From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 10:40am
Subject: RE: NAB is the monopoly!

> I find it very amusing that the NAB is being highly critical of the 
> possible Echostar-DirecTv merger citing that it would create "the 
> world's largest monopoly video-delivery system". While it would 
> create the largest national video-delivery system, it would not be 
> the largest monopoly-- that honor belongs to the NAB.
> 
> The NAB enforces the concept of programming exclusivity. That's 
> right, the free-market business model ceases to exist with the NAB 
> continually lobbying in Washington. Through the NAB's actions, they 
> continually protect network affiliates right to not have competition 
> based on your geographical location-- *that* is a monopoly!

And let it be said that it was the NAB that pushed for the reinstatement of
the Syndication Exclusivity Act to punish the superstation then known as WOR
in New York for buying the rerun package of "The Cosby Show" and Viacom for
selling it to them.  What became WWOR and WGN had huge patches of their
programming replaced with infomercials and hoary reruns (which, admittedly,
some classic TV fans preferred) thanks to the return of Syndex--and people
in Chicago lost the choice of being able to watch "Arsenio" on WWOR at 10:30
p.m. CT instead of the 11:30 p.m. time it aired on WBBM (since the CBS-owned
station had to run Pat Sajak at 10:30), among other examples.  When the Met
games moved off of WWOR, WWOR dropped off national cable.  Since WGN took WB
programming off the national feed, that station's only real attraction now
is the Cubs and White Sox games (and there are less of those, thanks to the
Cubs signing a cable contract with Fox Sports Net Chicago).  But of course,
that it makes the cable-only WB channels in smaller cities co-owned by the
cable systems and local broadcasters (probably NAB members) more attractive.
And in smaller markets where local stations pre-empt or delay more
frequently, cable companies used to be able to bring in network stations
from larger markets and offer shows at other times, particularly in the
Mountain time zone.  Syndex ended a lot of that--thanks to the NAB.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: lazyinny2@yahoo.com
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 0:08pm
Subject: Monday's Letterman

Did anyone catch on Monday's Letterman when Dave introdcued U2? When 
they came back from the break he and the audience seemed to be 
laughing and he said something along the lines of "Here, once again, 
is U2," when it was their first segment. It gave off the impression 
that either Dave messed up an intro originally or made there was a 
problem with U2's sound. Anyone have any info on this?

Thanks

From: gjangelo@yahoo.com
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 0:14pm
Subject: Re: Monday's Letterman

they played a song during the previous commercial, that's all.

> they came back from the break he and the audience seemed to be 
> laughing and he said something along the lines of "Here, once 
again, 
> is U2," when it was their first segment. It gave off the impression 
> that either Dave messed up an intro originally or made there was a 
> problem with U2's sound. Anyone have any info on this?

From: Keith Privett  <Keith@PRIVETT.COM>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 0:44pm
Subject: Plug Away 10/29-11/14 2001

An analysis of 
THE LINEUPS, brought to you by Sue Trowbridge and Tom Heald
(plus info from Regis&Kelly)

Biggest shills of the week*

JOHN TRAVOLTA (6 - 3 of the big 4) 
LA: Mo 10/29-Jay
NY: Th 11/1-TRL?! Fr 11/2-Regis, Rosie & Dave
LA: Th 11/8-Craig

CAST OF "SHALLOW HAL" (4 - 3 of the big 4)
JACK BLACK         NY: Mo 11/5-Dave We 11/7-Conan 
& GWYN PALTROW     LA: Tu 10/30-Jay NY: We 11/8-Conan

ANNE ROBINSON (3) "Weakest Link"
NY: Tu 11/6-Conan, 11/14-Daily
Tu 10/30-The Other Half- "Anne Robinson, a modern day witch,"

JOHN STAMOS (3) TV's "Thieves"
NY: Th 11/1-Conan, Fr 11/2-Regis Th 11/15-Daily

DAVID SPADE (3) TV's "Just Shoot Me"
NY: Tu 10/30-Dave, Th 11/1-Regis, Fr 11/2-Conan

TWO TIMERS**

KEVIN SPACEY "K-Pax" NY: We 10/31-Dave, Th 11/1-View
CHRIS MATTHEWS       NY: Th 11/1- Regis, The Daily
GENE SIMMONS         LA: We 10/31 Craig, Th 11/1-P.I.
BRITNEY SPEARS       NY: Mo 11/5-Rosie, Tu 11/6-Dave
CARL BILLANCIONE - "Survivor Africa" (14th Pl)
  (No Rosie or Dave?!?!) NY: Mo 10/29 - Regis, LA: Tu 10/30 - Craig
JOHN GOODMAN "Monsters, Inc." 
                     NY: Tu 10/30-Regis Sa 11/3-SNL    
ENRIQUE IGLESIAS     NY: Mo 10/29-Regis LA: Fr 11/2 - Jay
DL HUGHLEY           NY: We 10/31-Conan LA: Mo 11/5-PI
CARY ELWES           NY: Th 11/2-View  LA: We 11/7-Craig
ROB SCHNEIDER        LA: Fr 11/2-Jay, Fr 11/9-P.I.
JULIE SCARDINA/ANIMALS
                     NY: We 10/31-Rosie  NY: Th 11/8-Jay
ROSIE PEREZ          NY: We 10/31-Mizrahi, Mo 11/9-Rosie

Tie Breakers: 3 or more shows-lowest rated appearance
              2 shows-estimated delay between appearances

THE GOLDEN THROAT TOUR
Mo 11/5: Tony Bennett on Dave
Tu 11/6: Barry Manilow on Rosie
Tu 11/6: Wayne Newton on Craig

THE CORPORATE SYNERGY TOUR
Mo 10/29: Christa Miller of ABC's Drew Carey on View
Mo 10/29: Dale Earnhart Jr. of NASCAR on NBC on Jay
We 11/7: Marg Helgenberger of CBS's CSI on Dave
Th 11/8: Richard Schiff of NBC's West Wing on Conan
Th 11/8: Jennifer Saunders of COM's Ab Fab on Daily


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From: Sue Trowbridge  <trow@interbridge.com>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 0:59pm
Subject: Re: Plug Away 10/29-11/14 2001

Ha, this is great, Keith!! However, you can add Kevin Spacey to your
Biggest Shills list, since he's been booked on The Daily Show for this
Thursday. (Chris Matthews appears to have been bumped.)

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Keith Privett wrote:

> TWO TIMERS**
> 
> KEVIN SPACEY "K-Pax" NY: We 10/31-Dave, Th 11/1-View

> DL HUGHLEY           NY: We 10/31-Conan LA: Mo 11/5-PI

DL is now scheduled to be a guest on today's Rosie, so I guess he is a
three-timer as well. Keep up with the latest comings & goings at
http://www.interbridge.com/lineups.html !

Rob Morrow is another just-announced booking, for tonight's Daily
Show. Does anyone know what he's plugging? As an old Northern Exposure
fan, I have a soft spot for Rob, but he doesn't seem to have done anything
noteworthy in YEARS. A look at his entry in the IMDB
http://us.imdb.com/Name?Morrow,+Rob
shows six movies in the last two years, NONE of which I've heard of (which
smells like straight-to-video to me...).

--Sue T.

From: Keith Privett  <Keith@PRIVETT.COM>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 1:03pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 445

>    "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire" presents a special three-telecast 
series featuring eight of the world's top fashion models, beginning
THURSDAY, NOV. 15 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET; One-Time-Only airing of
"Millionaire" at this time on Thursday), on the ABC Television Network.
Playing for charity will be Kim Alexis, Carol Alt, Bridget Hall, Eva
Herzigova, Heidi Klum, Molly Sims, Frederique van der Wal and Veronica
Webb. Episodes two and three of the series will air MONDAY, NOV. 19
(8:00-9:00 p.m., ET), and THURSDAY, NOV. 22 (9:00-10:00 p.m., ET

Thoughts...
1) WWTBAM goes into direct combat with Friends and Survivor:Africa

2) Like Link this will mean five straight celebrity editions (unless
the 26th is couples, etc, and 7 out of 9 straight w/ celebs.

3) Due to witty banter, clips and assistance, The average celeb
Millionare average two contestants an hour. That would be four shows,
and the models were done by three.

4) The series ends Thanksgiving evening.

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From: Michael W Cummins  <mcummins@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 1:07pm
Subject: Re: Monday's Letterman

They began the song NEW YORK, but the keyboard sampler started and then
quit.

Bono made a joke about Dave not paying his electrical bill.

They started over again which is why Dave said 'once again'.  

Do we know how many bands have been allowed to perform more than one
song on Dave?


See ya,

Michael.

lazyinny2@y... wrote:
> 
> Did anyone catch on Monday's Letterman when Dave introdcued U2? When
> they came back from the break he and the audience seemed to be
> laughing and he said something along the lines of "Here, once again,
> is U2," when it was their first segment. It gave off the impression
> that either Dave messed up an intro originally or made there was a
> problem with U2's sound. Anyone have any info on this?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
HIJACKERS SURPRISED TO FIND SELVES IN HELL
'We Expected Eternal Paradise For This,' Say
  Suicide Bombers--The Onion September 26, 2001 
http://www.michaelvox.com
Michael W Cummins -- Silicon Valley, USA
Grace makes beauty out of ugly things
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From: Anthony Foglia  <afoglia@physics.ucsb.edu>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 1:18pm
Subject: Re: Plug Away 10/29-11/14 2001

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Sue Trowbridge wrote:

> Rob Morrow is another just-announced booking, for tonight's Daily
> Show. Does anyone know what he's plugging? As an old Northern Exposure
> fan, I have a soft spot for Rob, but he doesn't seem to have done anything
> noteworthy in YEARS. A look at his entry in the IMDB
> http://us.imdb.com/Name?Morrow,+Rob
> shows six movies in the last two years, NONE of which I've heard of (which
> smells like straight-to-video to me...).

	My guess would be "Maze."  It was his directorial debut and has
traveled the festival circuit for a while.  (It was in the Santa Barbara
film fest this spring.)  And I think I recall the TVBarn-linked article
about feature films premiering on cable mentioning "Maze" as either
opening in more theaters or premiering on cable this fall.

	A quick glance at the other movies of his recently smells more 
like artsy, barely-released art-house independents to me.

--Anthony

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From: Michael W Cummins  <mcummins@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 1:19pm
Subject: Re: Plug Away 10/29-11/14 2001

Sue Trowbridge wrote:

> Rob Morrow is another just-announced booking, for tonight's Daily
> Show. Does anyone know what he's plugging? As an old Northern Exposure
> fan, I have a soft spot for Rob, but he doesn't seem to have done anything
> noteworthy in YEARS. A look at his entry in the IMDB
> http://us.imdb.com/Name?Morrow,+Rob
> shows six movies in the last two years, NONE of which I've heard of (which
> smells like straight-to-video to me...).

I understand they're releasing a film he directed and stars in (with
Laura Linney), MAZE, in the next week or so.  It was much, much better
than I hoped.  It was shown at last year's San Jose Cinequest Film
Festival.  His performance as an artist with Tourette's Syndrome was
fantastic.  But then again, I've visited Rossyln, Washington.

See ya,

Michael.


-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
HIJACKERS SURPRISED TO FIND SELVES IN HELL
'We Expected Eternal Paradise For This,' Say
  Suicide Bombers--The Onion September 26, 2001 
http://www.michaelvox.com
Michael W Cummins -- Silicon Valley, USA
Grace makes beauty out of ugly things
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From: dave@fun2play.com
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 7:07am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 446

This is an auto-reply.

