From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 0:08pm
Subject: RE: The only people yet to notice 'Buffy' now are the E mmys.

> At 5:21 PM -0600 1/17/02, Jeffries, Mark wrote:
> >  > Of all of the places to find an article praising "Buffy 
> the Vampire
> >>  Slayer", I find this one from the American Prospect, a
> >>  liberal political
> >>  magazine.
> >
> >I'd be a helluva lot more surprised if National Review or 
> the American
> >Spectator did a favorable review of "Buffy."
> 
> See:
> 
> http://www.nationalreview.com/weekend/television/television-ro
senberger052601.shtml

Holy bleep!  The neo-cons really have taken over NR from Bill Buckley.

>   And since the Prospect is more
>of a Bill Clinton Democrat kind of mag, I'd be really shocked if the Nation

See:

http://past.thenation.com/issue/980406/0406katz.htm

Another holy bleep!  Next you'll tell me is that Adbusters had a favorable
article on "Buffy"--and they're the kings of KILL YOUR TELEVISION.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 0:11pm
Subject: RE: Oprah call Dave

> It was only a matter of time:
> 
> http://www.oprahcalldave.org/oprah/

The marquee on the Landmark Centry Cinema art-house multiplex in Chicago
also now bears the words OPRAH CALL DAVE, along with the regular shows and
times.  I don't know if it's under orders from Landmark management in LA or
if the manager in Chicago did it on his own.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: James South  <southj@execpc.com>
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 11:22am
Subject: RE: The only people yet to notice 'Buffy' now are the E mmys.

At 12:08 PM -0600 1/20/02, Jeffries, Mark wrote:
>  > http://www.nationalreview.com/weekend/television/television-ro
>senberger052601.shtml
>
>Holy bleep!  The neo-cons really have taken over NR from Bill Buckley.


Well, the NR also had a very favorable retrospective of Beavis and 
Butthead a few years ago. I'll confess that *that* was quite a shock.

Praising Buffy--not quite as big a shock. I always pleasantly 
surprised at the praise it receives form mainstream and middlebrow 
magazines.

James

From: Sue Trowbridge  <trow@interbridge.com>
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 2:09pm
Subject: RE: Oprah call Dave

On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Jeffries, Mark wrote:

> The marquee on the Landmark Centry Cinema art-house multiplex in Chicago
> also now bears the words OPRAH CALL DAVE, along with the regular shows and
> times.  I don't know if it's under orders from Landmark management in LA or
> if the manager in Chicago did it on his own.

I think the Landmark theaters are given some latitude on what they can put
on their marquees, since the ones here in the Berkeley area are often
fairly amusing. My all-time favorite: the Albany was showing a film called
JUNK MAIL, a Norwegian flick about a psychotic letter carrier. The marquee
read: A TRULY ILL POSTINO. Now that's a joke a foreign film buff can truly
appreciate.

Now if only some Dave fans could infiltrate the Oprah audience on Dr. Phil
day, and ask the tough-love doc for help: "My two favorite talk show hosts
aren't on speaking terms, and I...I just can't cope!"

Fave headline from today's TVBarn.com: "Angry mob turned away from 'Price
Is Right' taping."

--Sue T.

From: Sue Trowbridge  <trow@interbridge.com>
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 2:16pm
Subject: Re: Remote Patrol: Butch @ Sundance

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, tomalhe wrote:

> 	Why is Jack Black hosting NBC's "Saturday Night Live" (10:30)? Well,
> aside from the fact that America's new favorite exhibitionist will
> probably be as close to naked as the NBC censors will allow, Black is
> promoting the teen flick "Orange County" written by Mike White of
> FOX's  missing in action "Pasadena." Neo-punk band "The Strokes" are
> promoting their new album. 

In case ya' missed it: Jack Black was nowhere close to being naked; he
didn't mention ORANGE COUNTY; he sang a lot; and the Strokes didn't come
on until 12:30 AM.

It was a pretty funny show, all in all.

--Sue T.

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 2:29pm
Subject: RE: The demise of SportsNight -- was RE: Re: Once yanke d Ag ain

> 	So, I can't help thinking that for a show like 
> SportsNight -- one
> that didn't quite garner the audience it needed during its 
> the first season
> -- it would have had to at least maintain the quality of the 
> first season
> for it to build the audience it needed to stay on the air.  
> And, that just
> didn't happen.
> 
> 	And, I really think that's why the show failed.  I'm surprised
> others on this list don't detect a deterioration in quality 
> between the two
> seasons.

Could've it been because some people were so excited about the laugh track
being jettisoned in the second season that they didn't notice some other
things about the show (at least initially)?

And does anyone know the exact first episode with absolutely no laugh track
(I know that after the live audience was kicked out for the back 9 of the
first season, the laugh track seemed to come up on a irregular
basis--generally at the end of one of Dan and Casey's long
conversations--and Sorkin was keeping them long and fast so that the laugh
track couldn't interrupt).  Was it the second season premiere or was it a
few episodes in?

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: fjg2486@yahoo.com
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 3:03pm
Subject: SpongeBob Squarepants Marathon

Tomorrow on Nickelodeon they are going to air a SpongeBob Squarepants
Marathon with two never before seen episodes at 8 PM EST tomorrow night.
This show now has a Cult following to it. I became a fan of SpongeBob
Squarepants when I saw it when I was down the shore this past Summer
with my cousins. I can't wait until they come out on video, and DVD. I
would buy all of the tapes.

Frank J. Genovay III
Trenton, NJ

From: Steve Rhodes  <srhodes@well.com>
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 4:59pm
Subject: 60 minutes

SUNDAY ON 60 MINUTES:

WOMAN IN COMBAT  -- Lt. Col. Martha McSally, the highest-ranking female
fighter pilot, is suing the secretary of defense over a Muslim garment that
is mandatory off-base dress for military women in Saudi Arabia.  Lesley
Stahl reports. Martha McSally is from Warwick, RI; she graduated from USAF
Academy in Colorado Springs, CO; and she is currently stationed at David
Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, AZ.
 
MS. SWIFT  -- Politics in Massachusetts is tough for any governor, but
especially hard on Jane Swift, who is not only young and a woman, she has
recently given birth to twins.  Morley Safer reports.  
 
TORTURE  -- With many al Qaeda terrorists in custody, the use of torture may
be inevitable - some even think the law should sanction it. Mike Wallace
reports. Wallace also talks with Kenneth Roth, the executive director of
Human Rights Watch in New York and Lewis Schiliro, former New York Bureau
Director.   

 more at

http://www.cbsnews.com/now/section/0,1636,3415-412,00.shtml

From: tomalhe  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 6:21pm
Subject: Remote PAtrol : Chuck and Bucks

On Pay-Per-View, there's the "WWF Royal Rumble" (7:30 PM), with the
big guy people love vs. the big guy people hate. Possibly appearing
are The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Triple H, Kurt Angle and
Booker T. 

	Yeah yeah, the Golden Globs, yeah yeah NBC, (8 PM). Can we please
stop the ads of Liz Taylor and Tom Hanks making fools of themselves?

	Every student seems to be dating a professor on "Sex in the
Conservatory" AKA CBS' "The Education of Max Bickford" (8 PM). 

	MSNBC presents "Vietnam's Unseen War: Pictures from the Other Side"
(8 PM) with war photography from the POV of the North Vietnamese.

	Monty Pythoner Terry Jones delves into the Hidden History of Egypt
(9 PM) and Hidden History of the Roman Empire (10 PM) for the
Discovery Channel.  

	Former Texas Ranger Chuck Norris is back fighting evil in CBS' "The
President's Man: A Line In the Sand" (9 PM), an idiotic critic proof
"film" that may actually make "Nash Bridges" look like "A Beautiful
Mind."

	The other day I asked myself, "Self, is there anything you'd rather
have Quentin Tarantino doing than acting?" Well, self answered me and
said : "well, he could be helping produce other peoples films and
bringing foreign B-movies to the states, or even oh I don't know
WRITING ANOTHER DANG FILM." But no Mr. Tarantino is a brilliant
actor, why not have him guest star on ABC's "Alias" (9 PM)? Tonight's
the first of a two parter with one of the world's worst living actors
chewing up the scenery as a renegade SD-6 agent. And you know what
that means. THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING! 

	VH1's "Behind the Music (9 PM) takes on the cult phenomena of "The
Cult."

	Throb Throb Throb Tune in Throb Throb Throb Throb to Fox's Throb
Throb "THE CHAMBER" Throb Throb (9 PM) Throb Throb Throb to see Throb
Throb Throb Throb Throb Throb if host Rick Schwartz Throb Throb Throb
Throb Throb took time Throb Throb to shave Throb Throb.

	So you've met Chris Isaak's band on Showtime's "The Chris Isaak
Show" (10:45), now his Mom and brother get to play themselves, when
Chris heads home to Stockton, California for the unveiling of "Chris
Isaak Street." 
	
	PBS "The American Experience" (check local listings), looks at the
four tall rock stars, my neighbors "Mount Rushmore."

	If you missed the "Pop-Up Brady" over the summer on Nickelodeon,
they're running all popped episodes tonight in a "Pop Up Brady
Marathon" (9 PM) with more than anyone ever really wanted to know
about many of the episodes.

	Fire and firings are among the highlights of tonight's "Project
Greenlight" (9:30 PM) as Pete Jones loses a coproducer and manages to
screw up a pyrotechnic stunt twice. 

	Dueling grandmothers threaten to ruin Emmett's first birthday on
Lifetime's "Any Day Now" (10 PM).

From: davenportias  <DavenportIAS@netscape.net>
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 8:53pm
Subject: Re: The Chamber

Well, every new year I've always complained that there was never any 
indication that we are in the future; that there is no way to tell 
this year apart from the past. No monumental changes, no futuristic 
devices, no societial upheavals. Every year looks just about the same 
as the year that preceded it.

Wherefore are the flying cars? What happened to the hoverpacks? Why 
aren't there any Mars colonies? What happen to the apocalypse that 
was promised back on New Year's 2000?

Yes I was disappointed in that Y2K thing didn't shutter society. That 
following week I still wrote 1999 on my checks and correspondence. 
Now had I have to write the year by candlelight in my fortified Y2K 
bunker, I'm sure I would have remembered that it was 2000.

Well, I shall never levy such a complaint again. For tonight, the 
fictional "X-Files" program was jammed out by some real  creepy 
temporal disturbance that should go in the real X-Files. And if this 
show --they call it "The Chamber"-- is any evidence, the future is a 
horrible, horrible place where all the morals and ethics that we call 
society crumbled, and man fell back into his baser instincts.

What, I wonder, could have happened to our society to give rise to 
such a program. Guessing from the extreme endurance tests required of 
the show, I can only presume that Mother Nature herself turned 
against mankind. Was it caused by global warming? Nuclear war? I hope 
we don't find out too soon.

For now, I'm going to revel in that each year looks like the 
preceding one, and not like the dystopia to come.

----------
Seriously, wow. That's one disturbing show. I was sitting there 
slackjawed, unsure of what to make of it.
I switched channels twenty minutes ago, and I'm still not sure of 
what to make of it.

Wesley McGee http://thataintright.cjb.net

From: Ben Scripps  <bscripps@voyager.net>
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 10:26pm
Subject: Re: Re: The Chamber

davenportias said on [01/20/2002 21:53]

> What, I wonder, could have happened to our society to give rise to 
> such a program. Guessing from the extreme endurance tests required of 
> the show, I can only presume that Mother Nature herself turned 
> against mankind. Was it caused by global warming? Nuclear war? I hope 
> we don't find out too soon.

The ultimate demise of mankind will be caused not by such deliberate acts, 
but rather by the high levels of artery-cloggers caused by the consumption 
of the massive amounts of cheese loaded onto shows like this.  Ooh, he has 
to sign a release right there on the set!  Ooh, that guy's too stressed out-
-better SHUT DOWN THE CHAMBERRRRRR!!!!  Ooh, their primary concern is with 
the contestant's health, and certainly not with the ratings!  Three words 
come to mind--one is 'crock', one is 'of', and the other really isn't 
suitable for a nice mailing-list like this.

As for me, I'm still amazed by the woman who thought Nevada was one of the 
U.S. states that borders an ocean... 

--Ben

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 5:42pm
Subject: Re: Re: The Chamber

>Seriously, wow. That's one disturbing show. I was sitting there 
>slackjawed, unsure of what to make of it.

These were answers given during an actual 
("best" of three) qualification round tonight : 

Name any state in the U.S. that begins with the letter N : "New England" 
Name any Tom Cruise movie : "Kiss of the Vampire."
Give the first name of any of the last ten first ladies : "Bush."

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 7:23pm
Subject: Re: the webbys

>It is still possible to be nominated without entering.

Well, true, we do have several thousand readers who can all vote with 
TVBarn.com as a write-in to their television category.

