From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sat Dec 1, 2001 8:54pm
Subject: Re: Sensual bodywork in NYC

>Like to feel sensual? 
>I do. This is why I do sensual bodywork, I enjoy it.

Like wow, you have so figured out our list. Do you work for UPN?


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From: spowers934@yahoo.com
Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 9:47am
Subject: Re: What's up with AMC?

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Steve Rhodes <srhodes@w...> wrote:
> 
>they've been running lots of more recent movie which aren't
> classics by any stretch of the imagination.
> 
AMC has always run movies that weren't exactly classics (the Blondie 
series, endless B films from the 30s and 40s). "Fright Night" is one 
of the more clever horror movies of the 1980s, certainly several cuts 
above (no pun intended) the "Friday the 13th" series. I can't help 
but wondering if it would have been singled out if it was made in B&W 
in the 1950s.

The problem with AMC is the edits for content, even more than the 
ads, I think. I don't see how a channel can claim to be "preserving 
our film heritage" and then go and show hacked-up versions of these 
movies. I've gotten to the point where I won't watch movies on TV 
when I know they've been edited.

If AMC wants to boost their audience, they'd be better off showing 
unedited movies rather than acquiring content like "Fright Night" 
and "An Officer and a Gentleman", which have already been rerun to 
death throughout the 90s and really aren't going to attract a new 
audience to the channel.

From: ec109695@yahoo.com
Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 2:30pm
Subject: Re: What's up with AMC?

> The problem with AMC is the edits for content, even more than the 
> ads, I think. I don't see how a channel can claim to be "preserving 
> our film heritage" and then go and show hacked-up versions of these 
> movies. I've gotten to the point where I won't watch movies on TV 
> when I know they've been edited.
> 
> If AMC wants to boost their audience, they'd be better off showing 
> unedited movies rather than acquiring content like "Fright Night" 
> and "An Officer and a Gentleman", which have already been rerun to 
> death throughout the 90s and really aren't going to attract a new 
> audience to the channel.

Yeah, they definitely edit their movies for content. I believe it's 
because they are a basic cable channel, so they are held to a 
different standard compared to premium channels such as HBO.

BTW, who sets the "standard" that networks follow? Are there laws 
prohibiting certain content on broadcast and basic cable, or do 
networks simply censor themselves based on their own editorial 
judgment? A week ago, ABC was receiving a lot of flack for their 
Victoria's Secret special. In the articles published about the 
complaints, it was mentioned that the FCC regulates programming from 
6:00 AM – 10:00 PM. Does this mean broadcast network are allowed to 
do anything they want outside of these times? Does the FCC have any 
say over cable networks?

Anyway, after the tragedy that was Kingpin on ABC last night, I'm 
going to stop watching anything but PG movies on television. First, 
ABC cut twenty minutes of the film to fit it into the two hour slot 
allocated to it last night. Removing 20% of a movie basically ruins 
it, but to further the problem, ABC cut out at least 50% of the punch 
lines, and almost all instances of sexual innuendo. Given that 
Kingpin is a two star Farley Brother's movie (very crude, but often 
very funny) ABC wasn't left with much else. I can't imagine anyone 
who enjoyed ABC's version of Kingpin last night (it was only on in 
the background at my house). Oh well, I guess now that now sweeps are 
over, ABC no longer cares how many people are watching their network; 
I wonder if advertisers feel the same way. 

On the bright side, NBC substituted last night's 3:00 AM SNL repeat 
with an episode featuring George Harrison as one of the musical 
guests, which I thought was a nice thing to do.

From: Tom  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 4:04pm
Subject: Remote Patrol: Sing, Sing a Song

Depending on your local PBS affiliate, you might get to watch the
documentary "Down From The Mountain," (6 PM) based on a series of
concerts performed by musicians involved with the bluegrass
soundtrack from the movie "O Brother Where Art Thou." "Down" was
briefly in theaters this year, and deserves better than to be hacked
up with winter pledge breaks. I bought a copy of it on video and have
already loaned it out. If you loved the original movie and CD, both
this film and its soundtrack are magnificent "Brother" siblings. 
	Down from the Mountain (The "O Brother Where Art Thou?" Concert) on
VHS
	<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005NVH9/thedennismillerf>

	Down from the Mountain (The "O Brother Where Art Thou?" Concert) on
DVD
	<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005NVHA/thedennismillerf>

	While the "Down" CD does feature a few live versions of "Brother"
material, it does try not to duplicate very many of the tracks and
offers new musical "nuggets of joy."

	The CD
	<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005MJYJ/thedennismillerf>

	As much as I've hated the thought of seeing most any Disney animated
release over the last few years (having passed on have passed on
"Dinosaur," "Atlantis: The Lost Empire," "Recess: School's Out," "The
Tigger Movie," "Doug's 1st Movie," all the direct to video cartoon
sequels) the attempts by Dreamworks, Warner Brothers and FOX haven't
offered much competition for the Mouse House. It's safe to say that
aside from the Pixar stuff, (and I really wish had become a
competitor to Disney), Disney has been out of ideas for about 5-6
years, and is no longer a company Walt would wanna be associated
with. Dreamworks' "The Prince of Egypt" (7 PM) was a decent, if
unremarkable Moses flick. It airs tonight on NBC, offering kids
something to watch instead of the rather grown up film over on ABC. 

	Speaking of which, if you love cancer as much as you love football,
the epic ABC male bonding sob story "Brian's Song" (7 PM) is remade
for a new generation, missing its actual 30 year anniversary by 2
days. Sean Maher and Mekhi Phifer take on the roles originally played
by James Caan & Billy Dee Williams. 

	The fan-teractive "My VH1 Awards" (7 PM) air with performances by
Mick Jagger, Creed, Sting, Nelly Furtado, Lenny Kravitz, Destiny's
Child and No Doubt, all of whom were specially selected so they could
perform on the show. 

	As previously mentioned on TVBarn 2, CBS "60 Minutes I" (7 PM)
tackles the legacy of Martin Luther King, racial profiling, and a
segment on (occasional) Broadway diva Barbara Cook.    
	As someone measured as having a rather large IQ in middle school, I
have a few problems with the whole nature of IQ. High intelligence in
my opinion isn't particularly how much you know, but how you process
information and what you can do with the information you have.
There's a difference after all between knowing ever line of dialogue
spoken on "The Simpsons," and knowing how to blow up a helicopter
using the MacGyver tools of a rubber band, foil from a candy bar
wrapper and a paper clip. Besides, most IQ testing assumes that the
public school system is standardized. That said, tonight on FOX's
"King of the Hill" (7:30ish after football), Peggy scores very high
on an IQ test ... on the Internet. But then, so does everybody else
in the family, and let's face it, the Hill family is not exactly the
Royal Tennenbaums. Instead of your IQ, you're better off using the
net to ask: What Horrible Affliction am I? <http:/
/shite.squirming.net/afflictiontest>

	TNN's "Fame for 15" (8 PM) presents the fleshtone tales of John
Wayne Bobbitt and Academy Awards streaker.

	Showtime is now running "Wonder Boys" (8 PM), a magnificent
overlooked film from 2000. Written by Curtis Hanson, (whom you know
for both "LA Confidential" and yes, the screenplay for Harry Potter),
its one of those rare complicated goofy adult movies that Michael
Douglas should be in more of. (Over say juvenile action dreck like
"Don't Say A Word.") Here's the Roger Ebert Review for it, if you
don't wish to just take my word for it : 
<http://www.suntimes.com/ebert/ebert_reviews/2000/05/051207.html> 

	I've always wanted to make fortune cookies, and actually tried it
about 6 months back. It's not an easy task, and when doing it at home
you'll probably A) burn your fingers and B) not be able to fold the
dough quick enough to get the fortunes in before the cookies harder.
None of this happens tonight on FOX's The Simpsons (8 PM), but Homer
does wind up writing cookie fortunes (since he is, after all the
safety inspector at a nuclear power plant) and the cookie's
misfortune leads to an Anna Nicole Smith-ish marriage for Mr. burns
to guest star/voice Julia Louis-Dreyfus. And yes, a Viagra-ish
substance is involved. 

	Confucius say "why you want watch Japanese Hard-core Pay Per View
Wrestling (8 PM, on In Demand services)? 

	Rick Schroeder is the Major stars of A&E's "The Lost Battalion," (8
PM) this week's unnecessary cable war film. Premise this time, a WWI
unit managed to come under attack from both German and US forces. 

	The Food Network is where Emeril belongs, and "Emeril's Happy Happy
Holidays" (8 PM) offers goose with port-wine gravy, baked onions
rice-nut stuffing, and mile-high parfait pie. MMMMMMM.

	"Call Me Claus" (8 PM) raises warning flags every few words into its
description. The made-for-TNT(!) Christmas movie(!) with music by
Garth Brooks(!) stars Whoopi Goldberg(!) in a combination rip-off of
"Miracle on 34th Street"(!), Bill Murray's "Scrooged"(!), and Tim
Allen's "The Santa Clause." I'll watch just about anything with
Whoppi in it, but will probably wait for the video release when it
hits stores in a week, so that I don't have to see the obnoxious
flashing bugs from TNT promoting the fact that even though you're
watching "Call Me Claus," you can probably tune in every 304 hours
for the next week and see "Call Me Claus." 

	When thinking of charity work, you don't automatically think of
FOX's "Malcolm in the Middle" (8:30), but tonight the boys manage to
turn forced charity work at a local church into a profitable scheme.

	And as awful on paper as "Claus" looks, the exact opposite can be
said of the CBS miniseries "Jack and the Beanstalk: The Real Story"
(9 PM). It's from the Jim Henson company, which was once incapable of
flops, some semi-talented B-level stars like Matthew Modine and
Vanessa Redgrave, and what could have been a decent adult comedy. But
this is the Can't Broadcast Satire network, and something aimed at
adults must be watered down to be "enjoyed" by the whole family, and
this effort looks like a lot more trouble than it's worth. 

	FOX's "X-Files: The Next Generation" (9 PM) takes on a particularly
evil foe tonight... Hmmmmmm ... could it be SATAN?

	Syd's number could be up on ABC's "Alias (9 PM), as a companywide
sweep for the mole lands her in the chair for an extensive lie
detector test. Of course, as a CIA and SD-6 super-agent, doesn't she
know how to lie her way (with controlled breathing) through such a
test?

	Lifetime presents a Very Special (but aren't they all) episode of
"Any Day Now" (10 PM) featuring Martin Luther King, Jr.'s daughter
Yolanda, with an episode touching on the MLK assassination. 

	Affleck and Damon created HBO's really real "Project Greenlight" (10
PM) attempting to help another aspiring filmmakers realize his dreams
(ALA the WB's "PopStars.") But just because you're helped into the
system doesn't mean it's still not going to be a war you can't win.

From: Sue Trowbridge  <trow@interbridge.com>
Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 4:32pm
Subject: Re: Remote Patrol: Sing, Sing a Song

On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, Tom wrote:

> 	Showtime is now running "Wonder Boys" (8 PM), a magnificent
> overlooked film from 2000. Written by Curtis Hanson, (whom you know
> for both "LA Confidential" and yes, the screenplay for Harry Potter),

Actually, Steve Kloves wrote the screenplays for both WB and HP.

WB is a great film, but don't miss the book by Michael Chabon!

--Sue T.

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 11:30am
Subject: Re: Remote Patrol: Sing, Sing a Song

>Actually, Steve Kloves wrote the screenplays for both WB and HP.
>WB is a great film, but don't miss the book by Michael Chabon!

Crap. It's been a long day already, thanks for the correction.