I will be out of email contact until Tuesday, November 6.

-Dave

From: pmurray@bigfoot.com
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 9:15am
Subject: Re: Plug Away 10/29-11/14 2001

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Keith Privett <Keith@P...> wrote:
> An analysis of 
> THE LINEUPS, brought to you by Sue Trowbridge and Tom Heald
> (plus info from Regis&Kelly)
> 
> Biggest shills of the week*

Brilliant!

Thanks for analyzing the kind of thing that we've only noted 
anecdotally.

BTW, I loved Jon Lovitz's "Plug Away" skits on SNL. The 
truth/shamelessness was charming.

Paul Murray
http://www.paulmurray.net

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 5:29am
Subject: Re: Re: Plug Away 10/29-11/14 2001

>BTW, I loved Jon Lovitz's "Plug Away" skits on SNL. The 
>truth/shamelessness was charming.

Harvey Fierstein never thought so...

From: Tom  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 11:13am
Subject: Remote Patrol: Trek or trout

Some call it Halloween, others call it Wednesday. I like to call today "Gladys."

	Among today's marathons are: 

	A Cartoon Network 24 hour session of "Night of The Living Doo" (since last Midnight), 24 hours of Scooby toons with funky interstitial bits from David Cross, Gary Coleman, Big Bad Voodoo Daddy. <http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/SCOOBY>

	Nick at Nite has haunted / scary episodes of "The Brady Bunch" (9 PM), "Diff'rent Strokes" with guest star Ray Bolger (9:30 PM) "Family Ties" - the gun control show (10 PM)
"Cheers" - Andy the stalker (10:30 PM) "Cheers" - Carla's haunted house (11 PM) Laverne and Shirley (11:30 PM) a "Cheers" Halloween party (1 AM) and "Cheers" Vs. Gary's Old Towne Tavern (1:30 AM.) 

	TVLand offers up the same Laverne and Shirley (but earlier) (8 PM) "The Odd Couple: The Exorcists" (8:30 PM) "The Dick Van Dyke Show: The Ghost of A. Chantz" (9 PM) "Barney Miller:
The Ghost (9:30 PM) "The Andy Griffith Show: The Haunted House" (10 PM) "Leave It to Beaver: The Haunted House" (10:30 PM)


	TNN - The National Network goes totally MAD with a marathon of MAD TV episodes (from 3 PM) hosted by several of the "I Know What You Did" / "Scream" kids, along with Robert Englund and Susan Sarandon. <http://tnnonline.com>

	Noggin has a "Ghostwriter" marathon with a viewer selected 4-part story (8 PM).

====


	On NBC's "Ed" (8 PM), A kiddy-show host tells one of the kids at the Stuckeybowl Halloween party to run away, and Warren tries to make a name for himself at a school bonfire.

	The A&E "Biography" (8 PM) explores why Vincent Price was scary, except when he appeared on the '60s "Batman" series.

	Have your wife get the door, Baseballapalooza continues on FOX (8 PM).

	On the WB, Dawson's daddy dies on A Very Special "Dawson's Creek" (8 PM). Hugs all around. 

	Bill O'Reilly does his best to scare the nation tonight on FOX News' "The O'Reilly Factor" (8 PM), and it's not a Halloween show.

	Uh-oh, those guys in sheets may not be pretending they're ghosts. The Discovery Channel profiles the spooky kooks with a look "Inside the KKK: Faces of Hate" (8 PM). 

	Anna Deavere Smith and "Emergency's" Kevin Tighe are among the eclectic guests on NBC's "West Wing," (9 PM) which features a veto showdown (with override threat) over the estate tax. C.J. strikes back, and Charlie may seek immunity.

	What's the missing reality show element that keeps people from watching CBS' "The Amazing Race" (9 PM)? Show me "RATS"!!!! And it's the #1 answer, would you like to pass or play? Louie, we'll pass!

	PBS offers highbrow scares with "Sweeney Todd in Concert: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street" (9 PM) <http://www.pbs.org/demonbarber>

	"Felicity" & A? (9 PM) To stay in school, she has to enter a beauty...er "Scholarship" pageant competing against guest star Monica. Even worse the swimsuit contest, Felicity thinks she may be pregnant, if only someone wise -- pageant judge Joyce Brothers -- were around to offer advice...

	E(h)! counts down the 13 scariest movies of all time on "Rank" (9 PM) with help from Brooke Burke, Wes Craven, Aisha Tyler, Ben Stein, Jessica Biel, James Van Der Beek, Robert Patrick, Chyna, Eric Stoltz, and the ever-present Robert Englund, followed by "The E! Hollywood Story of 'Scream'" (10 PM)

	While not an official Halloween show, ABC's "Bob Patterson" (9:30) does feature the Bride of E!, Jules Asner. Eeeeek!

	"The Drew Carey Show" (9:30 PM) celebrates Halloween with (sigh) yet another owner for Winfred-Louder, guest star "The Fonz," and a dentist's visit with the always-askew Charles Fleischer.

	CBS has a one hour greatest hits compilation of the 6-hour "Concert for New York City" (10 PM) from a few weeks back. The original broadcast proved some things just don't need to be live. Tonight's version spares viewers what seemed like an hour of production delays, pointless introductions (mostly from various "Saturday Night Live" cast members) and hopefully, an unnecessarily crass firefighter. "Concert: Lite" cuts to the good stuff: performances by Sir McCartney, Elton, "Gimmie" Mick, Eric Clapton, the Who, Billy Joel, James Taylor, and teenybopper acts The Backstreet Boys and Destiny's Child. <http://www.cbs.com/primetime/movies_specials/spe_concert_new_york.shtml>

	Jay has the creepy David Lynch and vastly overrated Hank Azaria, while Dave has the creepy Amy Sedaris and the slightly overrated Kevin Spacey (both 11:35ish).

From: aaron@tvbarn.com
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 5:37pm
Subject: CBS gives season orders to 3

CBS GIVES FULL SEASON ORDERS TO "THE AGENCY," "THE 
EDUCATION OF MAX BICKFORD" AND "THAT'S LIFE"

CBS has issued full season orders to the freshman dramas 
THE AGENCY and THE EDUCATION OF MAX BICKFORD and 
second year drama THAT'S LIFE.

THE AGENCY, starring Gil Bellows, Gloria Reuben, Rocky 
Carroll, Paige Turco, David Clennon, Ronnie Cox and Will 
Patton, is a suspense-filled drama about the people who work 
for the Central Intelligence Agency.

THE AGENCY (6.9/11, 10.08m) has improved its Thursday 
(10:00-11:00 PM) time period by +10% in households, +112% in 
adults 18-49 (3.6/9 from 1.7/4), +105% in adults 25-54 (4.5/10 
from 2.2/5) while adding 1.83 million viewers.

THE AGENCY is produced by Radiant Productions and Studios 
USA, in association with CBS Productions. Wolfgang Petersen, 
Gail Katz, Michael Frost Beckner and Shaun Cassidy are 
executive producers.

THE EDUCATION OF MAX BICKFORD stars Academy 
Award-winners Richard Dreyfuss and Marcia Gay Harden, Eric 
Ian Goldberg, Katee Sackhoff, Helen Shaver and Regina Taylor, 
in a drama about an inspirational college history professor, 
trying to make a difference in the lives of his students while trying 
to raise his kids as single dad.

THE EDUCATION OF MAX BICKFORD (8.4/13, 12.03m) is first in 
households in its Sunday (8:00-9:00 PM) time period, while 
averaging a 3.0/7 in adults 18-49 and 4.0/9 in adults 25-54.

THE EDUCATION OF MAX BICKFORD is produced by CBS 
Productions and Regency Television, in association with 
Twentieth Century Fox Television. Joe Cacaci and Rod Holcomb 
are executive producers.

THAT'S LIFE stars Heather Paige Kent, Debi Mazur, Ellen 
Burstyn, Kevin Dillon, Paul Sorvino, Titus Welliver and Danielle 
Harris, about a 30-something college student trying to find 
balance in her life amongst the mayhem of her numerous jobs, 
love life, family and friends.

THAT'S LIFE (5.0/9, 7.07m) has increased its household rating 
+30% in October, steadily increasing from a 4.3/8 at the 
beginning of the month to a 5.6/10.  The sophomore drama is 
averaging a 2.2/7 in adults 18-49, 2.8/8 in adults 25-54 and a 
3.5/9 in women 25-54.

THAT'S LIFE is produced by Paramount Network Television.  
Lynn Marie Latham is executive producer.  Diane Ruggiero, Jim 
Stanley and Dianne Messina Stanley are co-executive producers.

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 5:38pm
Subject: Fear Factor extended play....

[Of course they could always air it ad-free brought to you by Listerine. -- 
Tom]


Wednesday October 31 4:04 AM ET 
NBC puts celeb ``Fear'' into sweeps
By Josef Adalian

HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - NBC is stirring up some ``Fear'' this sweeps.

The network has decided to schedule a celebrity edition of its controversial 
reality series ``Fear Factor'' on the last Tuesday of the all-important 
November ratings sweeps. The episode will air Nov. 27 at 8 p.m., bumping 
``Three Sisters'' and the on-hiatus ``Emeril.''

Celebs recruited for the special include Donny Osmond, Kelly Preston (``Jerry 
Maguire''), David Hasselhoff and Brooke Burns (``Baywatch''), rapper Coolio 
and Joanie Laurer (aka Chyna from the WWF.) Each will play for charity.

NBC wouldn't say exactly what kinds of stunts celebs would have to endure, 
though NBC Entertainment president Jeff Zucker said one challenge involved 
worms and scorpions.

In a bit of further sweeps strategizing, the episode will run seven minutes 
over its usual hourlong length, running smack dab into the first part of the 
fourth episode of Fox's much-hyped, critically acclaimed new drama ``24.''

NBC had seriously considered stunting the celeb edition opposite next week's 
series premiere of ``24,'' but opted against the move because of inadequate 
promo lead time.

New episodes of ``Fear'' weren't slated to bow until January; the celeb 
edition was going to serve as the show's second-season premiere. But when a 
rough cut of the episode came in a few weeks ago, NBC executives started 
thinking a sweeps play made sense.

``We just wanted to get it on,'' said Zucker. ``It's a really great 
episode.''

``Fear'' will still debut as planned in January, with NBC upping its total 
order of the series to 15 episodes. There's no word yet on a time slot, but 
insiders speculate NBC may run episodes Mondays at 9 p.m., displacing ``Third 
Watch.''

In the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, the subsequent Afghan war and the 
anthrax scare, some industry observes had questioned whether ``Fear'' would 
still pack the same punch it did during its megasuccessful run this past 
summer. Questions also have been raised about whether it's appropriate to 
subject contestants to staged frightfests when Americans are facing terror 
alerts and biochem scares in their daily lives.

Zucker isn't buying any of those arguments.

``What the audience has been telling us over the last few weeks is that they 
want to be entertained,'' he said. ``It's our job to entertain people, and 
this show is incredibly entertaining. I'm not going to get caught up in 
psychoanalyzing the American public.''

What's more, Zucker believes the special ``Fear'' will be a big boost to 
NBC's Tuesday bottom line. ``We're going to probably double what we would 
have done in that time slot,'' he said.

