 
growing up in 
> the 1970s.
>     
>     
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: aaronbarnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 9:28pm
Subject: Re: SVU repurposed on USA?

It's not just SVU -- NBC's rule of thumb (American Dreams on 
VH1 is another example) is to wait one week from broadcast.

--- In tvbarn2@y..., bob.in.jersey@j... wrote:
> 
> It looks as though L&O Special Victims Unit episodes take 
more than
> a week before their repurposings air on USA.  How much of a
> turnaround can we expect?
> 
> 
> -- 
> BOB

From: TelevisonGrl@aol.com
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 6:26pm
Subject: Re: ABC's New Graphics

In a message dated 9/27/2002 2:38:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
afoglia@p... writes:


>     Why, yes, I did watch "Push, Nevada."


You're the one:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=597&ncid=805&e=12&
u=/nm/20020927/tv_nm/leisure_ratings_dc

TVG


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From: TelevisonGrl@aol.com
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 6:28pm
Subject: Re: Was Leno in Repeats Week of 9/16?

In a message dated 9/27/2002 5:25:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
stupidfantricks@y... writes:


> Hey, does anyone know if Leno was in repeats the week of September 
> 16th?

No.

TVG


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From: TelevisonGrl@aol.com
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 6:30pm
Subject: Re: Was Leno in Repeats Week of 9/16?

In a message dated 9/27/2002 11:29:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
TelevisonGrl@a... writes:


> In a message dated 9/27/2002 5:25:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> stupidfantricks@y... writes:
> 
> 
> > Hey, does anyone know if Leno was in repeats the week of September 
> > 16th?
> 
> No.

I hit send too soon.

They were not rerunning the week of the 16th.  

TVG


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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 6:30pm
Subject: Re: ABC's New Graphics

>>     Why, yes, I did watch "Push, Nevada."

>

From the Associated Press and MediaWeek: 

The ratings news is not good for "Push Nevada."  

      The episode one preview drew close to 9.8 million viewers... 
      The first thursday episode drew close to 6.8 million viewers
      Last night's show, opposite a new CSI and Will & Grace ... 3.7 million 
viewers. and that's only 5% of the tv audience. 

      While Ben and Sean are promising to give away the cash even if the show 
is cancelled... PUSH may be looking more like a FOLD or a BUST.


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From: KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Fri Sep 27, 2002 10:40pm
Subject: Re: Re: Saturday Morning TV Geek

At 03:49 PM 9/27/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>Now, I did watch The Flintstones as a kid, but I do not remember
>them on Saturday mornings. Weren't they first on in prime time?

It was the first prime time animated series, if memory serves correctly.  I 
remember FOX making a big deal when the Simpsons beat their episode 
count.  I agree, asking the "Saturday Morning TV Geek" questions about the 
Flintstones would be like asking questions about the Simpsons.  Hell, you 
might as well ask him "Love Boat" questions - at least it ran on Saturdays.


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

From: Laurel Krahn  <laurel@windowseat.org>
Date: Sat Sep 28, 2002 0:04am
Subject: Re: SVU repurposed on USA?

On 9/27/2002 at 9:55 PM bob.in.jersey@j... wrote:

>It looks as though L&O Special Victims Unit episodes take more than
>a week before their repurposings air on USA.  How much of a
>turnaround can we expect?

The SVU season premiere, which aired tonight on NBC, airs Sunday
October 6th on USA (11pm eastern, 10pm central).

The Robbery Homicide Division series premiere, which aired tonight on
CBS, airs  Saturday October 5 at 11pm eastern, 10pm central on USA.

The Law & Order Criminal Intent season premiere, which airs Sunday
night on NBC will air again on Friday, October 11th at 11pm eastern,
10pm central on USA.

This fits the "usual" pattern.  Or at least the way it was for SVU
and CI last year.

I try to cover this stuff consistently at www.tvpicks.net (when I
mention a show's first airing, I try to also list any upcoming
airings on another channel.  Like the ABC shows that air again on ABC
Family.  Or Monk on USA then ABC.  Or WB's shows that air once during
the week and again on Sunday afternoon/early evening.  Fastlane on
FOX, then later on MTV.  Etc).