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From: Steve Rhodes  <srhodes@well.com>
Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 4:31pm
Subject: Re: Remote Patrol: Sing, Sing a Song

> 	Showtime is now running "Wonder Boys" (8 PM), a magnificent
> overlooked film from 2000. Written by Curtis Hanson, (whom you know
> for both "LA Confidential" and yes, the screenplay for Harry Potter),


 While I agree that Wonder Boys is great and overlooked, it was directed by
Curtis Hansen who also directed LA Confidential (and used to be a film
critic).

Steve Kloves wrote the screenplay for it and Harry Potter.  It was based on
the book by Michael Chabon who is currently writing the screenplay for his
Pulitzer Prize winning novel The Adventures of Kavalier and Clay (which is
one of the many books I have sitting on my shelf I need to read).

  I've actually been meaning to write something for the weblog on Chabon who
has an excellent website

http://home.earthlink.net/~mchabon/

 As a sneak preview, Chabon has a page on his three projects which
unforunately weren't picked up

http://home.earthlink.net/~mchabon/goldintro.html

 The most recent was a series called Telegraph Avenue set in Berkeley.  

  He has the pilot script of House of Gold up on that page (at least for now
since CBS owns it, but hopefully wouldn't be stupid enough to make him take
it down).

  Since my computer is crashing, I'll just send this nad write more on
Chabon later.

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 11:49am
Subject: Re: Remote Patrol: Sing, Sing a Song

>While I agree that Wonder Boys is great and overlooked, it was directed by
>Curtis Hansen who also directed LA Confidential (and used to be a film
>critic).

Bad mental squishing of facts on my part. 


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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 0:12pm
Subject: too late for the patrol : new The Man Shows....

READY FOR MORE? RAISE YOUR BEER MUGS, THE BOYS ARE BACK! ALL-NEW EPISODES OF 
"THE MAN SHOW" DEBUT SUNDAY, DECEMBER 2 AT 10:00 PM* ON COMEDY CENTRAL
Jimmy And Adam Web Chat On Monday, December 3 At 8:00 P.M. (ET) Only On 
comedycentral.com-- comedycentral.com To Launch Two New Games "Man Show Bar 
Dart Challenge" On Monday, November 26 And "The Man Show Female Translation 
Quiz" On Monday, December 10 
www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/themanshow/formenonly.jhtml

NEW YORK, November 26, 2001 -- With the holidays approaching, there couldn't 
be a better time for men to sit back and focus on the important things in 
life: beer, babes and debauchery! Prepare for more manly fun when Jimmy 
Kimmel and Adam Carolla return for beer guzzling, beautiful babes and 
masculine humor on all new episodes of "The Man Show" airing Sunday, December 
2 at 10:00 p.m. on COMEDY CENTRAL. 

"The Man Show" repeats Tuesdays at 12:30 a.m. following "Saturday Night Live" 
and Saturdays at 10:30 p.m. following "South Park."

The premiere episode, "Man Show Boy Sells Beer," features Jimmy and Adam 
sending Aaron, the "Man Show Boy," out on the street to set up a sidewalk 
beer stand to find out how many people feel comfortable buying beer, rather 
than lemonade, from a minor. In the "Wheel of Destiny" segment, contestants 
take their chances to get close to a Juggy or face the consequences. Also, 
Jimmy and Adam call Mistress Marley, the phone sex psychic, for some sexual 
and professional advice. 

Segments from other upcoming episodes include:

·The Wheel of Destiny - Adam West, the classic Batman, makes a special guest 
appearance and contestants spin the Wheel of Destiny.

·Topless in America - Adam uncovers the plight of topless women in America 
and the boys host a real man's fashion show.

·Mardi Gras - Jimmy and Adam head to New Orleans to explore Mardi Gras fun: 
beer, beads, Bourbon St. and to solve the mystery behind women lifting up 
their shirts for beads.

·Outdoor Show - In a salute to the wilderness, the guys go fishing with 
William "the Refrigerator" Perry, and the Juggies demonstrate outdoor safety 
tips.

Jimmy and Adam will do a live Web chat on comedycentral.com on Monday, 
December 3 at 8:00 p.m. (ET).

comedycentral.com's "The Man Show" will launch two new games on the site. On 
Monday, November 26, comedycentral.com introduces the "Man Show Bar Dart 
Challenge." The object of this game is to throw as many darts as possible in 
a specified time frame while drinking beer. With each new level, the players' 
aim and ability becomes increasingly hindered with blurred vision. As the 
game progresses, the bar's women patrons start to look "prettier" too. Users 
will also be able to challenge a friend via e-mail. The "Man Show Bar Dart 
Challenge" was designed by Forge Media for comedycentral.com.

On Monday, December 10, "The Man Show Female Translation Quiz" will launch on 
the site. Users are asked to take a quiz and select what they believe to be 
the manly response to a woman's question such as "Is she prettier than me?" 
and "Where are you going?" 



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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 0:19pm
Subject: Chris Wylde officially replaced on Comedy Central

COMEDY CENTRAL IMPORTS BRITISH SITCOM "BLACK BOOKS" INTO THE NETWORK'S LATE 
NIGHT PROGRAMMING BLOCK PREMIERING SUNDAY, DECEMBER 9 AT MIDNIGHT

NEW YORK, November 26, 2001 -- It's quirky, sophisticated and totally mad. 
It's British, baby! COMEDY CENTRAL has acquired the British sitcom, "Black 
Books," to air in the network's Late Night Programming Block. The show 
follows the intoxicating antics of the foul-tempered, wildly eccentric, 
alcoholic bookshop owner Bernard Black (Dylan Morna), his calm, faithful and 
long-haired assistant Manny Bianco (Bill Bailey) and his best friend Fran 
(Tamsin Greig). "Black Books" debuts on Sunday, December 9 at midnight 
following "Insomniac with Dave Attell."

"Black Books" repeats Wednesdays at 2:00 a.m. 

In the premiere episode titled "Cooking with Books," Black goes to extreme 
lengths to avoid doing his taxes, while Bianco becomes one with "The Little 
Book of Calm." 

"Black Books" features the daily challenges of the crabby and cynical Bernard 
Black who desperately tries not to run his bookshop called "Black Books." 
Black reluctantly hires Manny Bianco as an assistant to help get his store 
and his life in order. Fran, friend and owner of the Nifty Gifty shop, is 
just as crazy and sardonic as Black. Each episode features Black trying to 
hide from life, (specifically his bothersome customers) and his frenetic 
neighbor Fran by taking to the bottle. Black's attempts at avoidance are met 
without much success but with much alcoholic excess.



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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 3:23pm
Subject: Power of attorney dismissed

The Hollywood Reporter sez : 

'Power' out; 'Talk' silenced
Dec. 03, 2001

It was a case of out with the old and in with the new in the TV syndication 
sector as two high-profile strips were canceled and a new talk show was 
unveiled for next season. Freshman talk/relationship strip "Talk or Walk" and 
sophomore court show "Power of Attorney" were given the ax Friday, while 
Twentieth Television announced "The Rob Nelson Show" with clearances on the 
Fox O&Os, representing 46% of the country. Nelson came to public attention 
during the 1990s when he launched Lead or Leave, an advocacy group committed 
to protecting the rights of young Americans. Since then he has appeared on 
many television shows, including his own show "The Full Nelson" on Fox News 
Channel. 


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From: Darren Glass  <glassd@math.upenn.edu>
Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 9:16pm
Subject: ALIAS

Anyone else really annoyed by the little things going into the commercial
breaks of tonight's ALIAS, saying "coming up" and showing some clips.  One
of the time sit actually really ruined the next scenes for me.  The other
times I was just worried it would.

I'm enjoying the show quite a bit on the whole, though it seems pretty
clear where it's headed...

darren

From: Roger Winston  <rwinston@tde.com>
Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 9:45pm
Subject: Re: Remote Patrol: Sing, Sing a Song

At Sunday 12/2/2001 10:04 PM +0000, Tom wrote:

>That said, tonight on FOX's
>"King of the Hill" (7:30ish after football), Peggy scores very high
>on an IQ test ... on the Internet.

I don't know about the rest of the country, but here in Denver we got a 
rerun of the "Ass-less Hank" episode of KotH instead of this new one.  I 
assume the switch had something to do with football.  Simpsons and Malcolm 
were new.

Later.   --Rog

-- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 6:55pm
Subject: Re: Remote Patrol: Sing, Sing a Song

>> I don't know about the rest of the country, but here in Denver we got a 
> >rerun of the "Ass-less Hank" episode of KotH instead of this new one.  I 
> >assume the switch had something to do with football.  Simpsons and Malcolm 
> 
> >were new.

What can I say, they do what they want to. 


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From: Roy  <rcurrlin@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 0:59am
Subject: Re: Remote Patrol: Sing, Sing a Song

An NFL game went into overtime, causing fox to preempt KotH in the 
east and central...and since it's all about advertising and getting 
the commercials to clear the whole country, the episode gets 
preempted nationwide

--- In tvbarn2@y..., tomalhe@a... wrote:
> >> I don't know about the rest of the country, but here in Denver 
we got a 
> > >rerun of the "Ass-less Hank" episode of KotH instead of this new 
one.  I 
> > >assume the switch had something to do with football.  Simpsons 
and Malcolm 
> > 
> > >were new.
> 
> What can I say, they do what they want to. 
> 
> 
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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 8:38pm
Subject: Re: Re: Remote Patrol: Sing, Sing a Song

>Since it's all about advertising and getting the commercials 
>to clear the whole country, the episode gets > preempted nationwide

Like I said, they do what they want. After all, I wrote previews for fresh 
Alias & Practice on Emmy night.  

> 
> 



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From: Anthony Foglia  <afoglia@physics.ucsb.edu>
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 3:38am
Subject: Re: Sensual bodywork in NYC by man

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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Dec 2, 2001 10:50pm
Subject: Re: Sensual bodywork in NYC by man

>    I'm sure what our friend Eugene meant to say, was that this is a
>call for auditions for HBO's "Real Sex."  Right?  Because he wouldn't be
>spamming us, would he?

Does this spam have a Happy Ending?


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From: Tom  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 4:39am
Subject: Remote Patrol: And you can tell everybody, this is your review

It's the Packers Vs the Jaguars on ABC's "Monday Night Football." As usual I can't name any person on either team. 

	Cartoon Network presents a very special airing of "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" (7 PM) tonight tomorrow night, the night after that and still one more time on Thursday night. Just to keep it special and noncommercial.

	ABC Family's holiday special lineup includes the claymation story of Rudolph's son "Robbie the Reindeer in Hooves of Fire" (8 PM) from Aardman Studios (Wallace & Grommit, Chicken Run), and the musical toon' "'Twas the Night Before Christmas" with voices including Joel Grey and George Gobel. 

	The cast of "Third Watch" plays NBC's "Weakest Link" (8 PM). I still say it's whomever's booking these celebrity editions.

	The A&E "Biography" presents the really long life story of Buddy Holy (8 PM). And yes it's a full hour. 

	The Hook Lady ain't here no more on FOX's "Boston Public" (8 PM). Oh, the woman is still there, but someone gone done took her hook. Plus, proper illegal drug safety tips for students. What is this "Absolutely Fabulous?" 

	Sin is in but so is thin, as Patsy and Edina must must must improve their busts, embarking on a dieting spree on Comedy Central's new limited run of new eps of the show that actually is "Absolutely Fabulous" (9 PM). 

	Elton John performs "Live by Request" on A&E (9 PM) allowing all the millions of fans who vote by phone and Internet to believe that he's singing "Your Song" exclusively for them. Then again it may be all obscure album tracks and new material. (If you believe this, Elton has a a sequined Brooklyn Bridge hat to sell you.)

	A very special Monday night "Ed" (10 PM) on NBC explores allegations of racism in Stuckeyville... Hey wait? Does this mean there are black folk in Stuckeyville? And will we ever see them again?