If the first celeb ``Fear'' does well, NBC will likely order one or two more. 
``Fear'' was the summer's top-rated series among adults in the coveted 18-49 
age group, and averaged 12.3 million viewers per episode.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: C.D. Thomas  <cdthomas1999@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 11:38pm
Subject: Re: Remote Patrol: Trek or trout

NOT IN DENVER, THEY DON'T.

FEH.


> 
> 	PBS offers highbrow scares with "Sweeney Todd in Concert: The 
Demon Barber of Fleet Street" (9 PM) <http://www.pbs.org/demonbarber>

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 1:17am
Subject: "Citizen Baines" is sent packing

CBS' new drama "Citizen Baines" has been canceled upon request from the 
show's executive producers John Wells and Lydia Woodward. With the support 
of the series producer Warner Bros. Television, the two asked the network 
Tuesday to pull the plug on the struggling Saturday drama starring James 
Cromwell as an U.S. senator who goes back to his old life after an election 
defeat. "In this changing business environment, it does not make sense to 
continue with the production that doesn't have a financial upside," Wells 
said in a statement Wednesday. "Now more than ever we must be responsible 
to our partners at the studio and networks. Unfortunately, even with the 
full support of the studio and network, sometimes a quality product cannot 
find its audience as was the case with 'Citizen Baines.' "
-Hollywood Reporter

KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

"Aha!  You've just made the second biggest mistake!  The first is never get 
involved in a land war in Asia!"
      - Wallace Shawn, "The Princess Bride"

From: Anthony Foglia  <afoglia@physics.ucsb.edu>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 3:26am
Subject: Re: "Citizen Baines" is sent packing

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, The KJB wrote:

> CBS' new drama "Citizen Baines" has been canceled upon request from the
> show's executive producers John Wells and Lydia Woodward. With the support
> of the series producer Warner Bros. Television, the two asked the network
> Tuesday to pull the plug on the struggling Saturday drama starring James
> Cromwell as an U.S. senator who goes back to his old life after an election
> defeat. "In this changing business environment, it does not make sense to
> continue with the production that doesn't have a financial upside," Wells
> said in a statement Wednesday. "Now more than ever we must be responsible
> to our partners at the studio and networks. Unfortunately, even with the
> full support of the studio and network, sometimes a quality product cannot
> find its audience as was the case with 'Citizen Baines.' "
> -Hollywood Reporter

	What the ?  This is the first time I've heard of a show being
canceled on request of the producers.  What's the real story?  What's
hanging over John Wells head?

--Anthony

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I'm not happy.

But I got TV,
Man, I love TV,
And I watch TV,
While those happy people sleep.
-- Not Happy, Bruce McCulloch

From: hwn.  <hwnunes@tdl.com>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 3:47am
Subject: Re: "Citizen Baines" is sent packing

> CBS' new drama "Citizen Baines" has been canceled upon request from the
> show's executive producers John Wells and Lydia Woodward.
> -Hollywood Reporter

Sent packing?  More like packed up.

Anthony:
> What the ?  This is the first time I've heard of a show being
> canceled on request of the producers.  What's the real story?  What's
> hanging over John Wells head?

What happened is this.  The show is dead.  Part of the problem may be the show 
itself.  The other problem is the show is on Saturday nights.  CBS doesn't seem 
to be willing to move the show somewhere else.  Maybe John Wells was promised 
Monday nights if "Family Law" faltered to some preset floor.  Clearly, it does 
not have a future on Saturday nights.

I'm guessing (using rough numbers) CBS is paying AOL about $1 million per 
episode of "Baines," and AOL is spending about $2 million to make each 
episode.  If this show only lasts 13 episodes or even 22 episodes, the only 
thing AOL is going to get out of the deal is losing tens of millions of 
dollars.  They wouldn't have enough episodes for syndication.  So, with no long 
term gain, might as well take the short term margin benefits. This way, AOL 
saves around $4 million dollars.  And maybe they'd give the producers half of 
it.

And if you think a company that's worth hundreds of billions of dollars cares 
about a couple of million dollars, just remember that this is the outfit that 
turned 22 episode seasons into the 21 episode season all in the name of making 
their 2000 third quarter look better.
 
 
 
 
hwn.
-who assumes "Baines" is an AOL show because of the Wells association, but the 
same math holds true for the other 5 media monsters

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From: Steve Rhodes  <srhodes@well.com>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 3:50am
Subject: Re: "Citizen Baines" is sent packing

Actually, David Kelly requested that Snoops be killed a couple of seasons
ago on ABC.

 I imagine the reasons are exactly the ones Wells gave.  Saturday is a hard
night economically for the networks.  ABC has considered giving it back to
affiliates.  NBC has talked about using it to experiment with really cheap
shows.

 And Lisa de Moraes
                    pointed out that it is the oldest skewing show on the
oldest skewing network. Still, it is a shame since the few episodes I saw
were pretty good.

 I also imagine the impetus came as much from Warner which didn't see much
of a future for the show in syndication in the unlikely event it survived
for a few seasons.

   All this makes it unlikely there will be another drama with a lead
character that old.   At least until an older demo becomes more profitable.

From: dave@fun2play.com
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 6:30am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 447

This is an auto-reply.

I will be out of email contact until Tuesday, November 6.

-Dave

From: Don Hosek  <don@dream-in-color.net>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 9:11am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 447

--- In tvbarn2@y..., dave@f... wrote:
> This is an auto-reply.
> 
> I will be out of email contact until Tuesday, November 6.

Perhaps we should put this guy on no-mail...

-dh (by we, I of course mean Aaron)

From: Michael Jones  <spikej555@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 9:51am
Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 447

I sent an e-mail to Don Hosek days ago and he has not responded.  What the hell is going on?


Michael



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From: Keith Privett  <Keith@PRIVETT.COM>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 10:21am
Subject: Re: "Citizen Baines" is sent packing

> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 01:50:59 -0800 (PST)
> From: Steve Rhodes <srhodes@w...>
> Subject: Re: "Citizen Baines" is sent packing

> I imagine the reasons are exactly the ones Wells gave.  Saturday is a

> hard night economically for the networks.  ABC has considered giving
> it back to affiliates.  NBC has talked about using it to experiment 
> with really cheap shows.

coming soon to NBCBS... "Citizen He Hate Me" featuring Jacina Barrett
in Memphis Maniax Cheerleader outfit. Yowza.

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From: symposium1@aol.com
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 5:48am
Subject: Re: Re: "Citizen Baines" is sent packing

Anyone know of a handy web site that is keeping track of the cancelled, hiatus, picked up, etc., status of the fall season?

We had a huge budget thingie going on and I've lost my tally. I could restart it, but there's usually someone who's done a better job of it.

Thanks! 

--Ann

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 6:11am
Subject: What's still on tv

>> Anyone know of a handy web site that is keeping track of the cancelled, 
> hiatus, >picked up, etc., status of the fall season?

<http://www.tvguidelive.com/update/renewals.html>

Canadian and American primetime programs renewed for 2002-2003:

PICK-UPS 
Networks normally order just a few episodes of a new series. A pick-up, or an 
order of additional episodes up to a full season's worth, is a vote of 
confidence in the performance of a new show.
 
The Agency (CBS/Global). Five-episode pick-up announced October 30.

Alias (ABC/CTV). Announced October 23.

According to Jim (ABC/CTV). Announced October 23.

Law & Order: Criminal Intent (NBC/CTV). Announced October 23.

Crossing Jordan (NBC/CH). Announced October 23.

Undeclared (Fox/Global). Announced October 23.

Reba (WB/Global). Announced October 23.

Maybe It's Me (WB/CTV). Announced October 23.

Raising Dad (WB/Global). Announced October 23.

The Guardian (CBS/Global). Announced October 17.

Scrubs (NBC/CTV). Announced October 17.

One on One (UPN). Announced October 16.

My Wife and Kids (ABC/CTV). Announced October 10.  
 
NEW ANNOUNCEMENTS:

Martha Stewart Living (Syndicated). Renewed for a sixth season on October 10.

Entertainment Tonight (Syndicated). Anchor Mary Hart has a contract through 
to 2006. Announced October 8.

Farscape (Space). Received a two-year, 44 episode renewal on October 1.

King of the Hill (Fox/Global). Renewed for a seventh season (through to 
2002-03).

Making the Band (ABC). Although ABC cancelled the show early this fall, U.S. 
cable channel MTV picked up the reality series for a third season of the 
adventures of O-Town. No word yet on a Canadian carrier.

Stargate SG-1 (Syndicated). Renewed for a sixth season, to air in 2002-03.


PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENTS:

Buffy the Vampire Slayer (UPN). Renewed through to 2003. Announced April 20.

Dharma & Greg (ABC). The series' last renewal deal included an option for 
2002-03.

Everybody Loves Raymond (CBS). Renewed through to 2003. 

JAG (CBS). Renewed through 2003. Announced May 8.

Just Shoot Me (NBC). Renewed through 2003. Announced April 6.

Mad TV (Fox). Renewed through 2003. Announced April 10.

NYPD Blue (ABC). The series' last renewal deal included an option for 
2002-03.

Politically Incorrect (ABC). Renewed through 2003.

The Practice (ABC/CTV). Renewed through 2003 with an option for 2004.

Royal Canadian Air Farce (CBC). Renewed through 2003.

The Sopranos (CTV). The show has been renewed for its fourth and fifth 
seasons.

South Park (Comedy). Renewed through 2003.

That '70s Show (Fox/Global). Renewed through 2003. 

Charmed (WB). Renewed through 2004. Announced May 15.

The Drew Carey Show (ABC). Renewed through to 2004. Announced June 21.

ER (NBC). Renewed through 2004.

Frasier (NBC). Renewed through 2004. Announced March 6.

Hollywood Squares (Syndicated). Renewed through 2004.

The Oprah Winfrey Show (Syndicated). Renewed through 2004. 

The Rosie O'Donnell Show (Syndicated/CTV). When Rosie steps down in spring 
2003, the show will be continue, but with a new host (Caroline Rhea) and a 
new name.

7th Heaven (WB). Renewed through season eight (2003-2004).

Whose Line is it Anyway? (ABC/CTV). Renewed through 2004.

The Jerry Springer Show (Syndicated). Renewed through 2005.

Law & Order (NBC). Renewed through 2005.
Tonight Show with Jay Leno (NBC). Leno's contract goes until the end of 2005.

20/20 (ABC). Renewed through 2005.

The View (ABC). Renewed through 2005. 


The Price is Right (Syndicated). Host Bob Barker signed a five-year renewal 
deal on June 6. The series, which debuted in September 1972, is now set to 
air through to the summer of 2006. Barker, 77, will set records for 
longest-serving and oldest game show host.

Nightline (ABC). Renewed through 2006.

Teletubbies (PBS). Enough episodes have been filmed to last through 2008.



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From: Anthony Foglia  <afoglia@physics.ucsb.edu>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 11:50am
Subject: Re: "Citizen Baines" is sent packing

I understand the economics reasons for AOLTW wanting to cancel
Baines.  But it's just odd to see the cancellation desire come out of
"Wells" and not a higher-up at AOLTW.  So he must have got pressure from
AOLTW, and that was the story behind the story I was curious about.

	I find it hard to believe that anyone would see he's making a good
product and take the initiative to stop it just to save the company some
money.  Especially not someone with as much pull as Wells.

