From: Mark Roberts  <msgpost@cosmos-monitor.com>
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 2:40pm
Subject: Re: Two Faces of KRON (was: NBC's Live Olympics)

KRON's fallen out of the top four stations. That's allowing Young
to shop it and KCAL as duopoly plays for operators already in their
respective markets. (FCC duopoly rules allow only one of the two
stations owned by any given entity in any given market to be among
the top four in ratings.)

Sue Trowbridge wrote:
  
| Here it is mid-February, and the only time KRON has been on in my home
| since it went "indie" was once when we inadvertently switched on Channel 4
| instead of 3. I wonder what the ratings are like?

-- 
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From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 2:46pm
Subject: Felicity, farewell

THE WB's ACCLAIMED "FELICITY" returns

on Wednesday, March 20, with 11 new episodes

culminating IN a two-hour series finale event

on May 22

"GLORY DAYS" Moves to Mondays at 9:00 p.m. ET

         Burbank, CA (February 11, 2002) - Nearly four years ago in 
September of 1998, The WB premiered  FELICITY to great critical 
acclaim and millions tuned in to see the curly-haired heroine 
graduate       from high school.  Now, as the series shoots the 
episode marking Felicity's college commencement,       it was 
announced today by Jordan Levin, President, Entertainment of The WB 
that the college     drama will bid farewell this May.

         Starring Golden Globe Award winner Keri Russell, FELICITY 
returns to The WB on Wednesday,       March 20 with 11 new episodes 
in a row culminating in a two-hour series finale event on May 22.

"'Felicity' was one of the shows that helped put us on the map and 
establish The WB as a place for quality programming," said Mr. Levin. 
"It seems fitting to conclude such a coming-of-age story as the 
characters move on from college."

FELICITY has been off the air since its "Winter Finale" broadcast in 
December to make room for the new Kevin Williamson suspense thriller 
GLORY DAYS.  GLORY DAYS will move to the coveted Monday 9:00 p.m. 
timeslot following The WB's top-rated series 7th HEAVEN beginning 
March 11.  ANGEL returns to its regular Monday berth on April 15 with 
all new episodes through the season finale in May.

         The final 11 episodes of FELICITY will provide closure for 
the characters and viewers alike, with       an emotional college 
graduation along with weddings, funerals and surprising plot twists.

         Created by J.J. Abrams and Matt Reeves, executive produced by 
Brian Grazer, Ron Howard, Tony    Krantz, Abrams, Reeves, Jennifer 
Levin and Laurie McCarthy, FELICITY is produced by Imagine 
Television in association with Touchstone Television.

GLORY DAYS was created by Kevin Williamson, who serves as executive 
producer along with Bob Weinstein, Harvey Weinstein and Billy 
Campbell.  The series is produced by Outerbanks Entertainment in 
association with Dimension Television.


-- 
TV Barn: http://www.tvbarn.com

From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 2:50pm
Subject: Amazing Race 2 contestants

CBS News' THE EARLY SHOW will make the official
announcement of the teams selected for THE AMAZING RACE 2 on Wednesday, Feb.
13 (7:00-9:00 AM, ET/PT).  THE AMAZING RACE 2 host Phil Keoghan will join
Bryant Gumbel and Jane Clayson to introduce the new teams and preview the
second installment of this critically acclaimed show. In addition, Drew and
Kevin, the funny frat boys from last year's THE AMAZING RACE, will attempt
to handicap the new teams and predict which one is most likely to win the $1
million prize. THE EARLY SHOW is broadcast weekdays (7:00-9:00 AM, ET/PT) on
the CBS Television Network. Steve Friedman is the senior executive producer
and Lyne Pitts is the executive producer.

-- 
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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 7:51pm
Subject: RE: Two Faces of KRON (was: NBC's Live Olympics)

> By the way, it looks like the awards ceremony will go untelevised once
> again -- which winners, after all, would dare show up? -- but 
> the Golden
> Razzie nominees have just been posted:
> http://razzies.com/asp/content/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=51

Seems to me that this would be right up Comedy Central's alley--if they
could get the studios to provide clips.  Hell, I'd think Tom Green would
show up just to piss everybody off.

Interesting that among the nominees for "Glitter"'s screenplay was Cheryl L.
West, who is a very talented playwright with a Chicago connection.  But
considering that she was only credited with "story," if her original script
had any quality to it the legions of hack rewriters (and probably Mariah
herself) took it all out.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 10:42pm
Subject: "Friends" will return

[Did you catch the fast-tracked spot touting the news during 
tonight's Olympics?]

"FRIENDS" WILL BE THERE FOR US … FOR A FINALE SEASON

"Friends," the most popular television show in America, will return 
next year for its ninth and final season.


Warner Bros. Television, Bright/Kauffman/Crane Productions and the 
stars of the number-one rated "Friends" have agreed to return next 
season to the NBC Television Network, it was announced today in a 
joint statement issued by the cast, NBC West Coast President Scott 
Sassa, NBC Entertainment President Jeff Zucker, Kevin Bright, Marta 
Kauffman, David Crane and Warner Bros. Television President Peter 
Roth.

"We are enormously pleased and excited to be returning for a ninth 
season," said Jennifer Aniston, Courteney Cox Arquette, Lisa Kudrow, 
Matt LeBlanc, Matthew Perry and David Schwimmer.  "We could not 
ignore the outpouring of public support for the show and we are 
looking forward to creating one more season with the best writers, 
producers, directors and production people in television."

"The return of ‘Friends' is a wonderful event for everyone…the fans, 
NBC, Warner Bros., the producers and the cast.  We're appreciative to 
the cast, producers and crew for the creativity and dedication that 
has made the show soar to new heights this season," said Sassa.

"We've never had better ‘Friends'," said Zucker.  "And we're 
thrilled.  It's no secret how important ‘Friends' is to NBC.  But 
what's truly great is how important this program is to the entire 
country, and that the millions of fans will be able to watch the 
series continue for another full year.  This is a great day."

  Since we all had the same objective, this was the easiest deal we 
have ever made," continued Zucker.  "Everyone wanted it to work out, 
because everyone wanted to be able to send the series out 
appropriately…and in style."





-more-

"‘Friends' has been and is a phenomenal success story and with that 
comes a great deal of responsibility," said Peter Roth, President, 
Warner Bros. Television.  "We believe it is essential that ‘Friends' 
not only go out on top in the ratings, but also be creatively 
complete.  We owe that to ourselves, to all of the extraordinarily 
talented people who have put their hearts and souls into the show for 
nearly a decade and, most importantly, to the millions and millions 
of the fans around the world.  The reason this deal came together so 
amicably is that we all readily understood we could accomplish all of 
our goals and serve all of our interests by having a farewell season 
devoted to concluding the series."

"The show is at a creative and ratings pinnacle and that is thanks to 
the dedication and caring of our cast, our writers, our directors and 
the hundreds of people it takes each week to put together a 
top-quality popular series," said the series creators and executive 
producers Kevin Bright, Marta Kauffman and David Crane. "We will 
devote the entire 24 episodes of the final season to wrap up 
storylines and send our characters off into the world.  We are all 
very excited about being able to do that and very grateful to the 
many who will make it possible."

Anchoring television's highest-rated night, the resurgent "Friends" 
is enjoying one of its most successful seasons in its eight-year 
history.  It is currently the No. 1 primetime series for the season 
among adults 18-49, total viewers and households.  Compared to 
averages for the same point in the season last year, "Friends" is up 
13 percent among adults 18-49 (12.0/31), 17 percent among total 
viewers (24.7 million) and 13 percent in households (15.3/24).

Since its debut season (1994-95), "Friends" has received 33 Emmy 
nominations, including four for Outstanding Comedy Series. 
Additionally, the cast won a Screen Actors Guild Award in 1996 for 
Outstanding Ensemble Performance in a Comedy Series and has been 
nominated four times for a Golden Globe Award for Best Television 
Series, Musical or Comedy.  "Friends" won the People's Choice Award 
for Favorite New Comedy Series in its first season, and has since won 
three more times as Favorite Comedy Series.

The series was created by the writing team of Marta Kauffman & David 
Crane.  Emmy Award-winning producer Kevin S. Bright is executive 
producer with Kauffman and Crane.  Scott Silveri and Shana 
Goldberg-Meehan, Ted Cohen and Andrew Reich are also executive 
producers.  "Friends" is a Bright/Kauffman/Crane Production in 
association with Warner Bros. Television.


-- 
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From: jicarney  <jicarney@edge.net>
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 11:09pm
Subject: They're always fighting Foo

Anyone besides me surprised to see the Foo Fighters doing such a high-
profile appearance on Leno?  Obviously, the big boys can't afford not 
to appear on both shows, but the band has been so linked to their fan 
Dave that it seems a little strange for them to be showing up with 
Jay in such a high-profile manner.


John I. Carney  |  jicarney@e...  |  http://jicarney.cjb.net

From: Roger Winston  <rwinston@tde.com>
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 11:17pm
Subject: Re: "Friends" will return

At Monday 2/11/2002 10:42 PM -0600, Aaron Barnhart wrote:

>"We are enormously pleased and excited to be returning for a ninth
>season," said Jennifer Aniston, Courteney Cox Arquette, Lisa Kudrow,
>Matt LeBlanc, Matthew Perry and David Schwimmer.  "We could not
>ignore the outpouring of public support for the show and we are
>looking forward to creating one more season with the best writers,
>producers, directors and production people in television."

Hmmmm, I guess this means that Jennifer Aniston did NOT die in a baby 
tragedy, as a supermarket tabloid heading screamed at me from the grocery 
store aisle this weekend...

http://www.starmagazine.com/star/newsstand.cfm

Latre.   --Rog

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 11:19pm
Subject: RE: "Friends" will return

> Hmmmm, I guess this means that Jennifer Aniston did NOT die in a baby 
> tragedy, as a supermarket tabloid heading screamed at me from 
> the grocery 
> store aisle this weekend...
> 
> http://www.starmagazine.com/star/newsstand.cfm

And of course, if you click a few more times, it's not Aniston who's dead,
it's her character on "Friends" that's supposedly going to be killed off.