	USA Network attempts late night once again, this time with Michael Davies (who may now be accused of neglecting WWTBAM this season). The result is "Smush" (11 PM) a cross between "Games Magazine" puzzles, the "Before & After" round on "Wheel of Fortune" and Rich Hall's old Sniglets bit. How did Michael Berger avoid hosting this?

From: Scott McGuire  <smcguire@mit.edu>
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 9:12am
Subject: Re: ALIAS

>Anyone else really annoyed by the little things going into the commercial
>breaks of tonight's ALIAS, saying "coming up" and showing some clips.  One
>of the time sit actually really ruined the next scenes for me.  The other
>times I was just worried it would.

Yes, I was pretty irritated by those as well, for the same reasons.

I wondered what the point was supposed to be... I guess they're 
trying to prevent the audience from tuning away to another show?  (Do 
the ratings show that ALAIS has a problem of people leaving after 
commercial breaks, and that's why they've started doing this now?) 
I'm not sure these would solve that.  Ugh.

--Scott McGuire / smcguire@m...

From: Scott McGuire  <smcguire@mit.edu>
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 9:12am
Subject: Re: ALIAS

At 10:16 PM -0500 12/2/01, Darren Glass wrote:
>Anyone else really annoyed by the little things going into the commercial
>breaks of tonight's ALIAS, saying "coming up" and showing some clips.  One
>of the time sit actually really ruined the next scenes for me.  The other
>times I was just worried it would.

Yes, I was pretty irritated by those as well, for the same reasons.

I wondered what the point was supposed to be... I guess they're 
trying to prevent the audience from tuning away to another show?  (Do 
the ratings show that ALIAS has a problem of people leaving after 
commercial breaks, and that's why they've started doing this now?) 
I'm not sure these would solve that.  Ugh.

--Scott McGuire / smcguire@m...

From: Keith Privett  <Keith@PRIVETT.COM>
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 10:39am
Subject: Run Sydney Run

Last time on tvbarn2...

> From: Darren Glass <glassd@m...>
> Subject: ALIAS

> Anyone else really annoyed by the little things going into the 
> commercial breaks of tonight's ALIAS, saying "coming up" and showing
> some clips. 

Seemed a bit desperate to me, but if it keeps Sydney on the case...
And no worse than Celebrity Millionaire pretty well giving away the hot
seat winners in the ad. ("DAG" nab it, I say for all "Mankind")

Also odd about Alias is how there's first the recap-the-premise
prologue, an entire first act.

The actual opening credits sequence shows up at :10-:15 or so, followed
by the first ad break. Last week the secondary credits, which are
supposed to unobstrusively superimpose over scenes, spead out to about
:23 or so, to avoid preceding the credits or action scenes.

In other words, Alias took longer from show top to end of front credits
than 99% of Blind Date eps have original material.
 


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From: jondelfin@aol.com
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 1:09pm
Subject: Re: ALIAS

It's not as if people who are watching the show really need to be 
convinced to keep watching....

Jon, ever the optimist

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Darren Glass <glassd@m...> wrote:
> 
> Anyone else really annoyed by the little things going into the 
commercial
> breaks of tonight's ALIAS, saying "coming up" and showing some 
clips.  One
> of the time sit actually really ruined the next scenes for me.  The 
other
> times I was just worried it would.
> 
> I'm enjoying the show quite a bit on the whole, though it seems 
pretty
> clear where it's headed...
> 
> darren

From: jondelfin@aol.com
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 1:12pm
Subject: Re: Remote Patrol: And you can tell everybody, this is your review

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Tom" <tomalhe@a...> wrote:
> 	A very special Monday night "Ed" (10 PM) on NBC explores 
allegations of racism in Stuckeyville... Hey wait? Does this mean 
there are black folk in Stuckeyville? And will we ever see them again?

...which will become a very ordinary "Ed" when they show it again on 
Wednesday.

From: Don Hosek  <don@dream-in-color.net>
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 1:27pm
Subject: black folks in Stuckeyville

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Tom" <tomalhe@a...> wrote:
> 	A very special Monday night "Ed" (10 PM) on NBC explores 
allegations of racism in Stuckeyville... Hey wait? Does this mean 
there are black folk in Stuckeyville? And will we ever see them again?

Well wasn't the beloved preacher at the church that Ed never goes to 
also black? 

I think the secret to Stuckeyville is to just put it in the same 
category of reality rules as Springfield.

-dh

From: Don Hosek  <don@dream-in-color.net>
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 1:39pm
Subject: Re: What's up with AMC?

Well after discovering Saturday night that AMC is interrupting the 
movies with commercials, I'm giving up on AMC. Commercials so you can 
run SILVER STREAK? Come on, I've only seen that movie SIX HUNDRED 
TIMES.

As for standards, I think it comes with running commercials. I get 
(commercial-free) IFC and Sundance on my basic cable complete with 
naked people and NFBSK language, and completely lacking in 
commercials.

-dh (although looking at IFC's "now playing", I find the description 
of the George Harrison-produced Mona Lisa as "suspense-comedy" a bit 
off the mark)

From: symposium1@aol.com
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 11:12am
Subject: Re: black folks in Stuckeyville

There was certainly an African-American male judge previously. Mike Hodge appeared in "The World of Possibility" and several other eps. Presumably, he's not the only minority in town.

http://www.what-a-character.com/cgi-bin/display.cgi?id=HodgeM

Stuckeyville, the most ideal and idyllic of small towns since Grover's Corners, riddled with racism? I'm sure it's just a friendly misunderstanding.

--Ann

In a message dated Mon, 3 Dec 2001  2:27:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Don Hosek" <don@d...> writes:

> --- In tvbarn2@y..., "Tom" <tomalhe@a...> wrote:
> >   A very special Monday night "Ed" (10 PM) on NBC explores 
> allegations of racism in Stuckeyville... Hey wait? Does this mean 
> there are black folk in Stuckeyville? And will we ever see them again?
> 
> Well wasn't the beloved preacher at the church that Ed never goes to 
> also black? 
> 
> I think the secret to Stuckeyville is to just put it in the same 
> category of reality rules as Springfield.
> 
> -dh
> 
> 
> 
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> 
>  
> 
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From: symposium1@aol.com
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 11:17am
Subject: Re: Speaking of "Ed"

IMDB sometimes freaks me out. Among the info for "Ed", I saw that Donol Logue was cast as the original Phil in the unaired CBS pilot, and Janeane Garafolo guested as Liz.  Just doesn't seem possible. I guess that's why it wasn't. It's like Carl Reiner as Rob Petrie.

--Ann

From: Michael Jones  <spikej555@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 4:34pm
Subject: Re: Sensual bodywork in NYC by man

I guess now is the time for me to plan my first trip to NY. 


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From: Pollak, Melissa  <mpollak@nsf.gov>
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 4:29pm
Subject: RE: black folks in Stuckeyville

Have you noticed how many black judges there are in prime time?  I think
there are also a lot on the soaps.  The percentage is probably way out of
proportion to their actual number in the judiciary.  In fact, I can't
remember the last time I saw a white judge on a show -- unless it was a
woman -- or unless it was a judge doing something he shouldn't have been
doing.  As we know, Hollywood has been under pressure to hire more
minorities, so I'm sure that's why we see so many black actors in that type
of role.

Melissa 

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	symposium1@a... [SMTP:symposium1@a...]
> Sent:	Monday, December 03, 2001 5:13 PM
> To:	tvbarn2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	Re: [tvbarn2] black folks in Stuckeyville
> 
> There was certainly an African-American male judge previously. Mike Hodge
> appeared in "The World of Possibility" and several other eps. Presumably,
> he's not the only minority in town.
> 
> http://www.what-a-character.com/cgi-bin/display.cgi?id=HodgeM
> 
> Stuckeyville, the most ideal and idyllic of small towns since Grover's
> Corners, riddled with racism? I'm sure it's just a friendly
> misunderstanding.
> 
> --Ann
> 
> In a message dated Mon, 3 Dec 2001  2:27:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Don
> Hosek" <don@d...> writes:
> 
> > --- In tvbarn2@y..., "Tom" <tomalhe@a...> wrote:
> > >   A very special Monday night "Ed" (10 PM) on NBC explores 
> > allegations of racism in Stuckeyville... Hey wait? Does this mean 
> > there are black folk in Stuckeyville? And will we ever see them again?
> > 
> > Well wasn't the beloved preacher at the church that Ed never goes to 
> > also black? 
> > 
> > I think the secret to Stuckeyville is to just put it in the same 
> > category of reality rules as Springfield.
> > 
> > -dh
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > Goodbye: tvbarn2-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From: Don Hosek  <don@dream-in-color.net>
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 5:35pm
Subject: Re: Speaking of "Ed"

--- In tvbarn2@y..., symposium1@a... wrote:
> IMDB sometimes freaks me out. Among the info for "Ed", I saw that 
Donol Logue was cast as the original Phil in the unaired CBS pilot, 
and Janeane Garafolo guested as Liz.  Just doesn't seem possible. I 
guess that's why it wasn't. It's like Carl Reiner as Rob Petrie.

Janeane Garofolo as Liz was the whole reason that I wanted to 
see "Ed". 

-dh (who'd pick Janeane over Uma Thurman any day)

From: Sue Trowbridge  <trow@interbridge.com>
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 5:55pm
Subject: TV Guide

OK, this is weird. My dad must have renewed my TV Guide subscription for
Xmas, because I received a "thank you" gift via UPS today. What was it? A
Norman Rockwell calendar with the TV Guide logo stamped on every page.
Does this make sense? I mean, I'd happily display a calendar with cool old
TV Guide covers from decades past. But Norman Rockwell?? The Thomas
Kinkade of his day? What a dumb idea.

No 24 this week because of the Billboard Music Awards :( However, I'd like
to present this Holiday Viewing Alert: rerunning several times this month
(including this Wednesday at 9 PM) on VH1 is A DIVA'S CHRISTMAS CAROL, the
remake of the Dickens tale starring Vanessa Williams as Ebony Scrooge.
Now, I tend to despise all Xmas programming (except, of course, for A
CHARLIE BROWN CHRISTMAS), but A DIVA'S CHRISTMAS CAROL is sooo funny and
entertaining that I simply must recommend it.

--Sue T.

From: Roger Winston  <rwinston@tde.com>
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 6:04pm
Subject: Ex-Theme

The first two X-Files episodes of the season seemed to have a new updated version of the theme song, and the opening credits had Mitch Pileggi listed as a regular.  Yet on last night's episode, it sounded like they reverted to the old theme and also left Mitch off.  I can understand leaving Mitch off, since he wasn't actually in the episode, but what's up with the theme?  Anyone else notice?  Did the old fans complain about the re-worked theme or something?

Maybe I'm just insane and I imagined it.  It's nice to have some place to go to bring up such trivial matters...

Some things never change: The episode didn't make sense (to me) and didn't resolve anything.

Later.    --Rog


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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 1:27pm
Subject: Re: Re: ALIAS

>It's not as if people who are watching the show 
>really need to be > convinced to keep watching....

Well, if you're watching "Alias" and it suddenly takes a plot twist to 
confusing fer ya, you might switch over to the WB's lineup. Should this be 
the case, you're probably not tuned into "Alias" in the foist place


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From: symposium1@aol.com
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 2:41pm
Subject: Re: black folks in Stuckeyville

In a message dated 12/3/01 17:32:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, mpollak@n... 
writes:


> Have you noticed how many black judges there are in prime time?  I think
> there are also a lot on the soaps.  The percentage is probably way out of
> proportion to their actual number in the judiciary.  In fact, I can't
> remember the last time I saw a white judge on a show -- unless it was a
> woman -- or unless it was a judge doing something he shouldn't have been
> doing.  As we know, Hollywood has been under pressure to hire more
> minorities, so I'm sure that's why we see so many black actors in that type
> of role.