From: Darren Glass  <glassd@math.upenn.edu>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 9:34am
Subject: more thoughts on Sports Night

I've always thought that Aaron Sorkin is really good at writing dialogue,
pretty godd at developing characters, but not so good at the long-term
storyline.  This is true on West Wing, and it was certainly true on Sports
Night.  He set up the whole Dana-Casey-Ted McGinley storyline, which I
thought played out quite well at teh end of the 1st season, but once Ted
McGinley was out of the way he had to come up with dumb reasons to keep
Dana and Casey apart.

I thought the second season had some really good storylines -- even if the
Jeremy/Natalie breakup didn't make much sense, I liked the ensuing Jeremy
dates a porn star story. (choreoanimator?)  And while the
Dan-and-a-therapist storyline didn't do so much for me, I thought the
Dan-Casey tensions around Passover were quite good.

I think the show had trouble finding an audience for several reasons --
some of whcih were ABC's fault, and some of which weren't.  I think that
if the show were to come on this season instead of in the dark-ages of
three years ago, that ABC would have a better idea how to market it, and
probably we never would have had the whole laugh-track debacle.  

Would the show have gone downhill? Likely...Sorkin clearly wanted to be
doing West Wing more, and I fear to think what would have happened had he
burned out by doing both...but I still would have liked to seen more of
it.

darren

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 5:40am
Subject: Re: more thoughts on Sports Night

>He set up the whole Dana-Casey-Ted McGinley storyline, which I
>thought played out quite well at teh end of the 1st season, but once Ted
>McGinley was out of the way he had to come up with dumb reasons to keep
>Dana and Casey apart.

Sorkin admitted to EW he made a mistake in the whole "date other people..." 
arc.

From: Doug Eastick  <wumba_man@yahoo.ca>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 11:15am
Subject: TVBARN2: Axiom #1

#1: At minimum, once every three months, a discussion thread will
evolve into a thread about "Sports Night".

Reference:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tvbarn2/messagesearch?query=sports%20night
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entries/58/a0555800.html

axiom  
SYLLABICATION: ax·i·om 
PRONUNCIATION:  ks-m 
NOUN: 1. A self-evident or universally recognized truth; a maxim: “It
is an economic axiom as old as the hills that goods and services can be
paid for only with goods and services” (Albert Jay Nock).
2. An established rule, principle, or law. 
3. A self-evident principle or one that is accepted as true without
proof as the basis for argument; a postulate.  



Note, I almost could have made that "monthly".



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From: aaronbarnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 0:45pm
Subject: Overheard on "PI"

I browse the "Politically Incorrect" transcripts because the show 
airs so late in Kansas City (12:35 a.m., on a 90-minute delay). 
Last Tuesday's show featured Al Franken, Linda Ellerbee, 
Cynthia Garrett and that guy who wrote the latest PC-is-bad 
book.

Overheard during the broadcast:

"Well, Attorney General John Ashcroft announced today that the 
American Taliban John Walker has been charged with 
conspiracy to kill U.S. nationals in Afghanistan. They're asking for 
life imprisonment for him. Which is ironic, because now Walker 
gets to be the virgin for 72 other guys." -- Maher

"Congressional investigators announced today an Enron 
investigator has warned in an e-mail to the CEO, Kenneth Lay, 
about "funny accounting practices that would implode in a wave 
of accounting scandals." And she went on to say that, pretty 
soon, a share of Enron stock will not be worth the piece of paper 
we're shredding." -- Maher, again

***

Anti-PC guy: When you see instances where, for instance, a 
picture in "The Washington Post" gets spiked because of black 
women dancing, because it suggests some kind of, you know, 
partying spirit --

Al Franken: Especially when it's a news story on black women 
dancing.

***

Franken on the Enron scandal: "I think the reason they're so 
worried about it, whether or not they did anything illegal in the 
Bush administration, which I kind of doubt, is that it just sort of 
resonates with the whole, 'they're for the fat cats.' Cheney, when 
he was putting his energy policy together, met I guess six times 
with Enron, 'cause their advice, you know, was so good. 
[Laughter] They're so smart at Enron. And he didn't meet with any 
environmentalists, 'cause their advice, of course, wouldn't be as 
smart."

***

Maher: "If there's one good thing that's gonna come from Bin 
Laden-ism is that I think maybe we're gonna wake up and 
realize, 'You know, we love oil, but we hate the people who are 
killing us more. And maybe we shouldn't be in business with 
Arabs that hate us, even when they pretend they don't.'"

From: symposium1@aol.com
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 8:44am
Subject: Golden Globe TV Actors

Okay, I almost can't *believe* there hasn't been any conversation here about the Globe winners yet.

I had flipped over just in time to see most of Charlie Sheen's speech. I almost choked...Charlie Sheen won Best Lead Actor in a TV Comedy??  Am I missing something? Granted, in the field -- while I love "Ed" and Tom Cavanagh in it, he's hardly ever shifted gears from his perpetually grinning mode; Kelsey Grammer, Eric McCormack, and Frankie Muniz round out the pack. I guess I'd have given it to McCormack, only because he has added a lot to his "Will" character as the show has progressed. The clip they showed later had him doing a Hannibal Lechter voice. 

Even with Kiefer Sutherland in "24," I was surprised. I had to think he was the dark horse for the honor, but though I *love* the show, I don't think Kiefer is the biggest reason. The plot and the ensemble make it work. I think I'd have bet on Gandolfini or Sheen if I were the betting sort.

The only person I was really pulling for was Emma Thompson for her role in "W;t", which I saw on video a few months ago and it impressed me quite a bit, even knowing most of her previous work. I guess they don't give direction GG's for a miniseries or TV movie but I'd have handed it to Mike Nichols, who was able to lift the play into the movie format and only make it richer.

And those are my thoughts -- other than that those cutaways with Dick Clark were annoying as heck! As soon as he posed the questions, he had to cut off the interviewees and turn it back to the show!

--Ann

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 1:55pm
Subject: RE: Golden Globe TV Actors

> Okay, I almost can't *believe* there hasn't been any 
> conversation here about the Globe winners yet.
> 
> I had flipped over just in time to see most of Charlie 
> Sheen's speech. I almost choked...Charlie Sheen won Best Lead 
> Actor in a TV Comedy??  Am I missing something?

Just remember one thing--in 1982, the "foreign press" gave a Golden Globe to
Pia Zadora as "Newcomer of the Year."  And things haven't really changed in
20 years.

Speaking of ass-kissers, I'd like to see Aaron do something on Shawn Edwards
of WDAF.  When you have one of the biggest quote whores in the business in
Kansas City, it just begs for a profile.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: Jon Delfin  <jondelfin@nyc.rr.com>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 2:00pm
Subject: Re: Golden Globe TV Actors

I didn't see much of the Globes, but enough to be very put off by Dick
Clark's quasi-newscaster factoids and teasers. Is he trying to add
gravitas to this fluff? Thought Ben Affleck was heavily sedated, or
maybe just doesn't like Harrison Ford. But then, it seemed like most of
the presenters I saw were stuck in neutral.

Jon

From: lazyinny2  <lazyinny2@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 2:52pm
Subject: Re: Golden Globe TV Actors

The Charlie Sheen win was astounding. I may get some flack for this, 
but I really think Matt LeBlanc was shafted for at least not getting 
a nomination. I know LeBlanc isn't exactly doing Shakespeare, but 
he's been great the last couple of years and is underrated in my 
opinion. I don't watch Ed so I won't comment on Tom Cavanaugh, you 
can't go wrong nominating Kelsey Grammer, and I have no problems with 
a nomination for Frankie Muniz. But the nods for Sheen and Eric 
McCormack were real head scratchers for me. I know McCormack is a 
regular nominee now but he is just so unfunny to me.

Anyway, the real highlight of the Golden Globes for me was seeing 
this exchange between Joan Rivers and Andie MacDowell on the E! 
preshow: (loosely translated)

JR: "Congratulations on all your success on CSI. It's such a great 
show."

AM: "What?"

JR: "Your hit show, CSI, it's great."

AM: "I'm not on CSI."

JR: "Oh, they told me you were on CSI. Whatever. It doesn't matter."

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Jon Delfin <jondelfin@n...> wrote:
> I didn't see much of the Globes, but enough to be very put off by 
Dick
> Clark's quasi-newscaster factoids and teasers. Is he trying to add
> gravitas to this fluff? Thought Ben Affleck was heavily sedated, or
> maybe just doesn't like Harrison Ford. But then, it seemed like 
most of
> the presenters I saw were stuck in neutral.
> 
> Jon

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 3:04pm
Subject: RE: Golden Globe TV Actors

At 01:55 PM 1/21/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Speaking of ass-kissers, I'd like to see Aaron do something on Shawn Edwards
>of WDAF.  When you have one of the biggest quote whores in the business in
>Kansas City, it just begs for a profile.

Hearne Christopher started one after USA Today ran a piece on quote whores, 
then got talked down by Edwards. It became a positive piece on the guy.  To 
be fair, I've known Shawn since he worked for the Pitch Weekly and he *is* 
a good guy.  The guy I talk to at press screenings and the like isn't 
anything like the horrendous quotes he supplies for the dregs of the film 
industry.


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 3:45pm
Subject: RE: Re: The Chamber

> The ultimate demise of mankind will be caused not by such 
> deliberate acts, 
> but rather by the high levels of artery-cloggers caused by 
> the consumption 
> of the massive amounts of cheese loaded onto shows like this. 
>  Ooh, he has 
> to sign a release right there on the set!  Ooh, that guy's 
> too stressed out-
> -better SHUT DOWN THE CHAMBERRRRRR!!!!  Ooh, their primary 
> concern is with 
> the contestant's health, and certainly not with the ratings!  
> Three words 
> come to mind--one is 'crock', one is 'of', and the other really isn't 
> suitable for a nice mailing-list like this.

Has anyone seen the overnights yet?  I assume that it didn't hold on to
"Malcolm"'s audience--or maybe hope is the word.

And if I pick up the Chicago Reader and see in the Brew & View ad (a movie
theater that serves booze and shows either films where the audience recites
the dialogue with the actors--if there is dialogue--or "Survivor" and
"Temptation Island" on giant-screen video Thursday nights) that they're
showing "The Chamber" on Friday nights instead of movies at 7 p.m., then
I'll have to admit that we're in trouble.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: symposium1@aol.com
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 11:03am
Subject: RE: Re: The Chamber

I haven't seen the nationals, but in my market (Jacksonville), though "The Chamber" didn't quite hold onto "Malcolm" ratings, it sure held the share -- which is way more than the plummeting "X-Files" have been doing here.

KING-HILL-FOX   8.4/12
SIMPSONS-FOX    8.3/12
MALCLM-MDL-FOX  8.2/11
CHMBR2SPCL-FOX  7.6/11

Those are really below-par numbers for the comedies, especially with the football lead-in.

Last week: Chamber 8-9p 8.0/11
X-FILES-FOX 9-10p 3.5/5

I should also mention that "Sex and the City" delivered 7's in our market last night. (We are, bafflingly, the 53rd market in population but about 15th for pay-cable penetration.) The Golden Globes on NBC: 13.5/19.

--Ann

In a message dated Mon, 21 Jan 2002  4:46:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Jeffries, Mark" <mjeffries@k...> writes:

> Has anyone seen the overnights yet?  I assume that it didn't hold on to
> "Malcolm"'s audience--or maybe hope is the word.

From: symposium1@aol.com
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 11:17am
Subject: Talk show "Lineups"

The lineups are my favorite Email of the week. I also enjoyed that rundown of who the biggest media whores were that week. So I had to see for myself.

And -- hey! There are only two names I don't know:

Denis Leary -- 4, Carson Daly-NBC, Conan-NBC, Leno-NBC, Rosie-Syn
Laura Prepon -- 3, Conan-NBC, Kilborn-CBS, Rosie-Syn
Annabeth Gish -- 2, Kilborn-CBS, Rosie-Syn
Anthony LaPaglia -- 2, Daily Show-CC, Rosie-Syn
Ben Chaplin -- 2, Conan-NBC, Rosie-Syn
Dr. Phil McGraw -- 2, Daily Show-CC, Leno-NBC
Gwyneth Paltrow -- 2, Letterman-CBS, SNL-NBC
India.Arie -- 2, Carson Daly-NBC, Rosie-Syn
Jason Schwartzman -- 2, Daily Show-CC, Letterman-CBS
Julie Bowen -- 2, Carson Daly-NBC, Letterman-CBS
Kate Winslet -- 2, Leno-NBC, Rosie-Syn
Michael Michele -- 2, Carson Daly-NBC, Kilborn-CBS
Michelle Pfeiffer -- 2, Leno-NBC, View-ABC
Tenacious D -- 2, Carson Daly-NBC, Kilborn-CBS
Jewel -- 2, Kilborn-CBS, Leno-NBC
Mitch Hedberg -- 2, Late Fri-NBC, Letterman-CBS

Everyone else, unless I screwed up, only appeared once.