--
Laurel Krahn | www.tvpicks.net

From: Matt  <stupidfantricks@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Sep 28, 2002 6:44pm
Subject: Re: Saturday Morning TV Geek

Lister, you need to check the show out, Dave is as angry and funny as 
ever, the past few months he has simply been on fire, and the nightly 
rants about Oprah and Dr. Phil are HILARIOUS plus there are a ton of 
new segments that waste a lot of time and are just great! Check the 
show out Monday and let us know what you think!

Matt   |   http://www.stupidfantricks.com
STUPID FAN TRICKS - A DAVID LETTERMAN FANSITE

From: Matt  <stupidfantricks@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Sep 28, 2002 6:46pm
Subject: Re: Was Leno in Repeats Week of 9/16?

hehe thanks

Matt   |   http://www.stupidfantricks.com
STUPID FAN TRICKS - A DAVID LETTERMAN FANSITE

From: Matt  <stupidfantricks@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Sep 28, 2002 6:52pm
Subject: Re: Spindication...

I haven't watched Spin City in syndication for probably 2 months 
(there are now other shows on that I would rather watch) but when I 
did watch it regularly I saw several Charlie Sheen episodes. It is a 
great show, is it on more than once a day where you live though? 
Usually if that is the case there will be older episodes at oen time 
of the day and newer episodes at another time in the day.

Matt   |   http://www.stupidfantricks.com
STUPID FAN TRICKS - A DAVID LETTERMAN FANSITE

From: Matt  <stupidfantricks@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Sep 28, 2002 6:56pm
Subject: Tonight Show w/Dennis Miller & Jay Leno

God damn, Dennis Miller is going to be on Leno AGAIN next Monday, 
this is the third time in like 2 months, since when is he a Tonight 
Show regular and why does he degrade himself by going on there?

Matt   |   http://www.stupidfantricks.com
STUPID FAN TRICKS - A DAVID LETTERMAN FANSITE

From: Jon Delfin  <jondelfin@nyc.rr.com>
Date: Sat Sep 28, 2002 7:41pm
Subject: week two, nit two

"John Doe" strikes again. At the top of last night's show, he gives the
police detective some help with a daily newspaper crossword puzzle. "Two
across, MESOPOTAMIA, thirteen down, GROVER WASHINGTON." The only problem
is, American crosswords can't have a two across. (I won't bore you with
the why; country music fans might know a Barbara Mandrell song that
makes the same mistake.) And GROVER WASHINGTON is 16 letters long, and
wouldn't fit in a daily-sized grid of 15x15.

Wow, the show is two weeks old and already they've shown incompetence in
both of my Schedule C's. I can hardly wait until next week!

Jon, one of a very small group of pianist/puzzlers

From: Mark Evanier  <mail@evanier.com>
Date: Sat Sep 28, 2002 8:15pm
Subject: Re: Tonight Show w/Dennis Miller & Jay Leno

On Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:56:31 -0000, "Matt" <stupidfantricks@y...>
wrote:

>God damn, Dennis Miller is going to be on Leno AGAIN next Monday, 
>this is the third time in like 2 months, since when is he a Tonight 
>Show regular and why does he degrade himself by going on there?

ME: Perhaps he likes the show and doesn't think it's in any way
degrading.
------------------------------
www.POVonline.com - a website about comic books, cartoons, TV,
movies, Groo the Wanderer, Broadway, Las Vegas, Hollywood,
Stan Freberg, Laurel & Hardy, Jack Kirby and possums in my backyard.

From: Wesley McGee  <WesMcGee@cox.net>
Date: Sat Sep 28, 2002 9:01pm
Subject: Re: Tonight Show w/Dennis Miller & Jay Leno

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Matt" <stupidfantricks@y...> wrote:
> God damn, Dennis Miller is going to be on Leno AGAIN next Monday, 
> this is the third time in like 2 months, since when is he a Tonight 
> Show regular and why does he degrade himself by going on there?

...maybe they are friends...

From: jbelkin800  <jbelkin800@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Sep 29, 2002 0:31am
Subject: Re: Spindication...

each syndicated deal is slightly different (number of episodes in can,
if it's still airing, how hot it is, etc ...) but most likely, they
just sold them the first 5 years for now, and they'll get to mix in
the later years in a year or so in the case of Spin City (since it's
off the air). No conspiracy ... though it's not doing that great in
syndication so ...