And just think how many Lite FM Morning Zoos are going to or have already
talked about this.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: Steven Schroeder  <BagHead@concentric.net>
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 11:37pm
Subject: Re: "Friends" will return

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffries, Mark" <mjeffries@k...>
To: <tvbarn2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 10:19 PM
Subject: RE: [tvbarn2] "Friends" will return


>
> > Hmmmm, I guess this means that Jennifer Aniston did NOT die in a baby
> > tragedy, as a supermarket tabloid heading screamed at me from
> > the grocery
> > store aisle this weekend...
> >
> > http://www.starmagazine.com/star/newsstand.cfm
>
> And of course, if you click a few more times, it's not Aniston who's dead,
> it's her character on "Friends" that's supposedly going to be killed off.
>
> And just think how many Lite FM Morning Zoos are going to or have already
> talked about this.

Well hell, the local Fox news program talked about it tonight.  At least I
assume that's what the teaser was talking about.

Steve

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Feb 11, 2002 6:35pm
Subject: Re: "Friends" will return

>Well hell, the local Fox news program talked about it tonight.  At least I
>assume that's what the teaser was talking about.

The New York Post

R.I.P. RACHEL? WRITERS MULL DEATH OF A ‘FRIEND' 

February 11, 2002 -- In a stunning plot twist that would traumatize fans of 
TV's "Friends," the smash series' writers might kill off Rachel. 
Star magazine says Jennifer Aniston's pregnant character may die while giving 
birth to her love child. 

The tragedy is just one of three "sensational" story lines being consid ered 
by the sitcom's writers. 

"There's never been a heart-rending ‘Friends' episode like this before. It 
will be the most shocking scene ever played out on TV," a show insider said. 

"Dying Rachel will tell Ross, the baby's father, that their closest friends, 
Monica and Chandler, should raise the baby girl as their own." 

It is not yet known if and when the tragic episode will air. But TV analysts 
say the sensational plot line could end up making it one of the top-rated 
half-hours of all time. 

News of the unnerving plot possibility comes as the show's six stars are 
embroiled in salary negotiations for the show's proposed ninth season. 

Aniston, Courteney Cox, Lisa Kudrow, Matthew Perry and Matt LeBlanc are 
reportedly trying to nail down $1 million to $1.25 million per episode. 

The cast is currently paid $750,000 apiece per show for the season of 24 
programs. They recently joined forces to turn down a raise to $800,000 per 
episode last month. 

Any deals will need to be finalized by May, when NBC must unveil its fall 
schedule to advertisers. 

Variety magazine says there is a "50-50" chance the cast will decide not to 
make any more shows.

From: Anthony Foglia  <afoglia@physics.ucsb.edu>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 0:55am
Subject: Re: They're always fighting Foo

On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, jicarney wrote:

> Anyone besides me surprised to see the Foo Fighters doing such a high-
> profile appearance on Leno?  Obviously, the big boys can't afford not
> to appear on both shows, but the band has been so linked to their fan
> Dave that it seems a little strange for them to be showing up with
> Jay in such a high-profile manner.

	I'm out on the West Coast, so I still haven't seen it, but I don't
plan to, so I'm going to respond anyway. :-)

	Aren't The Foo Fighters performing in Salt Lake City as part of
the Olympics nightly concert series?  If that's the case, I'd think they
were just told they were performing at the Olympics and not on Leno.  Of
course, like you say, they wouldn't refuse to go on Leno if asked, but
that should explain this disconcerting appearance.

--Anthony

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see it?
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From: Steve Rhodes  <srhodes@well.com>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:57am
Subject: Gilmore Girls seek Glasgow band's EP tonight

From the Matador mailing list (they put out Belle and Sebastian's CDs):

In television news, the February 12 plot of "The Gilmore Girls" centers 
around the struggle to get BELLE AND SEBASTIAN'S latest EP while 
grounded. "Legal Man" will hopefully play in the episode as well. This 
coming Tuesday on the WB, 8:00 PM EST.


 The website for the band if you don't know why the kids will do almost
 anything to get tickets to their sold out shows is at

http://www.belleandsebastian.co.uk

From: Steve Rhodes  <srhodes@well.com>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:09am
Subject: Re: Two Faces of KRON (was: NBC's Live Olympics)

The old KOFY (which is now WB20) used to run Streets of San Francisco
 (with Michael Douglas rather than Richard Hatch if you were lucky) and
 other Quinn Martin productions in the middle of the night.  

 You could even see episodes of The Untouchables and the Fugitive
 directed by Ida Lupino.

 That definately would be better than bad dating shows and infomercials.

 And they could bring back a good locally produced show for teenagers
 (which was cancelled around 1992 in a round of budget cuts due to the
 last recession).

 But I don't expect much creativity there.  This is the end of a
 Hollywood reporter story (I linked it from other headlines on the site)
 about the possibly sale of KCAL in LA by Young to Viacom:

For Young, the deal with CBS on KCAL comes as the media spotlight focused
on a potential buyers for Young's KRON San Francisco. 

In December, Young said it had hired Credit Suisse First Boston as a
financial adviser for potential sale of KRON and KCAL. The announcement
came on the same day that NBC announced it had agreed to acquire Granite
Broadcasting's Bay Area station KNTV-TV for $230 million. NBC and Young
tangled in 1999 as both bid on then NBC affiliate KRON when it was put up
for sale as part of the liquidation of Chronicle Publishing's assets. 

Young outbid NBC by paying a record $823 million in cash and stock to
acquire KRON. The record setting price paid for the station was followed
by a well-publicized feud with NBC, which led to KRON's losing its NBC
affiliation as of the first of this year. That loss, followed by the soft
ad market, has led to a string of quarterly losses for Young. 

Industry observers said the deal with CBS for KCAL might bring in enough
cash to help Young continue operating KRON as an independent until the
business climate for TV stations improves. 



 

 
----------------------------- 
  Steve Rhodes
http://www.well.com/~srhodes

contributor to
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From: tomalhe  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 7:41am
Subject: Remote Patrol: we're gonna Mardi like it's 1999

The Academy Awards nominations are being read on every TV station as
I type, if you're reading this, you've missed them. 

	The Travel Channel offers a spycam view of all of those Girls Going
Wild at "Mardi Gras - LIVE 2002" throughout the day. 

	USA Network has the final three ours of "The Westminster Kennel Club
Dog Show" (8 PM) competition, and if the dogs can't keep racing
around the arena at 55-MPH, Dennis Hopper will make bad bad things
happen. 

	Dawn gets her wish on UPN's "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" (8 PM), which
of course is a bad thing.

	The History channel offers "The True Story of Gladiators" (8 PM). It
seems not all of them were Australian. 

	Steven and Lizzie go out for one last night of freedom before
couplehood on FOX's "Undeclared" (8:30 PM), and there's drinking
involved. Are either of them the father of Rachel's baby?

	PBS' "The Secret Life of the Brain" (9 PM) says that we keep getting
new brain cells as we age, although Adam Sandler continues to defy
all possible odds. 

	On FOX's "24" (9 PM), at "10:00 AM" Jack searches to find his wife
and daughter -- BRING ON THE CAR CHASE! Meanwhile, the Senator learns
of a possible conspiracy within his campaign.

	BET's "Journeys in Black" (9 PM) looks at the life of Louis
Farrakhan. 

	On the WB's "Smallville" (9 PM) Supey's loses his powers to a
classmate during an electrical storm, that on any other show would be
freakish, but is rather commonplace here.

	"VH1: Driven" (9 PM) asks what made Marilyn Manson ... the man ...
uh ... freak he is today. I didn't think they would have run out of
subjects this quickly.

	A hurricane strikes A&E's "100 Centre Street" (10 PM). Shhhh, it's
also a metaphor.

	Sitcoms? What sitcoms? ABC is game for just about anything tonight
with The Chair (8 PM), an hour of "Whose line is it Anyway?" (9 PM)
and night two of the just plain sad Aaron Spelling edition of "Who
Wants to Be a Millionaire" (10 PM) 

	Dave has Denis Leary and India Arie, Jay has Kevin Costner and Macy
Gray. Advantage : Dave.
        
UNNECESSARY GUEST STAR PATROL
FOX's "That '70s Show" (8 PM) Luke Wilson. Plot: Valentines Day,
Sperm Bank. Uh huh. 
WB's Gilmore Girls (8 PM) "Twin Peaks'" Madchen Amick. Plot: Rory's
father and his new girlfriend visit.

From: jicarney  <jicarney@edge.net>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 10:22am
Subject: Re: They're always fighting Foo

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Anthony Foglia <afoglia@p...> wrote:

> 	I'm out on the West Coast, so I still haven't seen it, but I 
don't
> plan to, so I'm going to respond anyway. :-)


I hadn't seen it either. I was simply referring to the fact that they 
were on Leno during the Olympics. But your explanation makes perfect 
sense, and now I feel like an idiot. :)


John I. Carney  |  jicarney@e...  |  http://jicarney.cjb.net

From: Mark Roberts  <msgpost@cosmos-monitor.com>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 10:34am
Subject: Re: Two Faces of KRON (was: NBC's Live Olympics)

I wouldn't expect much creativity from the current
management/programming team at KRON, Dino Dinovitz and Pat Patton.
Those of you in Kansas City can thank them for KMBC's hardcore
refusal to air "Nightline" any earlier than midnight, 85 minutes
after the end of the local news.

Instead, during my time in Kansas City, KMBC featured the stupendous
and breath-taking creative step of programming reruns of "The Cosby Show".

KMBC had a fairly reasonable news department, but I always
preferred other stations for news. There was something "March of
Time"-ish about Channel 9, it seemed to me.

Some of the KRON execs have been pointing to KTVK in Phoenix as
their model for indie survival but, having watched KTVK fairly
often whenever I've been in Phoenix, I think I can say that KTVK
has far more creativity in its programming, promotion, and even its
newscasts sometimes than KRON is presently demonstrating.

KRON still puts out better newscasts than KPIX, KGO, or KNTV, in my
opinion, but you have to wonder how long KRON can hold out. I hope
it can.

On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 11:09:32AM +0000, Steve Rhodes wrote:
| 
|  The old KOFY (which is now WB20) used to run Streets of San Francisco
|  (with Michael Douglas rather than Richard Hatch if you were lucky) and
|  other Quinn Martin productions in the middle of the night.  
|<...> 
|  That definately would be better than bad dating shows and infomercials.
| <...>
|  But I don't expect much creativity there.

Aside from the management factors noted above, you're on target, the
financials will be a big constraint, too.