--Ann

From: Pete Ahles  <ahles@gate.net>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 4:33pm
Subject: RE: Talk show "Lineups"

Dave and Kilborn are in reruns.  That throws your list off a bit.

Pete

From: symposium1@aol.com
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 11:33am
Subject: RE: Talk show "Lineups"

In a message dated Mon, 21 Jan 2002  5:31:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Pete Ahles" <ahles@g...> writes:

> Dave and Kilborn are in reruns.  That throws your list off a bit.

True, though I included them anyway. Exposure's exposure! (Though there's nothing like a repeat showing a star of "Amazing Race"...)

--Ann

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 4:55pm
Subject: RE: Re: Golden Globe TV Actors

> Anyway, the real highlight of the Golden Globes for me was seeing 
> this exchange between Joan Rivers and Andie MacDowell on the E! 
> preshow: (loosely translated)
> 
> JR: "Congratulations on all your success on CSI. It's such a great 
> show."
> 
> AM: "What?"
> 
> JR: "Your hit show, CSI, it's great."
> 
> AM: "I'm not on CSI."
> 
> JR: "Oh, they told me you were on CSI. Whatever. It doesn't matter."

The question is:  Why does E! fritter away what little credibility it has in
the business by continuing to use that old hag Rivers as a host on their
high-profile pre-shows?  I make jokes about their thick-haired,
large-breasted female hosts, but seems to me that Jules Asner at least knows
the difference between Andie McDowell and Marg Helgenberger.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a... 


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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 3:05pm
Subject: Re: Re: Golden Globe TV Actors

>The question is:  Why does E! fritter away what little credibility it has in
>the business by continuing to use that old hag Rivers as a host on their
>high-profile pre-shows?  I make jokes about their thick-haired,
>large-breasted female hosts, but seems to me that Jules Asner at least knows
>the difference between Andie McDowell and Marg Helgenberger.

Yes, but does anyone really know who Jules Asner is? (Overly dramatic Shatner 
pause) Does anyone really?

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 3:05pm
Subject: Re: Re: Golden Globe TV Actors

>The Charlie Sheen win was astounding. I may get some flack for this, 
>but I really think Matt LeBlanc was shafted for at least not getting 
>a nomination. 

Q. Why do you nominate Charlie Sheen (and have him win) for "Spin City?"

A. He'll show up and claim the award.

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 3:58pm
Subject: Tom Shales

When did Tom Shales officially turn into Roseanne anyay?

Last week's Electronic Media Column (paraphrased) : "I'm the most important 
television critic and everyone else should agree with me."

This week's Electronic Media Column (paraphrased) : "I can trash Kathie Lee 
Gifford any time I feel like it, but if you make fun of me I'm going to have 
my husband Tom Arnold key your car!!!"

From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 9:56pm
Subject: RE: Re: Golden Globe TV Actors

Joan should ask for a raise.  Katie Couric didn't realize Ben Bratt 
had left Law & Order (on her own network) two years ago, and we all 
know what SHE'S worth.


>>  Anyway, the real highlight of the Golden Globes for me was seeing
>>  this exchange between Joan Rivers and Andie MacDowell on the E!
>>  preshow: (loosely translated)
>>
>>  JR: "Congratulations on all your success on CSI. It's such a great
>>  show."
>>
>>  AM: "What?"
>>
>>  JR: "Your hit show, CSI, it's great."
>>
>>  AM: "I'm not on CSI."
>>
>>  JR: "Oh, they told me you were on CSI. Whatever. It doesn't matter."
>
>The question is:  Why does E! fritter away what little credibility it has in
>the business by continuing to use that old hag Rivers as a host on their
>high-profile pre-shows?  I make jokes about their thick-haired,
>large-breasted female hosts, but seems to me that Jules Asner at least knows
>the difference between Andie McDowell and Marg Helgenberger.
>
>Mark Jeffries
>mjeffries@k...
>mjsaints@a...
>
>
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From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 9:58pm
Subject: Re: Re: Golden Globe TV Actors

The larger question is why the Golden Globes even give out prizes in 
the television category. Documentary category, no, best cue card 
reader in a sitcom, yes.

The Globes, the Olympics, and NBC all deserve each other.


>>The Charlie Sheen win was astounding. I may get some flack for this,
>>but I really think Matt LeBlanc was shafted for at least not getting
>>a nomination.
>
>Q. Why do you nominate Charlie Sheen (and have him win) for "Spin City?"
>
>A. He'll show up and claim the award.
>
>
>
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From: aaronbarnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 10:21pm
Subject: Globes question

A reader writes:

"on the golden globes they showed an actress falling down 
some stairs and they had her on a gurney with her
neck braced. which actress was it?"

From: Steven Schroeder  <BagHead@concentric.net>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 10:34pm
Subject: Re: Ed/Tom Cavanagh/and more

> I don't watch Ed so I won't comment on Tom Cavanaugh

He mainly employs the grin-and-look-impish acting style, but I actually
quite enjoy him and the show (when it doesn't feature the jackass ex-State
dude Michael Ian Black or the most uber-awkward moments of Warren the
teenage, well, awkward guy).

If anybody in a comedy or quasi-comedy has been a real revelation for me,
it's been John C. McGinley in Scrubs.  I've always enjoyed his bad guy
character acting in movies, and his guest appearance on Frasier is one of
the all-time highlights of that series, but he is to me the emotional and
comedic center of Scrubs, a fine show.

Steven Schroeder
Darwin's Bulldog
<http://www.darwinsbulldog.com/>

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 0:08am
Subject: Re: Re: Golden Globe TV Actors

>The larger question is why the Golden Globes even give out prizes in 
>the television category. Documentary category, no, best cue card 
>reader in a sitcom, yes.

Same reason the AFI did. It fills time, and this way, Dick Clark doesn't have 
to invent his own Emmy ripoff.  (He's not doing the TV Guide Awards izzee?)

From: Pollak, Melissa  <mpollak@nsf.gov>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 9:30am
Subject: RE: Globes question

It wasn't an actress.  It was a fan who fell off the bleachers.  (Can't
remember where I heard this -- might have been the Sunday Today Show.)

Melissa

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> 
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> 
> "on the golden globes they showed an actress falling down 
> some stairs and they had her on a gurney with her
> neck braced. which actress was it?"
> 
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From: Pollak, Melissa  <mpollak@nsf.gov>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 9:51am
Subject: RE: Re: Golden Globe TV Actors

The problem with the Charlie Sheen win is that he may be a wonderful actor,
but how could anyone tell?  The material he has to work with on Spin City is
so lame that it's impossible to make any judgement about Sheen's abilities.
Actually, I guess I should say that if he had managed to rise above the
material, he should be commended for that.  (But he shouldn't be held
accountable for not being able to do what might be impossible.)  In order
for an actor to really shine in a role, he's got to get very good, if not
great, material to work with, and Spin City hasn't provided it since its
second (and only decent) season.

By the way, I agree with you about LeBlanc -- and for that matter, all the
other Friends.  There hasn't been a weak spot in that show since just after
the show began.  

The other nominees -- Grammer, Muniz, Cavanaugh, all have decent or great
material to work with, but of those guys, only Grammer and McCormack are
worthy of wins -- make their shows better because of the work they do as
actors.  In other words, I think McCormack does a highly commendable job
with the material he's given to work with.

Melissa

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	lazyinny2 [SMTP:lazyinny2@y...]
> Sent:	Monday, January 21, 2002 3:53 PM
> To:	tvbarn2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	[tvbarn2] Re: Golden Globe TV  Actors
> 
> The Charlie Sheen win was astounding. I may get some flack for this, 
> but I really think Matt LeBlanc was shafted for at least not getting 
> a nomination. I know LeBlanc isn't exactly doing Shakespeare, but 
> he's been great the last couple of years and is underrated in my 
> opinion. I don't watch Ed so I won't comment on Tom Cavanaugh, you 
> can't go wrong nominating Kelsey Grammer, and I have no problems with 
> a nomination for Frankie Muniz. But the nods for Sheen and Eric 
> McCormack were real head scratchers for me. I know McCormack is a 
> regular nominee now but he is just so unfunny to me.
> 
> Anyway, the real highlight of the Golden Globes for me was seeing 
> this exchange between Joan Rivers and Andie MacDowell on the E! 
> preshow: (loosely translated)
> 
> JR: "Congratulations on all your success on CSI. It's such a great 
> show."
> 
> AM: "What?"
> 
> JR: "Your hit show, CSI, it's great."
> 
> AM: "I'm not on CSI."
> 
> JR: "Oh, they told me you were on CSI. Whatever. It doesn't matter."
> 
> --- In tvbarn2@y..., Jon Delfin <jondelfin@n...> wrote:
> > I didn't see much of the Globes, but enough to be very put off by 
> Dick
> > Clark's quasi-newscaster factoids and teasers. Is he trying to add
> > gravitas to this fluff? Thought Ben Affleck was heavily sedated, or
> > maybe just doesn't like Harrison Ford. But then, it seemed like 
> most of
> > the presenters I saw were stuck in neutral.
> > 
> > Jon
> 
> 
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From: calliaume  <calliaume@aol.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 10:05am
Subject: Re: Golden Globe TV Actors

--- In tvbarn2@y..., tomalhe@a... wrote:
> >The question is:  Why does E! fritter away what little credibility 
it has in
> >the business by continuing to use that old hag Rivers as a 
host on their
> >high-profile pre-shows?  I make jokes about their 
thick-haired,
> >large-breasted female hosts, but seems to me that Jules 
Asner at least knows
> >the difference between Andie McDowell and Marg 
Helgenberger.
> 
> Yes, but does anyone really know who Jules Asner is? (Overly 
dramatic Shatner 
> pause) Does anyone really?

Asner -- E! journalist of dubious credentials, formerly hosted E!'s 
Wild On series, posed for Maxim but since has indicated she 
regrets it.
Brooke Burke -- E! journalist of dubious credentials, currently 
hosts E!'s Wild On series, posted for Playboy and has given no 
indication she regrets it.
Rivers -- E! journalist of dubious credentials, formerly 
guest-hosted The Tonight Show and hosted her own shows on 
Fox and in syndication; has come down to this.  Posed for parody 
issue of Cosmopolitan (evening gown with bra strap showing), 
which I regret I remember.

I'm not sure Rivers has caught onto the notion she's treated by E! 
as somewhat of a joke; the network's attitude in general seems 
to be "what the hell, it's not rocket science or a war," which is fine 
with me as long as they don't have pretentions toward 
hard-hitting journalism.  It doesn't seem to me Entertainment 
Tonight and its syndie ilk have understood this notion.

-- Curt Alliaume

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 10:11am
Subject: RE: Re: Golden Globe TV Actors

> Asner -- E! journalist of dubious credentials, formerly hosted E!'s 
> Wild On series, posed for Maxim but since has indicated she 
> regrets it.
> Brooke Burke -- E! journalist of dubious credentials, currently 
> hosts E!'s Wild On series, posted for Playboy and has given no 
> indication she regrets it.

She was on "Baywatch."  She's not regretting the Playboy pictorial.

> Rivers -- E! journalist of dubious credentials, formerly 
> guest-hosted The Tonight Show and hosted her own shows on 
> Fox and in syndication; has come down to this.  Posed for parody 
> issue of Cosmopolitan (evening gown with bra strap showing), 
> which I regret I remember.

Not to mention her radio show on WOR in New York, which is nationally
syndicated (and could leave one to wonder how the once-distinguished WOR
could come to this--although the fact that Bob Grant's on their station
could be enough of an answer).

And I'm amazed that there are still some who are so publicity-starved that
they'll agree to torture by both Riverses--I thought that the goal of most
stars on awards show nights was that if they saw the E! logo looming in
front of them on the red carpet, they would turn the other way.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: aaronbarnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 11:02am
Subject: ESPN, NBA reach terms

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE January 22, 2002

ESPN, ABC AND NBA REACH SIX-YEAR AGREEMENT 
100-PLUS GAMES ANNUALLY ON ABC SPORTS, ESPN, ESPN2 
NBA FINALS ON ABC

ESPN, ABC and the National Basketball Association have 
finalized a six-year agreement beginning in 2002-03 to televise 
more than 100 regular- and post-season games per year, 
including the NBA Finals, on ABC Sports, ESPN and ESPN2.   
The ESPN and ABC announcement was made today by ESPN 
President George Bodenheimer and ABC Television President 
Steve Bornstein. The agreement also features distribution rights 
for related NBA programming and content on numerous ESPN 
and ABC outlets and extensions of several existing agreements.

The wide-ranging agreement provides for coverage on multiple 
television networks (ABC, ABC Family, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN 
Classic, ESPNEWS), ESPN Radio and ESPN.com, as well as 
opportunities involving emerging technologies such as video on 
demand, interactive TV, broadband and video game 
development.