--- In tvbarn2@y..., SeanJordan@a... wrote:
> 
> I dont know why I wonder about this -- But have been curious for
quite some 
> time why none of the SPIN CITY episodes currently shown in
syndication are 
> the last season(s) that feature Charlie Sheen? Was it sold as a
Michael J. 
> Fox show and they are not able to show them, or are they just
rolling them 
> out slowly?
> 
> ~
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: Sue Trowbridge  <trow@interbridge.com>
Date: Sun Sep 29, 2002 3:07pm
Subject: Tavis Smiley show

The Chief writes, on tvbarn.com:

National Public Radio is discontinuing distribution of Public Interest
with host Kojo Nnamdi. Which means starting Tuesday, KCUR-FM and other NPR
affiliates around the country are going to have to find something else. I
wonder if this is a decision meant to spur distribution of the more
high-profile NPR program, The Tavis Smiley Show. 

--- 
Tavis Smiley is going to start running in San Francisco tomorrow, on KALW
at 11 AM (replacing a BBC news show). His first guest? Oprah. I don't
believe Public Interest has ever aired in this market. However, NPR's
discontinuing that show and airing Tavis Smiley instead puts me in mind of
the comics pages that dropped, say, Jump Start or Curtis after they
started carrying Boondocks. It's like there's one "black slot" or
something.

--Sue T.

From: uncamark2000  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Sun Sep 29, 2002 3:15pm
Subject: Re: Saturday Morning TV Geek

--- In tvbarn2@y..., KJB <osiris@i...> wrote:
> At 03:49 PM 9/27/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> >Now, I did watch The Flintstones as a kid, but I do not remember
> >them on Saturday mornings. Weren't they first on in prime time?
> 
> It was the first prime time animated series, if memory serves 
correctly.  I 
> remember FOX making a big deal when the Simpsons beat their episode 
> count.  I agree, asking the "Saturday Morning TV Geek" questions 
about the 
> Flintstones would be like asking questions about the Simpsons.  
Hell, you 
> might as well ask him "Love Boat" questions - at least it ran on 
Saturdays.

However, it did air in repeats on Saturday mornings in the late 60s 
before "Pebbles and Bamm-Bamm/The Flintstone Comedy Hour" in 1972-74 
and "Fred and Barney Meet..." in 1980-82, which were both Saturday 
morning shows.  Considering that back when "Boomerang" was a weekly 
block on Cartoon Network and not a separate channel (a different 60s 
or 70s year in Saturday morning every week), they ran the prime time 
series in that block under the excuse of it being in reruns on 
Saturday morning that year, the defense of "it was on then" could be 
used.

However, it should also be pointed out that some weeks "Boomerang" 
did WB theatricals under the pretense that "The Bugs Bunny Show" was 
seen on Saturday mornings that year.  Of course, Turner hadn't merged 
with Time Warner yet, so what they showed were the pre-1948 color 
shorts that were never shown on any of the network Warners cartoon 
showcases.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: Pollak, Melissa  <mpollak@nsf.gov>
Date: Sun Sep 29, 2002 4:17pm
Subject: RE: Re: Spindication...

As another example -- the last two seasons of Designing Women didn't make it
into syndication for years -- and even now, I'm not sure if Lifetime and
other networks are running those two years.

Melissa

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	jbelkin800 [SMTP:jbelkin800@y...]
> Sent:	Sunday, September 29, 2002 1:32 AM
> To:	tvbarn2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	[tvbarn2] Re: Spindication...
> 
> each syndicated deal is slightly different (number of episodes in can,
> if it's still airing, how hot it is, etc ...) but most likely, they
> just sold them the first 5 years for now, and they'll get to mix in
> the later years in a year or so in the case of Spin City (since it's
> off the air). No conspiracy ... though it's not doing that great in
> syndication so ...
> 
> 
> --- In tvbarn2@y..., SeanJordan@a... wrote:
> > 
> > I dont know why I wonder about this -- But have been curious for
> quite some 
> > time why none of the SPIN CITY episodes currently shown in
> syndication are 
> > the last season(s) that feature Charlie Sheen? Was it sold as a
> Michael J. 
> > Fox show and they are not able to show them, or are they just
> rolling them 
> > out slowly?
> > 
> > ~
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
> TVBarn2: We're talking TV.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tvbarn2/messages
> Goodbye: tvbarn2-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
>

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Sep 29, 2002 2:23pm
Subject: Re: Re: Spindication...