-- 
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From: maskdmirag  <ctr@usc.edu>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:33pm
Subject: Futurama canceled!?!

according to multiple sources, including http://www.gotfuturama.com 
all the animators were let go after fox didn't renew for a 5th 
season.

The current rumor is that there will be a 5th season, comprising of 
the episodes made for the 4th season that won't be shown this season 
(so far this year they've shown only 4 new episodes).

From: stupidfantricks  <misterdummy@aol.com>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:00pm
Subject: Re: They're always fighting Foo

Foo Fighters belong to a big label, they go where the label tells 
them to go. They enjoy going on Letterman and I'm sure they make sure 
it's a place they visit as often as needed because Dave is a genuine 
fan and they are genuine fans of Letterman, they went on Leno because 
NBC wants to promote everything Olympics until the games are over, 
including the Foo Fighters, as I understand it, NBC will be airing 
some of the concerts in prime-time, they wanted to reach their 
audience and boast about Foo to help ratings when their concert airs.

Matt
http://stupidfantricks.tripod.com
Stupid Fan Tricks - A David Letterman Fansite

From: stupidfantricks  <misterdummy@aol.com>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:04pm
Subject: Re: Futurama canceled!?!

There is still one more season left on the shows contract, 
unfortunetly the news is not so good for Family Guy, we will miss 
Family Guy, and if what you say is true (though I doubt it) we will 
miss Futurama as well.

Matt
http://stupidfantricks.tripod.com
STUPID FAN TRICKS - A DAVID LETTERMAN FANSITE

From: stupidfantricks  <misterdummy@aol.com>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:10pm
Subject: SAVE FAMILY GUY

People, it's looking bad for our beloved show Family Guy, "but how 
can I help?" you say, it's easy go here: 
http://www.petitiononline.com/savefg2/petition.html and sign the 
petition, tell your friends and family!

-Matt
http://stupidfantricks.tripod.com
Stupid Fan Tricks - A David Letterman Fansite

From: Jason Snell  <jsnell@intertext.com>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:58pm
Subject: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

>People, it's looking bad for our beloved show Family Guy, "but how
>can I help?" you say, it's easy go here:
<http://www.petitiononline.com/savefg2/petition.html>
By all means, what the world needs is more fan write-in campaigns.

I think I'm going to start one to bring back "MASH." Or "Max 
Headroom." Or "I Love Lucy." Exhume the body of Lucille Ball! Am I 
right, people? :-)

-jason
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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 7:02pm
Subject: RE: SAVE FAMILY GUY

> >People, it's looking bad for our beloved show Family Guy, "but how
> >can I help?" you say, it's easy go here:
> <http://www.petitiononline.com/savefg2/petition.html>
> By all means, what the world needs is more fan write-in campaigns.
> 
> I think I'm going to start one to bring back "MASH." Or "Max 
> Headroom." Or "I Love Lucy." Exhume the body of Lucille Ball! Am I 
> right, people? :-)

Especially when it's the second petition posted today (the first one being
"Futurama").  Does Petition Online have a "Save 'Emeril'" or a "Save 'Bob
Patterson'" petition on there, as well?

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 2:05pm
Subject: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

>I think I'm going to start one to bring back "MASH." Or "Max 
>Headroom." Or "I Love Lucy." Exhume the body of Lucille Ball! Am I 
>right, people? :-)

Square 1 TV!, Electric Company!, The Weird Al Show!

From: Oliver Willis  <owillis@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 7:10pm
Subject: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

> I think I'm going to start one to bring back "MASH." Or "Max
> Headroom." Or "I Love Lucy." Exhume the body of Lucille Ball! Am I
> right, people? :-)
>
> -jason

Personally, I won't be happy until "Your Show of Shows" and "Texaco All-Star
Theater" are returned to their rightful place on our airwaves!!!
--
Oliver Willis
http://www.oliverwillis.com
Like Kryptonite to Stupid
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From: maskdmirag  <ctr@usc.edu>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 7:06pm
Subject: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Jeffries, Mark" <mjeffries@k...> wrote:
> > >People, it's looking bad for our beloved show Family Guy, "but 
how
> > >can I help?" you say, it's easy go here:
> > <http://www.petitiononline.com/savefg2/petition.html>
> > By all means, what the world needs is more fan write-in 
campaigns.
> > 
> > I think I'm going to start one to bring back "MASH." Or "Max 
> > Headroom." Or "I Love Lucy." Exhume the body of Lucille Ball! Am 
I 
> > right, people? :-)
> 
> Especially when it's the second petition posted today (the first 
one being
> "Futurama").  Does Petition Online have a "Save 'Emeril'" or 
a "Save 'Bob
> Patterson'" petition on there, as well?
> 
> Mark Jeffries
> mjeffries@k...
> mjsaints@a...
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]just to note, 
i didn't actually post  a link to a petition, but the site i linked 
to did.

I've only ever done 3 online petitions, and one of them was a 
petition to attach japan to a bunch of chains and tow it to america 
so that there would be less of a wait when we import video games.

I think that petition has an equal chance of working as do any 
others out there.

(however now I'm motivated to find a "save the chamber" petition 
just for fun)

From: Jason Snell  <jsnell@intertext.com>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 7:15pm
Subject: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

>Personally, I won't be happy until "Your Show of Shows" and "Texaco All-Star
>Theater" are returned to their rightful place on our airwaves!!!

And "Camel News Caravan!" And, uh, "Macgruder and Loud!"
-- 
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From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 8:54pm
Subject: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

At 05:15 PM 2/12/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> >Personally, I won't be happy until "Your Show of Shows" and "Texaco All-Star
> >Theater" are returned to their rightful place on our airwaves!!!
>
>And "Camel News Caravan!" And, uh, "Macgruder and Loud!"

Holmes & YoYo: The Next Generation and Logan's Run.


KJB
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http://www.backstage-pass.com
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From: stupidfantricks  <misterdummy@aol.com>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 9:42pm
Subject: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

Half of the shows you guys mentioned have been off the air for a good 
long time, the rest of them I have never heard of or they suck. 
Family Guy is actually a very well written show, many say it's low-
brow, and it can be, but the things the writers come up with are 
amazing, the show is just hilarious, I'm sorry if you people can't 
see that.

Matt

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 9:44pm
Subject: RE: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

> Half of the shows you guys mentioned have been off the air for a good 
> long time, the rest of them I have never heard of or they suck. 
> Family Guy is actually a very well written show, many say it's low-
> brow, and it can be, but the things the writers come up with are 
> amazing, the show is just hilarious, I'm sorry if you people can't 
> see that.

Fox gave it three shots.  Hell, it even put the premiere after the Super
Bowl.  It has simply not been a mass success even by Fox standards.  And it
is simply not the show that "The Simpsons" or "King of the Hill" or even
"Futurama" is.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: ken roberts  <kenroberts@mindspring.com>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 9:50pm
Subject: RE: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

misterdummy@a... wrote:
>
> Half of the shows you guys mentioned have been off the air for a good
> long time, the rest of them I have never heard of or they suck.
> Family Guy is actually a very well written show, many say it's low-
> brow, and it can be, but the things the writers come up with are
> amazing, the show is just hilarious, I'm sorry if you people can't
> see that.

I think some 'Family Guy' gags are splendid, though fail to match this
hyperbolic hilarity from your petition:

"We will not only be boycotting your stations, we will be boycotting
every product shown on those stations. These products include, but are
not limited to: Nyquil, Schick, Valvoline, Gold Bond, Subway Sandwiches,
Buick Motor Vehicles, Alka-Seltzer, Monistat 7, Diflucan, Kentucky Fried
Chicken (KFC), Heartguard, Frontline, any product on TimeLife.com,
Ranger Bass Boats, The Xtractor, any product made by MGM, 1-800-COLLECT,
Hunt's Manwich, any product made by Reeses', any product made by Walt
Disney, and Gevalia coffee and coffee makers." [1]

Now making me give up the 'Simpsons' is one thing, but i'll be damned if
i'm going to boycott my beloved Monistat 7...

-ken, Walstat 7, my ass

[1] http://www.petitiononline.com/savefg2/petition.html

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 9:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

At 03:42 AM 2/13/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>Half of the shows you guys mentioned have been off the air for a good
>long time, the rest of them I have never heard of or they suck.
>Family Guy is actually a very well written show, many say it's low-
>brow, and it can be, but the things the writers come up with are
>amazing, the show is just hilarious, I'm sorry if you people can't
>see that.

Geeze - chill out fanboy.  Family Guy has dodged more bullets than Batman 
on a bad night in Gotham.  I happen to agree that it's a pretty funny 
show.  I know UPN bought it at one point - maybe it still has a future 
there.  While you're at it, put it a good word for Futurama.

As for all of those other shows that have " been off the air for a good 
long time" - how long did it take for Star Trek to come back on the 
air?  Just because they've been off the air a while doesn't make them any 
less worthy of revival.

Besides, Uncle Milty in a dress is funny no matter what.  And Howdy 
Doody.  I wanna see a petition for that.


KJB
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From: Mark Roberts  <msgpost@cosmos-monitor.com>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 9:58pm
Subject: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

Darn it, "Movin' On"!

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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 10:01pm
Subject: RE: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

> I think some 'Family Guy' gags are splendid, though fail to match this
> hyperbolic hilarity from your petition:
> 
> "We will not only be boycotting your stations, we will be boycotting
> every product shown on those stations. These products include, but are
> not limited to: Nyquil, Schick, Valvoline, Gold Bond, Subway 
> Sandwiches,
> Buick Motor Vehicles, Alka-Seltzer, Monistat 7, Diflucan, 
> Kentucky Fried
> Chicken (KFC), Heartguard, Frontline, any product on TimeLife.com,
> Ranger Bass Boats, The Xtractor, any product made by MGM, 
> 1-800-COLLECT,
> Hunt's Manwich, any product made by Reeses', any product made by Walt
> Disney, and Gevalia coffee and coffee makers." 
 http://www.petitiononline.com/savefg2/petition.html

And if you're going to have a boycott of Fox-owned channels, at least call
'em by their right name--it's Fox Sports *Net* or Sports *World,* not Sports
Channel.

And why are you leaving out Fox News Channel?  If you're boycotting
everything else Fox, you gotts boycott the "Factor," too.  You're now in a
no-spin zone.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a... 