The ABC Television Network will broadcast as many as 15 
regular-season games beginning on Christmas and continuing 
on Sunday afternoons starting late January/early February.  The 
post-season schedule on ABC will include up to 12 games, 
including the entire best-of-seven NBA Finals. All of ABC's 
telecasts will have time period and broadcast exclusivity.  The 
recently acquired ABC Family service will also televise 
post-game shows after each NBA Finals game aired on ABC, 
several NBA specials and encore presentations of NBA Inside 
Stuff, an entertaining weekly look behind-the-scenes of the NBA, 
which will be aired on ABC Saturday mornings.

ESPN and ESPN2 will televise 75 regular-season games - 
primarily on Wednesday and Friday nights and holidays, 
including many Friday doubleheaders.  ESPN will also televise 
up to 24 playoff games, including up to seven exclusive telecasts 
of the conference finals.  On Tuesday nights throughout the 
season, ESPN2 will debut a weekly "whiparound" program 
featuring highlights of all current NBA action and cut-ins to live 
action that evening.

"This agreement goes to the strength of our company," Michael 
Eisner, Chairman of the Walt Disney Company, said.  "Disney is 
about delivering great programming through a wide range of 
platforms.  There is no question the NBA represents great, 
exciting, fast-paced competitive sports for over-the-air free 
broadcasting, for cable television, and for the Internet.  Whether 
the content is sports, entertainment or news, people across 
America and around the world look to us for the best."

Bodenheimer said: "For the first time in television history, one 
network, ESPN, will now feature all four major professional 
sports leagues. We're thrilled to expand our relationship with 
David Stern and the NBA, an outstanding media franchise. The 
scope of this deal offers tremendous opportunities to fully realize 
its value and ESPN's programming and promotional power will 
deliver unprecedented NBA coverage to our fans, affiliates and 
advertisers."

Bornstein said, "Adding the NBA gives ABC Sports a broadcast 
network sports schedule that is absolutely second to none.  I 
couldn't be more pleased for ABC Sports, for the television 
network, and for all of our viewers and affiliates across the 
country."

The NBA Finals join a long list of championships to be televised 
by ABC Sports and/or ESPN, including the Super Bowl, BCS 
Championship, Stanley Cup, World Cup Soccer, British Open, 
NCAA Women's Basketball Tournament, Little League World 
Series, U.S. and World Figure Skating, the IRL featuring the Indy 
500 and more.  The networks present the industry's most 
comprehensive college basketball and football schedules, as 
well as both primetime NFL packages, ABC's Monday Night 
Football - with more than 30 years as television's highest profile 
sports series - and ESPN's Sunday Night Football, basic cable's 
highest-rated series for 15 years.

In 2003, ABC Sports will carry the Super Bowl, the Stanley Cup 
Finals, the NBA Finals and the BCS Championship game.

ABC's coverage will feature:

*	Exclusive coverage of the NBA Finals among its up to 12 playoff 
games

*	A Sunday afternoon telecast the first five weeks of the playoffs

*	Up to 15 Sunday afternoon regular-season games

*	A Christmas Day doubleheader

*	Half-hour NBA pre-game show before every ABC telecast

*	Several specials on ABC Family, including post-game shows 
after each NBA Finals game

*	One hour NBA All-Star Saturday Special on All-Star Weekend

*	Original presentations of NBA Inside Stuff on Saturday 
mornings


The ESPN and ESPN2 NBA coverage will feature:

*	75 regular-season games  - primarily single games on 
Wednesdays and doubleheaders on Fridays

*	Extensive holiday game coverage on Christmas, New Year's 
Eve, New Year's Day and President's Day

*	Up to 24 playoff games on ESPN, including up to seven 
exclusive telecasts from one of the conference finals

*	No ESPN regular- or post-season blackouts

*	An ESPN2 studio "whiparound" program Tuesday nights; the 
one- to two-hour long program will feature live cut-ins to NBA 
games around the league

*	A five-hour NBA Draft telecast in prime-time on the Thursday 
following the NBA Finals, with a one-hour NBA Draft preview the 
night before

*	A special NBA Draft lottery show on ESPN, the first time the 
lottery will be presented as a stand-alone program, following an 
ABC Sunday afternoon telecast

*	Exclusive announcements, either on SportsCenter or in 
games, of many of the NBA's major awards

*	A new Friday night All-Star gala to be jointly produced by ESPN 
and the NBA

*	Extension of agreements for NBA 2Night and NBA-related 
programming as part of ESPN's SportsCentury series and ESPN 
Original Entertainment shows

*	Spanish language rights

The agreement also includes additional rights for numerous 
ESPN, Inc. entities and featuring new technologies:

*	ESPN and the NBA have reached separate agreements calling 
for extensions and expansions of the pre-existing agreements 
covering ESPN Radio, ESPN Classic, ESPN.com  and 
SportsTicker to coincide with the length of the TV agreement

*	The ESPN.com extension includes expanded video highlight 
rights featuring personalized, high-quality video clips for ESPN 
Broadband, ESPN's service which provides compelling original 
programming for cable modem users

*	Joint interactive TV initiatives including video highlights, 
real-time data (for both television and the Internet) and 
commerce opportunities for the sale of NBA, ESPN, ABC and 
Disney merchandise

*	Extension of current ESPN.com fantasy game initiatives to 
include distribution on multiple platforms, including wireless

*	Video on demand rights for time shifting of NBA games

*	An extension of the cross-promotional, cross-programming 
agreement between ESPN.com and NBA.com

Through prior agreements, ESPN already enjoys an extensive 
relationship with the NBA, including NBA game coverage on 
ESPN Radio and ESPN International, featuring the NBA Finals; 
NBA programming on ESPN Classic; WNBA game coverage on 
ESPN and ESPN2; ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPN.com coverage of 
the league's new National Basketball Development League; and 
non-game programming on news, magazine and ESPN Original 
Entertainment shows on ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPNEWS.  ESPN 
previously telecast NBA games for two seasons, 1982-83 and 
1983-84.

The addition of NBA games solidifies ESPN's position as the 
basketball network.  The ESPN/ESPN2 lineup includes more 
than 100 NBA games; 261 NCAA men's and 61 NCAA women's 
games, including exclusive coverage of the women's NCAA 
Tournament; 35 WNBA telecasts; up to 24 contests from the new 
NBDL; plus a variety of special events, including everything from 
high school all-star games to the Harlem Globetrotters to 
various events surrounding the NCAA men's Final Four.  In 
addition to event coverage, basketball fans find the best and 
most in-depth coverage of their favorite sport on SportsCenter, 
NBA 2Night, College Hoops Tonight and ESPNEWS. ESPN 
Regional Television is the country's largest syndicator of college 
basketball, and ESPN also presents extensive basketball 
coverage through ESPN.com, ESPN The Magazine, and 
SportsTicker.

The ESPN network currently reaches nearly 86 million homes 
and ESPN2 is seen in almost 83 million.  ABC Family is 
available to 84 million homes.

ABC Sports is continuing the tradition of excellence with the most 
comprehensive sports programming schedule on over-the-air 
broadcast television.

ESPN, Inc., The Worldwide Leader in Sports, is a multimedia 
sports entertainment company with over 40 business lines and 
entities.  Its world headquarters is located in Bristol, Conn. The 
Walt Disney Company has an 80 percent interest in ESPN with 
The Hearst Company owning 20%.

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 11:07am
Subject: RE: ESPN, NBA reach terms

> ESPN, ABC AND NBA REACH SIX-YEAR AGREEMENT 
> 100-PLUS GAMES ANNUALLY ON ABC SPORTS, ESPN, ESPN2 
> NBA FINALS ON ABC
> 
> ESPN, ABC and the National Basketball Association have 
> finalized a six-year agreement beginning in 2002-03 to televise 
> more than 100 regular- and post-season games per year, 
> including the NBA Finals, on ABC Sports, ESPN and ESPN2.   
> The ESPN and ABC announcement was made today by ESPN 
> President George Bodenheimer and ABC Television President 
> Steve Bornstein. The agreement also features distribution rights 
> for related NBA programming and content on numerous ESPN 
> and ABC outlets and extensions of several existing agreements.

This means that Turner is out of the NBA completely, correct?

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: Wesley McGee  <DavenportIAS@netscape.net>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 0:47pm
Subject: Re: ESPN, NBA reach terms

If Marketwatch is correct, TNT will still air the NBA doubleheaders and 
there is still that AOL Sports thing that will be part-owned by the NBA.

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B7A3D0E88%2D4C99%2D4A73%2DB28A%2D3C5DF6F7FA0A%7D&siteid=mktw

--Wesley McGee
http://thataintright.cjb.net

mjeffries@k... wrote:

>This means that Turner is out of the NBA completely, correct?
>
>Mark Jeffries
>mjeffries@k...
>mjsaints@a...
>

From: Wesley McGee  <DavenportIAS@netscape.net>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 0:51pm
Subject: Re: ESPN, NBA reach terms

I meant to say that TNT will still air the THURSDAY doubleheaders. I'm 
guessing the TBS network will be getting out of the NBA business completely.
--Wesley McGee

DavenportIAS@n... wrote:

>If Marketwatch is correct, TNT will still air the NBA doubleheaders and 
>there is still that AOL Sports thing that will be part-owned by the NBA.
>
>http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B7A3D0E88%2D4C99%2D4A73%2DB28A%2D3C5DF6F7FA0A%7D&siteid=mktw
>
>--Wesley McGee
>http://thataintright.cjb.net
>
>mjeffries@k... wrote:
>
>>This means that Turner is out of the NBA completely, correct?
>>
>>Mark Jeffries
>>mjeffries@k...
>>mjsaints@a...
>>

From: calliaume  <calliaume@aol.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 1:02pm
Subject: Summerall and Madden

NEW YORK (AP) -- Pat Summerall and John Madden won't be in 
the booth together next season, The Associated Press learned 
Tuesday. 

Summerall's announcement that he's leaving his longtime NFL 
broadcast partner after the Super Bowl was to come in a 
conference call with reporters Tuesday afternoon, two industry 
sources said on condition of anonymity. 

The sources said they did not know whether Summerall will 
remain at Fox with a new announcing partner. 



This may not be a bad thing for Fox.  Summerall is really getting 
up there -- he's got to be in his 70s.  (I believe he was planning 
on retiring a couple years back, but then backed off.)  Madden is 
in his 60s.  They are no longer at the top of the broadcasting 
heap, but Fox has been forced to put them on the "A" games 
because they're the big names.

My bet:  Summerall retires.  Madden is paired with a much 
younger broadcaster closer to Fox's desired demographic, and 
goes back to CBS within two years.

-- Curt Alliaume

From: Jason Snell  <jsnell@intertext.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 1:08pm
Subject: Re: Summerall and Madden

>My bet:  Summerall retires.  Madden is paired with a much
>younger broadcaster closer to Fox's desired demographic, and
>goes back to CBS within two years.

I think the moment Madden is available, he will be snapped up by 
Monday Night Football.

Speaking of which, has anybody heard if the Dennis Miller Experiment 
will be going for a third year?

-jason
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From: Steven Schroeder  <BagHead@concentric.net>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 1:33pm
Subject: Re: Summerall and Madden

I think the chances of Al Michaels working with John Madden over a full
season are about zero.  I haven't heard anything ironclad about Miller
returning, but the things I've heard have seemed to indicate he will.
Hopefully ABC will understand that announcers aren't why the ratings are
declining, and there's not an announcer in the world who will actually boost
MNF's ratings.

And Madden should retire yesterday.

Steven Schroeder
Darwin's Bulldog
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Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [tvbarn2] Summerall and Madden


> >My bet:  Summerall retires.  Madden is paired with a much
> >younger broadcaster closer to Fox's desired demographic, and
> >goes back to CBS within two years.
>
> I think the moment Madden is available, he will be snapped up by
> Monday Night Football.
>
> Speaking of which, has anybody heard if the Dennis Miller Experiment
> will be going for a third year?
>
> -jason
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From: Jason Snell  <jsnell@intertext.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 1:29pm
Subject: Re: Summerall and Madden

>I think the chances of Al Michaels working with John Madden over a full
>season are about zero.

Why? Personality conflict? Unwillingness to share the spotlight with 
another big name?

>And Madden should retire yesterday.

I've heard this from a few people, and I just don't get it. Madden's 
about as entertaining as he's ever been. And having listened to him 
on Bay Area radio stations for the past half-dozen years, I'd bet his 
take on things would actually be more broadly appealing to the MNF 
audience than Miller.

Speaking of Miller -- and I agree about the fact that announcers 
really can't have much impact on ratings -- I think he's really 
starting to stink. He's trying so hard to be a "real" football 
commentator, trying so hard to be Captain Crypto-Reference... just 
trying too hard, period. I was thrilled to hear he was going to be on 
MNF, but lately he's been a stinker. Memo to Miller: you're not Brent 
Jones or Ian Eagle or Jerry Glanville, you're DENNIS MILLER. Be 
yourself.