>As another example -- the last two seasons of Designing Women didn't make it
>into syndication for years -- and even now, I'm not sure if Lifetime and
>

Meanwhile, it seems The Simpsons in syndi always seem to be the same three 
years ad infinitum. Perhaps it just seems that way when you've likely seen em 
all in the first place...


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From: Jon Delfin  <jondelfin@nyc.rr.com>
Date: Sun Sep 29, 2002 7:36pm
Subject: great moments in closed captioning

It took me only seven years, but I finally figured out how to turn on
the closed captioning on my television set. Now, as I watch
dialogue-heavy shows (featuring diction-challenged actors), I find much
satisfaction.

I've managed to grow accustomed to the glitches, the missed and
misspelled words. And there's a certain joy to be had in observing when
programs were altered after the captioning was created, so, for
instance, you hear someone say "The Dow dropped 645 points" while you
read "The Dow dropped 685 points." Last week, I think it was on "West
Wing" or "CSI," as the show ended, the captioning indicated the lyrics
to the music that *wasn't* playing in the background.

But tonight, a new wrinkle. I caught the end of the IFC Gotham Film
Awards on Bravo. They were giving a Lifetime Achievement award to Ang
Lee, and in the process, showed clips from his movies. "Crouching
Tiger," in Chinese, had subtitles, and on top of those, captioning
(which duplicated the subtitles). "Sense and Sensibility," in English,
no captioning. Yeesh.

jd

From: James Dinan  <jdinan8271@aol.com>
Date: Sun Sep 29, 2002 7:42pm
Subject: Re: Tavis Smiley show

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Sue Trowbridge <trow@i...> wrote:
> The Chief writes, on tvbarn.com:
> 
> National Public Radio is discontinuing distribution of Public 
Interest
> with host Kojo Nnamdi. Which means starting Tuesday, KCUR-FM and 
other NPR
> affiliates around the country are going to have to find something 
else. I
> wonder if this is a decision meant to spur distribution of the more
> high-profile NPR program, The Tavis Smiley Show. 
> 

    Chris Baker of the Washington Times - who, IMO, has done a solid 
job covering the D.C. TV and radio dials in recent months - had a 
story on NPR's cancellation of Public Interest on 9/11.  An NPR 
spokesman said Public Interest had "limited growth potential" - gotta 
love PR-speak.  BTW, Baker reports that Kojo's show will continue to 
air locally on D.C.'s WAMU-FM and focus more on local issues.

   James Dinan

From: Matt  <stupidfantricks@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Sep 29, 2002 7:48pm
Subject: Re: Tonight Show w/Dennis Miller & Jay Leno

> ME: Perhaps he likes the show and doesn't think it's in any way
> degrading.

Oh Mark c'mon, I feel dirty just allowing NBC to be on my channel 
line-up at 10:35.

Wesley (sp) is probably right, they are probably friends, Jay is a 
nice guy.

Matt   |   http://www.stupidfantricks.com
STUPID FAN TRICKS - A DAVID LETTERMAN FANSITE

From: Matt  <stupidfantricks@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Sep 29, 2002 8:53pm
Subject: Re: great moments in closed captioning

Why the hell isn't E! ever in closed captioning, I think the drop in 
Anna Nicole viewership is because people can't understand what the 
hell she is saying and there is no CC, at least Ozzy has it..

Matt   |   http://www.stupidfantricks.com
STUPID FAN TRICKS - A DAVID LETTERMAN FANSITE

From: jbelkin800  <jbelkin800@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Sep 29, 2002 9:02pm
Subject: Fox really loves the Grubbs

Was just cruising through Fox's website ... Grubbs is not even given a
webpage ... that's how much Fox loves it - have only heard terrible
things about it so that may be the first canceled show but why even
bother scheduling it? 

Maybe I'm the last to know but that David Kelley show is now called
Girl's Club.