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From: stupidfantricks  <misterdummy@aol.com>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 10:43pm
Subject: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

k, let me clarify, it is not MY petition, it is just A petition, a 
petition that just happen to feel strongly about.

UPN never bought the show, that was only a rumor, it has never been 
cancelled by Fox, until now it looks like.

Fox hasn't given the show 3 chances, it started it after the Super 
Bowl, and then neglected to air another episode for 3 months, it did 
really really well, it was considered to be a "mega-hit" show, then 
Fox got stupid and put it on Thursday nights, then Tuesdays, then 
Wednesdays, then back to Thursdays, Family Guy has done very well in 
the ratings in every time-slot Fox has thrown it in, often performing 
better than it's lead-in. It has even done well in it's current 
Thursday night time-slot against Survivor, WWF, and Friends, it 
hasn't done great, but considering it's competition it has done a-ok.

You can see the rise and fall and rise and fall again of Family Guy 
at http://fatpeter.tripod.com

Matt

PS. There will be a picket at Fox studios in California on Friday 
afternoon, there is more info about that at 
http://fatpeter.tripod.com as well.

From: Jason Snell  <jsnell@intertext.com>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 10:58pm
Subject: Re: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

>k, let me clarify, it is not MY petition, it is just A petition, a
>petition that just happen to feel strongly about.

Doesn't matter whose petition it is. I'm sick of petitions for TV shows.

It's a TV show. Sometimes good shows get axed. "The Tick" got 8 
episodes. "Max Headroom" got 13. Consider yourself lucky that "Family 
Guy" got what it did.

Sometimes I wish that the "Star Trek" campaign had never worked. And 
I love "Star Trek," I really do.

-jason
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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:08pm
Subject: Re: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

The feeling among some of the intellectualzzzzz is : "Family Guy" is on its 
5th or 6th "Second Chance." It's been on Sundays, it's been a mid season 
replacement, it's been on after Action!, it's been paired with Tick, it's 
been on twice a week ...  it's been rescued and revived more than George W. 
Bush on a tour of the Rold Gold Prezel factory.

<http://www.sptimes.com/2002/02/12/Floridian/What_s_all_the_fuss_a.shtml>

What's all the fuss about?
Sometimes in TV land, critics and viewers get what we deserve. 
By ERIC DEGGANS, Times TV Critic

© St. Petersburg Times, published February 12, 2002 

Sometimes in TV land, critics and viewers get what we deserve.
I don't get it. 

Of course, TV takes such absurdist and craven turns these days -- Playboy 
Playmates on Fear Factor, Victoria Secret's Fashion Show on ABC prime time -- 
that comprehending it all might be a sign of serious mental instability. 

But there are some goings on in TV land that are even more mystifying than 
usual: 

<snip>

The fuss over Once and Again and Roswell 

Among the network shows likely headed for cancellationville, ABC's blended 
family drama Once and Again and UPN's teens-from-space adventure Roswell seem 
to have the strongest fan bases around. (Another such show, Felicity, just 
got the hook from the WB.) 

And thanks to the magic of cyberspace, the "Save Once and Again" group is 
trying to whip up support online with Web pages and e-mail to persuade the 
networks to save the Sela Ward-Billy Campbell vehicle. 

Already, the group has published an ad in the Hollywood Reporter begging ABC 
executives to renew the show after it returns to new episodes at 10 p.m. 
March 4. Fellow fans can surf to its Web site (www.geocities.com/saveoanda) 
and see instructions for sending messages to ABC. 

Likewise, Roswell lovers can head to www.crashdown.com for info on writing 
UPN executives to plead their case. A similar effort prompted fans to send 
thousands of bottles of Tabasco sauce to the WB during the show's first 
season (its alien characters love the stuff), which prompted the network to 
keep the show around until early 2001, when UPN picked it up. 

But my advice this time around is a bit different. 

Save your efforts. The viewers have voted. 

ABC has kept Once and Again around since 1999, airing the show on Mondays, 
Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Fridays in a vain attempt to find viewership (as of 
Feb. 3, it was ranked 97 among all prime time shows, below ABC's Thieves, 
which was canceled long ago). 

The show is amazing, but viewers clearly have not warmed to its complex 
vision of two divorced parents who find love together, and they've had three 
years to find it. 

Roswell also debuted in 1999 to middling ratings on the WB, and despite 
efforts to juice the show's sci-fi quotient and a move to UPN, it ranks at 
132 among all shows. 

Fact is, anyone who wants to see these series has seen them already, and all 
the Tabasco sauce and industry ads in the world won't change that. Let's move 
on; after all, we've got Greta's eyes and bin Laden's video to keep us 
occupied. 

-- Eric Deggans can be reached at (727) 893-8521, e-mail deggans@s... 
or see the St. Petersburg Times Web site at http://www.sptimes.com.

From: dhosek  <don@dream-in-color.net>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:09pm
Subject: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Jason Snell <jsnell@i...> wrote:
> I think I'm going to start one to bring back "MASH." 

Bring back MASH? Oh no, please don't tell me they're cancelling MASH!

-dh

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:36pm
Subject: Re: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

At 08:58 PM 2/12/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>It's a TV show. Sometimes good shows get axed. "The Tick" got 8
>episodes. "Max Headroom" got 13. Consider yourself lucky that "Family
>Guy" got what it did.
>
>Sometimes I wish that the "Star Trek" campaign had never worked. And
>I love "Star Trek," I really do.

And the really sorry thing is that the Trek campaign never really 
"worked".  I know that fans think the world will end without "their" show 
but the simple fact is that it's all economics.  There was a lot more that 
went into the decision to bring Trek back for a third season than the fan 
letter campaign.  The same is true for Paramount's decision to make movies 
or Star Trek: The Next Generation.

The online petitions aren't worth the paper they're printed on.  They are 
ignored by the networks.  A protest?  Give me a break.  It's a TV series 
not the trial of the West Memphis 3.

Now that the campaign to save Roswell worked once (in theory) and a major 
that was the mailing of packets of Tabasco to the network, the fans of a 
series feel the need to pack something in with their heartfelt letter to 
save their show.  Fans of "The Tick" are including blue plastic spoons, for 
example.  What could "Family Guy" fans send along?  Let's see, there's a 
baby, Stewie, on the show.  Maybe a dirty diaper will get those crazy FOX 
executives to change their minds.

Family Guy might have done "okay" against it's competition but that's not 
what any network is looking for.  They want something that will be the show 
to beat, not the cannon fodder for the night.

Oh, and I think maybe we should mail packets of monkey feces to NBC to get 
them to bring back "B.J. and the Bear".


KJB
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http://www.backstage-pass.com
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From: Roger Winston  <rwinston@tde.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 0:03am
Subject: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

At Tuesday 2/12/2002 08:54 PM -0600, The KJB wrote:

>Holmes & YoYo: The Next Generation and Logan's Run.

I really want to see a revival of "The Starlost".  But do I have to 
petition to Canada to get it?  Keir Dullea is still alive, right?

Latre.   --Rog

From: tomalhe  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 5:41am
Subject: Remote Patrol : Moon Over Karma

CBS "60 Minutes II" investigates Consumer Reports (8 PM), 
plus a look at racial profiling. Gotta love the how-to segments in 
the era of "The New War."

	A bad man robs Joey on the WB's "Dawson's Creek" (8 PM). I 
wonder if she'll cry? 

	The man gives up some time to the downtrodden brotha as PBS 
presents the Black Panther tale "A Huey Newton Story," (9 PM) as 
digitally filmed by Spike Lee.

	Sexy vampires (like there's any other kind) attack on 
the "Glory Days" (9 PM). If only there were a slayer on the WB. 

	CBS "Guilty Hearts" (9 PM) mini series plods along for two 
more hours of marital murder and the doctor pleading guilty by reason 
of insanity.

	Is Mike's wife cheating on him on ABC's "The Job" (9:30 PM)? 
It takes a thief to catch one.  

	The awful "Aaron Spelling Who Wants to Be a Millionaire 
Special Edition" (10) ends.

	E!'s "Rank" (10 PM) offers the Top 25 Best Date Movies like, 
ever. 24 of which happen to star either Julia Roberts of Meg Ryan.

	Dave has gold medal-winning snowboarder Kelly Clark and will 
likely stare at Jeri Ryan's breasts. Jay has Freddie Prinze, Jr. 
likely promoting another lame movie about tragically misunderstood 
teens, Olympic loser Picabo Street and the once cool Barenaked 
Ladies. Sex God Jon Lovitz guests on Bil Maher's "'Emotionally' 
Incorrect."

UNNECESSARY GUEST STAR PATROL

FOX's "The Bernie Mac Show" (9 PM) Halle Berry. Plot: radio show 
guest Bernie jokes about his crush on the actress. 

ABC's "The Drew Carey Show" (9 PM) Jenny McCarthy. Plot: McCarthy, 
who apparently lost a bet appears in her second episode of the 
season, this time as a cop / fatal attraction. 

FOX's Titus (9:30 PM) Mad TV's Alex Borstien. Plot: Vegas bachelor 
party.

From: Doug Eastick  <EASTICK@MCD.ON.CA>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 7:13am
Subject: Re: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

San Pedro Beach Bums

...Doug
(who mentions this show quarterly)

From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 0:27pm
Subject: Re: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

"Battlestar Galactica"

... or is this game called "Shows that really AREN'T coming back"?


>San Pedro Beach Bums
>
>...Doug
>(who mentions this show quarterly)
>
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From: davenportias  <DavenportIAS@netscape.net>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 0:53pm
Subject: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

--- In tvbarn2, Jason Snell wrote:
> 
> I think I'm going to start one to bring back "MASH." Or "Max 
> Headroom." Or "I Love Lucy." Exhume the body of Lucille Ball! Am I 
> right, people? :-)
> 
> -jason
> -- 
> Jason Snell:  teevee.org - intertext.com - jsnell@i...
> Visit TeeVee! http://www.teevee.org/


No, I want the "Lucy Show" that had Gale "Mr. Willllsooooon" Gordon on it.

Save "The Lucy Show"!
Oh, wait. I just remembered. Our CBS affiliate is going to air that
and "Cheers" as soon as "Iyanlia" is cancelled.

My bad.
--Wesley McGee

From: Jon Delfin  <jondelfin@nyc.rr.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 0:57pm
Subject: Re: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

Starting tomorrow, I shall begin my campaign to bring back "Valentine's
Day." Seems appropriate.