-jason

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From: Oliver Willis  <owillis@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 2:02pm
Subject: Re: Summerall and Madden

---- Original Message -----
From: Jason Snell

>And Madden should retire yesterday.

>I've heard this from a few people, and I just don't get it. Madden's
>about as entertaining as he's ever been. And having listened to him
>on Bay Area radio stations for the past half-dozen years, I'd bet his
>take on things would actually be more broadly appealing to the MNF
>audience than Miller.

While Madden appeals to more people the last few years have not been kind to
him and Summerall. Constantly misses plays, gets confused at obvious
movement, repeatedly identifies players correctly. I'm not saying the other
sportscasters are perfect, but Madden is waaay past his prime. Fox's top
team is probably Aikman/Johnston.

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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 1:59pm
Subject: RE: Summerall and Madden

> While Madden appeals to more people the last few years have 
> not been kind to
> him and Summerall. Constantly misses plays, gets confused at obvious
> movement, repeatedly identifies players correctly. I'm not 
> saying the other
> sportscasters are perfect, but Madden is waaay past his 
> prime. Fox's top
> team is probably Aikman/Johnston.

What about the three-man team headed by Dick Stockton?  It seems to me that
they're being groomed for the A team position at Fox.

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From: Steven Schroeder  <BagHead@concentric.net>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 2:09pm
Subject: Re: Summerall and Madden

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Snell" <jsnell@i...>
To: <tvbarn2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [tvbarn2] Summerall and Madden


> >I think the chances of Al Michaels working with John Madden over a full
> >season are about zero.
>
> Why? Personality conflict? Unwillingness to share the spotlight with
> another big name?

Both, but primarily the first.  Michaels doesn't seem to tolerate bluster
well, and that's Madden's specialty.  Sports Illustrated articles I've read
indicate Michaels is quite particular about who his partners are, which was
one of the big reasons Boomer Esiason got canned as fast as he did.

> >And Madden should retire yesterday.
>
> I've heard this from a few people, and I just don't get it. Madden's
> about as entertaining as he's ever been. And having listened to him
> on Bay Area radio stations for the past half-dozen years, I'd bet his
> take on things would actually be more broadly appealing to the MNF
> audience than Miller.

Broad appeal, possibly.  I'm not sure it would be lasting, however.  It's
the broadcast equivalent of trying to bring in Bill Parcells as your coach.

The problem I have with Madden is he uses the same talkative-drinking-buddy
approach he always has, but his perception of what's actually going on in
the game has declined radically since the early 90s, and his approach just
doesn't fly without the perceptiveness he used to bring.

> Speaking of Miller -- and I agree about the fact that announcers
> really can't have much impact on ratings -- I think he's really
> starting to stink. He's trying so hard to be a "real" football
> commentator, trying so hard to be Captain Crypto-Reference... just
> trying too hard, period. I was thrilled to hear he was going to be on
> MNF, but lately he's been a stinker. Memo to Miller: you're not Brent
> Jones or Ian Eagle or Jerry Glanville, you're DENNIS MILLER. Be
> yourself.

But Dennis Miller *is* Captain Crypto-Reference.  :-)

Steven Schroeder
Darwin's Bulldog
<http://www.darwinsbulldog.com/>

From: Oliver Willis  <owillis@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 2:05pm
Subject: Re: Summerall and Madden

that should be "repeatedly identifies players INcorrectly"

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [tvbarn2] Summerall and Madden


> ---- Original Message -----
> From: Jason Snell
>
> >And Madden should retire yesterday.
>
> >I've heard this from a few people, and I just don't get it. Madden's
> >about as entertaining as he's ever been. And having listened to him
> >on Bay Area radio stations for the past half-dozen years, I'd bet his
> >take on things would actually be more broadly appealing to the MNF
> >audience than Miller.
>
> While Madden appeals to more people the last few years have not been kind
to
> him and Summerall. Constantly misses plays, gets confused at obvious
> movement, repeatedly identifies players correctly. I'm not saying the
other
> sportscasters are perfect, but Madden is waaay past his prime. Fox's top
> team is probably Aikman/Johnston.
>
> --
> Oliver Willis
> http://www.oliverwillis.com
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From: calliaume  <calliaume@aol.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 3:03pm
Subject: Re: Summerall and Madden

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Jeffries, Mark" <mjeffries@k...> wrote:

> > Fox's top
> > team is probably Aikman/Johnston.
> 
> What about the three-man team headed by Dick Stockton?  It 
seems to me that
> they're being groomed for the A team position at Fox.

If I remember correctly, Stockton is the play-by-play guy on that 
team, with Johnston the #1 color guy and Aikman #1A.  I suspect 
Fox put Aikman in a three-man booth as a hedge against him 
either bombing out or unretiring; neither seems to have 
happened.  We've gotten these guys quite a few times for Bears 
games; they do just fine, and it would be nice to see Stockton 
(who's been around at least since the 1980s) move up to the A 
team.

Despite Madden's fame, this isn't good news for him, no matter 
what happens to Pat Summerall.  Whenever a long-established 
pairing breaks up, the color guy seems to fade away (a.k.a. 
Whatever Happened to Al Derogatis/Tom Brookshier/Merlin 
Olsen/Don Meredith/Bob Trumpy? Syndrome).

-- Curt Alliaume

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 3:50pm
Subject: RE: Tom Shales

>        When did Tom Shales officially turn into Roseanne anyay?
> 
> Last week's Electronic Media Column (paraphrased) : "I'm the 
> most important 
> television critic and everyone else should agree with me."
> 
> This week's Electronic Media Column (paraphrased) : "I can 
> trash Kathie Lee 
> Gifford any time I feel like it, but if you make fun of me 
> I'm going to have 
> my husband Tom Arnold key your car!!!"

This *is* a low blow, but he is getting to look more and more like Roseanne
with glasses...

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 3:58pm
Subject: RE: Re: Golden Globe TV Actors

> The larger question is why the Golden Globes even give out prizes in 
> the television category. Documentary category, no, best cue card 
> reader in a sitcom, yes.
> 
> The Globes, the Olympics, and NBC all deserve each other.

The reason, of course, is that they're primarily doing a television show.
In many ways, the Oscars is still more of a televised company awards banquet
than it is an actual television show, so they can get away with having
documentary categories.  With the Emmys, they can shunt the news doc awards
over to a non-televised ceremony and put the more mass appeal doc and
"reality" awards on the heavily edited show on E!.   The Globes and the
People's Choice Awards can get away with not having docs categories because
they're just TV shows and no one takes them seriously to begin with.

I'd forgotten--did the AFIs have documentary categories?

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: prodzz  <prodzz@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 4:33pm
Subject: Re: Tom Shales

I moved to the DC area in 1989 and started reading Shales in the 
Washington Post. Previously, I had lived in L.A. and was always a 
huge fan of Howard Rosenburg. I have always hated Shales. Not because 
he's mean, but because he's a terrible writer.  I remember a 
particular story from around '92 that was an almost masturbatory 
slobbering interview of Dana Delany, when she was doing "China 
Beach".  The City Paper in DC used to run a feature called "The Pot 
Calling the Kettle Black" (or was it "fat"?): in it they would quote 
the tubby Mr. Shales refering to the weight of various people, which 
he still does from time to time.  He's not Rosenburg, he's no Bill 
Carter, he's no David Zurawik, and he's no Aaron Barnhart.  He's a 
hack with no vision or writing skills.

From: _Aschwartz  <schwartz@anythink.org>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 4:42pm
Subject: Re: Tom Shales

i dunno, i love it when a critic finds something to really sink their 
teeth into. it's why i visit teevee.org, mightybigtv.com and read tom 
shales whenever something particularly treacly finds its way to the 
schedule. 

it's a lot like the joan rivers shows on E! (to combine threads), 
snark can be fun to watch. 


--- In tvbarn2@y..., "prodzz" <prodzz@y...> wrote:
> I moved to the DC area in 1989 and started reading Shales in the 
> Washington Post. Previously, I had lived in L.A. and was always a 
> huge fan of Howard Rosenburg. I have always hated Shales. Not 
because 
> he's mean, but because he's a terrible writer.  I remember a 
> particular story from around '92 that was an almost masturbatory 
> slobbering interview of Dana Delany, when she was doing "China 
> Beach".  The City Paper in DC used to run a feature called "The Pot 
> Calling the Kettle Black" (or was it "fat"?): in it they would quote 
> the tubby Mr. Shales refering to the weight of various people, which 
> he still does from time to time.  He's not Rosenburg, he's no Bill 
> Carter, he's no David Zurawik, and he's no Aaron Barnhart.  He's a 
> hack with no vision or writing skills.

From: Pollak, Melissa  <mpollak@nsf.gov>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 4:57pm
Subject: Chung switching networks -- again.

CNN reportedly hired Connie Chung to host an evening news program. The
news network is expected to hold a press conference Wednesday. 
   
 
CNN hires Connie Chung from ABC 
   
 
Anchor to host evening program; 
move ups stakes in cable news race
 
   

ASSOCIATED PRESS 
   
 
 
NEW YORK, Jan. 22 -  CNN has hired Connie Chung away from ABC News to be the
anchor of a nightly news show, ratcheting up the stakes in a heated
competition among cable news networks.

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 5:44pm
Subject: RE: Re: Golden Globe TV Actors

> >The larger question is why the Golden Globes even give out prizes in 
> >the television category. Documentary category, no, best cue card 
> >reader in a sitcom, yes.
> 
> Same reason the AFI did. It fills time, and this way, Dick 
> Clark doesn't have 
> to invent his own Emmy ripoff.  (He's not doing the TV Guide 
> Awards izzee?) 

I don't think so.

BTW, I thought that sitcom actors are expected to have their lines
memorized--they did when I saw "Alice" and "WKRP" back in '79 in LA.  Any of
you who've been to tapings/flimings as of late, you haven't seen cue cards
or Teleprompters, have you? 

Mark Jeffries
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From: calliaume  <calliaume@aol.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 5:49pm
Subject: Re: Chung switching networks -- again.

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Pollak, Melissa" <mpollak@n...> wrote:
>   CNN reportedly hired Connie Chung to host an evening news 
program. The
> news network is expected to hold a press conference 
Wednesday. 

CNN is clearly looking for a well-known personality to replace the 
retired Bernard Shaw.  Chung's not a bad choice, but she may 
be a polarizing one.  I don't know that conservatives have forgiven 
her for her 1995 interview with Newt Gingrich's mom, and CNN 
has enough trouble with its reputation for leaning left.  (As a 
one-time intern at the Washington bureau 18 years ago, I can 
say at that time, nobody thought at all about political spin there -- 
it was basically rip and read.)

If CNN can combine her talent for probing questions within a 
news format, it could help out.  But I don't think Bill O'Reilly is 
quaking in his boots.

-- Curt Alliaume

From: tomalhe  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 5:52pm
Subject: Remote Patrol: The Adventures of Mr. JAG

Time Warner's "In Style" magazine (like People, but with the urgency
of the Log Cabin syrup) presents its second NBC "Celebrity Weddings"
special (8 PM). Among the rich, aimless, and almost famous are:
Pierce Brosnan, Toni Braxton, Natalie Cole, Boys II Mens' Shawn
Stockman, Eddie Cibrian and Kelly Rutherford.

	Throb throb throb the second throb throb new throb throb episode of
throb throb throb throb ABC's dippy throb throb throb throb paint
dryingly throb throb throb throb exciting throb throb throb throb
game show throb throb throb throb "The Chair" throb throb throb throb
airs (8 PM) throb throb throb throb throb throb throb throb.
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Code Blue -- Clear! Dharma and
Greg is losing its vitals! 

	Listmanaia strikes A&E's "Biography" (8 PM) with Brad Garrett
countin' em down on "TV's Greatest Comedians." First up a long
distance dedication. "Brad," she writes, "how'd you get this gig, did
you have to beat up Todd Newton?"

	Termites attack the WB's "Gilmore Girls" (8 PM). Wooden you like to
find out how they

	If it mattered to me who the characters were, I'd probably be
excited that on CBS' JAG (8 PM) Roberts is on the jury for a murder
case that Mac is prosecuting and Harm is defending. 

	Animal Planet presents the "Pet Psychic" (8 PM), AKA a pet
whisperer, but hey, if you believe John Edward, why nor Mr. Ed-ward.

	PBS' "NOVA" (8 PM) questions the relationship between humans and
Neanderthals, or in simpler terms, the difference between those who
watch E! and A&E. 

	Get inside the minds of infants in part one of PBS' "Secret Life of
the Brain" (9 PM).

	What drives America's top teen temptress? VH1 asks in "Driven:
Britney Spears" (9 PM), and it turns out one of her mentors was
gymnastics coach Bela Karolyi.