From: Roy  <rcurrlin@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Sep 29, 2002 11:48pm
Subject: Re: Tonight Show w/Dennis Miller & Jay Leno

Dennis sure had a change of heart. Leno was his sworn enemy. Miller 
blamed him personally for the cancellation of his syndicated late 
night show (due to the Tonight Show's exclusive guest-booking 
practices at the time). Even said he would never forgive him.

Arsenio's feud with Leno got much more press, of course these sworn 
enemies are also very TV-chummy these days.

--roy



--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Matt" <stupidfantricks@y...> wrote:
> > ME: Perhaps he likes the show and doesn't think it's in any way
> > degrading.
> 
> Oh Mark c'mon, I feel dirty just allowing NBC to be on my channel 
> line-up at 10:35.
> 
> Wesley (sp) is probably right, they are probably friends, Jay is a 
> nice guy.
> 
> Matt   |   http://www.stupidfantricks.com
> STUPID FAN TRICKS - A DAVID LETTERMAN FANSITE

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Sep 29, 2002 7:55pm
Subject: Re: Re: Tonight Show w/Dennis Miller & Jay Leno

>Dennis sure had a change of heart. Leno was his sworn enemy. Miller 
>blamed him personally for the cancellation of his syndicated late 
>night show (due to the Tonight Show's exclusive guest-booking 
>practices at the time). Even said he would never forgive him.

Good thing this isn't one of those Frequently Asked Questions About Dennis 
Miller, or anything. Oh wait... 

David Rensin, contributing editor to Playboy magazine, said to Miller during 
an interview something to the effect of "So just because (Leno) screwed up 
once you're never going to talk to him again?" Suddenly, Dennis had a moment 
of "catharsis" where he claims, "the half life on my anger had worn off," and 
thus decided to call Leno and make up. 

Coincidentally, Leno appeared two short nights later on the May 5, 1995, 
installment of Dennis Miller Live. To return the favor, Miller, for the first 
time since 1988, appeared on the Tonight Show May 10, 1995.


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From: PGage@AOL.COM
Date: Sun Sep 29, 2002 8:43pm
Subject: What makes Dave so Emmy-worthy?

PGage writes...
Has there been much discussion in the media as to why Emmy is so in love with 
Dave? I mean, aside from isues of "artistic merit". I like Dave and don't, 
Leno, but I assume that to be mostly a matter of personal taste (I liked 
Doctor Doctot too but I don't remember it winning 5 Emmies). Leno is so much 
more popular than Dave in the ratings, and aside from the personality and 
style of the hosts the shows are not *that* different - it almost seems like 
a direct and personal slap at Leno. I mean, are we to believe that the Top 10 
List deserves an Emmy, but Dumb Ads do not? Is Dave's interview of Tom Hanks 
that much more incisive and entertaining than Leno's two days later (or 
earlier)? Are Dave's Clinton fellatio jokes that much better than Leno's 
Clinton fellatio jokes? It seems like what the Emmy voters are saying is that 
they just like Dave better than Leno, and while I can understand that (I do 
too) I wonder if there isnt something else going on - yet everyone says what 
a nice guy Leno is, shouldnt people in the tv industry given him a freakin 
break at least once in a while? Do Holywood insiders think Dave is more hip 
than Leno? Do Leno's ratings make his appeal seem more low brow than Dave? 
Or, is it not a matter of personal taste - is Dave's show just really that 
much better?



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From: Sue Trowbridge  <trow@interbridge.com>
Date: Mon Sep 30, 2002 1:05am
Subject: Re: Re: Tonight Show w/Dennis Miller & Jay Leno

The point is moot, because Miller is no longer listed as a scheduled guest
on Leno's show. Check out the recently refreshed lineups at
http://www.interbridge.com/lineups.html

However, check out this new entry for The Tonight Show listings:

We 10/9: Jamie Lee Curtis, Puppetry of the Penis, Beck

Now, I believe that the whole point behind PotP is that these are men who
can twist their penises into interesting shapes. I saw a few minutes of
their act on HBO's "Real Sex," and I have to ask -- what the heck is Leno
going to be able to show??? Even at 11:30 at night, I can't imagine he'll
be showing real live penises.