I think that's a big part of it. There's also the fact that there *are* a lot 
of older black male (and female) actors who have wonderful faces and voices 
for the weighty role of judge. (The James Earl Jones type of voice.) The wise 
sort of persona -- doesn't always make for lead roles (we want our leads to 
be screwups, it seems...better story lines.)

Also, most legal shows are set in New York, Boston (thanks to Kelley) and 
L.A. Maybe that has something to do with it.

--Ann



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From: James Porteous  <porteous@interlog.com>
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 9:24pm
Subject: RE: black folks in Stuckeyville

And have you noticed how many black _women_ judges there are in prime time. 
I've always thought that having blacks in such roles was a sort of 
convenient shorthand; if you don't want to bother filling too many roles 
with blacks, give them fewer roles of "authority figures."

James

At 05:29 PM 03/12/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Have you noticed how many black judges there are in prime time?  I think
>there are also a lot on the soaps.  The percentage is probably way out of
>proportion to their actual number in the judiciary.  In fact, I can't
>remember the last time I saw a white judge on a show -- unless it was a
>woman -- or unless it was a judge doing something he shouldn't have been
>doing.  As we know, Hollywood has been under pressure to hire more
>minorities, so I'm sure that's why we see so many black actors in that type
>of role.
>
>Melissa



J a m e s P o r t e o u s
Toronto ON
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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 8:24pm
Subject: O Tannenbaum, O Tannenbaum

The Hollywood Reporter sez: 

Veteran TV exec Tannenbaum dies
Dec. 04, 2001

Thomas Tannenbaum, a television executive with Paramount, Universal and MGM, 
died Saturday of heart and liver failure at the Motion Picture and Television 
Fund hospital in Woodland Hills. He was 69. During his 40-year career, 
Tannenbaum supervised the production of such primetime hits as "Mannix," "The 
Odd Couple," "The Brady Bunch" and "Mission: Impossible" and helped develop 
"Kojak," "Fame," "Matlock" and "The Father Dowling Mysteries," among other 
series. "Tom Tannenbaum was one in a million," producer and former 
programming executive Fred Silverman said. "He was great packager, a great 
salesman and a great all-around television executive. He was also a very dear 
friend. I'll really miss him."


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From: HSWyman@AOL.COM
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2001 11:14pm
Subject: ANALYSIS: "TODAY", IN SEARCH OF THE PERFECT MORNING BLEND

ANALYSIS: IN SEARCH OF THE PERFECT MORNING BLEND
TODAY
MONDAYS-FRIDAYS, 7-10 AM (EST)
NBC

BY HARRISON WYMAN

       I have been reading the articles about the ratings slump on the 
"Today" show.  A couple of cases in recent mornings give a clue to the show's 
current problem.
    Over the years "Today" has been fortunate, even blessed, with people who 
are gifted at live television.  This applies behind the camera as well as in 
front of it.  The problem lies not with the current team in front of the 
camera, but the new team behind it.  "Today" has always been a mix of hard 
news and softer features, all the way back to the days of Dave Garroway.  The 
trick is to get the mix right to meet the current interests and tastes of the 
audience.  Since Jeff Zucker was promoted from executive producer of "Today" 
to run NBC's entertainment division, a new set of producers has been trying 
to find the right mix.  Two examples from recent mornings show they are still 
trying to find it.
    The death of former Beatle George Harrison was the first major event to 
put news as a result of the September 11attacks in second place in the lineup 
of network newscasts.  Harrison's death was announced overnight Friday 
morning, leading the last live half-hour of ABC's "World News Now," about 3 
a.m. EST.  "Today's" first half-hour is a commercial-free 22 minutes of hard 
news but one choice made it unable to do its best work. 
     The first half-hour included a summary of war news from Afghanistan, a 
segment on Harrison and an "exclusive" interview by Katie Couric with Lynne 
Cheney, wife of the Vice-president.  Harrison's death didn't take the lead 
over war news but there was nothing in the Cheney interview that could not 
have waited until the next half-hour or the second hour of "Today."  
    New York is filled with musicians, broadcasters, producers and concert 
promoters who worked with Harrison.  Two New Yorkers who spring to mind are 
pioneering WNEW-FM host Scott Muni and longtime concert producer Ron Delsner. 
 Such people would have added depth and great stories on what it was like to 
work on putting together a live event with a former Beatle.  But even if 
Muni, Delsner, or equals in stature and storytelling were available the 
Cheney interview took valuable air time.  The Cheney segment had obviously 
been planned and a place of prominence agreed on but planned segments have 
been bumped to later segments of "Today" before.
    On Monday morning, Israeli helicopter gunships struck Yasser Arafat's 
headquarters in Gaza in retaliation for a series of suicide bombings over the 
weekend.  The live footage of the attack was compelling television when I saw 
it first...on the 9 a.m. news of my local CBS affiliate.  When that station 
did not stay with coverage of the live airstrike, I went to "Today," where Al 
Roker was wrapping up an interview with a representative of the Sotheby's 
auction house.  I then switched to CNN and MSNBC, both of which had live 
coverage of the unfolding attack.  I never went back to "Today."
    Jeff Zucker's strength was that he seemed to have perfect pitch on how to 
mix substance and style within the context of three hours of live morning 
television, combining gut instinct and experience to make "Today" the 
undisputed leader in morning television and a major profit center for NBC.  
"Today" is still the leader but the margin of its lead has been reduced.  The 
current group of people producing "Today" have to be given time to find the 
mix.  The question for the top management of NBC News is will they be patient 
or panic?  This may be just a ratings dip that could be fixed by just letting 
a new team settle in and learn how to make their version of the perfect 
morning blend.

From: Doug Eastick  <EASTICK@MCD.ON.CA>
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 7:14am
Subject: Re: Sensual bodywork in NYC for couples

On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 yahoo29@m... wrote:
> Rates: $200, 1 hour, but we don\'t watch the time. 
> We are open: Monday-Saturday 12noon-9pm

Gee, lots of clock references for someone that doesn't watch the time.

That's the first spam I've seen in years that includes an address.  I dare
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From: Michael Jones  <spikej555@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 9:30am
Subject: Re: Sensual bodywork in NYC for couples

Disclaimer:  it's possible you might get charged $200 for a 45-50 minute massage,  since time isn't our thing. 


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> Rates: $200, 1 hour, but we don't watch the time. 


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  Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 5:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [tvbarn2] Sensual bodywork in NYC for couples


  On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 yahoo29@m... wrote:
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  Gee, lots of clock references for someone that doesn't watch the time.

  That's the first spam I've seen in years that includes an address.  I dare
  someone to go check it out.




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From: pmurray@bigfoot.com
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 0:06pm
Subject: it's a generation thing

Headline posted at TVBarn:
"MTV to do USO show with J-Lo, Bizkit, Carson"

My actual thought process:
1. Johnny Carson? Cool!!!
2. With MTV? Whaaaa?
3. Oh, hell.

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, "Carson" does not 
mean "Carson Daly" when you're 38. (Of course, I used to debate a 
friend in college who insisted that "Elvis" obviously meant "Elvis 
Costello.") Very few people should be identified by first name only.

Now, having vented, I'll go take my Geritol.

Paul Murray
http://www.paulmurray.net

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 7:45am
Subject: Re: it's a generation thing

>"MTV to do USO show with J-Lo, Bizkit, Carson"

Just because you're on hazardous duty, 
Don't mean you can't see some boot-ay!

Watching "Smush" at it's regular time last night (when fdid it become cool to 
impersonate Greg Proops?), I didnt get the channel switched after double 
Obertime and found myself watching much too much "Martin." 

I''d forgotten that every 2-3 words was wither "Baby," "Daaaaaaaamn!", or 
"yeeeaaaaaah."

But ain't nothing wrong with that, ah i'ght... I know axing for good 
grammar's a bitch.


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From: symposium1@aol.com
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 9:16am
Subject: Re: it's a generation thing

In a message dated Tue, 4 Dec 2001  1:36:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, pmurray@b... writes:

>(Of course, I used to debate a 
> friend in college who insisted that "Elvis" obviously meant "Elvis 
> Costello.") Very few people should be identified by first name only.

That's my standard test for whether one is a late boomer or an old Xer (being, like you, 38 and in the gap between the two):

"When I say I saw Elvis in concert, do you think Presley or Costello?"

--Ann

From: pmurray@bigfoot.com
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 3:09pm
Subject: Re: it's a generation thing

--- In tvbarn2@y..., symposium1@a... wrote:
> In a message dated Tue, 4 Dec 2001  1:36:51 PM Eastern Standard 
Time, pmurray@b... writes:
> 
> >(Of course, I used to debate a 
> > friend in college who insisted that "Elvis" obviously 
meant "Elvis 
> > Costello.") Very few people should be identified by first name 
only.
> 
> That's my standard test for whether one is a late boomer or an old 
Xer (being, like you, 38 and in the gap between the two):
> 
> "When I say I saw Elvis in concert, do you think Presley or 
Costello?"
> 
> --Ann

Works well, doesn't it?

That's sort of a good generational Rorshach test, and as always, 
answers will vary. I can say that with confidence because the friend 
I used to debate this with is the same age as me. :)

It might be fun to try and expand this test with more questions. Of 
course, someone has probably already done it.


Paul Murray
http://www.paulmurray.net

From: Tom  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 1:59pm
Subject: Remote Patrol: Please, please don't sue

A week after Coolio's hair was covered in millipedes and scorpions
(ewwww) In Style Magazine (like "People" only not about people) and
NBC (like people only android drones) present an hour of "Celebrities
at Home" (8 PM) AKA "Yawn Factor." Frankly, I hadn't really cared
what's in Melissa Joan Hart's sock drawers, the kitchen pantry where
Kelsey Grammer keeps his cocaine, and David Copperfield's walk in
closet. (Not in any way suggesting anything about his sexual
orientation. Please don't sue.)

	Or, you can always tune into CBS to see how her indentured servants
have decorated "Martha Stewart's Home for the Holidays" (8 PM).
Visiting her "home" tonight are Charolette Church, Miss Isabella
Rossellini, Francis Ford Coppola, William Shatner Rosie Perez, and
Mr. "JAG." 

	FOX's "Billboard Music Awards" (8 PM) are one of those amazing shows
where they never have to cut to the winners disappointed fellow
nominees, because they only invite the winners to show up. With no
actual voting involved, it's a sales award that fills two hours of
time on FOX and frequently is repeated as their New Year's Eve
"Countdown" when they're not blowing up a Vegas hotel at midnight. On
the surprise guest lineup / musical roster are Alicia Keys, Britney
Spears, *NSync, Shaggy, Tim McGraw, Incubus No Doubt, DMX, Jill
Scott, Janet Jackson, Mark McGrath, Pink, Nelly and naked bongo
playin' fool Matthew McConaughey. 

	"Greg" directs tonight's episode of ABC's "Dharma" (8 PM). A tale of
secrets and lies, of fish and poker chips.

	CBS' lame "Jack and The Beanstalk: The Real Story" (9 PM) ends. If
only they'd chopped it down to 2 hours.

	Shannen Doherty: time traveler. In the USA Original movie "Another
Day" (9 PM) ... well, by now you're hopefully moving on the next show
description anyway. 

	They're not reruns, they're special encore presentations of the
show's pilots. Well, okay, they're reruns. UPN's Roswell (9 PM),
NBC's Scrubs (9:30 PM).