	It's parents weekend on FOX's "Undeclared" (8:30), not that they're
running out of reasons for Louden Wainwright III to show up or
anything. 

	NBC's "Fraiser" (9 PM) gets grilled on a teen radio show in a
scenario not unlike "Beat The Geeks." 

	Jack is now the prime suspect in the assassination plot, on the Fox
thriller "24," (9 PM). 

	NBC claims there are assorted love triangles and demands you not
miss the last two minutes of "Scrubs" (9:30), which would be
commercials and the closing credits.

	Remember back in the twentieth century when they used to play
football? The History Channel does, offering "Stories From The Hall
of Fame" (10 PM).

From: Mark Roberts  <msgpost@cosmos-monitor.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 6:00pm
Subject: Re: Re: Chung switching networks -- again.

On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 11:49:05PM -0000, calliaume wrote:
  
| If CNN can combine her talent for probing questions within a 
| news format, it could help out.  

You're assuming she has talent. Was it Marvin Kitman who described
her career as a textbook case of "upward failure"?

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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 6:03pm
Subject: FW: SAD NEWS - AN ERA ENDS

Slightly off topic, except for the fact that Peggy Lee did make frequent
television appearances and partially inspired a Muppet character--This is in
case you haven't seen it elsewhere.

Mark Jeffries
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All information herein from the Peggy Lee Website  http://www.peggylee.com/

Singing legend Miss Peggy Lee, 81, passed away at her Bel Air home on
Monday, January 21, 2002. Her daughter, Nicki Lee Foster, was by her side.
The cause of death has preliminarily been determined as a myocardial
infarction, a result of the stroke she suffered three years ago.

In addition to her daughter, Miss Lee is survived by her grandchildren David
Foster, Holly Foster-Wells, and Michael Foster; and her great-grandchildren
Teagan Foster, Caleb Foster and Carter W.

Lee, Peggy (born Norma Deloris Egstrom, 26 May 1920, Jamestown, North
Dakota) ­ Singer; one of the most perennially popular of her generation;
also songwriter and actress. Beaten by a stepmother for eleven years,
instead of becoming abusive herself she became non-violent. Sang in North
Dakota, on West Coast; joined Benny Goodman (1941) after gig with vocal trio
at Chicago hotel; hits with Goodman began with "I Got It Bad and That Ain't
Good" (1942, from Duke Ellington show "Jump For Joy"), followed by "Blues in
the Night" (with sextet), "Somebody Else Is Taking My Place" (number 1),
"The Way You Look Tonight" (all 1942); number 4 (1943) with "Why Don't You
Do Right?" (they performed it in film "Stage Door Canteen," 1943). Left
Goodman, married guitarist Dave Barbour (1943, divorced 1952; he was an
alcoholic and they remained close until he died).

She retired but could not stay away: Inveigled by Capitol's Dave Dexter to
sing two sides in a album of jazz 78s (unusual then) it was clear that she
was a great interpreter; she played a character as she sang and made you
believe it. With Capitol (1945-52), Decca (1952-57), back to Capitol
(1957-72); had more than 40 hit singles through 1959 and came back to top 40
ten years later.

She and Barbour wrote "It's A Good Day" (number 16, 1947) and "Mańana"
(number 1, 1948), others; he led the orchestra on the latter and many
others. Top ten hits: "Waitin' for the Train to Come In" (1945), "I Don't
Know Enough About You" (1946), "Golden Earrings" (1947), "The Old Master
Painter" (1950, duet with Mel Tormé). When she wanted to record "Lover"
(1952) in Gordon Jenkins's swirling impressionistic arrangement Capitol didn
't go for it, so she switched to Decca and the record remains a pop
landmark. She had been reunited with Goodman on "For Every Man There's A
Woman" (1948), duetted with Bing Crosby on "Watermelon Weather" (1952).
Decca 10" LP "Black Coffee" was a classic, with Jimmy Rowles and Pete
Candoli in the band (the latter as "Cootie Chesterfield"), later had tracks
added to make a 12" LP on Decca.

She appeared on film "Mr. Music" (1950) with Crosby; her portrayal of a
complete breakdown in film "Pete Kelly's Blues" (1955) was nominated for an
Oscar; she appeared in "The Jazz Singer" (1953, remake of 1927 Al Jolson
film); she contributed to the score and was heard in the soundtrack of
Disney cartoon feature "Lady and the Tramp" (1955) and won a settlement from
Disney when they reissued her work on video without offering more money.
"Mr. Wonderful" (1956) was a top 20 hit on Decca, then back on Capitol
(1958) for top ten "Fever;" her smoky yet cool, laid-back sexuality had
something teasingly neurotic about it, vulnerable but also untouchable in
the end; a comparison of her "Fever" with the original by Little Willie John
is revealing.

She continued to write, with Quincy Jones ("New York City Blues"), Cy
Coleman ("Then Was Then"), Ellington ("I'm Gonna Go Fishin'"), others.

Perhaps she was inveigled back to Capitol to make "The Man I Love" (1957)
with Frank Sinatra conducting (top 20 LP); further notable albums were "Jump
for Joy" (1956) with Nelson Riddle; "Beauty and the Beat" (1959) with George
Shearing; "Blues Cross Country" and "If You Go" with Jones (1961); "Sugar
OEN
' Spice" and "Mink Jazz" (1961-62) with Benny Carter; she recorded all
through the 1960s for Capitol including albums with Billy May (1960), Shorty
Rogers (1967), Benny Golson (1970). Her top 40 hit (1969) was written by
Leiber and Stoller; "Is That All There Is" might be a depressing song about
the onset of disappointment, or might not: Her classy ambivalence could be
interpreted as saying, "Yes that's all, but maybe it hasn't been so bad."

There were only three albums in the 1970s [sic ­ Lee released a total of
nine original albums between 1970-79]: "Mirrors" (1975) on A&M was an
elaborate set with 90 musicians, nine [sic ­ ten] songs by Leiber and
Stoller including "Ready to Begin Again," but soon disappeared without a
trace; "Let's Love" (1974) on Atlantic had a title track written and
produced by Paul McCartney, but that too soon vanished; "Close Enough for
Love" (1979) on DRG had an orchestra arranged and conducted by Dick Hazard.
To the relief of fans all over the world she returned with "Peggy Sings the
Blues" (1988) and "There'll Be Another Spring" on MusicMasters, and "Moments
Like This" on Chesky, all with Mike Renzi; and "Love Held Lightly: Rare
Songs by Harold Arlen" on Angel with the Keith Ingham Octet. In a
wheelchair, 1994, she sold out London's Royal Festival Hall with the
Brandenburg Symphony Orchestra.




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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 6:14pm
Subject: RE: ESPN, NBA reach terms

> I meant to say that TNT will still air the THURSDAY 
> doubleheaders. I'm 
> guessing the TBS network will be getting out of the NBA 
> business completely.

Same here--I thought that the TBS portion of the package was going to be
switched to the new channel that's replacing CNN/SI.

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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 1:21pm
Subject: Re: Summerall and Madden

>> Speaking of which, has anybody heard if the Dennis Miller Experiment 
> >will be going for a third year?

NEW YORK POST  
January 7, 2002 

DENNIS THE MENACE COMING BACK 
By MICHAEL STARR 

EXPECT to see Dennis Miller back on "Monday Night Football" next season. 
Nothing official has been announced, but all signs point to ABC returning the
verbose comic to the booth along with Al Michaels and Dan Fouts. 

Ratings for "MNF" are down about 10 percent this season - continuing a
seven-year annual dropoff - but Mandel said that has more to do with the
matchups than anything else. 

"Our biggest problem this year, the way things turned out, is that . . . only
twice did we have games that included teams that both came in with winning
records," said ABC Sports spokesman Mark Mandel. "We had a lot of lopsided
games." 

Miller, with his erudite, often arcane allusions, has caused much debate 
among
"MNF" fans and been parodied on "Saturday Night Live." 

"We don't discuss contracts, but we think Dennis is doing a great job," said
ABC Sports spokesman Mark Mandel. 

"At this point, we have every expectation that he and the rest of the team 
will
be back next year." 


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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 6:31pm
Subject: RE: Summerall and Madden

> This may not be a bad thing for Fox.  Summerall is really getting 
> up there -- he's got to be in his 70s.  (I believe he was planning 
> on retiring a couple years back, but then backed off.)  Madden is 
> in his 60s.  They are no longer at the top of the broadcasting 
> heap, but Fox has been forced to put them on the "A" games 
> because they're the big names.
> 
> My bet:  Summerall retires.  Madden is paired with a much 
> younger broadcaster closer to Fox's desired demographic, and 
> goes back to CBS within two years.

I've long felt that the upcoming Super Bowl was going to be Summerall's last
game.

Of course, it cannot be emphasized too strongly that Summerall and Madden
(along with their CBS producer and director) were very important hires when
Fox first got the piece of the NFL package, since Fox had to prove that they
were serious about the package.  (Too many wags were joking that Bart
Simpson and Al Bundy were going to be calling the Fox games.)  Now that Fox
has proven that it can do game coverage at a high level (although the
pre-game show has become more and more sophmoric over the years), Summerall
and Madden are not as necessary as they once were.

And as referred to earlier, I myself would be satisfied if the Stockton team
became the A team--he's more than earned it and is Fox's senior play-by-play
man right now (he came from CBS with Summerall and Madden).

And I still wonder if Fox would still be here in 2002 if they hadn't picked
up the NFL.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: aaronbarnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 9:06pm
Subject: Tonight's 24 [spoiler]

I think I just witnessed the world's first politically correct rape 
scene.

From: TheBump@aol.com
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 4:09pm
Subject: Re: Tonight's 24 [spoiler]

I agree...it was very interesting how they portrayed that.

Is it just me or is Jack getting really scary? I thought that last week's 
episode was the best yet and I'm worried that it's going a bit downhill...But 
with 15 more hours to fill I'm sure there's a heck of a lot still to come.

--Brian
*yes, usually a lurker..


> I think I just witnessed the world's first politically correct rape 
> 




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From: Wesley McGee  <DavenportIAS@netscape.net>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 9:15pm
Subject: Re: Tonight's 24 [spoiler]

When and where do they repeat this? (Now is as good time as any to get 
into the show).

aaron@t... wrote:

>I think I just witnessed the world's first politically correct rape 
>scene.
>

From: symposium1@aol.com
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 4:19pm
Subject: Re: Tonight's 24 [spoiler]

In a message dated 1/22/02 22:17:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
DavenportIAS@n... writes:


> When and where do they repeat this? (Now is as good time as any to get 
> into the show).

This week will be the last Friday repeat on FOX (at least for a while.) 
Friday 9pm. Then FX Mondays? I think 10p. I think there's another late night 
run, maybe Sunday night at midnight (Mon AM).

--Ann
_________________________________________________
Ann Carrigan
symposium1@a...



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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 9:24pm
Subject: RE: Tonight's 24 [spoiler]

> When and where do they repeat this? (Now is as good time as 
> any to get 
> into the show).

FX, Sundays at 11 p.m. ET (although it's airing a half-hour earlier this
Sunday night at 10:30 p.m. ET for no particular reason) and Mondays at 10
p.m. ET.  The Friday night airings on the mothership (Fox) are off thanks to
that charming little show called "The Chamber," which begins its regular run
this week.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...
 


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From: symposium1@aol.com
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 4:34pm
Subject: Tonight's "Scrubs"

I flipped over from "24" in the break to see the opening minute of "Scrubs." 
I haven't seen it since "24" started. 

I was surprised to see Michael Spiller's name as director. He's done some 
"Sex and the City" episodes... but I was surprised nonetheless. He was DP on 
all those Hal Hartley movies.

Does doing "Scrubs" put him on the West Coast? Has he directed more of the 
season? I know there are fans on this list, so spill (no pun intended) on 
Spiller, please.

--Ann

_________________________________________________
Ann Carrigan
symposium1@a...



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From: Laurel Krahn  <laurel@windowseat.org>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 10:50pm
Subject: RE: Tonight's 24 [spoiler]

On 1/22/2002 at 9:24 PM Jeffries, Mark wrote:

>> When and where do they repeat this? (Now is as good time as 
>> any to get 
>> into the show).
>
>FX, Sundays at 11 p.m. ET (although it's airing a half-hour earlier this
>Sunday night at 10:30 p.m. ET for no particular reason) and Mondays at 10
>p.m. ET.  The Friday night airings on the mothership (Fox) are off thanks
>to that charming little show called "The Chamber," which begins its
regular
>run this week.

The Sunday and Monday night FX reruns sometimes move a half hour or so in
either direction depending on what movies or other programming FX airs.

I do make a point of mentioning all airings of 24 at tvpicks.net, FWIW.

(I think it's an overrated show, but I'm hooked anyway).