	Thanks for clarifying.

--Anthony

-------------------------------------------------------------------
I have studied many times,
The marble which was chisled for me,
A boat with a furled sail, at rest in a harbour.

In truth, it pictures not my destination
But my life.
-- "George Gray", Spoon River Anthology, Edgar Lee Masters

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 11:52am
Subject: RE: "Citizen Baines" is sent packing

> 	I understand the economics reasons for AOLTW wanting to cancel
> Baines.  But it's just odd to see the cancellation desire come out of
> "Wells" and not a higher-up at AOLTW.  So he must have got 
> pressure from
> AOLTW, and that was the story behind the story I was curious about.
> 
> 	I find it hard to believe that anyone would see he's 
> making a good
> product and take the initiative to stop it just to save the 
> company some
> money.  Especially not someone with as much pull as Wells.

Wells would've probably asked for another shot if there was a good slot
available at CBS.  There isn't right now, really (as much as many of you
would probably like to see "Family Law" or "Judging Amy" jettisoned).

If I am reading this correctly, was "Baines" co-owned by the network or did
WB and Wells own the series completely?

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: Don Hosek  <don@dream-in-color.net>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 2:06pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 447

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Michael Jones" <spikej555@e...> wrote:
> I sent an e-mail to Don Hosek days ago and he has not responded.  
What the hell is going on?

I'm confused. Did you mean the other guy? The one with the 
autoresponder?

-dh

From: Don Hosek  <don@dream-in-color.net>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 2:12pm
Subject: The ubiquitous Shrug

I was kind of disappointed to see that Evan Handler's appearance on 
the West Wing this week was limited to the "previously on West 
Wing..." part of the show. I'm wondering if it would have marked the 
first time an actor played two different characters on back to back 
TV shows. 

He's apparently already done his Law & Order spot (last year about 
this time) which may well make him the only actor to have appeared on 
an entire evening's shows on one network. If "It's Like You Know..." 
hadn't been an ABC show, they could re-run the relevant WW,Ed, and 
L&O shows together and promote it as Shrug night.

-dh (who's thinking perhaps a little less tv watching is in order).

From: Tom  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 2:15pm
Subject: Remote Patrol: special guest star and/or asterisk.

What's a World Series (8 PM) without anyone breaking a bat and trying to cause a riot? I mean it's on FOX this year!
 
	A Rolling Stone gathers the blues for Bravo, in "Bill Wyman's Blues Odyssey" (8 PM) a tribute to some of his musical heroes including B.B. King, Sam Phillips, and Wilson Pickett. 

	"The E! True Hollywood Story" (8 PM) takes a look at the short life of "Herve Villechaize." Yes, it's a full hour show.

	Gee, an episode of NBC's "Friends" (8 PM) with a celeb guest star (Yawn.) Sean Penn oddly hasn't been on yet, and Phoebe tries to score with him, making her twin sister (guest star Patti Duke) jealous. 

	On a very special episode of TNT's "NBA Basketball," (8 PM) Michael Jordan tries to score with the Wizards, making Atlanta jealous. 

	On CBS' "Survivor: Africa" (8 PM), tribes try to score liquid from the stream, making an angry water buffalo (guest star Shelley Winters) jealous.

	The Learning Channel explores the case of worried mother Susan Smith (8 PM) whose children were carjacked. "Oops, did I say they were kidnapped, I meant' I MURDERED THEM,' never mind."

	The eight-hour "United We Stand" concert in D.C. gets heavily edited down to a 2-hour ABC special (8 PM). Pseudo-"Beach Boy" John Stamos hosts the event which features Backstreet Boys (woooooooooo!), Janet (Miss Jackson, if you're nasty), a woman who claims to be Mariah Carey, Destiny's Child, Aerosmith, Rod Stewart, Ricky Martin, Carole King, P. Diddy, James Brown and Train. Oh, and Janet's brother.

	It's the best episode of NBC' "Inside Schwartz" ever! The kind that doesn't air. 

	In a A&E "Biography" double header Florence Henderson (8 PM) and Robert Reed (9 PM) could have gotten away with it, if it weren't for those pesky kids and their damned dog. 

	On "The X-Creatures," (9 PM) the Discovery Channel hunts for Bigfoot and the Yeti, as neither has done an episode of "Friends" yet. 

	Woody Harrelson proposes on NBC's "Will & Grace & Nathan," (9 PM) obviously Grace accepts otherwise they wouldn't have changed the name. 

	On the Discovery Channel's "Lost Tombs of Peru" (10 PM), the Sican civilization scores, making Spain jealous.

	NBC's ER (10 PM) hires a French barmaid to run things. Yeah, that sounds about right. 

	What appears to be a rejiggered of the pilot of CBS' "The Agency" (10 PM) finally airs. Formerly about an Osama bin Laden terrorist attack in London, it's now about an "impending" terrorist attack "somewhere" in Europe.

	ABC's "Primetime Thursday" (10 PM) casts pearls before swindlers, and Sebastian Junger reports from the Taliban frontline: "Yo Diane, this is really cool!"

From: Don Hosek  <don@dream-in-color.net>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 2:21pm
Subject: Re: Chance of Emmy Awards vs. World Series Game 7

Well, now that the series is at 2-2, there's a roughly 50% chance of 
game 7 in just about every calculation of the odds (including the 
incorrect ones!).

Throw in a 100% chance of Toy Story 2 on ABC plus NBC's mini-series 
with a heroic Hank Azaria and I'd bet that this may well be the 
lowest rated emmies ever.

-dh

From: jondelfin@aol.com
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 2:42pm
Subject: doing the time shift again

Just finished watching the NBC Wednesday night shows. While waiting 
for the tape to rewind, was subjected to several ads for local 
political races and thought how glad I'll be next Wednesday when that 
drone ceases. Then hit "play" and what's the first thing I see? "100 
days to the Winter Olympics on NBC." I must have done something very, 
very bad.

I hope Denver gets the "Sweeney Todd" performance eventually. It was 
exceptionally good, barring some jumpy camera work. And the opening 
title is very funny, though I don't think they meant it to be. In a 
creepy font, you see "Sweeney Todd," over which they super "The Demon 
Barber of Fleet Street." And then, after a beat, they add, in the same 
font, "In Concert."

Jon

From: Don Hosek  <don@dream-in-color.net>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 3:10pm
Subject: Re: The ubiquitous Shrug

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Don Hosek" <don@d...> wrote:
> He's apparently already done his Law & Order spot (last year about 
> this time) which may well make him the only actor to have appeared 
on 
> an entire evening's shows on one network. 

Hmm, well after an exhaustive search of the listings of guest stars 
at imdb.com, it turns out that Shrug's been beat to the punch:
Mike Starr (Kenny/Sen Tony Marino/2 L&Oers)

Interestingly it seems almost more likely that an Ed actor will have 
been on L&O than not. But then given the filming location and 
dependence on a rotating cast of guest stars (on L&O especially), 
this shouldn't be that big of a surprise. 

-dh

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 4:49pm
Subject: RE: Re: Remote Patrol: Trek or trout

> NOT IN DENVER, THEY DON'T.
> 
> FEH.

*Two* PBS stations and neither of them aired "Sweeney Todd?"  Unbelievable.

Of course, they may be airing it in the future--perhaps one of them's
holding it for a pledge drive.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 4:53pm
Subject: RE: "Citizen Baines" is sent packing

> -who assumes "Baines" is an AOL show because of the Wells 
> association, but the 
> same math holds true for the other 5 media monsters

If you mean Warner Brothers, yes.  I see that you have a Steve Case
obsession.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 4:56pm
Subject: RE: "Citizen Baines" is sent packing

>  And Lisa de Moraes
>                     pointed out that it is the oldest skewing 
> show on the
> oldest skewing network. Still, it is a shame since the few 
> episodes I saw
> were pretty good.
> 
>  I also imagine the impetus came as much from Warner which 
> didn't see much
> of a future for the show in syndication in the unlikely event 
> it survived
> for a few seasons.
> 
>    All this makes it unlikely there will be another drama with a lead
> character that old.   At least until an older demo becomes 
> more profitable.

And the Baby Boomers assumed that they would be the catered-to generation
from cradle to grave.

It doesn't help that media buyer is an entry-level position--which means
that a bunch of snot-nosed GenYers are forcing their tastes to all other
television viewers, because they buy the time for the shows that stay on the
air.

Anyone want to bet that Britney or Cristina gets a sitcom for next season?

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: bleemer@excite.com
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 8:21pm
Subject: Demographics

I copied this from Mark Jeffries's post about "Citizen Baines":

>    All this makes it unlikely there will be another drama with a 
lead
> character that old.   At least until an older demo becomes 
> more profitable.

And the Baby Boomers assumed that they would be the catered-to 
generation
from cradle to grave.

It doesn't help that media buyer is an entry-level position--which 
means
that a bunch of snot-nosed GenYers are forcing their tastes to all 
other
television viewers, because they buy the time for the shows that stay 
on the
air.

I remember participating in market research when I was younger and 
running across the question, "How likely are you to choose this 
product based on the advertisement? A.Very likely, B.Somewhat likely, 
etc."

I assume that the younger demographic is desirable to advertisers 
because their research shows that young people are the most likely to 
make buying decisions based on commercials. Older consumers tend to 
be more rigid in their buying patterns. If this is the case, an older 
demo will never be more profitable to advertisers, and media buyers' 
tastes are in fact the taste of the target audience. Has anybody in 
this group been involved in demographic research and can you comment?

-Tom W

From: symposium1@aol.com
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 5:21pm
Subject: Re: What's still on tv

In a message dated 11/1/01 12:11:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, tomalhe@a... 
writes:


> >> Anyone know of a handy web site that is keeping track of the cancelled, 
> > hiatus, >picked up, etc., status of the fall season?
> 
> <http://www.tvguidelive.com/update/renewals.html>
> 
> Canadian and American primetime programs renewed for 2002-2003:
> 
> etc.

Tom, thanks for this. See, this is why this list ROCKS!  And, conversely, why 
I feel I really know so little.

Peace,

Ann

---------------------------------------------------------------
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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 5:23pm
Subject: Hey everybody! Pay attention to Geraldo!

[And upon openign bin Ladens cave he turned up only a couple of empty anthrax 
canisters. -- Tom]

Geraldo Rivera joins Fox News as war correspondent
By Steve Gorman

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Controversial television journalist Geraldo Rivera 
said Thursday he is quitting his own seven-year-old talk show on CNBC to take 
a job as a war correspondent for rival cable outlet Fox News Channel. 

Rivera, 58, said his decision to return to the trenches of broadcast news was 
sparked by the Sept. 11 attacks on the America and the U.S. government's 
resulting war on terrorism. 

"I'm a reporter, and this fight against terror is the biggest story of our 
times," Rivera said in a statement prepared for Thursday's broadcast of 
CNBC's "Rivera Live." "And as much as I love this job, I can't stay anchored 
to this desk any longer." 

Rivera said the last broadcast of his show on CNBC would be Nov. 16, after 
which he would join the news team assembled at Fox News Channel as a war 
correspondent. 

With Rivera's departure, CNBC said it would end his nightly show and extend 
its business news programming into prime time. Rivera had hosted the topical 
interview show since 1994. 

Rivera's previous experience as a foreign correspondent has included stints 
covering drug trafficking in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the 1973 Yom Kippur 
War in Israel and more recent conflicts in Central America, the Philippines, 
Lebanon and the Balkans. 