	When I think of Gene Simmons I think rock 'n' roll historian. Of
course, I may have been dropped on my head as a child. The KISS
frontman, who in retrospect looks better in the makeup, hosts Court
TV's "Secret History of Rock 'n' Roll" (10 PM). Among tonight's
plaintiffs and defendants are Chuck Manson, Ronnie Spector, and
record exec Morris Levy, the subject of John Lennon's Rock 'n' Roll
album.

	If you've been avoiding MTV's "The Real World 10" (10 PM) and I
think this is the first time I've actually mentioned it, the network
has been sunning the whole season since noon, so you can see all the
fights between the gay character and the bitch and the drunken jerk
and the innocent bimbo and how they try to keep the spies trailing
them from getting the microfilm secretly hidden in their bikinis.

	AMC + CIA = Shhhh. "Into the Shadows: The CIA in Hollywood" (10 PM),
probably won't mention how they faked the moon landing or Ronald
Reagan's presidency, but since nobody's watching the once respected
AMC these days, it probably could.

From: Evan Stokley  <evanstok@freenet.fsu.edu>
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 4:22pm
Subject: Re: it's a generation thing

Don't feel bad.  That's what I thought too and I'm still sub-30 (if
only just barely).  Is Carson Daly really big enough to just be
"Carson"?



On Tue, 04 Dec 2001 18:06:22 -0000, you wrote:

>Headline posted at TVBarn:
>"MTV to do USO show with J-Lo, Bizkit, Carson"
>
>My actual thought process:
>1. Johnny Carson? Cool!!!
>2. With MTV? Whaaaa?
>3. Oh, hell.
>
>At the risk of pointing out the obvious, "Carson" does not 
>mean "Carson Daly" when you're 38. (Of course, I used to debate a 
>friend in college who insisted that "Elvis" obviously meant "Elvis 
>Costello.") Very few people should be identified by first name only.
>
>Now, having vented, I'll go take my Geritol.
>
>Paul Murray
>http://www.paulmurray.net
>
>
>
>TVBarn2: America's funniest TV chat room.
>Goodbye: tvbarn2-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
> 
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
>

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 4:22pm
Subject: RE: it's a generation thing

> Don't feel bad.  That's what I thought too and I'm still sub-30 (if
> only just barely).  Is Carson Daly really big enough to just be
> "Carson"?

As the author of the headline, I thought that it was justified in the
context of the headline.

Of course, afterwards I realized that "Daly" is only four keystrokes, while
"Carson" is six.  Perhaps I should have said "Daly."

Mark Jefrries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: pmurray@bigfoot.com
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 4:50pm
Subject: Re: it's a generation thing

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Jeffries, Mark" <mjeffries@k...> wrote:
> As the author of the headline, I thought that it was justified in 
the
> context of the headline.
> 
> Of course, afterwards I realized that "Daly" is only four 
keystrokes, while
> "Carson" is six.  Perhaps I should have said "Daly."

Wasn't trying to pick on you. :) I mean, I *did* ultimately figure 
out what you meant. It's just that I got excited about my first 
interpretation, then confused, then let down. Once the generational 
observation came to me, I thought I would share the experience to see 
if it happened to anyone else.

Now what would really be confusing is if MTV was to launch a new 
program with said individual and call it "The Daly Show."

Paul Murray
http://www.paulmurray.net

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 4:51pm
Subject: RE: Re: it's a generation thing

> Now what would really be confusing is if MTV was to launch a new 
> program with said individual and call it "The Daly Show."

Well, Carson Daly is hosting NBC's latest revamp of "Later," or, "Damn!
'SCTV' Reruns Are Off Again!"

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 5:01pm
Subject: RE: ANALYSIS: "TODAY", IN SEARCH OF THE PERFECT MORNING BLEND

>     The death of former Beatle George Harrison was the first 
> major event to 
> put news as a result of the September 11attacks in second 
> place in the lineup 
> of network newscasts.  Harrison's death was announced 
> overnight Friday 
> morning, leading the last live half-hour of ABC's "World News 
> Now," about 3 
> a.m. EST.  "Today's" first half-hour is a commercial-free 22 
> minutes of hard 
> news but one choice made it unable to do its best work. 
>      The first half-hour included a summary of war news from 
> Afghanistan, a 
> segment on Harrison and an "exclusive" interview by Katie 
> Couric with Lynne 
> Cheney, wife of the Vice-president.  Harrison's death didn't 
> take the lead 
> over war news but there was nothing in the Cheney interview 
> that could not 
> have waited until the next half-hour or the second hour of "Today."

But I can just hear whatever WWII types that are left and Gen-Xers in the
"Today" office considering Harrison just another rock star--not to mention
the Beltway types that network news shows seem to cater to the most (even
though the real wonks are probably watching "Washington Journal" on C-SPAN
or listening to "Morning Edition").

Also, there is probably the feeling that the 7 a.m. segment should be
sacrosanct hard news--and even if Katie's interview with Cheney was not
exactly breaking news, it was still more "hard news" than George Harrison's
death.  But on the other hand, when even the New York Times had Harrison on
the front page, more of the 7 a.m. segment should perhaps have been devoted
to Harrison.

Interestingly enough, in Chicago the Tribune had Harrison on the front page
on Friday, while the tabloid Sun-Times didn't.  I was in New York Saturday,
but considering that the News and the Post had Harrison splashed on the
front page (the News with a wraparound section with a "broadsheet" front
page), the Sun-Times probably did, as well.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: Steve Rhodes  <srhodes@well.com>
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 5:15pm
Subject: 60 Minutes II wednesday

WEDNESDAY ON 60 MINUTES II:

CHAOS IN KABUL -- Under five years of Taliban rule, Afghanistan was kept
very isolated. It was difficult for people to get out or for visitors,
particularly Americans to get in. Correspondent Dan Rather gives us a first-
hand look at how life in the countrys capital of Kabul has changed since the
Taliban.

THE TRAITOR -- In a startling new development in a still-controversial Cold
War espionage case, David Greenglass tells correspondent Bob Simon that he
lied on the witness stand about the role of his sister, Ethel Rosenberg, in
the spy ring that stole secrets of the atom bomb for the Soviet Union.

Greenglass testimony sent his sister and her husband, Julius Rosenberg, to
the electric chair in 1953 making them the only people the United States has
ever executed for espionage during peacetime. Bob Simon reports.

http://www.cbsnews.com/now/section/0,1636,3475-412,00.shtml

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 0:36pm
Subject: Re: Re: it's a generation thing

>Well, Carson Daly is hosting NBC's latest revamp of "Later," or, "Damn!
'>SCTV' Reruns Are Off Again!"

aka "Carson Nightly"


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From: Evan Stokley  <evanstok@freenet.fsu.edu>
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 4:28pm
Subject: Re: it's a generation thing

On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:22:51 -0600, you wrote:

>Of course, afterwards I realized that "Daly" is only four keystrokes, while
>"Carson" is six.  Perhaps I should have said "Daly."

Then I would have wondered why we were sending Tyne Daly over to
entertain the troops.  I mean, it's bad enough they're at war, there's
no point in making things worse for them.

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 0:50pm
Subject: Re: it's a generation thing

>"When I say I saw Elvis in concert, do you think Presley or Costello?"

I didn't know NYTimes movie reviewer Elvis Mitchell was back doing hit 
standup act


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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 0:50pm
Subject: FOXNEWS : The Life of O'Reilly

>But I wouldn't feel smug after reading in the previous article that the 
>self-proclaimed Fox News mantra is "be accurate, be fair, be American." 


Well, as always, Fox claims they're unbiased, because their slant tilts 
Republican.


As for smug quotes, there's always this one: "To announce that there must be 
no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, 
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally 
treasonable to the American public." ---Teddy Roosevelt.


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From: Keith Privett  <Keith@PRIVETT.COM>
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 7:06pm
Subject: for ourselves and our posterity (or is that posterior)

>    Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 21:09:44 -0000
>    From: pmurray@b...
> Subject: Re: it's a generation thing
> 
> --- In tvbarn2@y..., symposium1@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated Tue, 4 Dec 2001  1:36:51 PM Eastern Standard 
> Time, pmurray@b... writes:
> > 
> > >(Of course, I used to debate a 
> > > friend in college who insisted that "Elvis" obviously 
> meant "Elvis 
> > > Costello.") Very few people should be identified by first name 
> only.
> > 
> > That's my standard test for whether one is a late boomer or an old 
> Xer (being, like you, 38 and in the gap between the two):
> > 
> > "When I say I saw Elvis in concert, do you think Presley or 
> Costello?"
> > 
> > --Ann

A good triage - Ask them the preamble to the constitution.

Boomers and earlier - a decent recitation... with "of the United
States" or some story of attempting to learn it.

Gen Xers - sing it a la School House Rock, or at least leave out "of
the United States

Gen Yers - wonder why you'd even ask

--Keith (born 1968.. group 2)


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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 2:31pm
Subject: Re: for ourselves and our posterity (or is that posterior)

In a message dated 12/4/2001 6:07:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
Keith@P... writes:


> >Boomers and earlier - a decent recitation... with "of the United
> >States" or some story of attempting to learn it.
> 
> >Gen Xers - sing it a la School House Rock, or at least leave out "of
> >the United States

Wel, like, it is a slightly unnecessary prepositional phrase in retrospect.


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From: symposium1@aol.com
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 3:27pm
Subject: Re: for ourselves and our posterity (or is that posterior)

Yeah, I was excited to see that Subway stores were giving away little plastic 
Schoolhouse Rock accessories...till I learned they were more or less 
permanently out of the "I'm Just a Bill" ink stamper. Guess that tells you 
how I fared in your triage.

Conversations with a group of funny people around my age often degenerate 
into random toss-outs of old cartoons and live-action shows from our youth -- 
the common denominator for those of us who grew up without Ellis Island 
and/or the Depression in common. I don't run into too many people who 
remember "Here Comes the Grump," though, and to be honest, I barely do myself.

--Ann

In a message dated 12/4/01 20:10:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
Keith@P... writes:


> A good triage - Ask them the preamble to the constitution.
> 
> Boomers and earlier - a decent recitation... with "of the United
> States" or some story of attempting to learn it.
> 
> Gen Xers - sing it a la School House Rock, or at least leave out "of
> the United States
> 
> Gen Yers - wonder why you'd even ask
> 
> --Keith (born 1968.. group 2)


---------------------------------------------------------------
Ann Carrigan
Primate

Now, with opposable thumbs!



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From: Tom Roche  <troche@mindspring.com>
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 8:57pm
Subject: The Mouse That Roared

Two items for your viewin' and listenin' consideration...

I note that Bravo will run one of the great political satire films of all time Thursday --"The Mouse That Roared", featuring Peter Sellers starring in three roles simultaneously. It's just about his best early movie of all, after "The Party."
                    
He plays the prime minister of the tiny European country of Fenwick, who schemes to declare war against the United States, schemes to intentionally lose so to then comfortably collect vast sums of US foreign aid. Sellers also plays Fenwick's military field marshal; he doesnt know he's supposed to to lose the war against the US, he somehow emerges victorious. (This 1959 film predating the similarly-plotted "The Producers" by a few years of course.) 

Sellers also plays The Grand Duchess Of Fenwick, a confused royal dingbat. 

Thursday at 9 Eastern, recommended. (Repeats overnight, and again on December 18 & 31.



Also, Harry Shearer, on his Sunday radio show this past week, somehow obtained and played a tape of a bizarre conversation on an Afghanistan street corner between Geraldo Rivera and Dan Rather. Of course there's always the chance that its just Harry doing all the voices and sound effects himself, but you never know. See

http://kcrw.com/cgi-bin/ram_wrap.cgi?/ls/ls011202le_Show

and go 44 minutes into the hour, although the whole episode is great, including a nice G Harrison tribute.