Jon

From: Wesley McGee  <DavenportIAS@netscape.net>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 1:07pm
Subject: More Stupid Comcast Tricks

Here's something else Paul Murray can put in his "Stupid Comcast Tricks" 
files.

According to the AP, Comcast decided to go ahead and track where its 
customers surf to on the web, without notification of course. (But 
there's an AP bulletin. Isn't that enough?)  They say they need to do 
this as part of an upgrade which will (1) save them money and (2) 
improve the speed of the service (because it's not like they're capping 
the speed or anything like that. Oh, no. Never!)

Industry experts don't see a reason  for comcast to be doing this anyway.

Click for details.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2083-2002Feb12.html

--Wesley McGee

From: HSWyman@AOL.COM
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 8:50am
Subject: Jeff Skilling

In a message dated 2/8/2002 1:55:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, HSWyman writes:

    Two profiles of Jeff Skilling on Feb. 8 provide different views of the 
executive under fire. <A 
HREF="http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/07/business/07SKIL.html">Darth Vader. 
Machiavelli. Skilling Set Intense Pace.</A> is from the NY Times and confirms 
the belief of some that WGN's Tom Skilling had an evil twin. <A 
HREF="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36048-2002Feb6.html">CEO 
Pushed Hard for Transformation of Firm (washingtonpost.com)</A>   is a more 
balanced piece from the Washington Post that neither trades in Star Wars 
metaphors like the Times (or frankly Enron holding companies) nor does a soft 
bio like the Chicago Tribune.  Both are worth reading.



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From: jamespolk2001us  <jamespolk2001us@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 2:45pm
Subject: And they cancelled "The Tick" for this....

FOX SPECIAL: 
GLUTTON BOWL #1: 
THE WORLD'S GREATEST EATING COMPETITION 
  
THE BIGGEST EATERS ON EARTH CHOW DOWN ON THE ALL-NEW SPECIAL 'GLUTTON 
BOWL #1: THE WORLD'S GREATEST EATING COMPETITION' THURSDAY, FEB. 21, 
ON FOX

This gut-busting, eat-'til-you-drop, two-hour special pits 40 larger-
than-life contestants against each other in unique competitive eating 
challenges. In the early rounds, competitors square off in a 
challenge to see how much or how fast they can consume. The winner in 
each round earns a spot in the finals, which will be an unbelievable, 
all-out gorge-fest with a big cash prize. The qualifying round 
categories will range from huge bowls of mayonnaise to beef tongue to 
sticks of butter. The final round -- not for the faint of heart or 
weak of stomach -- will include a surprise"delicacy", and won't end 
until only one competitor is left standing on the special GLUTTON 
BOWL #1: THE WORLD'S GREATEST EATING COMPETITON Thursday, Feb 21 
(8:00- 10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (SP-0208) (TV-PG)

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 2:21pm
Subject: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

At 11:03 PM 2/12/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>I really want to see a revival of "The Starlost".  But do I have to
>petition to Canada to get it?  Keir Dullea is still alive, right?

You'll have to kill Harlan Ellison first.  One more cheeseburger oughta do 
it. ;-)


KJB
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http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
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From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 2:25pm
Subject: Re: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

At 12:27 PM 2/13/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>"Battlestar Galactica"
>
>... or is this game called "Shows that really AREN'T coming back"?

<snicker>

I intentionally left that one out.  But since you brought it up, I think 
"Buck Rogers" is due for a comeback.  Erin Gray should be on a high enough 
dosage to do a series again and Gil.... well, old Gil really needs 
this.  That salesman gig in Springfield just isn't working out, ya know?


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

From: Mark Roberts  <msgpost@cosmos-monitor.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 2:54pm
Subject: Re: And they cancelled "The Tick" for this....

It reminds me of the Monty Python "Most Disgusting Person" sketch,
where the winner was too disgusting to be shown. Clearly, standards
have since been lowered....

On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 08:45:48PM -0000, jamespolk2001us wrote:
   
| This gut-busting, eat-'til-you-drop, two-hour special pits 40 larger-
| than-life contestants against each other in unique competitive eating 
| challenges. 

Can't wait for the reruns on the Food Network!

-- 
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From: jamespolk2001us  <jamespolk2001us@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 2:54pm
Subject: Sweeps....

Can someome explain me why sweeps is so important and if it is so 
important why are ABC and CBS operating in give up mode?

I mean if I am an advertiser, don't I realize that FOX had high 
ratings cause it aired the Super Bowl, or NBC hit big with the Winter 
Olypmics. Am i so stupid as to believe that an episode of "Third 
Watch" on a Monday in March is going to have anywhere the number of 
viewers who watched the Olympics on a Monday in February.

I also seem to read all the time about advertisers who were promised 
a ceratin a rating or share and when the networks fail to deliver, 
that the advertiser gets free commercials to make up for the 
shortfall.

It seems to me everybody knows sweeps is a stunt and has aleady 
factored this in, so the quetion remains why have a sweeps period.

Is this what ABC and CBS are doing? Instead of burning up new shows 
against the Olympics Behemoth, we get "Patch Adams" twice in 5 days, 
and reruns of "...Raymond" and "Becker"

From: Jason Snell  <jsnell@intertext.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 2:54pm
Subject: More fan-petition idiocy

For those who'd like to be sick, a "Stargate" fangirl posing as a 
professional writer has done a piece for Salon about the latest 
escalation in the "save my show!" wars -- it's now "we demand to have 
casting and showrunning authority!" seriously.

http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2002/02/13/stargate_rebellion/index.html

-jason
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From: Steven Schroeder  <BagHead@concentric.net>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 3:52pm
Subject: Re: More fan-petition idiocy

I'm not sure which is more amusing: the assertion that what's-his-name
Shanks has as many fan sites as Matt Damon or Brad Pitt (factually
ludicrous), the amazing depth of message board/fan site postings this writer
was able to glean from what she claimed was a cursory look (I think you're
correct about her fan girl status), or the idiotic and often shot-down
premise that catering to Internet fans is a good idea for ratings success or
even quality product.  That's a very poorly written piece.

Steven Schroeder
Darwin's Bulldog
<http://www.darwinsbulldog.com/>

----- Original Message -----
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To: <tvbarn2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:54 PM
Subject: [tvbarn2] More fan-petition idiocy


> For those who'd like to be sick, a "Stargate" fangirl posing as a
> professional writer has done a piece for Salon about the latest
> escalation in the "save my show!" wars -- it's now "we demand to have
> casting and showrunning authority!" seriously.
>
> http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2002/02/13/stargate_rebellion/index.html
>
> -jason
> --
> Jason Snell:  teevee.org - intertext.com - jsnell@i...
> Visit TeeVee! http://www.teevee.org/
>
>
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From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 3:17pm
Subject: Re: More fan-petition idiocy

At 12:54 PM 2/13/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>For those who'd like to be sick, a "Stargate" fangirl posing as a
>professional writer has done a piece for Salon about the latest
>escalation in the "save my show!" wars -- it's now "we demand to have
>casting and showrunning authority!" seriously.

Bwahahahahahahaha.........  this was a joke, right?  One of those parody 
pages put together to make someone think it's really Salon, right?

What do you mean it's real?  You've got be kidding.  Harry Knowles looks 
like a serious journalist next to this frothing fangirl.

Let's recap, boys and girls - studios make shows.  Audiences watch 
shows.  While studio wants audience to watch the shows, those shows belong 
to the studio, not the audience.  If an actor leaves, the studio does not 
have the ability to chain the actor up and force them to stay.  That's what 
the legal departments are for.


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
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From: stupidfantricks  <misterdummy@aol.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 3:56pm
Subject: Re: And they cancelled "The Tick" for this....

Yeah, I know I'm looking forward to it.. god the VCR revved up and 
everything, man, only Fox would carry this shit, and I agree, The 
Tick and Family Guy should be on all that night, it's just bull.

Matt

From: Doug Eastick  <wumba_man@yahoo.ca>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 3:57pm
Subject: SAVE <whatever>

The "Battlestar Galactica" comment evolved to a comment of "Buck
Rogers".  I must correct the poster that the proper name of the show
was "Buck Rogers in the 25th Century" (budda-budda, says Twiki).

It is sad to admit that I had written B.R.I.T.25.C on my binder in
Grade 8.  I guess I figured this was cooler than "Joanie Loves Chachi".
 But, then again, maybe I'm just like that guy in SF that went to the
NBC-supplied yacht to watch the Oly-opening ("at least it wasn't the
channel with StarTrek").

...going back to my own little world now...




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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 3:59pm
Subject: RE: Re: And they cancelled "The Tick" for this....

> Yeah, I know I'm looking forward to it.. god the VCR revved up and 
> everything, man, only Fox would carry this shit, and I agree, The 
> Tick and Family Guy should be on all that night, it's just bull.

Not if "Friends" and "Survivor" keep cleaning their clock.

However, there have been Fox execs who have said that they know that the
Mike Darnell-run reality specials that they run are like crack cocaine--they
hate to do it, but they can't stop because it gets them high (numbers).  Has
anyone at Fox ever considered going cold turkey by canning Darnell and
hiring someone else for reality programming?  Or is there the view that it
wouldn't really matter--they'd do the same things again?

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 4:01pm
Subject: RE: Sweeps....

> Can someome explain me why sweeps is so important and if it is so 
> important why are ABC and CBS operating in give up mode?

Sweeps are important because they are the only times of the year that every
one of the 225-some television markets in the nation are measured by Nielsen
and because the local stations set their ad rates based on said sweeps.
They aren't that important for the networks, since they get their numbers
every week (and every morning for the metered markets), but the affiliates
demand that the networks give them competitive programming for sweeps.

This year, the February sweeps have lost their importance because--as proven
correct so far--NBC's Olympics coverage would be dominating everyone else.
I believe that NBC's pulled numbers in the neighborhood of 30 shares (give
or take a few numbers) every night since Friday and their combined numbers
for last night were 12 points above CBS, ABC and Fox *combined.*  And it
looks like it's going to be that way every night until the Olympics are
over.