BTW, I noticed in today's Chronicle Datebook that PotP is coming to San
Francisco. Ooh boy.

--Sue T.

From: Mark Evanier  <mail@evanier.com>
Date: Mon Sep 30, 2002 2:18am
Subject: Re: Re: Tonight Show w/Dennis Miller & Jay Leno

On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 04:48:39 -0000, "Roy" <rcurrlin@y...> wrote:

>Dennis sure had a change of heart. Leno was his sworn enemy. Miller 
>blamed him personally for the cancellation of his syndicated late 
>night show (due to the Tonight Show's exclusive guest-booking 
>practices at the time). Even said he would never forgive him.

ME: Not really.  Miller was mad at Leno for some of the TONIGHT SHOW'S
booking practices...but Dennis always said that there was plenty of
blame to go around for that show's cancellation.  Actually, Miller's
show was in deep trouble before Leno ever started hosting TONIGHT.

In any case, they long since patched things up, which I find rather
refreshing.

>Arsenio's feud with Leno got much more press, of course these sworn 
>enemies are also very TV-chummy these days.

ME: That was never much of a feud and, again, it's history.
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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Sep 29, 2002 10:19pm
Subject: Re: What makes Dave so Emmy-worthy?

>is it not a matter of personal taste - is Dave's show just really that 
much better?

Why ask why? Try Bud Dry!




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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Sep 29, 2002 10:19pm
Subject: Re: Re: Tonight Show w/Dennis Miller & Jay Leno

>> The point is moot, because Miller is no longer listed as a scheduled guest
> >

Hey, it's not moot until Jesse Jackson says the point it moot. 

Didn't talk shows used to actually like having guests return on a regular 
basis? If Leno enjoys having Miller do his schitck more than twice a year, it 
might mean fewer slots open for Carrot Top or Tom Green.

What exactly is so wrong about building up a rogues gallery? I mean Johnny 
had no policy about making guests wait 6 months for another appearance, 
right? 

<insert Mark Evanier reply here.>


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From: Mark Evanier  <mail@evanier.com>
Date: Mon Sep 30, 2002 2:27am
Subject: Re: What makes Dave so Emmy-worthy?

On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:43:59 EDT, PGage@A... wrote:

>Has there been much discussion in the media as to why Emmy is so in love with 
>Dave? I mean, aside from isues of "artistic merit". I like Dave and don't, 
>Leno, but I assume that to be mostly a matter of personal taste (I liked 
>Doctor Doctot too but I don't remember it winning 5 Emmies). Leno is so much 
>more popular than Dave in the ratings, and aside from the personality and 
>style of the hosts the shows are not *that* different - it almost seems like 
>a direct and personal slap at Leno. I mean, are we to believe that the Top 10 
>List deserves an Emmy, but Dumb Ads do not? Is Dave's interview of Tom Hanks 
>that much more incisive and entertaining than Leno's two days later (or 
>earlier)? Are Dave's Clinton fellatio jokes that much better than Leno's 
>Clinton fellatio jokes? It seems like what the Emmy voters are saying is that 
>they just like Dave better than Leno, and while I can understand that (I do 
>too) I wonder if there isnt something else going on - yet everyone says what 
>a nice guy Leno is, shouldnt people in the tv industry given him a freakin 
>break at least once in a while? Do Holywood insiders think Dave is more hip 
>than Leno? Do Leno's ratings make his appeal seem more low brow than Dave? 
>Or, is it not a matter of personal taste - is Dave's show just really that 
>much better?

ME: I think you're attaching way too much significance to the Emmy
Awards.  First off, everyone has their own reasons for voting as they
do.  I'm a voter and my picks are not necessarily done with the same
criteria as the guy next door to me, who's also an Emmy voter.  

(And Emmy voters as a whole only comprise a very small percentage of
the TV industry.  They don't necessarily speak for the entire
industry.)

The particular group of folks who presently vote in that category seem
to like what they've seen of Dave and not what they've seen of Leno or
O'Brien or Stewart, etc..  But some of them could be voting as they do
because they like Dave's ties and some could be rooting for the
ratings underdog and some could just think Paul is sexy.  You never
know.  We don't even know if in any category, the winner won by a wide
margin or by a hair.