Rivera has won numerous Emmys and other awards since he began his career in 
1970 as a reporter with WABC-TV. He sprang to fame in 1972 with an expose of 
the squalid conditions at Staten Island's Willowbrook State School for the 
Mentally Retarded. 

Since then, the career of the aggressive, often brash journalist and TV host 
has wavered between spectacular success and embarrassing flops. 

He scored a major coup by securing the Zapruder film footage of President 
John F. Kennedy's assassination for its initial TV presentation. And he 
logged substantial on-camera time for ABC news magazines "Good Night, 
America," "Good Morning, America" and "20/20." 

But his heavily hyped, highly rated 1986 prime-time documentary special "The 
Mystery of Al Capone's Vaults" proved a bust when the gangster's purported 
inner sanctum turned up empty. Two years later, Rivera suffered a broken nose 
on national television when an on-camera brawl erupted between the head of 
the Congress of Racial Equality and neo-Nazis on his daytime trash talk show 
"Geraldo!" 

That show, later renamed "The Geraldo Rivera Show," ran 11 years in 
syndication. 

Rivera debuted in prime time on CNBC with "Rivera Live" in 1994, several 
months before the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson, and made inroads back to 
respectability with his extensive coverage of the O.J. Simpson affair. 


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From: spowers934@yahoo.com
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 11:52pm
Subject: Carol & Company

In response to the 11/1 "On This Day" -- I wouldn't exactly 
characterize "Carol & Company" as a bomb.  It got a spring tryout in 
1990, and was renewed for the full 1990-91 season.  The ratings were 
pretty decent for both seasons, and NBC frequently ran episodes back-
to-back on Saturdays.  From what I remember, NBC was willing to pick 
the show up for a third year, but Carol thought it was too difficult 
to sustain the comedy-anthology format for 22 episodes per year, and 
wanted to go back to her old hour-long variety format.  NBC wasn't 
interested, so she took the show to CBS.

From: aaron@tvbarn.com
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 0:15am
Subject: For those still keeping score

'TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO' REPEATS AS LATE-NIGHT 
RATINGS CHAMP


NEW YORK -- November 1, 2001 -- NBC's TONIGHT SHOW 
WITH JAY LENO topped the weeknight late-night standings in 
key demographics and total viewers for the fifth time in as many 
weeks this season, based on measurable in-home viewing data 
provided today by Nielsen Media Research.

Even with a slate of previously broadcast shows airing during the 
last full week prior to the start of the November sweep, TONIGHT 
won the week ending October 28, 2001 with a 2.0 rating and nine 
share in adults 18-49, a 1.6/7 in adults 18-34, a 2.3/9 in adults 
25-54 and an average of 5.3 million viewers overall.

Through five weeks this season, the top-rated TONIGHT SHOW 
has increased its delivery of adults 18-49 (up two percent), 
adults 18-34 (up three percent), adults 25-54 (up four percent) 
and total viewers (up nine percent) compared to its averages 
during the first five weeks of the 2000-01 season (a period of 
time when the show aired only first-run episodes).

NBC also received a strong performance last week from 
rebroadcast episodes of LATE NIGHT WITH CONAN O'BRIEN, 
which averaged a 1.0/7 in adults 18-49, a 1.0/7 in adults 18-34, a 
1.1/7 in adults 25-54 and 2.2 million viewers overall (up eight 
percent compared to the show's average with rebroadcast 
shows during the same week last year).

LATE NIGHT beat CBS' "Late Late Show" by 43 percent in adults 
18-34, 25 percent in adults 18-49, 38 percent in adults 25-54 
and 45 percent in total viewers.

Season to date, LATE NIGHT has increased its delivery of adults 
18-34 by nine percent, adults 18-49 by six percent, adults 25-54 
by eight percent and total viewers by 17 percent compared to its 
averages during the first five weeks of the 2000-01 season.


Members of the media can get more information about NBC and 
its programming on the NBC Media Village Web site at 
www.nbcmv.com.

#            #            #

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 7:57pm
Subject: Re: For those still keeping score

>'TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO' REPEATS AS LATE-NIGHT 
>RATINGS CHAMP

Yes, but you're forgetting, the only person who really still cares... is Jay 
Leno.


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From: Tom  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 3:33am
Subject: Remote Patrol: Mr. Periwinkle just flipped to CBS

Tom Poston guests on CBS' "The Ellen Show" (8:30 PM) aka "Match Game 2001." Character actors need love too. 

	Fox Family Channel re-airs the underwhelming (very unauthorized) TV movie "Michael Jordan: An American Hero" (8 PM). Your kids will want to know about Jordan's temper and gambling problems about as much as he wants you to. And yes, NBC's "The Jesse Ventura" story was better.

	ABC explores post WTC "America '01" (8 PM) starting with profiles those who escaped the Pentagon attack by a twist of fate.

	PBS' Life 360 (10 PM) looks at "Roots" as a group of black Americans makes a pilgrimage to Senegal, an Alaska woman presents her family tree and singer Darius de Haas performs.

	ABC's "Thieves" (9 PM) rips off an old Get Smart episode sending our mismatched duo south of the border down Me-hico way to nab a general.

	The History Channel presents a look at the "Golden Gate Bridge" (8 PM).  dare I suggest you tape this... just in case?

From: jondelfin@aol.com
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 11:41am
Subject: the envelope stretches again

Another note from the Land of Time-Shifting. Just finished watching 
"CSI." Had set the VCR as usual to record to 10:01. Second week in a 
row that the machine (clock correctly set, thank you) cut out before 
the end credits. CBS must really want to pull people away from "ER" 
and into "The Agency."

Jon

From: dave@fun2play.com
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 11:41am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 448

This is an auto-reply.

I will be out of email contact until Tuesday, November 6.

-Dave

From: macathom@yahoo.com
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 11:58am
Subject: Re: The ubiquitous Shrug

One thing that strikes me watching L&O reruns is that the whole 
original supporting cast of "The Practice" made appearances on the 
older show, Steve Harris and Camryn Manheim more than once.

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Don Hosek" <don@d...> wrote:
> --- In tvbarn2@y..., "Don Hosek" <don@d...> wrote:
> > He's apparently already done his Law & Order spot (last year 
about 
> > this time) which may well make him the only actor to have 
appeared 
> on 
> > an entire evening's shows on one network. 
> 
> Hmm, well after an exhaustive search of the listings of guest stars 
> at imdb.com, it turns out that Shrug's been beat to the punch:
> Mike Starr (Kenny/Sen Tony Marino/2 L&Oers)
> 
> Interestingly it seems almost more likely that an Ed actor will 
have 
> been on L&O than not. But then given the filming location and 
> dependence on a rotating cast of guest stars (on L&O especially), 
> this shouldn't be that big of a surprise. 
> 
> -dh

From: squid4brains@yahoo.com
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 0:04pm
Subject: Buffy overrun

The 8-minute extended "Buffy" will overlap the premiere of "24." 
So, everyone rush out and buy an extra VCR for Tuesday, and then 
return it on Wednesday....

(BTW, "Buffy overrun" is a pretty funny engineer joke, yes?)

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 0:19pm
Subject: Re: the envelope stretches again

At 05:41 PM 11/2/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>Another note from the Land of Time-Shifting. Just finished watching
>"CSI." Had set the VCR as usual to record to 10:01. Second week in a
>row that the machine (clock correctly set, thank you) cut out before
>the end credits. CBS must really want to pull people away from "ER"
>and into "The Agency."

I usually time shift the satellite feed from the night before and I've 
noticed it runs long as well (for some reason, the sat feed for CBS shows 
have the full breaks in them instead of a fade down / fade up like most 
feeds).
CBS has a habit of doing this.  It was next to impossible to fit two 
episodes of "Now & Again" on a single tape because it always ran over by a 
minute or two.


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

"Aha!  You've just made the second biggest mistake!  The first is never get 
involved in a land war in Asia!"
      - Wallace Shawn, "The Princess Bride"

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 0:23pm
Subject: Re: Buffy overrun

At 06:04 PM 11/2/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>The 8-minute extended "Buffy" will overlap the premiere of "24."
>So, everyone rush out and buy an extra VCR for Tuesday, and then
>return it on Wednesday....

Better yet, go out and buy a big satellite dish and watch the show on 
Monday morning (where it runs with Angel).  You'll never have the problem 
again! ;-)


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

"Aha!  You've just made the second biggest mistake!  The first is never get 
involved in a land war in Asia!"
      - Wallace Shawn, "The Princess Bride"

From: Jim Ellwanger  <trainman1@mindspring.com>
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 0:53pm
Subject: Re: Buffy overrun

KJB wrote...
>At 06:04 PM 11/2/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>>The 8-minute extended "Buffy" will overlap the premiere of "24."
>>So, everyone rush out and buy an extra VCR for Tuesday, and then
>>return it on Wednesday....
>
>Better yet, go out and buy a big satellite dish and watch the show on
>Monday morning (where it runs with Angel).  You'll never have the problem
>again! ;-)

Or catch "24" when it repeats Friday night on Fox, or Sunday on
FX...assuming you can wait that long.

--
Jim Ellwanger <trainman1@m...>

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 0:40pm
Subject: Re: Buffy overrun

At 10:53 AM 11/2/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>Or catch "24" when it repeats Friday night on Fox, or Sunday on
>FX...assuming you can wait that long.

Nah, I'm an American - I want it now or, preferably, 15 minutes ago. :-)


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

"Aha!  You've just made the second biggest mistake!  The first is never get 
involved in a land war in Asia!"
      - Wallace Shawn, "The Princess Bride"

From: dave@fun2play.com
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 1:34pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 449

This is an auto-reply.

I will be out of email contact until Tuesday, November 6.

-Dave

From: Sue Trowbridge  <trow@interbridge.com>
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 4:54pm
Subject: Survivor question for sharp-eyed viewers (11/1 spoiler)

Did anyone notice what it said on one of the cards featuring Silas' name
at Tribal Council last night? One of his tribemates had written SILAS and
then a couple of words underneath it. I thought it might have said "the
creep," but it came & went so quickly that I couldn't tell, and I was
watching "live" instead of on video tape, so I couldn't hit pause.

--Sue T.

From: SeanJordan@aol.com
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 11:54am
Subject: Re: Survivor question for sharp-eyed viewers (11/1 spoiler)

In a message dated 11/2/2001 2:48:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
trow@i... writes:


> I thought it might have said "the
> creep," but it came & went so quickly that I couldn't tell, and I was
> watching "live" instead of on video tape, so I couldn't hit pause.

I went over it slowly with my TiVo and basically got the same thing, didn't 
know if it was "The Cap" or "the Creep" or what...

Gotta say I was glad to see Linda go last night, guess the gods weren't with 
her. It's so funny that the elders are getting so upset at the youth for 
getting rid of them when it's exactly what they planned.

And... Anyone have any ideas what is going to happen next week? For those who 
didn't see it, they teased some big event that has never happened on the show 
before, set for the first 15 minutes, which will change the nature of the 
game. I imagine it's an early merger or pre-merger trade or something. 
Perhaps group all the elders and all the youngsters into two seperate tribes?