If truth be told, the networks would love to be rid of the sweeps--as would
any local news directors with a semblance of journalistic integrity still in
them, so they wouldn't have to run those "special reports" that the
consultants and their bosses force them to run every sweeps.  But no one
seems to be able to come up with a feasible replacement, so we're still
stuck with them.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 4:04pm
Subject: RE: More fan-petition idiocy

> For those who'd like to be sick, a "Stargate" fangirl posing as a 
> professional writer has done a piece for Salon about the latest 
> escalation in the "save my show!" wars -- it's now "we demand to have 
> casting and showrunning authority!" seriously.
> 
> http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2002/02/13/stargate_rebellion
/index.html

This was posted on the "other headlines" portion of the home page--the fact
that she loosely identifies the show as Fox when it isn't was enough to make
me uncomfortable.  The "writer from Marin County" bio at the end with no
other credits completed the discomfort factor.

Guess Salon will print anything these days.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: stupidfantricks  <misterdummy@aol.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 4:08pm
Subject: THAT 80'S SHOW!!!!

Oh my god! That 80's Show is on tonight!!! ARE YOU ALL AS STOKED AS I 
AM TO CHANGE THE CHANNEL??? I mean what a crap load of a show Fox has 
thrown on us, I watched the first episode, only because Ed wasn't on, 
and it SUCKED! I actually went and did the dishes instead of watching 
That 80's Show, that's how bad it is! Why in gods name it is still 
getting respectable numbers is beyond me, it sucks.. does anyone 
agree with that assessment of the show?

-Matt
Stupid Fan Tricks - A David Letterman Fansite
http://stupidfantricks.tripod.com

From: Jason Snell  <jsnell@intertext.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 4:34pm
Subject: RE: More fan-petition idiocy

>the fact that she loosely identifies the show as Fox when it isn't 
>was enough to make me uncomfortable.

Yes, although it is true that MGM has a deal largely with Fox 
stations to air the one-year-off weekly syndication package. But 
otherwise, Fox has nothing to do with it... it's MGM, then Showtime, 
and soon Sci-Fi.
>
>  The "writer from Marin County" bio at the end with no
>other credits completed the discomfort factor.

No kidding. Hell, _I'm_ a writer from Marin County...

One other Salon note: Joyce Millman used to write TV articles for 
Salon (not sure she does anymore). She was a professional TV critic 
who _also_ happened to be a Buffy fangirl (and it showed, as she 
wrote piece after piece about Buffy and Angel). Now, that was 
interesting, because it forces you to ask this question: if you're a 
pro who really, really likes a show, does that disqualify you from 
writing about it?

By the way, my perspective as someone who considers "Stargate" the 
best sci-fi show on TV right now: Daniel Jackson is part of the 
ensemble. That's the real joke here. It's MacGyver's show; if there's 
a second lead, it's Amanda Tapping's character Samantha Carter, 
because she's the female lead/wish fulfillment for the female 
viewers. Shanks comes in third, fourth if you groove on the character 
of Teal'c, who's like a buff Mr. Spock. Fifth if you dig Don Davis of 
X-Files and Twin Peaks fame as the gruff but loveable General 
Hammond. SIXTH if you enjoy Teryl Rothery as the doctor. And come to 
think of it, the guy whose name I don't know who just yells "incoming 
traveler!" every week is pretty good...

Well, you see my point. The real joke here is that Shanks isn't even 
playing a pivotal part. He's just an ensemble player, and when he got 
tired of not being the second lead, he quit. Happens all the time.

Egad.

-jason

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From: Jon Delfin  <jondelfin@nyc.rr.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 4:37pm
Subject: Re: More fan-petition idiocy

Journalistic credentials notwithstanding, I didn't have that many
problems with the article. But then, I'm a Stargate SG1 fan. I don't
participate in any fan sites, and much prefer Amanda Tapping to Michael
Shanks, but I agree with the fundamental point of the article: The focus
of the show has changed drastically. And, in the opinion of many
viewers, for the worse. I'll probably watch it through its final year,
but I'm disappointed that Shanks is leaving (though I understand his
motives).

Jon

"Jeffries, Mark" wrote:

>  > For those who'd like to be sick, a "Stargate" fangirl posing as a
> > professional writer has done a piece for Salon about the latest
> > escalation in the "save my show!" wars -- it's now "we demand to
> have
> > casting and showrunning authority!" seriously.
> >
> > http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2002/02/13/stargate_rebellion
> /index.html
>
> This was posted on the "other headlines" portion of the home page--the
> fact
> that she loosely identifies the show as Fox when it isn't was enough
> to make
> me uncomfortable.  The "writer from Marin County" bio at the end with
> no
> other credits completed the discomfort factor.
>
> Guess Salon will print anything these days.
>
> Mark Jeffries
> mjeffries@k...
> mjsaints@a...
>
>
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>
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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 4:39pm
Subject: RE: More fan-petition idiocy

> >  The "writer from Marin County" bio at the end with no
> >other credits completed the discomfort factor.
> 
> No kidding. Hell, _I'm_ a writer from Marin County...

Nothing against Marin County--it's been years since I visited San Francisco,
but I remember that it's pretty country.  I just wanted more info about
fangirl than just that one tidbit--like if she'd ever written for anything
else other than "SG-1" fan sites.

Mark Jeffries
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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 4:41pm
Subject: RE: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

> >k, let me clarify, it is not MY petition, it is just A petition, a
> >petition that just happen to feel strongly about.
> 
> Doesn't matter whose petition it is. I'm sick of petitions 
> for TV shows.
> 
> It's a TV show. Sometimes good shows get axed. "The Tick" got 8 
> episodes. "Max Headroom" got 13. Consider yourself lucky that "Family 
> Guy" got what it did.

And may I point out that "Family Guy" was a 20th-Century Fox show, meaning
that it already enjoyed a favored nations status at the network.  If they're
going to cancel a semi-in-house production, they firmly believe that the
show has no future.

Those who like the show might have better luck getting Cartoon Network to
buy the reruns for their Adult Swim block--although the show's a lot more
vulgar than the rest of the block, you never know (and Mike Lazzo has said
that he would love to get "The Simpsons" on CN, although that will not
happen in any of our lifetimes).

> Sometimes I wish that the "Star Trek" campaign had never worked. And 
> I love "Star Trek," I really do.

Is there a Save Iyanla petition yet on the web?

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a... 


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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 4:44pm
Subject: RE: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

> The online petitions aren't worth the paper they're printed 
> on.  They are 
> ignored by the networks.  A protest?  Give me a break.  It's 
> a TV series 
> not the trial of the West Memphis 3.
> 
> Now that the campaign to save Roswell worked once (in theory) 
> and a major 
> that was the mailing of packets of Tabasco to the network, 
> the fans of a 
> series feel the need to pack something in with their 
> heartfelt letter to 
> save their show.  Fans of "The Tick" are including blue 
> plastic spoons, for 
> example.

And those "Once and Again" fans are sending books to ABC.  [Insert Dan
Quayle coloring book joke here with name changed to Lloyd Braun.]

What could "Family Guy" fans send along?  Let's 
> see, there's a 
> baby, Stewie, on the show.  Maybe a dirty diaper will get 
> those crazy FOX 
> executives to change their minds.

No--it'd just remind them of Doug Herzog.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a... 


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From: Michael W Cummins  <mcummins@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 5:32pm
Subject: O'Reilly v. Moore in no-holds-barred grudge match

Michael Moore's latest e-mail mentioned an appearance on THE O'REILLY
FACTOR this Tuesday.  I've been to the foxnews site and there's nothing
mentioned.  Can someone point me in the right direction so that I don't
miss this.

Thank you,

Michael.




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From: spowers934  <spowers934@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 5:42pm
Subject: Re: SAVE FAMILY GUY

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "davenportias" <DavenportIAS@n...> wrote:
>
> No, I want the "Lucy Show" that had Gale "Mr. Willllsooooon" 
Gordon on it.
> 
> Save "The Lucy Show"!

"Oh, Mr. Mooney, I've just got to meet Bob Cummings! Viiiiiiiv!"

From: Steve Rhodes  <srhodes@well.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 5:54pm
Subject: 60 Minutes II and some other CBS news highlights

TONIGHT ON 60 MINUTES II: (8PM/7PM)

THE BUYER'S BIBLE -- When it comes to telling us which products to buy
... and which to avoid... there is no source of information more trusted,
more relied upon, than Consumer Reports Magazine. When we first went
behind the scenes at Consumer Reports, they were already facing two
lawsuits - from car companies. But that doesn't seem to bother the folks
at Consumer Reports. They're used to controversy - and used to making
enemies - as they go about the job of testing, informing and protecting -
all in the name of the American consumer. Correspondent Vicki Mabrey
reports. 
 
BLACKLISTED  -- Since the terror attacks, racial profiling has been at
the forefront of the Homeland Security debate. Many people of Middle
Eastern descent have been detained because of who they are, not what
they've done. There's a precedent for that which can be traced back to a
town called Oneonta, New York. In 1992, an elderly woman was attacked
there and all she could tell the police was the suspect's color. What
happened next was a door-to-door dragnet based, in part, on a list of
black students. Correspondent Scott Pelley reports.
 
60 MINUTES CLASSIC: HEART TO HEART  -- Ten years ago, Lesley Stahl
profiled a team of American doctors who were determined to help the
nearly collapsed Russian medical system. Calling themselves Heart to
Heart, the team of doctors, from Oakland, CA, traveled to St. Petersburg
in an effort to give little Russian children with heart problems a chance
to grow up and lead normal lives. Were they successful? Did they help the
system? In tonight's 60 Minutes Classic, Lesley Stahl takes us back to
St. Petersburg to find out. 
 
TONIGHT ON THE CBS EVENING NEWS:  
 
[snip most]

In another twist to the still-developing Enron story, the company has
admitted that it profited from last year's California energy crisis. But
now federal officials are asking if the bankrupt energy giant also helped
perpetuate California's energy woes. Sharyl Attkisson will have that for
us.

[duh, we've known that for a long time and was covered in Frontline's
Blackout last may.  It probably has the most in-depth look at Enron
including interviews with Lay, Skilling, Cheney

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/blackout/
 

TONIGHT ON DAVID LETTERMAN: 
Tonight Dave welcomes, Actress, Jeri Ryan, from the controversial
television drama, "Boston Public." Jeri Ryan. Don't miss it!
 
 And tomorrow's Early Morning (as if they have to explain why we don't
 have as much fun):

On this Valentine's Day, we'll continue our five part "Cupid Connection"
series with a look at the why real-life singles don't have nearly as much
fun as the single actors and actresses in our favorite movies and
television shows.