Shearer has quietly done this public radio hour for free for nineteen years straight, it's pretty much essential listening each weekend in my view. It's available live at kcrw.com Sundays at 10AM PT. Only a few dozen stations outside California clear it, but those with webcast feeds various times Sunday can be found by searching LeShow at www.publicradiofan.com.

The most recent sixty (!) one-hour shows can be found at http://www.kcrw.org/cgi-bin/db/kcrw.pl?tmplt_type=program&show_code=ls


tom r  in  atl

From: PGage@AOL.COM
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 5:11pm
Subject: Brian's SongX

tomalhe@a... wrote...
>     Speaking of which, if you love cancer as much as you love football,
> the epic ABC male bonding sob story "Brian's Song" (7 PM) is remade
> for a new generation, missing its actual 30 year anniversary by 2
> days. Sean Maher and Mekhi Phifer take on the roles originally played
> by James Caan & Billy Dee Williams. 

PGage writes...
I didn't watch Sunday's version, could someone who did, or who is in the 
know, explain why they didn't just show the original?

(A male of a certain age who cried for the first time during a movie when 
Billy Dee asked us to love Brian Piccolo too)....






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From: Tom Roche  <troche@mindspring.com>
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 9:34pm
Subject: Re: it's a generation thing

The daily e-mail from "Nightline" Friday said this about their George Harrison half-hour tribute:

"Believe it or not,
tonight will be the first broadcast that we will have done since Sept.11th
that does not focus on some aspect of the war."

From: dhosek  <don@dream-in-color.net>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 10:56am
Subject: Re: The Mouse That Roared

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Tom Roche <troche@m...> wrote:

> I note that Bravo will run one of the great political satire films 
of all time Thursday --"The Mouse That Roared", featuring Peter 
Sellers starring in three roles simultaneously. It's just about his 
best early movie of all, after "The Party."

I don't know, I think I'd rate Dr Strangelove higher. Although Mouse 
and Strangelove do make a wizard double feature.
                     
> Shearer has quietly done this public radio hour for free for 
nineteen years straight, it's pretty much essential listening each 
weekend in my view. It's available live at kcrw.com Sundays at 10AM 
PT. Only a few dozen stations outside California clear it, but those 
with webcast feeds various times Sunday can be found by searching 
LeShow at www.publicradiofan.com.

This is definitely a must-listen. It's worth noting that it's NEVER 
rerun time on LeShow. He missed a couple of weeks in late 1992 which 
resulted in a couple KCRW staffers guest hosting (I forget whether it 
was a movie obligation or something else), but otherwise he's been in 
the studio weekly with a new show for, well, over a decade, at least.

-dh

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 11:05am
Subject: RE: Re: The Mouse That Roared

> --- In tvbarn2@y..., Tom Roche <troche@m...> wrote:
> 
> > I note that Bravo will run one of the great political satire films 
> of all time Thursday --"The Mouse That Roared", featuring Peter 
> Sellers starring in three roles simultaneously. It's just about his 
> best early movie of all, after "The Party."
> 
> I don't know, I think I'd rate Dr Strangelove higher. Although Mouse 
> and Strangelove do make a wizard double feature.

Of course, as Mr. Spoilsport I do need to point out that there will be
commercial breaks and editing for time, if perhaps not for content ("Bravo
believes in respecting the artist, but we're chopping this film to shreds
anyway").
                      
> > Shearer has quietly done this public radio hour for free for 
> nineteen years straight, it's pretty much essential listening each 
> weekend in my view. It's available live at kcrw.com Sundays at 10AM 
> PT. Only a few dozen stations outside California clear it, but those 
> with webcast feeds various times Sunday can be found by searching 
> LeShow at www.publicradiofan.com.

Also, you early adopters can hear "Le Show" on XM Satellite Radio's XM
Comedy channel.

In Chicago, we have to wait until 11 p.m. to hear Harry on WBEZ.  When he
returned to the NPR station from WGN (with music cut out to squeeze in
commercials), he was on at 5 p.m., after "All Things Considered."
Unfortunately, a bunch of senile elitists bitched and moaned to 'BEZ about
putting on "a disk jockey show" with "unacceptable music," so 'BEZ moved it
to late night.  However, I smile at the fact that Ira Glass' show now has
the post "ATC" slot on Sunday--he may not be a "disk jockey show," but he
also plays "unacceptable music"--and it's not just that Philip Glass piece
he has an obsession over.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: at8ax  <jondelfin@aol.com>
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 10:59pm
Subject: three things

1. Any lawyer-types out there watch "Ed" last night? How much of 
my disbelief do I have to suspend to accept the possibility that 
the teacher's civil trial could possibly have lasted three court 
days? (It's on again tomorrow, by the way.)

2. I'm devastated to be unable to listen to "Le Show" all this month, 
as I'm working out of town in a Harry-free city. Without having heard 
it, though, I'm guessing the Geraldo/Dan tape was Harry/Harry.

3. A generational separator: "Where were you when Kennedy was shot?" 
One group remembers that day in November, 1963. Another group 
remembers June, 1968. The rest cry out, "Teddy Kennedy was shot?"

Jon

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 1:16pm
Subject: Re: it's a generation thing

At 03:16 PM 12/4/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>That's my standard test for whether one is a late boomer or an old Xer 
>(being, like you, 38 and in the gap between the two):
>
>"When I say I saw Elvis in concert, do you think Presley or Costello?"

Of course, the fact it's an issue for ANY of us shows all of our ages.  I 
doubt there's many current viewers of MTV that could name more than 1 song 
from either Elvis.  Hell, most of them probably think Elvis Costello was an 
old comedian who did "Who's On First".  Although this does remind me of an 
Larraine Newman SNL character who panned Costello for "stealing Elvis 
Presley's first name, Lou Costello's last name and Buddy Holly's glasses".


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

"Aha!  You've just made the second biggest mistake!  The first is never get 
involved in a land war in Asia!"
      - Wallace Shawn, "The Princess Bride"

From: _Aschwartz  <schwartz@anythink.org>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 1:17pm
Subject: Re: three things

> 3. A generational separator: "Where were you when Kennedy was shot?" 
> One group remembers that day in November, 1963. Another group 
> remembers June, 1968. The rest cry out, "Teddy Kennedy was shot?"

wouldn't it be "wait, didn't his plane crash?"

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 1:19pm
Subject: RE: Re: it's a generation thing

At 04:51 PM 12/4/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>Well, Carson Daly is hosting NBC's latest revamp of "Later," or, "Damn!
>'SCTV' Reruns Are Off Again!"

Oh, that's okay.  SCTV needs the odd four week rest here and there.  Man, 
is that ever the best investment NBC ever made. ;-P


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

"Aha!  You've just made the second biggest mistake!  The first is never get 
involved in a land war in Asia!"
      - Wallace Shawn, "The Princess Bride"

From: pmurray63  <pmurray@bigfoot.com>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 1:34pm
Subject: Re: three things

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "at8ax" <jondelfin@a...> wrote:
> 3. A generational separator: "Where were you when Kennedy was 
shot?" 
> One group remembers that day in November, 1963. Another group 
> remembers June, 1968. The rest cry out, "Teddy Kennedy was shot?"

Another asks, "Who would bother to shoot an MTV veejay?"

Paul Murray
http://www.paulmurray.net

From: pmurray63  <pmurray@bigfoot.com>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 1:40pm
Subject: another one hears dead people

Did anyone read the Variety story about ABC tinkering with its Sunday 
night schedule (testing a timeslot switch of "The Practice" 
and "Alias"? Buried down near the bottom was this revolting 
development:

"In another bit of ABC scheduling news, the network has booked the 
potentially controversial special ``Contact With George Anderson'' 
for Tuesday, Dec. 18, at 8 p.m. The hourlong show will feature 
Anderson communicating with deceased people."

Are viewers REALLY this gullible? Can the syndicated John Edwards 
crap being doing well enough for a major network to imitate it? 
Arrrrrrgh.


Paul Murray
http://www.paulmurray.net

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 1:40pm
Subject: Re: Re: three things

At 07:34 PM 12/5/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>--- In tvbarn2@y..., "at8ax" <jondelfin@a...> wrote:
> > 3. A generational separator: "Where were you when Kennedy was
>shot?"
> > One group remembers that day in November, 1963. Another group
> > remembers June, 1968. The rest cry out, "Teddy Kennedy was shot?"
>
>Another asks, "Who would bother to shoot an MTV veejay?"

Oh, I don't know - I think most people who watched her were secretly hoping 
something like that would happen.


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

"Aha!  You've just made the second biggest mistake!  The first is never get 
involved in a land war in Asia!"
      - Wallace Shawn, "The Princess Bride"

From: spowers934  <spowers934@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 2:07pm
Subject: Re: Brian's SongX

> PGage writes...
> I didn't watch Sunday's version [of "Brian's Song"], could someone 
who did, or who is in the 
> know, explain why they didn't just show the original?
> 
> (A male of a certain age who cried for the first time during a 
movie when 
> Billy Dee asked us to love Brian Piccolo too)....
> 
I caught in, and I thought it was pretty decent. Sean Maher, who 
played Brian Piccolo, was probably the weakest link -- he's one of 
those generically handsome "Melrose Place"-type actors who doesn't 
have a lot of charisma. He and Mekhi Phifer didn't have the same 
chemistry that James Caan and Billy Dee Williams had, either. But the 
story is still moving, the wives made more of an impact, and the 
depiction of Brian's cancer was much more realistic than in the 
original.

As for why they didn't show the original:  let's face it -- a 30-year-
old TV-movie probably isn't going to get the same rating as a new 
production would. And the ratings for Sunday's showing were good for 
the "Wonderful World of Disney" slot.

From: tomalhe  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 4:13pm
Subject: RE!motE! Patrol: E!xcitE!mE!nt GalorE!

Possibly airing in the clutter of your local PBS Pledge Week could
be "Discovering the Real World of Harry Potter," with J. K. Rowling
just what she ripped off to create the most successful kids book
since the Bible, including in all likelihood, the Bible. (PBS, so
check local listings.)

	It turns out not everyone in the family of FOX's "Titus" (8 PM) is a
certified wacko. Christopher's sister (guest star Elizabeth Berkley)
is actually quite perfect, which is of course a problem. 

	If you've missed FOX's "The Tick" on Thursdays (a safe bet), you can
miss it again tonight (8:30 PM) in a special Wednesday episode (It
was actually preempted last week for a "Lord of the Rings"
infomercial). It's a couple's edition as Tick and his moth sidekick
Arthur meet the team of Fiery Blaze and Friendly Fire, Captain
Liberty gets a dog, and Arthur joins a disgruntled sidekicks support
group. Give it a shot, will ya? It's too damn good to be so damn
doomed. 		
	When you think of good-looking reporters babes that stars would die
to be interviewed by who just so happen to have famous movie director
beaus, you probably think of Diane Sawyer. Like, sure, what are you
nuts? Like we're so obviously talking about ex-model, ex "Wild On"
host, E! "news" reporter Jules Asner (whose supercool boyfriend is
Steven Soderbergh)! Tonight marks the like totally impressive debut
of the sophisticated (for E!) super deep interview double half hour
show "Revealed with Jules Asner" (8 PM). None of this "what kind of
tree are you" business, Jules is guaranteed to ask the tough
questions like "your skin is so creamy smooth, what's acting really
like?" "You were really great in 'Rat Race,' have you ever driven
your own car?" and "Your incredible courage to continue making $20
million dollars a movie in the wake of the World Trade Center Tragedy
is remarkable. Could your life, like get any more better?"
Considering her competitors in the field of hard-hitting celebrity
half hour interviews are Carson "Later" Daly and Martin Short's
Jimminy Glick, Jules is sure to make her own special beauty mark on
the face of the infotainment world. Up tonight, infomercials with
hunk-o-licious George Clooney, and the devastatingly marvel-o-citious
Julia Roberts, who just so happen to be in her boyfriend's remake of
"Oceans Eleven." 