~


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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 4:58pm
Subject: RE: Survivor question for sharp-eyed viewers (11/1 spoi ler)

> And... Anyone have any ideas what is going to happen next 
> week? For those who 
> didn't see it, they teased some big event that has never 
> happened on the show 
> before, set for the first 15 minutes, which will change the 
> nature of the 
> game. I imagine it's an early merger or pre-merger trade or 
> something. 
> Perhaps group all the elders and all the youngsters into two 
> seperate tribes?

The rumor is that the tribes will be broken up into *three* tribes.  This
has been whispered about all along--of course, Burnett isn't saying.  It's
obviously a response to the fact that the fortysomethings have been bounced
out by the kids.  Since CBS had a Standards and Practices person on location
this time (which they didn't have for the first two series, as I understand
it), it was approved by that representative before it was done--if it was
done (after all, Burnett *is* a master of misdirection).

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: Sue Trowbridge  <trow@interbridge.com>
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 5:08pm
Subject: Re: Survivor question for sharp-eyed viewers (11/1 spoiler)

On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 SeanJordan@a... wrote:

> Gotta say I was glad to see Linda go last night, guess the gods weren't with 
> her. It's so funny that the elders are getting so upset at the youth for 
> getting rid of them when it's exactly what they planned.

I think the elders are more upset that the youths are a bunch of lazy,
classless, immature dolts! I am halfway between 'em in age, but I have to
say that I'm siding with the "oldsters."
 
> And... Anyone have any ideas what is going to happen next week? For those who 
> didn't see it, they teased some big event that has never happened on the show 
> before, set for the first 15 minutes, which will change the nature of the 
> game. I imagine it's an early merger or pre-merger trade or something. 
> Perhaps group all the elders and all the youngsters into two seperate tribes?

It has long been rumored that in an effort to be new & different this
season, the two tribes will be split into three at some point in the game.
My guess is that is what's coming next week. You've gotta love this blurb
from CBS.com:

"The Survivors thought they knew the game, but the game is about to change
-- forever! Don't miss the first 15 minutes of the all-new SURVIVOR AFRICA
next Thursday!"

I was a little confused by that wording (first 15 minutes? What about the
remaining 45?) until it occurred to me that they're trying REAL HARD to
make people turn away from FRIENDS.

--Sue T.

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 5:04pm
Subject: RE: Survivor question for sharp-eyed viewers (11/1 spoi ler)

>You've gotta 
> love this blurb
> from CBS.com:
> 
> "The Survivors thought they knew the game, but the game is 
> about to change
> -- forever! Don't miss the first 15 minutes of the all-new 
> SURVIVOR AFRICA
> next Thursday!"

Which was essentially the voice-over of the promo that ran at the end of
last night's show before the credits/voting record/final thoughts replacing
the usual next-episode preview V/Od by Probst.

> I was a little confused by that wording (first 15 minutes? 
> What about the
> remaining 45?) until it occurred to me that they're trying 
> REAL HARD to
> make people turn away from FRIENDS.

No, Sue, it's the season premiere of "Family Guy" that they're worried
about.  :)

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: Brad Beam  <bbeam@prodigy.net>
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 6:16pm
Subject: Re: Buffy overrun

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <squid4brains@y...>


> The 8-minute extended "Buffy" will overlap the premiere of "24." 
> So, everyone rush out and buy an extra VCR for Tuesday, and then 
> return it on Wednesday....

Or, have your WB affiliate run UPN programming two hours later.

Thanks, WB30! ;)
<whcp-tv.com> 

 _  _
|_>|_>  Brad Beam- Belle WV
|_>|_>  http://pages.prodigy.net/bbeam

From: symposium1@aol.com
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 7:38pm
Subject: Re: Demographics

In a message dated 11/1/01 21:22:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
bleemer@e... writes:


> I assume that the younger demographic is desirable to advertisers 
> because their research shows that young people are the most likely to 
> make buying decisions based on commercials. Older consumers tend to 
> be more rigid in their buying patterns. If this is the case, an older 
> demo will never be more profitable to advertisers, and media buyers' 
> tastes are in fact the taste of the target audience. Has anybody in 
> this group been involved in demographic research and can you comment?

I'd say you're partly right. Another thing is that younger adults tend to be 
setting up their homes and making more big purchases -- furnishings, etc. 
And, they tend to be more voracious consumers of soft drinks, fast 
food/casual dining restaurant food, beer, new cars, groceries (with the 
likelihood of kids in the home being higher with the head-of-household under 
50), and electronics. 

There are broad generalisms, but most big companies do extensive market 
research. They know not only who their consumers are, but as you say those 
who would respond to TV advertising -- to a special offer, to general brand 
awareness, to a compare-and-save type of ad,  etc. 

--Ann



---------------------------------------------------------------
Ann Carrigan
Primate

Now, with opposable thumbs!



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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 7:59pm
Subject: Little Union Leader on the Prairie

[Sure, but will she roll down the hill for each meeting? -- Tom]

Gilbert Elected SAG President
By LOUINN LOTA
  
LOS ANGELES (AP) - Actress Melissa Gilbert was elected president of the 
Screen Actors Guild, union officials said, defeating actress Valerie Harper 
in a fiercely contested race that could end up being contested over a flaw in 
thousands of ballots. 

Gilbert, who played Laura Ingalls on the popular television series ``Little 
House on the Prairie,'' received 12,280 votes, union spokesman Greg Krizman 
said late Friday. Harper, who was wisecracking Rhoda Morgenstern on ``The 
Mary Tyler Moore Show'' and later ``Rhoda,'' received 10,692 votes. 

Eugene Boggs finished third with 2,553 votes, Krizman said. 

The election took place during a time of discord within the union's ranks, 
following a lengthy commercial actors' strike last year and a barely averted 
walkout by movie and TV actors earlier this year. 

Many prominent actors sided with either Gilbert or Harper during the 
campaign. 

Friday's results came just a day after SAG's election committee decided to 
defer a decision on whether to impound the ballots because of a missing 
signature line on nearly a third of them. 

Nearly 24,000 ballots sent to SAG members in New York failed to include the 
signature line, which critics said could allow their validity to be 
challenged. The other 74,000 sent around the country include a line that 
states: ``Voter: Print and sign your name on the back of this envelope.'' 

Guild officials downplayed the effect of the flaw, saying in a written 
statement that each ballot envelope is already affixed with a printed member 
identity label that verifies its legitimacy. 

``If somebody wants to bring a challenge they are free to do so. The 
constitution says they have to wait until after the election,'' Krizman said. 


None of the candidates had raised serious objection to the flaw. 

The trade paper Variety reported Thursday that Hollywood SAG member Gordon 
Drake planned to challenge the results. 

``I respect the decision of the elections committee, but I will move forward 
with my challenge. The issue is credibility to the members. They need to know 
that the election is valid under the rules of the constitution and bylaws,'' 
Drake said. 


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From: dave@fun2play.com
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2001 5:25am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 450

This is an auto-reply.

I will be out of email contact until Tuesday, November 6.

-Dave

From: jondelfin@aol.com
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2001 7:12am
Subject: the rest... of the story?

"Entertainment [sic] Tonight" this week reported a change of format 
for the Emmy Awards. This year, there will be no supering of close-ups 
of the nominees' faces when the envelopes are opened. Officially, the 
Academy is downplaying the competitive aspect of the event. Sure. 
Here's another theory: an awful lot of those nominees won't be there, 
and an ocean of headshots in place of actual heads would be an 
embarrassment.

From: Tom  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2001 2:07pm
Subject: Remote Patrol: Meet the Flintsones

Cartoon Network presents "The Flintstones on the Rocks" (7 PM) a stylish brand new spankin' new hour-and-a-half "Flintstones" movie involving a jewel caper in Rockapulco.

	Barry Levinson narrates "Fiddler on the Roof:30 Years of Tradition" for Turner Classic Movies. (8 PM) It's the story of the musical that midwest high school drama departments turn to when they want to be hip and multicultural.

	John Schneider stars in the PAX "thriller" "Lightning: Fire from the Sky" (9 PM), an "exciting" tale of a deadly rainstorm. Wow, thunderbolts and lightning. Very very frightening me -- Gallileo. 

	Showtime Boxing (10 PM) presents Super Lightweights Kostya Tszyu vs. Zab Judah.

	VH1 presents "Two of a Kind" (10 PM) allegedly A Movie that Rocks! Fans of John Travolta and Olivia Newton-John will remember this as one of their teamups better forgotten. 

	When you've hosted NBC's "Saturday Night Live" (11:30) as much as John Goodman, you can even pick the musical guest. Who knew he was such a fan of Ja Rule?

From: dave@fun2play.com
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2001 5:50am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 451

This is an auto-reply.

I will be out of email contact until Tuesday, November 6.

-Dave

From: Pollak, Melissa  <mpollak@nsf.gov>
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2001 3:48pm
Subject: Polluting PAX airwaves when necessary

My mother lives in Memphis, and this morning she told me about an unusual
collaboration between the local NBC and PAX affiliates in that city.  Yes, I
know NBC owns PAX, but what occurred on Thursday sounds awfully strange. 

Apparently, the local NBC affiliate preempted the Thursday night line-up in
favor of the Grizzlies' opening game, the team's first in Memphis.  The two
episodes of Friends, one an original and the other a repeat, were shown on
the PAX affiliate at 7 (CT).  Diagnosis Murder was shown as usual, at 8, and
ER was shown at 9 -- on PAX.  Will and Grace and Just Shoot Me will be
broadcast tonight beginning at 10:30 p.m., on the local NBC affiliate
following the local news.

Now, it surprised me that PAX would be showing both Friends and ER.  Then I
thought about the first Friends episode.  I couldn't recall this particular
episode containing anything specific that would likely offend PAX viewers.
I didn't watch the second (repeat) Friends episode, so I don't know if that
one contained anything objectionable, and I didn't watch ER -- but I suspect
they cleared the censor, too.

However, I did watch Will and Grace (but not Just Shoot Me).  W&G was over
the top, even more so than usual -- even a buddy of mine commented that he
didn't know how the show could get away with what it got away with on
Thursday night.  

So I'm suspecting someone at PAX must have screened the Thursday night
line-up and deemed Friends and ER okay, but drew the line at Will and Grace.
(Even if W&G just happened to be squeaky clean for one night, I suspect gay
characters are just a plain no-no on PAX.)

Anyone else heard of similar strange happenings?

Melissa

From: Tom  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2001 4:13pm
Subject: Remote Patrol: Party down.

The Emmys (tonight, on CBS, 8 PM) used to be an event on the level of the Oscars. Other networks would put up reruns and just brace for low ratings. The delays of September 11th and the following bombing raids have pushed it into the November sweeps period, where there's more competition than ever. 

	For the kids, a week after "Toy Story" comes "Toy Story 2" on ABC's "The Wonderful World of Disney/PIXAR" (7 PM). Were you aware they had a new film in theatres?

	There's championship baseball for Dad, (Fox, 8 PM) or more New York sports on ESPN as the Jets play the Saints at 8:30. 

	Showtime has "The Wilde Girls" (8 PM) with Olivia Newton-John and real life daughter in one of those special mother and daughter / "Thelma & Louise" journey of a Lifetime (Network) things. 

	Normal people get chewed out by Anne on NBC's "The Weakest Link" (8 PM). If you were assuming this was still enjoyable, we're sorry, you banked too late. 
 
TNN's "Fame for 15" (8 PM) repeats its "Sex and Violence in Hollywood" episode with "Hollywood Hookers" (likely either Divine Brown or perhaps Madame Heidi Fleiss) and the Rodney King beating.