----------------------------- 
  Steve Rhodes
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From: Jon Delfin  <jondelfin@nyc.rr.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 6:01pm
Subject: perfect timing from the onion

Headline: Actors Decide to Go On With Sitcom Despite Cancellation

http://www.theonion.com/onion3805/actors_decide_to_go_on.html

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 1:12pm
Subject: Re: THAT 80'S SHOW!!!!

> Why in gods name it is still getting respectable numbers is beyond 
>me, it sucks.. does anyone > agree with that assessment of the show?

Maybe they need to add a talking dog. 


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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 6:11pm
Subject: RE: Remote Patrol : Moon Over Karma

> 	The awful "Aaron Spelling Who Wants to Be a Millionaire 
> Special Edition" (10) ends.

The last celeb U.S. "Millionaire" ever--unless they forget in November
sweeps on the syndicated version next season and do another one.

I also need to point out that Gabrielle Carteris was 29 when "90210"
started.  And I thought her character was the brainy one.
 
<snip>

> 	Dave has gold medal-winning snowboarder Kelly Clark and will 
> likely stare at Jeri Ryan's breasts.

Well, Jeri should wear some loose-fitting clothes, then.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a... 


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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 6:13pm
Subject: RE: THAT 80'S SHOW!!!!

> > Why in gods name it is still getting respectable numbers is beyond 
> >me, it sucks.. does anyone > agree with that assessment of the show?
> 
> Maybe they need to add a talking dog.

And a meglamanical baby.

And a father who sounds just like Dr. Evil's son.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: SeanJordan@aol.com
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 1:28pm
Subject: Viacom will purchase LA television station for $650 million

I imagine this article is right in assuming that UPN will move to channel 9 
next year, or at the very least it puts Viacom in a good position to 
negotiate from, but it does seem a bit much that Viacom run 3 of the 7 
biggest local stations in the area...
----
Viacom will purchase LA television station for $650 million

Published 6:00 a.m. PST Wednesday, Feb. 13, 2002
LOS ANGELES (AP) - Media giant Viacom announced Wednesday that it will 
acquire KCAL-TV, the last major independent broadcast station in the Los 
Angeles market, for $650 million.
Viacom, which owns CBS and its Los Angeles outlet KCBS-TV Channel 2, will buy 
the station from Young Broadcasting Inc. The acquisition will give Viacom two 
major stations in the nation's second largest television broadcast market and 
will enable the company to operate under a duopoly. Three years ago, the 
Federal Communications Commission eased its rules to allow a single entity to 
own two television stations in a single market.

"Bringing KCAL into the Viacom family of television stations is a great 
opportunity for us to expand significantly in an important growth area and 
secure an 'oceanfront property' in one of the most attractive markets in the 
country," Viacom President and Chief Operating Officer Mel Karmazin said in a 
statement.

The acquisition is expected to close in mid-year 2002, and is subject to FCC 
review and the expiration of antitrust waiting periods.

Viacom also owns the upstart UPN network and could switch KCAL to UPN when 
UPN's current affiliation deal with Fox-owned KCOP Channel 13 ends next year. 
Viacom owns 34 stations, with 15 of them UPN affiliates and the remainder CBS 
units.

Young Broadcasting bought KCAL from the Walt Disney Co. in 1996. Disney sold 
KCAL to comply with duopoly restrictions that existed at the time. Viacom 
closed 81 cents higher at $43.16 on Tuesday on the New York Stock Exchange. 
Young Broadcasting closed up $1.45 at $19.50 on Tuesday on the Nasdaq Stock 
Market.

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 6:30pm
Subject: RE: Viacom will purchase LA television station for $650 million

> I imagine this article is right in assuming that UPN will 
> move to channel 9 
> next year, or at the very least it puts Viacom in a good position to 
> negotiate from, but it does seem a bit much that Viacom run 3 
> of the 7 
> biggest local stations in the area...

Viacom has never owned KCOP.  Chris-Craft/United, Viacom's former partner in
UPN, owned the station until last year, when it was sold to Fox.

Also, FCC regs only allow two TV stations with common ownership in a market.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 1:49pm
Subject: Re: More fan-petition idiocy

>> it's now "we demand to have casting and showrunning authority!" seriously.
> 
Eric Cartman writes for Salon?


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From: clstamper  <clstamper@aol.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 7:05pm
Subject: Re: perfect timing from the onion

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Jon Delfin <jondelfin@n...> wrote:
> Headline: Actors Decide to Go On With Sitcom Despite Cancellation
> 
> http://www.theonion.com/onion3805/actors_decide_to_go_on.html

While we're on the subject, is there any hope of ever seeing another 
season of "Baby Blues" once the remaining unaired UPN episodes are 
burned off on Cartoon Network?

Chris

From: mjeffries@krw.com
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 7:08pm
Subject: NYTimes.com Article: Waylon Jennings, Country Singer, Dies at 64

This article from NYTimes.com 
has been sent to you by mjeffries@k...


Yes, it's sort of off topic, but everything seems to come back to television sooner or later...

mjeffries@k...


Waylon Jennings, Country Singer, Dies at 64

February 13, 2002 




 

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Waylon Jennings, who defined the outlaw
movement in country music, died Wednesday after a long
battle with diabetes-related health problems. He was 64. 

Jennings spokeswoman Schatzie Hageman said Jennings died
peacefully at his home in Arizona. 

Jennings, a singer, songwriter and guitarist, recorded 60
albums and had 16 No. 1 country singles in a career that
spanned five decades and began when he played bass for
Buddy Holly. He was inducted into the Country Music Hall of
Fame in October. 

He had been plagued with diabetes-related health problems
in recent years that made it difficult for him to walk. In
December, his left foot was amputated at a Phoenix
hospital. 

Jennings and his wife, singer Jessi Colter, sold their home
in Nashville more than a year ago and moved to Chandler,
Ariz. 

In 1959, his career was nearly cut short by tragedy soon
after it began. 

He was scheduled to fly on the light plane that crashed and
killed Holly, Ritchie Valens and J.P. "The Big Bopper"
Richardson. Jennings gave up his seat on the plane to the
Richardson, who was ill and wanted to fly rather than
travel by bus with those left behind. 

With pal Willie Nelson, Jennings performed duets like
"Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys,"
"Luckenbach" and "Good Hearted Woman." Those 1970s songs
nurtured a progressive sound and restless spirit embraced
later by Travis Tritt, Charlie Daniels, Steve Earle and
others. 

His resonant, authoritative voice also was used to narrate
the popular TV show "The Dukes of Hazzard." He sang its
theme song, which was a million seller. 

"I aimed the narration at children and it made it work," he
said in a 1987 AP interview. 

He traditionally wore a black cowboy hat and ebony attire
that accented his black beard and mustache. Often reclusive
when not on stage, he played earthy music with a spirited,
hard edge. Combined, Jennings had a well-defined image that
matched well with his history of battling record producers
to do music his way. 

About his independence, he said: "There's always one more
way to do something -- your way." 

Some of his album titles nourished his brash persona:
"Lonesome, On'ry and Mean," "I've Always Been Crazy,"
"Nashville Rebel," "Ladies Love Outlaws" and "Wanted: The
Outlaws." 

He often refused to attend music awards shows on grounds
performers should not compete against each other. Despite
those sentiments, Jennings won two Grammy awards and four
Country Music Association awards. He did not attend his
induction into the Country Music Hall of Fame last year. 

For about 10 years, he declined to appear on the Grand Ole
Opry because a full set of drums was forbidden at the time.
That rule was eventually dropped. 

In 1992, he told the AP: "I've never compromised, and
people respect that." 

Of his outlaw image, he said: "It was a good marketing
tool. In a way, I am that way. You start messing with my
music, I get mean. As long was you are honest and up front
with me, I will be the same with you. But I still do things
my way." 

Born in Littlefield, Texas, Jennings became a radio disc
jockey at 14 and formed his own band not long afterward. 

He and Holly were teen-age friends in Lubbock, Texas, and
Jennings was in Holly's band. Holly also produced Jennings'
first record. 

"Mainly what I learned from Buddy was an attitude,"
Jennings said. "He loved music, and he taught me that it
shouldn't have any barriers to it." 

By the early 1960s Jennings was playing regularly at a
nightclub in Phoenix. In 1963, he was signed by Herb
Alpert's A&M Records, then was signed by RCA in Nashville
shortly thereafter by Chet Atkins. Once in Nashville, he
and Cash became friends and roommates. 

His hit records began in the mid-1960s and his heyday was
the mid-1970s. 

His "Greatest Hits" album in 1979 sold 4 million -- a rare
accomplishment in country music for that era. 

In the mid-1980s, he joined with Nelson, Johnny Cash and
Kris Kristofferson to form the quartet the Highwaymen,
which recorded together and did concert tours. 

"I'd like to be remembered for my music -- not necessarily
by what people see when they see us -- but what they feel
when they talk about you," he said in 1984. 

"Some people have their music. My music has me." 

His
other hit singles included "I'm a Ramblin' Man," "Amanda,"
"Lucille," "I've Always Been Crazy" and "Rose in Paradise."


He made occasional forays into TV movies, including
"Stagecoach" and "Oklahoma City Dolls," plus the Sesame
Street movie "Follow That Bird" and the B-movie "Nashville
Rebel." 

He has said he spent 21 years on drugs and had a
$1,500-a-day cocaine habit. 

"I did more drugs than anybody you ever saw in your life,"
he told the Country Music Association's Close Up magazine
in 1994. 

In 1977, he was arrested at a Nashville recording studio
and charged with conspiracy and possession of cocaine with
intent to distribute. The charges were later dismissed. 

He kicked the habit in 1984 by leasing a house in Arizona
and going cold turkey, he said. 

He and Colter, his fourth wife, married in 1969. They had
one son, Shooter. 

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From: pmurray63  <pmurray@bigfoot.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 8:34pm
Subject: Re: More Stupid Comcast Tricks

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Wesley McGee <DavenportIAS@n...> wrote:
> Here's something else Paul Murray can put in his "Stupid Comcast 
Tricks" 
> files.