	Dan Rather may not have actual news, but he is in Afghanistan! Woo.
CBS' "60 Minutes II" (8 PM) also has executed spy Ethel Rosenberg's
brother saying, he lied in his testimony 50 years ago. 'Lotta good
this does her now. 

	USA Network cashes in on patriotism with Mark Burnett's other
fight-against-the-elements show "Eco-Challenge," (9 PM) with a
special "Armed Forces" championship in the wilds of Alaska. USA! USA!
USA! Oh wait, they're all US teams. 

	On FOX's "The Bernie Mac Show" (9 PM), the kids interrupt his
football watchin.' Who wants a beatin? 

	With just three teams left battlin' for a million bucks in CBS' "The
Amazing Race" (9 PM) it's more exciting than ever, which doesn't say
much, does it?

	Barbra Wawa interviews the President on ABC's "20/20" (10 PM) White
House Christmas decorations are mentioned, a lot. Seriously.  

	CNN's Greenfield at Large (11 PM) looks at why the media is so darn
mockable with a killer comedy roundtable: comedian Larry Miller,
Daily Show Correspondent Mo Rocca, and (NO I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP)
Dave Barry.

From: dhosek  <don@dream-in-color.net>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 4:56pm
Subject: Re: The Mouse That Roared

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Jeffries, Mark" <mjeffries@k...> wrote:
> Unfortunately, a bunch of senile elitists bitched and moaned 
to 'BEZ about
> putting on "a disk jockey show" with "unacceptable music," so 'BEZ 
moved it
> to late night.  However, I smile at the fact that Ira Glass' show 

Ya, one of the things that I like is that when Harry plays a song, 
it's not edited for content. Or wasn't: I have a vague notion that 
while "Junkie girl" (or whatever the title of the song was) was 
played complete with all its language, I've heard something since 
that was edited.

But I've discovered a lot of cool music from Harry's show (not least 
of which is the music of his wife (Judith Owen)).

-dh

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 4:58pm
Subject: RE: Re: The Mouse That Roared

> --- In tvbarn2@y..., "Jeffries, Mark" <mjeffries@k...> wrote:
> > Unfortunately, a bunch of senile elitists bitched and moaned 
> to 'BEZ about
> > putting on "a disk jockey show" with "unacceptable music," so 'BEZ 
> moved it
> > to late night.  However, I smile at the fact that Ira Glass' show 
> 
> Ya, one of the things that I like is that when Harry plays a song, 
> it's not edited for content. Or wasn't: I have a vague notion that 
> while "Junkie girl" (or whatever the title of the song was) was 
> played complete with all its language, I've heard something since 
> that was edited.

What these people were complaining about was that Harry plays, in the words
of Rev. Lovejoy, "that rock and/or roll," not classical music, folk music or
what Garrison Kellior sings badly.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 5:08pm
Subject: RE: for ourselves and our posterity (or is that posteri or)

> Conversations with a group of funny people around my age 
> often degenerate 
> into random toss-outs of old cartoons and live-action shows 
> from our youth -- 
> the common denominator for those of us who grew up without 
> Ellis Island 
> and/or the Depression in common. I don't run into too many people who 
> remember "Here Comes the Grump," though, and to be honest, I 
> barely do myself.

Because it hasn't been rerun into the ground over the years the way a
certain show about a chicken Great Dane has.

Back when Sci-Fi had the morning "Animation Station" block, I believe "Here
Comes the Grump" was included along with the SF and Japanese anime shows--I
guess it fit the fantasy end of Sci-Fi's programming charter.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 5:13pm
Subject: RE: Re: The Mouse That Roared

At 04:58 PM 12/5/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>What these people were complaining about was that Harry plays, in the words
>of Rev. Lovejoy, "that rock and/or roll," not classical music, folk music or
>what Garrison Kellior sings badly.

Which makes it all the more puzzling that our local Kansas City NPR 
affiliate, KCUR, wouldn't run the show despite more than a few people 
having requested it.  On the weekends, the station currently runs World 
Cafe, some other music with rock and/or roll content and Cypress Avenue, a 
two hour program hosted by Bill Shapiro that is almost nothing but rock and 
it's roots.  Of course, they won't run Imagination Workshop, a fun series 
that's produced by the NPR station on the other side of the state line, 
KANU in Lawrence (about an hour away, tops).
Figuring out programming decisions at NPR or PBS affiliates is like trying 
to make a flow chart of Alyson LaPlaca's career - interesting, sometimes 
fascinating and ultimately pointless.


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

"Aha!  You've just made the second biggest mistake!  The first is never get 
involved in a land war in Asia!"
      - Wallace Shawn, "The Princess Bride"

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 0:23pm
Subject: Re: for ourselves and our posterity (or is that posteri or)

>Because it hasn't been rerun into the ground over the years the way a
>certain show about a chicken Great Dane has.

The trailer for the bomb that shall be Scooby Doo The Movie (playing as one 
of the 20 commercials in front of Harry Potter) is horrid.


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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 5:23pm
Subject: RE: Re: The Mouse That Roared

> At 04:58 PM 12/5/2001 -0600, you wrote:
> >What these people were complaining about was that Harry 
> plays, in the words
> >of Rev. Lovejoy, "that rock and/or roll," not classical 
> music, folk music or
> >what Garrison Kellior sings badly.
> 
> Which makes it all the more puzzling that our local Kansas City NPR 
> affiliate, KCUR, wouldn't run the show despite more than a few people 
> having requested it.  On the weekends, the station currently 
> runs World 
> Cafe, some other music with rock and/or roll content and 
> Cypress Avenue, a 
> two hour program hosted by Bill Shapiro that is almost 
> nothing but rock and 
> it's roots. 

And even more puzzling--they don't have to pay a penny for "Le Show"--KCRW
syndicates it without charging anything.  Which means that during a pledge
drive, "Le Show" is pure profit, unless Harry has tote bags or coffee mugs
or Judith's albums available for premiums.  A station that carries "Le Show"
only pays for the electricity for that hour, the guy who brings it up off
the satellite if they carry it live or the guy who tapes it off the
satellite and the guy who plays it back on the air--and in exchange gets an
hour of offbeat music and political satire.  Is that a deal or what?

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 5:29pm
Subject: Re: for ourselves and our posterity (or is that posteri or)

At 06:23 PM 12/5/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>The trailer for the bomb that shall be Scooby Doo The Movie (playing as one
>of the 20 commercials in front of Harry Potter) is horrid.

And just to give you an idea of how "good" the film that follows it is, the 
Scooby Doo trailer got the best response of the night, including the Star 
Wars trailer.


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

"Aha!  You've just made the second biggest mistake!  The first is never get 
involved in a land war in Asia!"
      - Wallace Shawn, "The Princess Bride"

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 1:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: The Mouse That Roared

>And even more puzzling--they don't have to pay a penny for "Le Show"--KCRW
>syndicates it without charging anything. Is that a deal or what?

Well, who wants programming that makes you think? Not SD Public radio, they 
pulled him after a whole month. Of course, they ran pledge breaks throughout 
the hour, and since he'd been on a whole three weeks... his fan base was 
likely up to about 7 people in the state. 


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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 1:36pm
Subject: War Stars (Re: for ourselves and our posterity (or is that posteri or)

>And just to give you an idea of how "good" the film that follows it is, the 
>Scooby Doo trailer got the best response of the night, including the Star 
>Wars trailer.

Well, that's because it was 4 minutes of Anakin and Princes Amadala hemmin 
and hawin cuz they gots the hots fer one a'nuther (worse than the teens on 
"Days of Our Lives". And one minute of superspeed edited phasers, sabers, and 
light speeders.

I think everyone hopes that this is an accurate portrait of the coming work.  
 


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From: dhosek  <don@dream-in-color.net>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 10:28am
Subject: LeShow (was Re: The Mouse That Roared)

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Jeffries, Mark" <mjeffries@k...> wrote:
> What these people were complaining about was that Harry plays, in 
the words
> of Rev. Lovejoy, "that rock and/or roll," not classical music, folk 
music or
> what Garrison Kellior sings badly.

Which is to their loss. It's very rare that you hear a song on LeShow 
that you'll hear on commercial radio. It reminds me of the glory days 
of AAA radio (think the pre-corporate days of WXRT in Chicago... 
Angelenos who heard the first year or so of KSCA), only even more 
adventurous.

And I'd be hard-pressed to classify much of it as "rock and/or roll" 
for that matter. Really it's just continuing the amazing musical 
tradition of Harry's home station KCRW (for non-Angelenos looking to 
check out some of the best music programming around, go to 
http://www.kcrw.org)

-dh

From: dhosek  <don@dream-in-color.net>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 10:32am
Subject: Re: The Mouse That Roared

--- In tvbarn2@y..., The KJB <osiris@i...> wrote:
> Which makes it all the more puzzling that our local Kansas City NPR 
> affiliate, KCUR, wouldn't run the show despite more than a few 
people 
> having requested it.  On the weekends, the station currently runs 
World 
> Cafe, some other music with rock and/or roll content and Cypress 
Avenue, a 
> two hour program hosted by Bill Shapiro that is almost nothing but 
rock and 
> it's roots.  

If the music doesn't drive them away, the satire usually does the 
trick.

That's why Al Gore invented the internet.*

* Yes, I know that it was a gross misquote and Gore never made any 
such claim.

-dh (who supports 2 NPR stations, neither of which is local. No point 
giving money to people who tape delay Whaddaya Know so they can put 
Wait Wait on live)

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 10:33am
Subject: RE: LeShow (was Re: The Mouse That Roared)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dhosek [mailto:don@d...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:28 AM
> To: tvbarn2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tvbarn2] LeShow (was Re: The Mouse That Roared)
> 
> 
> --- In tvbarn2@y..., "Jeffries, Mark" <mjeffries@k...> wrote:
> > What these people were complaining about was that Harry plays, in 
> the words
> > of Rev. Lovejoy, "that rock and/or roll," not classical music, folk 
> music or
> > what Garrison Kellior sings badly.
> 
> Which is to their loss. It's very rare that you hear a song on LeShow 
> that you'll hear on commercial radio. It reminds me of the glory days 
> of AAA radio (think the pre-corporate days of WXRT in Chicago... 
> Angelenos who heard the first year or so of KSCA), only even more 
> adventurous.

You're absolutely right, but there is an older component of public radio
listenership that only wants to hear what they want to hear and complains
about it and threatens to withhold pledges if they don't hear what they want
to hear.  They don't know the difference between Elvis Costello and Mariah
Carey--it's all "unacceptable music."  I've seen people on WNYC in New
York's boards who seem to have an absolute hatred of anyone under 55 and
anything that isn't ultra-pure.  These people bitch about Broadway musicals
and "Sesame Street," for Chrissakes.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: dhosek  <don@dream-in-color.net>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 10:33am
Subject: Re: The Mouse That Roared

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Jeffries, Mark" <mjeffries@k...> wrote:

> And even more puzzling--they don't have to pay a penny for "Le 
Show"--KCRW
> syndicates it without charging anything.  

Ok, it's official, Harry is my hero.