Pleased to see in the preview that the most excellent Tamara Tunie and
Zeljko Ivanek will appear in future episodes.

--
Laurel Krahn | www.windowseat.org | www.tvpicks.net

From: Paul Stephen  <pstephen@mb.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 10:50pm
Subject: Re: Globes question

> "on the golden globes they showed an actress falling down 
> some stairs and they had her on a gurney with her
> neck braced. which actress was it?"

It wasn't an actress. It was somebody in the "gallery".

From: greyaar  <greyaar@aol.com>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 0:04am
Subject: Re: Tonight's 24 [spoiler]

I was just glad they finally let Jack catch some sleep, even if it 
was only about 30 seconds. Can you imagine the state he'll be in 
around 3 or 4? Hell, if that was me, the second half of the series 
would just be me wandering around like a damn zombie. I can barely 
remember my own name after a day without sleep, let alone run all 
over town and solve a terrorist conspiracy.

When they threw in the red herring about Jamie wanting immunity 
before she'd talk, I realized what 24 is like -- one of those Infocom 
games! Did you guys ever play those? Like Zork? Text-based adventure 
games where you wandered around and solved puzzles. Like you'd have 
to find a key to unlock a door, and there would be a really 
convoluted series of events you'd have to perform to get it or you 
couldn't move on in the game. Required a lot of non-linear thinking. 
Same deal here, pretty much.

From: Steven Schroeder  <BagHead@concentric.net>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 1:02am
Subject: Conan's wedding

Conan just mentioned his wedding during his opening desk segment, which I
found interesting considering he's been very circumspect about the
relationship on the air previously.  Honestly, I'd missed that news last
week, so it came as quite a surprise to me.  Still, I wonder why he
mentioned it.  Perhaps he thought it was widely publicized enough that he
might as well cover it on the show, but I've got news for him about how much
coverage it got... :-)

Steven Schroeder
Darwin's Bulldog
<http://www.darwinsbulldog.com/>

From: Steven Schroeder  <BagHead@concentric.net>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 1:13am
Subject: Mark Jeffries' documentary story at the top of the TV Barn page

I'd like to see the nasty ax-grinding confined to the mailing list, please.

This line in particular:

"Of course, we are talking about Bob Greene here--a man who seems to want
the world to return to and freeze on the week when the Beach Boys' "Good
Vibrations" was Number 1 and he was back in his beloved Bexley, Ohio";

I found to be unnecessary and inappropriate.

If you want to counter his argument without the personal insults, excellent.
Your points about the documentary outlets on television are valid (and it's
interesting to note the mix of movie theater and PBS that Hoop Dreams
achieved), but I don't think you really refuted his point that so-called
"reality" is primarily sensational unreality (a well-trodden point by now,
surely, but not beaten to death yet).  The negative personal tone, however,
makes the piece rather repellant to me.  I think it hurts your actual
argument and doesn't belong on the TV Barn front page.

Steven Schroeder
Darwin's Bulldog
<http://www.darwinsbulldog.com/>

From: Laurel Krahn  <laurel@windowseat.org>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 1:50am
Subject: Re: Re: Tonight's 24 [spoiler]

On 1/23/2002 at 6:04 AM greyaar wrote:

>I was just glad they finally let Jack catch some sleep, even if it 
>was only about 30 seconds. Can you imagine the state he'll be in 
>around 3 or 4? Hell, if that was me, the second half of the series 
>would just be me wandering around like a damn zombie. I can barely 
>remember my own name after a day without sleep, let alone run all 
>over town and solve a terrorist conspiracy.

I've often joked with friends that if the show makes it to a second season,
it'd be the next day, with just shots of all the surviving characters
sleeping for the whole season.

(If they do a second season of this show, I hope it's one with the same
idea, but a whole new story and all-new or mostly all new characters, maybe
a new setting, too).

>When they threw in the red herring about Jamie wanting immunity 
>before she'd talk, I realized what 24 is like -- one of those Infocom 
>games! Did you guys ever play those? Like Zork? Text-based adventure 
>games where you wandered around and solved puzzles. Like you'd have 
>to find a key to unlock a door, and there would be a really 
>convoluted series of events you'd have to perform to get it or you 
>couldn't move on in the game. Required a lot of non-linear thinking. 
>Same deal here, pretty much. 

I wish I could remember where exactly I read it (and more details), but
shortly after the show's premiere I read an article where one of the main
producers or creators of the show seemed to be saying that they hadn't
mapped out where the series would go over the course of the season.  I
found that disheartening.

And ever since then, I can't help but imagine them putting the twists in
that would be the most shocking in each episode, without thinking about the
ramifications down the road and without setting things up.  It reminds me
of how on soap operas sometimes they'll create a murder mystery without
even the writers being sure which of the characters did it 'til they decide
on it a few weeks or months down the road.  

I mean, did they know when they started out which of the main characters
were in on the plot, or did they decide later "ooh, wouldn't it be good if
so-and-so was in on it?"

I've always hoped that what I read initially was in error.  At the very
least, I hope that by now they do have some sort of game plan for most (if
not all) of the season and how it plays out.  I would think that would make
for a show that holds together better.

But I've found if you watch each episode with the thought in mind that
they're going for the biggest twists or shocks, you can *always* figure out
what's gonna happen (I saw the end of tonight's episode coming a mile
away).  Well, it works for me.  

--
Laurel Krahn | www.windowseat.org | www.tvpicks.net

From: Sue Trowbridge  <trow@interbridge.com>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 1:59am
Subject: Re: Conan's wedding

On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Steven Schroeder wrote:

> Perhaps he thought it was widely publicized enough that he
> might as well cover it on the show, but I've got news for him about how much
> coverage it got... :-)

I was surprised to see Conan's nuptials on the front cover of the National
Enquirer while I was waiting in line at the Safeway this afternoon. The
headline was something along the lines of, "Conan's Wacky Wedding," and a
gallery of exclusive photos was promised. Unfortunately, there was only
one person ahead of me, so I didn't have time to do further "research."

--Sue T.

From: Laurel Krahn  <laurel@windowseat.org>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 2:04am
Subject: Re: Conan's wedding

On 1/23/2002 at 2:59 AM Sue Trowbridge wrote:

>I was surprised to see Conan's nuptials on the front cover of the National
>Enquirer while I was waiting in line at the Safeway this afternoon. The
>headline was something along the lines of, "Conan's Wacky Wedding," and a
>gallery of exclusive photos was promised. Unfortunately, there was only
>one person ahead of me, so I didn't have time to do further "research."

And apparently it got at least a page in this week's _People_, per Denis
Leary's interview tonight on the show. 

I know I saw the brief story and picture the day of the wedding on all the
entertainment wires.  That was a rather pathetic news story, which made
mention that it was raining and that "Conan quipped: "Sorry about the rain"
to his bride.  I was all "that's a quip?"  Hardly.  (And I adore Conan!).

I remember a couple of guests mentioning Conan's upcoming wedding on the
show; I remembered the date because Caroline Rhea and he talked about the
approaching wedding on the New Year's show a fair bit.  Whether he was
nervous, etc.  I was surprised he actually mentioned the date of it, then.

--
Laurel Krahn | www.windowseat.org | www.tvpicks.net

From: papertiger49  <srhodes@well.com>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 3:01am
Subject: Re: Tonight's 24 [spoiler]

I was really surprised that they left her alone.  Or at the very 
least looked at a monitor showing the room.  Even if they didn't 
think about suicide, she could have called and warned him.

 Still, I'm hooked on the show.  I watch it over Smallville, Roswell 
and NYPD Blue.

 I've said before that they should do a marathon on FX so people can 
catch up.  Particularly after the Golden Globes (I don't think they 
mean anything, but that doesn't stop them from being used in hype).

 Until then, they have a detailed episode guide at 

http://www.fox.com/24/guide.html

 And Flak Magazine is also doing summaries in real time at

http://www.flakmag.com/tv/24-1.html

---------------
Steve Rhodes
http://www.well.com/~srhodes

From: phat920  <ssonic4@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 3:39am
Subject: Re: Summerall and Madden

Another opinion is Dr. Z's "Fourth Annual TV Commentator Awards" at

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/dr_z/
news/2002/01/16/drz_insider/

From: TheBump@aol.com
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 0:06am
Subject: Re: Re: Tonight's 24 [spoiler]

I can not wait for this show to be released on DVD.

--Brian


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From: Steve Rhodes  <srhodes@well.com>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 6:01am
Subject: Re: Re: Tonight's 24 [spoiler]

>I can not wait for this show to be released on DVD.


 Then people can do the 24 hour 24 party and look just as tired as Jack by
the end.

 A friend actually did do a marathon Twin Peaks party leading up to the
first episode of the second season complete with Cherry Pie.  Though it was
done with primative VHS technology.

From: Jon Delfin  <jondelfin@nyc.rr.com>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 9:01am
Subject: thank you all

I'm not going to see last night's 24 until at least late this afternoon,
if not tomorrow. Thanks for the [spoiler] in the subject line. I look
forward to reading those postings... eventually.

Jon

From: erin podolsky  <oppsie@monkey.org>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 9:39am
Subject: Re: ESPN, NBA reach terms

On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 06:14:51PM -0600, Jeffries, Mark wrote:
> > I meant to say that TNT will still air the THURSDAY 
> > doubleheaders. I'm 
> > guessing the TBS network will be getting out of the NBA 
> > business completely.
> 
> Same here--I thought that the TBS portion of the package was going to be
> switched to the new channel that's replacing CNN/SI.

that sounds right to me.  here's the breakdown from nba hq:

AOL TIME WARNER
TNT:
- 52 regular season games on an exclusive basis (with no games being
televised nationally or locally that night except for one backup game); 48 
of them airing as part of Thursday night doubleheaders in primetime and 
two Opening Night games.
- Approximately 45 games in the first two rounds of the playoffs.
- Conference semifinals and one conference finals series on an exclusive 
basis.
- NBA All-Star Game and NBA All-Star Saturday events.

NEW NETWORK:
- 96 regular season games.
- Expected two playoff games.

THE WALT DISNEY COMPANY
ABC:
- 15 regular season Games of the Week on Sunday afternoons.
- Expected five playoff games.
- NBA Finals in primetime beginning at 8:30 p.m. ET.
- NBA Inside Stuff (on Saturday mornings).

ESPN:
- 75 regular season games with no local blackouts of ESPN game coverage 
(one game on Wednesday nights and doubleheaders on Friday nights in 
primetime).
- Holiday telecasts, e.g. Christmas Day, New Year's Day, President's Day.
- Expected 22 games in the first two rounds of the playoffs.
- One conference finals series on an exclusive basis.
- NBA Draft, Draft preview show and NBA Draft Lottery.

and the juice on the "new network":

AOL Time Warner and the NBA will create a yet unnamed national sports 
network, which will be 50 percent-owned by AOL Time Warner and 50 
percent-owned by the NBA. The network will televise a wide range of 
sporting events including 96 NBA games throughout the NBA regular season 
plus additional playoff games.

they can say "wide range," and i can say "d league".

(also, there will be no local blackouts for the espn games.)

			-erin

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 9:47am
Subject: RE: ESPN, NBA reach terms

> > Same here--I thought that the TBS portion of the package 
> was going to be
> > switched to the new channel that's replacing CNN/SI.
> 
> that sounds right to me.  here's the breakdown from nba hq:
<snip>
> THE WALT DISNEY COMPANY
> ABC:
> - 15 regular season Games of the Week on Sunday afternoons.
> - Expected five playoff games.
> - NBA Finals in primetime beginning at 8:30 p.m. ET.
> - NBA Inside Stuff (on Saturday mornings).

1.  Discovery has one more half-hour to fill on NBC Saturday mornings than
expected.

2.  Ahmad and Summer are toast on "Inside Stuff."  I predict Stuart Scott
and Melissa Stark taking over.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: Pollak, Melissa  <mpollak@nsf.gov>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 10:13am
Subject: RE: Re: Golden Globe TV Actors

> BTW, I thought that sitcom actors are expected to have their lines
> memorized--they did when I saw "Alice" and "WKRP" back in '79 in LA.  Any
> of
> you who've been to tapings/flimings as of late, you haven't seen cue cards
> or Teleprompters, have you? 
> 
> Mark Jeffries
> mjeffries@k...
> mjsaints@a...
> 
	I believe I've only seen cue cards once -- when I went on the Warner
Brothers tour, we stopped in on the filming of an episode of Family Matters.
If I remember correctly, the elderly lady in the show needed cue cards.  I
remember this distinctly because the tour guide pointed out that she needed
them -- because of her age.  In fact, my guess is that the sitcom actors
most likely to need cue cards are the older folks (e.g., I think I read
somewhere that Marion Ross has trouble memorizing lines and needs them).
The memorization demands on sitcom actors are incredible -- their lines are
constantly being changed even up to the minute of the actual taping of a
scene.  It's an incredibly tough job for an actor.  On the set, the actors
are constantly studying the latest version of the script.  Being able to
memorize instantaneously is a truly remarkable skill -- one that probably
naturally deteriorates as one gets older.  In fact, I've noticed that those
actors who are older usually have more trouble remembering their lines.
(Maybe that accounts for why most sitcom actors are in their 20s and 30s.)