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From: Mark Evanier  <mail@evanier.com>
Date: Mon Sep 30, 2002 2:30am
Subject: Re: Re: Tonight Show w/Dennis Miller & Jay Leno

On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:48:47 -0000, "Matt" <stupidfantricks@y...>
wrote:

>Oh Mark c'mon, I feel dirty just allowing NBC to be on my channel 
>line-up at 10:35.

ME: I see.  And you're presuming Dennis Miller shares your opinion.


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From: Mark Evanier  <mail@evanier.com>
Date: Mon Sep 30, 2002 2:46am
Subject: Re: Re: Tonight Show w/Dennis Miller & Jay Leno

On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 03:19:51 EDT, tomalhe@a... wrote:

>What exactly is so wrong about building up a rogues gallery? I mean Johnny 
>had no policy about making guests wait 6 months for another appearance, 
>right? 
>
><insert Mark Evanier reply here.>

ME: Here it is...

No.
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From: mrskibone  <mrskibone@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Sep 30, 2002 9:37am
Subject: Re: Tonight Show w/Dennis Miller & Jay Leno

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Mark Evanier <mail@e...> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:48:47 -0000, "Matt" <stupidfantricks@y...>
> wrote:
> 
> >Oh Mark c'mon, I feel dirty just allowing NBC to be on my channel 
> >line-up at 10:35.
> 
> ME: I see.  And you're presuming Dennis Miller shares your opinion.
> 
> 
Just because someone is funny doesn't mean they have good taste in humor.

I think Dennis Miller (along with George Carlin and Chris Rock) is one
of the funniest guys on the planet.  But who does Dennis say is his
absolute favorite comedian?  Dana Carvey.  Dana Carvey?!?!?!  My god,
I'd rather watch Jay Leno giggle for 10 hours straight than watch Dana
Carvey for 60 seconds.  Ooooo, whats he going to do this time?  His
10+ year old impression of George Bush Sr or his 10+ year old Church
Lady.  Oh, my sides are splitting.
Poor Dana.  His career ended 10 years ago and no one bothered to tell
him.  Put him on a slow bus to nowhere.  And tell him to take Chevy
Chase with him.

From: Pollak, Melissa  <mpollak@nsf.gov>
Date: Mon Sep 30, 2002 9:40am
Subject: RE: What makes Dave so Emmy-worthy?

I have zero credentials when it comes to speculating why Dave wins and Jay
doesn't, but that doesn't keep me from speculating:

Could it be that there is still lingering resentment over the fact that The
Tonight Show top spot went to Jay and not to Dave, the rightful heir?

Melissa

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Mark Evanier [SMTP:mail@e...]
> Sent:	Monday, September 30, 2002 3:28 AM
> To:	tvbarn2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	Re: [tvbarn2] What makes Dave so Emmy-worthy?
> 
> On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:43:59 EDT, PGage@A... wrote:
> 
> >Has there been much discussion in the media as to why Emmy is so in love
> with 
> >Dave? I mean, aside from isues of "artistic merit". I like Dave and
> don't, 
> >Leno, but I assume that to be mostly a matter of personal taste (I liked 
> >Doctor Doctot too but I don't remember it winning 5 Emmies). Leno is so
> much 
> >more popular than Dave in the ratings, and aside from the personality and
> 
> >style of the hosts the shows are not *that* different - it almost seems
> like 
> >a direct and personal slap at Leno. I mean, are we to believe that the
> Top 10 
> >List deserves an Emmy, but Dumb Ads do not? Is Dave's interview of Tom
> Hanks 
> >that much more incisive and entertaining than Leno's two days later (or 
> >earlier)? Are Dave's Clinton fellatio jokes that much better than Leno's 
> >Clinton fellatio jokes? It seems like what the Emmy voters are saying is
> that 
> >they just like Dave better than Leno, and while I can understand that (I
> do 
> >too) I wonder if there isnt something else going on - yet everyone says
> what 
> >a nice guy Leno is, shouldnt people in the tv industry given him a
> freakin 
> >break at least once in a while? Do Holywood insiders think Dave is more
> hip 
> >than Leno? Do Leno's ratings make his appeal seem more low brow than
> Dave? 
> >Or, is it not a matter of personal taste - is Dave's show just really
> that 
> >much better?
> 
> ME: I think you're attaching way too much significance to the Emmy
> Awards.  First off, everyone has their own reasons for voting as they
> do.  I'm a voter and my picks are not necessarily done with the same
> criteria as the guy next door to me, who's also an Emmy voter.  
> 
> (And Emmy voters as a whole only comprise a very small percentage of
> the TV industry.  They don't necessarily speak for the entire
> industry.)
> 
> The particular group of folks who presently vote in that category seem
> to like what they've seen of Dave and not what they've seen of Leno or
> O'Brien or Stewart, etc..  But some of them could be voting as they do
> because they like Dave's ties and some could be rooting for the
> ratings underdog and some could just think Paul is sexy.  You never
> know.  We don't even know if in any category, the winner won by a wide
> margin or by a hair.
> 
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From: bob.in.jersey@juno.com
Date: Mon Sep 30, 2002 6:46am
Subject: Re: Tonight Show w/Dennis Miller & Jay Leno