-dh

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 10:35am
Subject: RE: Re: The Mouse That Roared

> -dh (who supports 2 NPR stations, neither of which is local. No point 
> giving money to people who tape delay Whaddaya Know so they can put 
> Wait Wait on live)

And it isn't even live then--"Wait, Wait.." is taped Friday afternoon.  It
just goes on the satellite at 10 a.m. Chicago time.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: dhosek  <don@dream-in-color.net>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 10:38am
Subject: LeShow (was Re: The Mouse That Roared)

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Jeffries, Mark" <mjeffries@k...> wrote:

> You're absolutely right, but there is an older component of public 
radio
> listenership that only wants to hear what they want to hear and 
complains
> about it and threatens to withhold pledges if they don't hear what 
they want
> to hear.  They don't know the difference between Elvis Costello and 
Mariah
> Carey--it's all "unacceptable music."  I've seen people on WNYC in 
New
> York's boards who seem to have an absolute hatred of anyone under 
55 and
> anything that isn't ultra-pure.  These people bitch about Broadway 
musicals
> and "Sesame Street," for Chrissakes.

Well, New York, jeeze, I remember being there to teach a workshop and 
discovering that there was not a SINGLE jazz station on the air. And 
they call themselves a city? At that time, L.A. had KLON and KPCC 
programming loads of jazz, plus a few bits in the mix on KCRW and an 
AM station that I never listened to, Chicago had much more music on 
WBEZ and also the DuPage station (WDCB?). 

-dh (now that I don't have a car, I listen to the radio much less)

From: dhosek  <don@dream-in-color.net>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 10:40am
Subject: Re: The Mouse That Roared

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Jeffries, Mark" <mjeffries@k...> wrote:
> > -dh (who supports 2 NPR stations, neither of which is local. No 
point 
> > giving money to people who tape delay Whaddaya Know so they can 
put 
> > Wait Wait on live)
> 
> And it isn't even live then--"Wait, Wait.." is taped Friday 
afternoon.  It
> just goes on the satellite at 10 a.m. Chicago time.

Well 'BEZ knows that if they move Whaddaya Know back into its God-
given time slot of 10a CT, they'll get the $100/year I give to WBUR. 
If they bring back Aaron Freeman, they can have the $365 that KCRW 
gets. I think that KCRW and WBUR are not terribly worried about 
losing my pledges.

-dh

From: Sue Trowbridge  <trow@interbridge.com>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 11:34am
Subject: Re: Re: The Mouse That Roared

On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, dhosek wrote:

> -dh (who supports 2 NPR stations, neither of which is local. No point 
> giving money to people who tape delay Whaddaya Know so they can put 
> Wait Wait on live)

Not that I want to start a Wait Wait vs. Whaddaya Know fight here on
TVBarn, but I feel that I need to state here for the record that WW is my
favorite public radio show (and I listen to a lot of 'em). WW rules!

--Sue T.

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 11:57am
Subject: RE: LeShow (was Re: The Mouse That Roared)

> Well, New York, jeeze, I remember being there to teach a workshop and 
> discovering that there was not a SINGLE jazz station on the air. And 
> they call themselves a city? At that time, L.A. had KLON and KPCC 
> programming loads of jazz, plus a few bits in the mix on KCRW and an 
> AM station that I never listened to, Chicago had much more music on 
> WBEZ and also the DuPage station (WDCB?). 

You couldn't get WBGO in Newark?  When I was in New York last weekend, I was
at a Jazz at Lincoln Center concert and 'BGO was all over the place,
including welcoming a group of 25 KLON listeners who flew in to see the
concert as a show of support to New York.  Granted, the stereo in my hotel
room passed them by, but they've been playing jazz for well over 20 years...

www.wbgo.org

They also produce the annual NPR New Year's Eve jazz live remotes and
Brantford Marsalis' "JazzSet" show.  They're also one of the few
full-fledged NPR members that doesn't carry either "Morning Edition" or "All
Things Considered"--during a pledge drive some years ago, the listeners who
pledged overwhelmingly said that they'd rather hear jazz in morning and
afternoon drive.  And as you can see, they have one helluva web site.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...

From: at8ax  <jondelfin@aol.com>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 1:22pm
Subject: Re: The Mouse That Roared

Just one more thing, said Lt. Columbo... KCRW simulcasts on the Web. 
And there's a surprising amount of computer work I can find to do at 
10 a.m. PT on many Sundays.

Jon

From: at8ax  <jondelfin@aol.com>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 1:25pm
Subject: LeShow (was Re: The Mouse That Roared)

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "dhosek" <don@d...> wrote:> Well, New York, 
jeeze, I remember being there to teach a workshop and 
> discovering that there was not a SINGLE jazz station on the air.

I guess you never found WBGO at 88.3. (There's also a lite jazz 
station, but we needn't mention them.)

From: dhosek  <don@dream-in-color.net>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 2:46pm
Subject: LeShow (was Re: The Mouse That Roared)

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Jeffries, Mark" <mjeffries@k...> wrote:
> > Well, New York, jeeze, I remember being there to teach a workshop 
and 
> > discovering that there was not a SINGLE jazz station on the air. 
And 
> > they call themselves a city? At that time, L.A. had KLON and KPCC 
> > programming loads of jazz, plus a few bits in the mix on KCRW and 
an 
> > AM station that I never listened to, Chicago had much more music 
on 
> > WBEZ and also the DuPage station (WDCB?). 
> 
> You couldn't get WBGO in Newark?  

Nope. Part of it may have been that I was on Long Island the whole 
time (or at least that part of the whole time that I was listening to 
the radio). I made do with whatever the NYC NPR affiliate was, but 
had a hard time adjusting to east coast scheduling of ATC.

Not to mention that Angelenos are spoiled when it comes to public 
radio: Where I lived at the time, I could get KCRW, KPCC and the San 
Bernardino NPR affiliate whose name escapes me, PLUS KUSC (classical 
music and APR programming), KLON (jazz, some NPR) & KPFK (Pacifica). 
Not to mention a host of low power student-run college stations. But 
that was back in the day when I would drive an hour or so each way to 
work instead of walking 20 minutes like I do now.

-dh

From: dhosek  <don@dream-in-color.net>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 2:49pm
Subject: Re: The Mouse That Roared

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "at8ax" <jondelfin@a...> wrote:
> Just one more thing, said Lt. Columbo... KCRW simulcasts on the 
Web. 
> And there's a surprising amount of computer work I can find to do 
at 
> 10 a.m. PT on many Sundays.

And Harry gets his shows on the archive reasonably quickly.

Also worth checking out is the (no TV connection as far as I know) 
Joe Frank show which follows LeShow immediately.

-dh

From: tomalhe  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 3:21pm
Subject: Remote Patrol: And the angel spoke

Last time on CBS' "Survivor," (8 PM) they voted someone off.
Tonight? They vote someone off. 

	Meanwhile over at the Peanutoo tribe, ABC presents "A Charlie Brown
Christmas" + a Whoopi Goldberg hosted "Making of A Charlie Brown
Christmas" (8 PM). It's sure to be a lu lu (lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu
lu lu lu.)

	On FOX's "Family Guy" (8 PM) Chris (voice of Seth Green), who loves
the hip hop, discovers his black roots. 

	On NBC's "Friends" (8 PM) Monica buys expensive boots, Phoebe tries
to get tickets to Sting, and Joey's quite possibly knocked up a
broad. High quality entertainment I tell ya. 

	On FOX's "The Tick" (8:30 PM) our hero seems to have been working
without (gasp!) a valid super hero license. And while they can be
obtained easily at the DMV, out obtuse lead doesn't know his date
of birth, his social security number or his real name. Hijinky
wackiness ensues.

	Patricia Cornwell reveals the identity of Jack The Ripper on ABC's
"PrimeTime Thursday" (10 PM). The great great grandfather of Mark
Fuhrman.  

	It's a special "Tonight Show" for lesbians and war hawks, as Jay
welcomes Norman "touch me there" Schwarzkopf and Melissa "Stormin"
Etheridge.

From: Oliver Willis  <owillis@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 5:01pm
Subject: Tivo on their 'Friends' inclusion

I'm a Tivo owner, and this was just in their online newsletter:

Whoa! Did you hear the pregnant pause of a mention of TiVo on Friends
recently?! Rachel was catching up with dad over dinner when TiVo popped up,
well... unexpectedly. In case you missed it, here's the dialogue that
concludes with a classic Phoebe "kicker"!

Rachel's Dad: So, sweetie, you were starting to tell me... what is new with
you?
Rachel: Ahhhhhhmmmmm... I got TiVo!
Rachel's Dad: What's TiVo?
Phoebe: [much to Rachel's chagrin] It's slang for pregnant!

For more celebrity sightings check out TiVo Buzz.
(http://www.tivo.com/flash.asp?page=entertain_index)

--
Oliver Willis
http://www.oliverwillis.com
Like Kryptonite to Stupid
owillis@y...


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From: Keith Privett  <Keith@PRIVETT.COM>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 6:23pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 486

>   Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 21:21:18 -0000
>   From: "tomalhe" <tomalhe@a...>
>Subject: Remote Patrol: And the angel spoke

>	Last time on CBS' "Survivor," (8 PM) they voted someone off.
>Tonight? They vote someone off. 

Aw Tom,

   You picked the one and only wrong week to use that joke. Last time
on Survivor, we saw a "clip show" (with a little bit of new
footage)recap of the first 21 days; no one was voted off. 

Keith. 

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Send your FREE holiday greetings online!
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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 6:04pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 486

>You picked the one and only wrong week to use that joke. Last time
>on Survivor, we saw a "clip show" (with a little bit of new
>footage)recap of the first 21 days; no one was voted off. 

I said, "last time" not last week. and actually last week several people were 
voted off. :)



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From: tomalhe  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Fri Dec 7, 2001 4:18pm
Subject: Remote Patrol: Red or Blue

Pearl Harbor buffs can get their fix all day long on The History
Channel, including "Save Our History: U.S.S. Arizona" (8 PM) a look
at the ship today and the race to prevent its leaking hull from
busting creating another Exxon Valdez-like disaster with over a
million gallons of oil covering the pacific.
	National Geographic Channel reruns its "Legacy of an Attack" (8 PM)
with the search for a missing Japanese sub. 
	Discovery Channel offers "Death of the Arizona," (8 PM) a
second-by-second examination of the its destruction.
	The Learning Channel has "Hell in the Pacific" (9 PM) with graphic
archival footage and interviews with both American and Japanese
veterans.


	ABC has no problems with it's Friday night schedule, as you can tell
by the recent return of "America's Funniest home Videos" (8 PM), and
a rerun "Bloopers" (9 PM) special tonight.

	If you haven't seen "The Matrix," by now, TNT's three night
"marathon" tonight, Saturday, and Sunday (each night at 8 PM)
probably isn't gonna do it either. 

	Cartoon Network presents "A Johnny Bravo Christmas" (8 PM) followed
by Bill Plympton's "12 Tiny Christmas Tales" (8:30 PM) for those who
like their Xmas cheer batter-fried, and really really really weird.
And you know me, bring it on mamma!

	CBS' "48 Hours" learns breaking up is hard to do 'specially for
conjoined "Siamese" twins. But since this is CBS, home of Survivor,
you know that this will be a meaningful heartfelt exploration of the
issue. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

	VH1, home of stuff, presents "Krush Groove" (10:00 PM) a killa flik
from the ol' school days of hip hopping with Kurtis Blow, Run-DMC,
New Edition and the Fat Boys gettin' down and funky with their bad
selves. 

	What the heck happened to the concept of "Disney" anyway? Tonight's
Disney Channel film has "Malcolm's" dad Bryan Cranston and his
14-year-old TV son carjacking Santa's sleigh in ''Twas the Night" (8
PM). 

	One of Newsradio's underrated assets, Khandi Alexander, guest stars
on NBC's "Law & Order: SVU," (10 PM) as a mentor of one of the unit's
officers who's been raped while responding to a crime.