	Melissa

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 10:19am
Subject: RE: Re: Golden Globe TV Actors

> 	I believe I've only seen cue cards once -- when I went 
> on the Warner
> Brothers tour, we stopped in on the filming of an episode of 
> Family Matters.
> If I remember correctly, the elderly lady in the show needed 
> cue cards.  I
> remember this distinctly because the tour guide pointed out 
> that she needed
> them -- because of her age.  In fact, my guess is that the 
> sitcom actors
> most likely to need cue cards are the older folks (e.g., I 
> think I read
> somewhere that Marion Ross has trouble memorizing lines and 
> needs them).

Back in 1979, I cheekily asked the warm-up guy on "Alice" (future game show
host Marc Summers) if they had someone hidden underneath the seating section
with cue cards.  Summers assured me that they didn't and Vic "Mel" Tayback
immediately shot back with "but I wish we did!"  In the next scene, after
Tayback blew a line and they had to stop tape, he immediately said, "That's
why I want cue cards!"

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: symposium1@aol.com
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 5:32am
Subject: Re: thank you all

In a message dated Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:01:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, Jon Delfin <jondelfin@n...> writes:

> I'm not going to see last night's 24 until at least late this afternoon,
> if not tomorrow. Thanks for the [spoiler] in the subject line. I look
> forward to reading those postings... eventually.
> 
> Jon

Hey, if you really want to discuss "24" ad nauseum, and share and receive every possible motivation and plot twist and detail... join the "Twenty-Four" list at Yahoogroups.  I must admit the list has pushed me to the point of insane theorizing. All those years of Games magazine logic puzzles, and I'm no smarter than before...

--Ann

From: Jon Delfin  <jondelfin@nyc.rr.com>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 10:47am
Subject: Re: thank you all

symposium1@a... wrote:

> Hey, if you really want to discuss "24" ad nauseum, and share and
> receive every possible motivation and plot twist and detail... join
> the "Twenty-Four" list at Yahoogroups.  I must admit the list has
> pushed me to the point of insane theorizing. All those years of Games
> magazine logic puzzles, and I'm no smarter than before...

Quite the opposite. I'd rather watch the show without knowing anything
in advance. I look at TV Guide listings only to see if a program is a
repeat, not to read the blurb. For post-show comments, I find the
Atlantic and WorldCrossing TV boards quite sufficient.

And when you were done with the logic puzzles, did you solve the
occasional crossword puzzle constructed by .... Well, modesty forbids.

Jon


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From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 11:08am
Subject: Re: Mark Jeffries' documentary story at the top of the TV Barn page

By the way, I edited the ad hominems out of Mark's piece, THEN saw 
this message on tvbarn2 -- not the other way around.

I'm not against ad hominems per se.  As I told Mark in an e-mail, I 
just wanted the item to focus on his excellent refutation of Greene's 
lame column.

This might be a good time to point out that almost every item on TV 
Barn is eventually edited by me -- including my own items, which 
often get four or five rewrites after they're posted.


>I'd like to see the nasty ax-grinding confined to the mailing list, please.
>
>This line in particular:
>
>"Of course, we are talking about Bob Greene here--a man who seems to want
>the world to return to and freeze on the week when the Beach Boys' "Good
>Vibrations" was Number 1 and he was back in his beloved Bexley, Ohio";
>
>I found to be unnecessary and inappropriate.
>
>If you want to counter his argument without the personal insults, excellent.
>Your points about the documentary outlets on television are valid (and it's
>interesting to note the mix of movie theater and PBS that Hoop Dreams
>achieved), but I don't think you really refuted his point that so-called
>"reality" is primarily sensational unreality (a well-trodden point by now,
>surely, but not beaten to death yet).  The negative personal tone, however,
>makes the piece rather repellant to me.  I think it hurts your actual
>argument and doesn't belong on the TV Barn front page.
>
>Steven Schroeder
>Darwin's Bulldog
><http://www.darwinsbulldog.com/>
>
>
>TVBarn2: America's funniest TV chat room.
>Goodbye: tvbarn2-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

-- 
TV Barn: http://www.tvbarn.com

From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 11:13am
Subject: Re: Re: Tonight's 24 [spoiler]

>When they threw in the red herring about Jamie wanting immunity
>before she'd talk, I realized what 24 is like -- one of those Infocom
>games! Did you guys ever play those? Like Zork? Text-based adventure
>games where you wandered around and solved puzzles.

Played 'em?  I wrote 'em!  In 1978 one showed up on the mainframe at 
the college where my father taught.  I printed out the whole program 
-- in FORTRAN -- and accompanying databases, and redid them in BASIC 
on the high school's H-P computer.

"You are standing at the end of a long road near the entrance to a cave ..."

We never get tired of the old games.  A few new twists, a different 
platform, let's do it again.  That's why "24" is so amazing; you can 
see it's 98 percent old parts and chewing gum and yet ... you can't 
stop watching the damn thing.


-- 
TV Barn: http://www.tvbarn.com

From: rcurrlin  <rcurrlin@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 11:56am
Subject: Re: Golden Globe TV Actors

Just to note an off topic exception...most of the late night shows 
use cue cards to some degree. 

Satuday Night Live is almost entirely "cue-carded" -- in fact, guest 
hosts are advised not to try to memorize their lines because of the  
many script changes that occur right up until air time.
--roy

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Jeffries, Mark" <mjeffries@k...> wrote:
> > 	I believe I've only seen cue cards once -- when I went 
> > on the Warner
> > Brothers tour, we stopped in on the filming of an episode of 
> > Family Matters.
> > If I remember correctly, the elderly lady in the show needed 
> > cue cards.  I
> > remember this distinctly because the tour guide pointed out 
> > that she needed
> > them -- because of her age.  In fact, my guess is that the 
> > sitcom actors
> > most likely to need cue cards are the older folks (e.g., I 
> > think I read
> > somewhere that Marion Ross has trouble memorizing lines and 
> > needs them).
> 
> Back in 1979, I cheekily asked the warm-up guy on "Alice" (future 
game show
> host Marc Summers) if they had someone hidden underneath the 
seating section
> with cue cards.  Summers assured me that they didn't and Vic "Mel" 
Tayback
> immediately shot back with "but I wish we did!"  In the next scene, 
after
> Tayback blew a line and they had to stop tape, he immediately 
said, "That's
> why I want cue cards!"

From: Keith Privett  <Keith@PRIVETT.COM>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 0:02pm
Subject: Re: ESPN, NBA reach terms

Thoughts:

In some of ways it reminds me of past baseball packages; especially the East on
ESPN/West on TNT conference finals format.

TNT remains a rights holder, but gives up the draft package to ESPN, which I
think gives them all of the "big four"

The no local games exclusivity of the TNT package wil be interesting... will
there be fewer Thursday games scheduled, or just fewer games televised? Since
"opening night" is exclusive, I wonder if will switch to a showcase and those
are the only games of the night (baseball does similarly I believe), with the
other 25 teams starting the next? I doubt most local rights holders would enjoy
sitting on their hands on season openers.

All star saturday has been a turner event, but switching the Game itself is a
HUGE demotion, and the one thing I thought ABC might've kept. Along with
Christmas Day, now on ESPN.

I wouldn't be amazed if those 5 playoff games are on Saturday nights, replacing
the James Bond film fest. NBC hasn't done well with it, but its easy
programming for the night.

How do these packages fit around ESPN's committments to hockey (they still have
some, eh?) and early season baseball... MLB gets really ornery.

Will "Inside stuff" move from North Jersey to Connecticut, Orlando, or Anaheim.
I could see them doing it with a live audience at either of the latter two...
or at the ESPNZone in Chicago..... if they still have rights in 2023, when the
Bulls return to prominence.



> here's the breakdown from nba hq:
> 
> AOL TIME WARNER
> TNT:
> - 52 regular season games on an exclusive basis (with no games being
> televised nationally or locally that night except for one backup game); 48 
> of them airing as part of Thursday night doubleheaders in primetime and 
> two Opening Night games.
> - Approximately 45 games in the first two rounds of the playoffs.
> - Conference semifinals and one conference finals series on an exclusive 
> basis.
> - NBA All-Star Game and NBA All-Star Saturday events.
> 
> NEW NETWORK:
> - 96 regular season games.
> - Expected two playoff games.
> 
> THE WALT DISNEY COMPANY
> ABC:
> - 15 regular season Games of the Week on Sunday afternoons.
> - Expected five playoff games.
> - NBA Finals in primetime beginning at 8:30 p.m. ET.
> - NBA Inside Stuff (on Saturday mornings).
> 
> ESPN:
> - 75 regular season games with no local blackouts of ESPN game coverage 
> (one game on Wednesday nights and doubleheaders on Friday nights in 
> primetime).
> - Holiday telecasts, e.g. Christmas Day, New Year's Day, President's Day.
> - Expected 22 games in the first two rounds of the playoffs.
> - One conference finals series on an exclusive basis.
> - NBA Draft, Draft preview show and NBA Draft Lottery.
> 
> and the juice on the "new network":
> 
> AOL Time Warner and the NBA will create a yet unnamed national sports 
> network, which will be 50 percent-owned by AOL Time Warner and 50 
> percent-owned by the NBA. The network will televise a wide range of 
> sporting events including 96 NBA games throughout the NBA regular season 
> plus additional playoff games.
> 
> they can say "wide range," and i can say "d league".
> 
> (also, there will be no local blackouts for the espn games.)
> 
> 			-erin
> 
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From: Keith Privett  <Keith@PRIVETT.COM>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 0:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: Cue Cards

--- rcurrlin <rcurrlin@y...> wrote:
> Just to note an off topic exception...most of the late night shows 
> use cue cards to some degree. 
> 
And show them when the host jokes about the holder during monologues

> Satuday Night Live is almost entirely "cue-carded" -- in fact, guest 
> hosts are advised not to try to memorize their lines because of the  
> many script changes that occur right up until air time.
> --roy
> 
Historically, the host dialogue gets black ink, while other cast members have
assigned colors.

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From: greyaar  <greyaar@aol.com>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 0:07pm
Subject: Re: Tonight's 24 [spoiler]

Glad I'm not the only one who remembers Zork, Aaron! The mainframe 
version was called Dungeon, right?

I tried one of the later Zork games, with all the graphics, but it 
just wasn't the same...

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 0:09pm
Subject: RE: ESPN, NBA reach terms

> I wouldn't be amazed if those 5 playoff games are on Saturday 
> nights, replacing
> the James Bond film fest. NBC hasn't done well with it, but its easy
> programming for the night.

Who knows what will happen by next year, since NBC will have the playoffs
for the last time this season.

BTW, ABC's having Belushi and the cast of "According to Jim" host the
Saturday night Bond movies.  Outside of the fact that Courtney
Thorne-Smith's presence is always welcome to me, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?
 
> How do these packages fit around ESPN's committments to 
> hockey (they still have
> some, eh?) and early season baseball... MLB gets really ornery.

"National Hockey Night" is Wednesdays (?) on the main stem.  ESPN2 airs a
game on Sundays.  Most of the Stanley Cup will probably air on the Deuce,
anyway.  Once baseball season starts, NBA will be on Sunday afternoons (most
likely on ABC) and they'll just avoid Wednesday nights, which is ESPN's only
other night.  Since they've been airing one game on the main stem and one
game on the Deuce the past couple of seasons, I just expect both games to
air on ESPN2 while the NBA's on ESPN.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 0:09pm
Subject: RE: Re: Golden Globe TV Actors

> Just to note an off topic exception...most of the late night shows 
> use cue cards to some degree. 
> 
> Satuday Night Live is almost entirely "cue-carded" -- in fact, guest 
> hosts are advised not to try to memorize their lines because of the  
> many script changes that occur right up until air time.

IIRC, during the one season Jeanene Garofalo did the show, she insisted on
memorizing, which got into many fights with Lorne, the writers and the rest
of the cast.  Of course, when critics found out it made her sound like the
consummate professional battling the philistines.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
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From: nrq61  <nrq61@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 0:15pm
Subject: "The Chair" crashes and burns!

According to zap2it.com, "The Chair" peformed poorly last night.  Most 
devastating to ABC is that the show came in FOURTH in the coveted 
18-49 demographic.

The ratings for the 18-49 demographic were as follows:
1. That '70s Show/Undeclared (Fox) 4.9/12
2. Celebrity Weddings (NBC) 4.5/11
3. JAG (CBS) 4.1/10
4. "The Chair" (ABC) 3.4/9

Maybe ABC should return "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?" to Tuesdays 
at 8.