Sue,

> We 10/9: Jamie Lee Curtis, Puppetry of the Penis, Beck
> 
> Now, I believe that the whole point behind PotP is that these are
> men who can twist their penises into interesting shapes. I saw a
> few minutes of their act on HBO's "Real Sex," and I have to ask --
> what the heck is Leno going to be able to show??? Even at 11:30 at
> night, I can't imagine he'll be showing real live penises.

Even when they visited Stern in October '01, their performances got
'airbrushed' by E!.  But, given that you can use 'indecent' speech
after 10 PM, I'm sure they'll be allowed to explain their genital
origami in noticeable detail!  (and in Aussie accents :-D)


-- 
BOB

From: Jason Snell  <jsnell@intertext.com>
Date: Mon Sep 30, 2002 0:20pm
Subject: ernie harwell

Nice blog write-up on Ernie Harwell.

But I wonder if the reference to the "Shot Heard 'Round the World" 
might confuse people a little -- after all, although Harwell called 
it on TV, the call most people associate with that event is Russ 
Hodges' for the Giants.

-jason
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From: Mark Evanier  <mail@evanier.com>
Date: Mon Sep 30, 2002 1:04pm
Subject: Re: What makes Dave so Emmy-worthy?

On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:40:56 -0400, "Pollak, Melissa"
<mpollak@n...> wrote:

>Could it be that there is still lingering resentment over the fact that The
>Tonight Show top spot went to Jay and not to Dave, the rightful heir?

ME: I really doubt any significant number of folks in the TV industry
ever felt that way.  Some may have felt Letterman should have gotten
the post because they thought he'd do a better job...but this
"rightful heir" thing is tabloid-style sensibility.  And if there was
any perceived injustice there, it is long since forgotten.  I mean,
it's not like Letterman has been unemployed and prevented from hosting
a one-hour talk show at 11:35 for the last decade because he didn't
get to do so on NBC.

One might also remember that Leno's TONIGHT SHOW won the Emmy one year
in there.  You could speculate that they voted that way because they
felt Jay had been wronged by some of the press or by Mike Ovitz's
campaign to get him fired.  That's just unprovable speculation, too.

Emmy voters are a small group and asking why they tend to vote a
certain way is like asking why a certain city usually votes
predominantly Democrat or Republican.  It's because that's how those
particular people generally view the world.  

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From: Pollak, Melissa  <mpollak@nsf.gov>
Date: Mon Sep 30, 2002 1:35pm
Subject: RE: What makes Dave so Emmy-worthy?

> Mark Evanier wrote:
> 
>  Some may have felt Letterman should have gotten
> the post because they thought he'd do a better job...but this
> "rightful heir" thing is tabloid-style sensibility.
> 
	Not sure I'd agree with that.  Carson left such a legacy of
excellence in late night programming that anyone would think that the baton
should have been passed on to best person.  That didn't happen.

	Melissa

From: SeanJordan@aol.com
Date: Mon Sep 30, 2002 10:19am
Subject: TEEN TITANS on Cartoon Network

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 "Glen and his team will bring Teen Titans to life with all of the excitement 
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"With the animated series being brought to life by Glen Murakami's great 
team, we look forward to new worlds of creative magic."




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