	PBS' "The American Masters" (9 PM) documents the life of show tune composer Richard Rogers, with and without Hammerstien on the side.

	War, ugh, good God y'all, what is it good for? Oh yeah, that's right... ratings. I've always been of the mind that war should be hell, not entertainment, so NBC's 4-hour "Uprising," (9 PM) while inspiring and star studded will probably be passed over. 

	A tape will run though for ABC's "Alias" (9 PM). Is it more than just a rip-off of both the Manchurian Candidate and the Michael Douglas asylum thriller "Don't Say A Word" from last month? I'll never teeeeeeeeell.

	Gotta love the family friendly PAXploitation on tonight's "Ponderosa," (9 PM) with a tale of the Donner party. Share it with someone you love, and pass the salt.

	HBO'S "Band of Brothers" (9 PM) finds Hitler's mountaintop retreat. Good to know they're keepin' it real. How were they able to do this without Ben Affleck in every battle in the war?

	Drew Carey is Vince McMahon! You were hoping he'd be Ed? The guy who helped create Carey's show runs the WB's "Nikki," (9:30) so that explains his subtle sweeps appearance as an evil wrestling magnate. 

	Hugh Hefner is old and has a lot of sex. There's your family friendly version of the profanity laced "New York Friar's Club R*@S..." on Comedy Central (10 PM, and at least 100 more times in coming months).  

	Eugene has had enough of Jimmy's screw-ups on ABC's "The Practice," (10 PM), as I think most of us have as well. He is still on contract though. Maybe Eleanor will finally wise up that he's in love with her? Nah.

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2001 0:17pm
Subject: Re: Polluting PAX airwaves when necessary

>So I'm suspecting someone at PAX must have screened the Thursday night
>line-up and deemed Friends and ER okay, but drew the line at Will and Grace.
>(Even if W&G just happened to be squeaky clean for one night, I suspect gay
>characters are just a plain no-no on PAX.)

It was likely more local affialiate doings than anything national, they can 
program however they wish. 


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From: hwn.  <hwnunes@tdl.com>
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2001 8:00pm
Subject: Gotta love Fox Sports...

So you're watching the World Series, hear the Fox ticker chimes (da-da-da-da), 
look at the bottom of the screen and see...

Doris Roberts has won the Emmmy for supporting actress in a comedy series.

Hee hee.  I assume that more for the "benefit" of viewers on the Left Coast.  
That wacky Fox.
 
 
 
 
hwn.

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From: SeanJordan@aol.com
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2001 3:23pm
Subject: More competitive programming?

So despite the fact that my on-screen programming says ALIAS is on here at 9 
ET, New York's ABC seems to be showing PRACTICE in its timeslot. We'll see if 
they show ALIAS next, anyone know if they did this to compete with all the 
programming tonight? The change isn't indicated at their media or regular 
website...

From: John I. Carney  <jicarney@edge.net>
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2001 8:36pm
Subject: Writing for comedy or variety

Did anyone else notice that when the writing nominees for outstanding 
comedy or variety series were announced, everyone had some sort of 
humorous graphics except Letterman? The names of the "Chris Rock 
Show" writers accompanied footage of breakdancers, "The Daily Show" 
had black-and-white footage of monkeys, SNL had photos of Chris 
Kataan in various get-ups, but LSwDL just had a crawl of the writers' 
names over the logo. What gives?


John I. Carney  |  jicarney@e...  |  http://jicarney.cjb.net

From: Jeff Metzner  <jeff@jmetzner.com>
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2001 8:41pm
Subject: RE: More competitive programming?

I don't think it will be shown at 10 -- there was an announcement at 9PM
(at least on my affiliate) saying that tonight's ALIAS had been replaced
by an "encore" of THE PRACTICE and that the show would return in two
weeks.  I don't see anything in the episode description on abc.com that
would suggest that it was pulled for content -- maybe they were just
worried about the Emmy & World Series competition?

-----Original Message-----
From: SeanJordan@a... [mailto:SeanJordan@a...] 
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 9:23 PM
To: tvbarn2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tvbarn2] More competitive programming?



So despite the fact that my on-screen programming says ALIAS is on here
at 9 
ET, New York's ABC seems to be showing PRACTICE in its timeslot. We'll
see if 
they show ALIAS next, anyone know if they did this to compete with all
the 
programming tonight? The change isn't indicated at their media or
regular 
website.. .

From: Jeff Metzner  <jeff@jmetzner.com>
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2001 9:03pm
Subject: RE: More competitive programming?

Well, the 10PM Practice is a rerun too, so I'm guessing ABC just decided
not to fight the competition tonight.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Metzner [mailto:jeff@j...] 
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 9:42 PM
To: tvbarn2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [tvbarn2] More competitive programming?


I don't think it will be shown at 10 -- there was an announcement at 9PM
(at least on my affiliate) saying that tonight's ALIAS had been replaced
by an "encore" of THE PRACTICE and that the show would return in two
weeks.  I don't see anything in the episode description on abc.com that
would suggest that it was pulled for content -- maybe they were just
worried about the Emmy & World Series competition?

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2001 4:13pm
Subject: Re: Writing for comedy or variety

As i recall, the letterman staff started the use of wacky footage. It would 
seem they chose not to mock the event this year.


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From: Laurel Krahn  <laurel@windowseat.org>
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2001 9:28pm
Subject: Re: Gotta love Fox Sports...

On 11/4/2001 at 6:00 PM hwn. wrote:

>So you're watching the World Series, hear the Fox ticker chimes
>(da-da-da-da), look at the bottom of the screen and see...
>
>Doris Roberts has won the Emmmy for supporting actress in a comedy series.

Ha!

I thought Ellen's opening remarks at the Emmys were hilarious, especially
the line about how they'd be keeping people apprised of the World Series
score, but couldn't imagine that FOX would break in with announcements
about who won which emmys.

Guess she was wrong . . . (too funny).

--
Laurel Krahn | www.tvpicks.net

From: mupmalis@yahoo.com
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2001 9:41pm
Subject: Re: Writing for comedy or variety

I think that was something that LSwDL started a few years ago. They 
must have held off this year. A good decision from my view.

Mike
--- In tvbarn2@y..., "John I. Carney" <jicarney@e...> wrote:
> Did anyone else notice that when the writing nominees for 
outstanding 
> comedy or variety series were announced, everyone had some sort of 
> humorous graphics except Letterman? The names of the "Chris Rock 
> Show" writers accompanied footage of breakdancers, "The Daily Show" 
> had black-and-white footage of monkeys, SNL had photos of Chris 
> Kataan in various get-ups, but LSwDL just had a crawl of the 
writers' 
> names over the logo. What gives?
> 
> 
> John I. Carney  |  jicarney@e...  |  http://jicarney.cjb.net

From: Tom  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 5:46am
Subject: Remote Patrol: Can't you feel the news, tonight?

"The Wonder Years" (7:30) joins the daily Fox Family Channel lineup of ABC '80s shows you're kinda tired of, having previously been on TNN, and /or Nick @ Nite.

	FOX's "Boston Public" (8 PM) continues misbehaving, also with a controversial pregnancy, this one involving a "smart girl," who wants to keep her baby. Ooooh. Papa don't preach...

	Ricki Lake begins a run as Doug's sister on CBS' "King of Queens (8 PM).

	Robin Quivers and Kevin Nealon get about a half hour each in the hotseat on ABC's "Who Isn't Already A Millionaire?" (8 PM, whenever)

	"Dateline NBC" (8 PM) cons the public... officially. No "Weakest Link" tonight. 

	Jennifer Saunders presents a quick fix of depravity with a prep course on "How to Be Absolutely Fabulous" (8 PM), to prepare the uninitiated for new episodes. Kinda like an all-femme NY Friars Roast. 

	UPN has a night of 'Lil surprises with rapper Lil' Romeo on "The Hughleys" (8 PM), rapper Lil' Zane on One on One  (8:30 PM), and Lil' Bow Wow on "The Parkers." (9 PM) "Girlfriends" (9:30 PM) hits the nude beach for lil'... clothing.

	Either the "Uprising" (9 PM) succeeds, or NBC wasted 2 hours of your time Sunday night. 

	The WB presents the treat of "Vampire babies" on "Angel" (9 PM) as a Darla / Rosemary is part of one of those end-of-the-world "Xena" pregnancies.

	I don't even know why semi-lawyer Ling is appointed a judge on FOX's "Ally McBeal" (9 PM) but I'm assuming it's just a cocaine-induced dream of Robert Downey, Jr. 

	PBS "American Roots Music" (10 PM, or whenever) goes commercial as Western, swing, bluegrass and honky-tonk hit the big time as influenced by the labor movement, WWII, urban migration, progressive politics and the McCarthy era. Features threads in this musical quilt tonight are Bob Wills, Bill Monroe and Earl Scruggs, Ernest Tubb, Lefty Frizzell, Hank Williams, Woody Guthrie, John and Alan Lomax, Arthur "Big Boy" Crudup via Elvis, as told by Scruggs, Merle Haggard, Marty Stuart, Arlo Guthrie, Sam Phillips, Kitty Wells and B.B. King. 

	CNN's "Newsnight" makes its regularly scheduled debut with "Downtown" Aaron Brown (10 PM, repeated at 1 AM). 

	Dave has Jack Black & Tony Bennett (11:35ish), Jay has "Buffy" and "From Hell's" directorial team the Hughes brothers.

From: dave@fun2play.com
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 6:50am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 452

This is an auto-reply.

I will be out of email contact until Tuesday, November 6.

-Dave

From: gjangelo@yahoo.com
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 7:42am
Subject: Re: More competitive programming?

>maybe they were just worried about
>the Emmy & World Series competition?

That's it--- "We're not gonna waste an expensive new episode here 
when less people are watching."

Wasn't on in any time zone-- verified by buddies on AIM.

From: jondelfin@aol.com
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 10:06am
Subject: speaking of time shifting

So if 10 out of 27 winners didn't show up and therefore didn't make 
speeches (okay, 9 out of 27 if we count Steve Martin's usurpation), 
how badly planned was the Emmy telecast that the last few major 
categories' nominees were shown with stills instead of clips and the 
show *still* ran five minutes long?

I guess Phil Driscoll's trumpet playing was so absorbing (I'm 
being polite) that nobody noticed or cared to comment that he steals 
all his vocal licks from Ray Charles. Body English too.

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 10:52am
Subject: Re: Re: More competitive programming?

At 01:42 PM 11/5/2001 +0000, you wrote:
> >maybe they were just worried about
> >the Emmy & World Series competition?
>
>That's it--- "We're not gonna waste an expensive new episode here
>when less people are watching."
>
>Wasn't on in any time zone-- verified by buddies on AIM.

I wonder if it ran in Canada?  The satellite feed went out as usual on 
Saturday morning so it may have been a last second decision.


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

"Aha!  You've just made the second biggest mistake!  The first is never get 
involved in a land war in Asia!"
      - Wallace Shawn, "The Princess Bride"

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 5:53am
Subject: Re: speaking of time shifting

>So if 10 out of 27 winners didn't show up and therefore didn't make 
>speeches how badly planned was the Emmy telecast that the last 
>few major > categories' nominees were shown with stills instead of 
>clips and the > show *still* ran five minutes long?

According to E(h)!  network's after-show, at one point they were actually 
running 10 minutes ahead. 


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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 10:55am
Subject: RE: speaking of time shifting

> According to E(h)!  network's after-show, at one point they 
> were actually 
> running 10 minutes ahead. 

Was Ellen's visit to the press room what knocked 'em behind?

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 0:16pm
Subject: RE: speaking of time shifting

At 10:55 AM 11/5/2001 -0600, you wrote:
> > According to E(h)!  network's after-show, at one point they
> > were actually
> > running 10 minutes ahead.
>
>Was Ellen's visit to the press room what knocked 'em behind?

Nah, had to be the Streisand song.

BTW - did anyone else notice the rampant screwups during the award that 
Jessica Alba and Jennifer Garner were giving out?  I guess the tech 
director was too busy appreciating Alba's low cut take on "business casual".


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

"Aha!  You've just made the second biggest mistake!  The first is never get 
involved in a land war in Asia!"
      - Wallace Shawn, "The Princess Bride"

From: Keith Privett  <Keith@PRIVETT.COM>
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 1:18pm
Subject: Another possible reason for ALIAS postponement

>From: Jeff Metzner [mailto:jeff@j...] 
>Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 9:42 PM
>To: tvbarn2@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [tvbarn2] More competitive programming?

>I don't think it will be shown at 10 -- there was an announcement at 
>9PM (at least on my affiliate) saying that tonight's ALIAS had been 
>replaced
>by an "encore" of THE PRACTICE and that the show would return in two
>weeks.  I don't see anything in the episode description on abc.com
that
>would suggest that it was pulled for content -- maybe they were just
>worried about the Emmy & World Series competition?

The late switch probably means the World Series was the dealbreaker...
but check out this story that bears out some aspects of the show's
plot...
------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Associated Press
Published November 5, 2001, 6:52 AM CST

NEW YORK -- A secret office operated by the CIA was destroyed in the
terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, seriously disrupting
intelligence operations.

The undercover station was in 7 World Trade Center, a smaller office
tower that fell several hours after the collapse of the twin towers on
Sept. 11, a U.S. government official said.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that immediately
after the attack, a special CIA team scoured the rubble in search of
secret documents and intelligence reports stored in the station, either
on paper or in computers. It was not known whether the efforts were
successful.

A CIA spokesman declined to comment on the existence of the office,
which was first reported in Sunday's editions of The New York Times.

The New York station was behind the false front of another federal
organization, which the Times did not identify. The station was a base
of operations to spy on and recruit foreign diplomats stationed at the
United Nations...

>The agency's officers in New York often work undercover, posing as
diplomats and business executives<, among other things. They have been
deeply involved in counterterrorism efforts in the New York area,
working jointly with the Federal Bureau of Investigation and other
agencies.

...The agency is prohibited from conducting domestic espionage
operations against Americans, but it maintains stations in a number of
major United States cities, where CIA case officers try to meet and
>recruit students< and other foreigners to return to their countries
and spy for the United States....

__________________________________________________
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Find a job, post your resume.
http://careers.yahoo.com

From: symposium1@aol.com
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 9:00am
Subject: Broadcasting and Cable offline?

Has anyone else tried to access B&C's web site today?
http://www.broadcastingcable.com

I can't seem to get through.

--Ann

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 2:14pm
Subject: RE: Broadcasting and Cable offline?

> Has anyone else tried to access B&C's web site today?
> http://www.broadcastingcable.com

I just got through.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: ed3@panix.com
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 2:31pm
Subject: Re: Remote Patrol: Party down.

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Tom" <tomalhe@a...> wrote:
> 	A tape will run though for ABC's "Alias" (9 PM). Is it more
> than just a rip-off of both the Manchurian Candidate and the
> Michael Douglas asylum thriller "Don't Say A Word" from last month?
> I'll never teeeeeeeeell.

Did you get an episode of "Alias" last night?  I got a voiceover 
saying that "Alias" would return in two weeks but that I should stay 
tuned for a repeat of "The Practice."  I flipped over to NBC instead, 
thank you very much.

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 2:36pm
Subject: RE: Re: Remote Patrol: Party down.

> Did you get an episode of "Alias" last night?  I got a voiceover 
> saying that "Alias" would return in two weeks but that I should stay 
> tuned for a repeat of "The Practice."  I flipped over to NBC instead, 
> thank you very much.

ABC took "Alias" off at the last minute rather than get bombed by the World
Series, the Emmys and "Uprising"--the Series in particular (38 share in
overnights!!).

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 5:00pm
Subject: RE: Writing for comedy or variety

> Did anyone else notice that when the writing nominees for outstanding 
> comedy or variety series were announced, everyone had some sort of 
> humorous graphics except Letterman? The names of the "Chris Rock 
> Show" writers accompanied footage of breakdancers, "The Daily Show" 
> had black-and-white footage of monkeys, SNL had photos of Chris 
> Kataan in various get-ups, but LSwDL just had a crawl of the writers' 
> names over the logo. What gives?

And don't forget Conan's writers represented as "The Price is Right"
contestants coming on down to Contestants Row, with Conan represented by Bob
Barker.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: thumbsup3@aol.com
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 1:17pm
Subject: Re: speaking of time shifting

<< BTW - did anyone else notice the rampant screwups during the award that 
 Jessica Alba and Jennifer Garner were giving out?  I guess the tech 
 director was too busy appreciating Alba's low cut take on "business casual".
  >>

And the award they were presenting was for best direction of a variety or 
music program. I guess irony isn't dead after all.

Christine

From: symposium1@aol.com
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 1:37pm
Subject: Re: Broadcasting and Cable offline?

In a message dated 11/5/01 15:15:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
mjeffries@k... writes:


> > Has anyone else tried to access B&C's web site today?
> > http://www.broadcastingcable.com
> 
> I just got through.

Thanks,  Mark. I eventually did too.
The big draw today was an article about the local CBS affiliate possibly 
preparing to drop its agreement with CBS:
Preparing to say nay to Eye
CBS's Jacksonville affil, WJXT, considers turning independent
By Dan Trigoboff 
Broadcasting & Cable 
11/5/2001   
http://www.tvinsite.com/broadcastingcable/index.asp?layout=story&
articleId=CA181082&display=searchResults

Apparently Post-Newsweek doesn't want to play their reindeer games anymore.

--Ann
---------------------------------------------------------------
Ann Carrigan
Primate

Now, with opposable thumbs!





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From: jondelfin@aol.com
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 6:50pm
Subject: two ads, three thoughts

Have you seen the Walgreens ad for Halloween costumes et al., with the 
kid wrapped in aluminum foil? Very cute. But why did I see it tonight 
(11/5, during Buffy on FX)?

Also saw an ad for new alcohol-free Stridex pads. Reminded me of a 
story I once heard, veracity unknown. It seems Bactine once came out 
with a sting-free formula. It was promoted heavily, but it tanked. 
Research determined that people believed that if it didn't sting, it 
didn't work. So they put a little alcohol in, and sales skyrocketed. 
Not only do I wonder how the new Stridex product will fare, but now I 
wonder if the alcohol in the original formula was functional or 
psychological.

Jon

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 3:47pm
Subject: Re: Re: Remote Patrol: Party down.

>Did you get an episode of "Alias" last night?  I got a voiceover 
>saying that "Alias" would return in two weeks but that I should stay 
>tuned for a repeat of "The Practice."  I flipped over to NBC instead, 
>thank you very much.

All I can rely on what the networks give me or a few other sources... when I 
wrote my coulmn, a new Practice and a new Alias were what the network was 
presenting as its schedule for Sunday night. 


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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 3:47pm
Subject: Re: speaking of time shifting

>Was Ellen's visit to the press room what knocked 'em behind?

I'd think Ellen's trip to the press room was likely meant to help bring them 
in on time. Expecting Aaron Sorkin or Darren Starr (or anyone else) to not 
read their grocery lists is what may have helped them run over. 


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From: Dave Friedman  <dave@fun2play.com>
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 8:54pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 452

>And aren't we all glad Dave gets the digest instead of individual postings?

This is NOT an auto reply.

Sorry to have bombarded the group with all those postings. I'll try 
to remember to turn off my digest subscription before I take my next 
vacation.

-Dave

From: Sue Howe  <Mh2328@aol.com>
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 10:01pm
Subject: The A in ABC is for ASTUTE

--- In tvbarn2@y..., The KJB <osiris@i...> wrote:
> At 01:42 PM 11/5/2001 +0000, you wrote:
> > >maybe they were just worried about
> > >the Emmy & World Series competition?

I found this at Zap2it.com:

>LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - ABC made a last minute scheduling move 
>late Friday, deciding to pull original episodes of its hit 
>dramas "The Practice" and "Alias," from Sunday, Nov. 4's schedule, 
>where they would air opposite against "The 53rd Annual Primetime 
>Emmy Awards" and the "World Series: Division Game 7." 

>"It was an astute scheduling move on ABC's part when we realized the 
>World Series would go to Game 7 and would also go against the Emmy 
>Awards," a network spokesman tell Zap2it.com.

>Instead of facing against both the World Series and the Emmys, the 
>Alphabet network decided to air back-to-back repeats of "The 
>Practice." The two episodes that aired, "Gideon's Crossover" 
>and "What Child is This," were both high profile episodes, the first 
>featuring a crossover with last season's "Gideon's Crossing" and the 
>second dealing with the birth of Eleanor's (Camryn Manheim) baby.

I think ABC is astute to find a spokesman who will point out the 
astuteness he and his cohorts exhibited in this situation.  It's 
almost as if the network doesn't trust its viewers to reach the same 
conclusion.  

SueH.

From: symposium1@aol.com
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 5:10pm
Subject: NBC's "Uprising" -- poor planning, or just bad commercial transitions?

I didn't watch any of "Uprising" last night, as I was partly watching the 
Emmys and partly getting some stuff done. Tonight after "Boston Public" -- 
which seems to have added some extra Kelley screwiness this season -- I 
flipped over to catch a little of it. At first I thought my local affiliate 
had messed up their automation and cut to break in the middle of a show 
segment. Then I realized there was a pattern...it went right out of a scene 
to about a half-second of black screen, then right into a national spot. 
Right into a Christmas-y jingle, in one case. 

Now, usually in any network fare -- let alone one of their premium sweeps 
originals -- they have "bumpers" that transition into and out of a break. The 
only one I saw for "Uprising" came at the top of the hour. It was almost as 
if the thing were made for being run with limited commercial interruption, 
and then had to be busted up. 

Did anyone else find that strange? Especially, given the grim subject matter, 
I found it odd there wasn't a little something cushioning one's transition 
out of the Warsaw sewer back to 21st century capitalism. 

--Ann

---------------------------------------------------------------
Ann Carrigan
Primate

Now, with opposable thumbs!



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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 6:03pm
Subject: Re: NBC's "Uprising" -- poor planning, or just bad commercial trans...

>I found it odd there wasn't a little something cushioning one's transition 
>out of the Warsaw sewer back to 21st century capitalism. 

Well, you are watching it on a television aren't you? ;)


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From: SeanJordan@aol.com
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 6:07pm
Subject: Re: NBC's "Uprising" -- poor planning, or just bad commercial trans...

> Well, you are watching it on a television aren't you? ;)

For those that want to wait, I received the mini on tape today from WARNER 
Home Video, who will release it on VHS and DVD on December 18th.

Heh, this info was embargoed until 10 minutes ago...


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