Yes, I heard this on the radio while dressing this morning and 
exploded. I was too busy today to post it... and in the meantime, 
Comcast backed off from all the publicity:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=story&cid=528&u=/ap/20020214/ap_on_hi_te/internet_privacy_23

And once Comcast backed off, it became less of a story. 

I'm also sensitive about posting too much cable Internet stuff on TV 
Barn. I've never discussed it it with Aaron, but I suspect he 
wouldn't care for it if there was too much of it. After all, his site 
is about TV, not the Internet, and I would never want to upset that 
balance. 

Having said that, this story clearly was worth posting had I been 
able to do it earlier. Maybe I'll just add it to the "Other 
Headlines" section, without comment.

_________________________
Paul Murray
http://www.paulmurray.net

From: stupidfantricks  <misterdummy@aol.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 8:37pm
Subject: Re: THAT 80'S SHOW!!!!

> > Maybe they need to add a talking dog.
> 
> And a meglamanical baby.
> 
> And a father who sounds just like Dr. Evil's son.

Yes, a talking dog would do the trick.

Seth MacFarlane does the voice of Peter (the dad), Seth Green, (from 
Austin Powers) does the voice of Chris (the son)

C'mon now, you kids have to admit that Family Guy is at least better 
than That 80's Show... COME ON! GIVE ME THAT MUCH!

-Matt
Stupid Fan Tricks - A David Letterman Fansite
http://stupidfantricks.tripod.com

From: jicarney  <jicarney@edge.net>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 8:44pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com Article: Waylon Jennings, Country Singer, Dies at 64

Bell Buckle, Tennessee, is a small town in my county which has had 
success promoting an annual "RC Cola and Moon Pie Festival," full of 
tongue-in-cheek activities.

In 2000, Waylon and his wife Jessi Colter came down and were 
named "RC King" and "Moon Pie Queen."  He was in ill health even 
then -- he didn't perform, simply appeared, was honored by the guest 
emcee (a DJ from a Nashville radio station) with a teasing 
proclamation, and acknowledged the fans.  Even at that appearance, 
you could tell how much the fans loved him.  There was a huge crowd, 
and many of them had driven out of their way to see Waylon Jennings.

I didn't get speak to him that day, although I got some good photos 
for the Times-Gazette.


John I. Carney  |  jicarney@e...  |  http://jicarney.cjb.net

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 8:46pm
Subject: RE: Re: THAT 80'S SHOW!!!!

> C'mon now, you kids have to admit that Family Guy is at least better 
> than That 80's Show... COME ON! GIVE ME THAT MUCH!

"Family Guy" doesn't have Chyler Leigh, which makes "That 80s Show" only
marginally better than "Family Guy."

After the Olympics, watch "Ed" instead.

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: stupidfantricks  <misterdummy@aol.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 8:47pm
Subject: Re: perfect timing from the onion

I never saw the show on the WB, though I am looking forward to seeing 
it on Cartoon Network. Was it real good? I heard it was.

Matt

From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 9:57pm
Subject: Re: Re: More Stupid Comcast Tricks

I have no problem with posting as many cable Internet headlines as 
you want (just no redundant links, please; one link per topic).  I 
like to keep the left hand side as accessible as possible, i.e., 
limited to topics of general interest.  But the ideal sidebar to me 
has 100 links to 100 different topics.

Incidentally, anybody who's reading this and wants to contribute 
headlines -- let me know and I'll add you to the permission list.


>--- In tvbarn2@y..., Wesley McGee <DavenportIAS@n...> wrote:
>>  Here's something else Paul Murray can put in his "Stupid Comcast
>Tricks"
>>  files.
>
>Yes, I heard this on the radio while dressing this morning and
>exploded. I was too busy today to post it... and in the meantime,
>Comcast backed off from all the publicity:
>
>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?
>tmpl=story&cid=528&u=/ap/20020214/ap_on_hi_te/internet_privacy_23
>
>And once Comcast backed off, it became less of a story.
>
>I'm also sensitive about posting too much cable Internet stuff on TV
>Barn. I've never discussed it it with Aaron, but I suspect he
>wouldn't care for it if there was too much of it. After all, his site
>is about TV, not the Internet, and I would never want to upset that
>balance.
>
>Having said that, this story clearly was worth posting had I been
>able to do it earlier. Maybe I'll just add it to the "Other
>Headlines" section, without comment.
>
>_________________________
>Paul Murray
>http://www.paulmurray.net
>
>
>
>TVBarn2: America's funniest TV chat room.
>Goodbye: tvbarn2-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 9:59pm
Subject: Re: Re: NYTimes.com Article: Waylon Jennings, Country Singer, Dies at 64

As in that old Roy Blount Jr. joke about the guy who walks into the 
store and asks for a moon pie and an RC cola and the proprietor says 
you must be from Alabama and the fellow says now what an insulting 
thing to say about somebody just because they come in here and order 
an RC cola and a moon pie and the proprietor says that's because this 
is a hardware store?


>Bell Buckle, Tennessee, is a small town in my county which has had
>success promoting an annual "RC Cola and Moon Pie Festival," full of
>tongue-in-cheek activities.

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From: aaron@tvbarn.com
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 10:04pm
Subject: Variety.com - E! to broadcast U.K.'s Bafta awards

Aaron Barnhart (aaron@t...) has sent you an article.


Variety.com <http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=front_page>

 	
 	


 
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E! to broadcast U.K.'s Bafta awards
 
Show to reach worldwide audience for first time
 
By ERICH BOEHM
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K.'s%20Bafta%20awards> 

 
LONDON -- The British Academy Film Awards will be broadcast outside the
U.K. for the first time this year, including on E! Entertainment in the
U.S.

The U.K.'s answer to the Oscars, popularly known as the Baftas, go out
Feb. 24 from the Odeon Leicester Square theater in London's
entertainment district. 

While the deal with E! is a milestone for the event, the show's
producer-distributor Endemol UK had been hoping for one of the major
networks in the U.S.

Endemol UK director of sales Peter Vandenbussch told Daily Variety that
E! was the "right network at this stage" because it can deliver not only
a conventional audience but also viewers who work in the industry.

In Britain, the show will air on BBC1, and will again be hosted by
comedian-thesp Stephen Fry.

Other broadcasters that have picked up the Baftas are ABC in Australia,
Sony Entertainment in India, Phoenix Television in China, Middle Eastern
satcaster Orbit, Cinenova for the Benelux territories, TV2 in Denmark,
Indosiar in Indonesia and VPS Entertainment in Malaysia.

Endemol said the program had a potential audience of more than one
billion and will become the most widely distributed film awards in the
world after the Oscars and the Golden Globes. 

 

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From: aaronbarnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 10:05pm
Subject: Re: Variety.com - E! to broadcast U.K.'s Bafta awards

Well, that was interesting ... but I don't think I'll do that again.

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 10:05pm
Subject: RE: Variety.com - E! to broadcast U.K.'s Bafta awards

> LONDON -- The British Academy Film Awards will be broadcast 
> outside the
> U.K. for the first time this year, including on E! 
> Entertainment in the
> U.S.
> 
> The U.K.'s answer to the Oscars, popularly known as the Baftas, go out
> Feb. 24 from the Odeon Leicester Square theater in London's
> entertainment district. 
> 
> While the deal with E! is a milestone for the event, the show's
> producer-distributor Endemol UK had been hoping for one of the major
> networks in the U.S.

If Endemol's producing the show, are they going to lock all of the nominees
in a house with Ikea furniture and make them all eat pig rectums?

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 10:07pm
Subject: Afghan TV stations get OK

Sayeth Variety:

KABUL -- Afghanistan's interim government has approved private 
ownership of television channels and radio stations for the first 
time in the country's history.

"There will by no (state) monopoly of television and radio," Culture 
Minister Raheen Makhdoom said Wednesday. "Any Afghan citizen has the 
right to own a private television or radio station, but not 
foreigners."

The minister said the law approving private broadcasting, passed by 
the government Saturday, placed no restrictions on operators other 
than that they stay within the law.

"Freedom will be respected," he said. "If they don't break common law 
and security, and there is no defamation, and nothing is broadcast 
against religions, there will be no limitations."

Previously, newspapers were the only privately owned media.
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From: jicarney  <jicarney@edge.net>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 10:42pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com Article: Waylon Jennings, Country Singer, Dies at 64

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Aaron Barnhart <aaron@t...> wrote:
> As in that old Roy Blount Jr. joke about the guy who walks into the 
> store and asks for a moon pie and an RC cola and the proprietor 
says 
> you must be from Alabama and the fellow says now what an insulting 
> thing to say about somebody just because they come in here and 
order 
> an RC cola and a moon pie and the proprietor says that's because 
this 
> is a hardware store?
> 

Not to take this further off-topic, but this is actually a pretty fun 
event. The mood is probably best symbolized by the "synchronized 
wading" event, which is really just some sort of skit performed by 
people standing in a kiddie pool.  The event has grown every year, 
and there are now thousands upon thousands attending and scores of 
various craft and carnival vendors.


John I. Carney  |  jicarney@e...  |  http://jicarney.cjb.net

From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 0:02am
Subject: Letterman takes more Olympic gold

U.S. Men's snowboarder Ross Powers, who took the gold in
the men's halfpipe competition on Monday at the 2002 Olympic Winter Games in
Salt Lake City, visits the LATE SHOW with DAVID LETTERMAN, Monday, Feb. 18.
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From: tomalhe  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 6:31am
Subject: Remote Patrol: Happy VD

The Learning Channel airs a seven hour marathon of their "A Dating
Story" starting at 9 AM) (think Roger Lodge's "Blind Date" but with a
PBS film crew). 

	When everyone's chowing down chocolates, PBS Frontline (check local
listings) tries to get the skinny on "Fat." 

	ABC presents "A Charlie Brown Valentine" (8 PM), the first new
primetime cartoon outing for the round headed kid since 1993. Chuck
finally gets up the nerve to ask the red haired girl to a dance, and
somehow winds up in the two dates episode of "Family Ties." 

	Meanwhile, FOX's "Family Guy" (8 PM) is ... still on.  

	Comedy Central goes mysteriously highbrow with the Oscar Wilde
comedy "An Ideal Husband" (8 PM) with Rupert Everett playing it
straight, sort of. 

	MTV also suddenly aiming for the smart kids presents "Global Forum
with Colin Powell" (8 PM), a one hour international Q & A session
with the man many suggest will be the Veep before Bush's term is
over. 

	USA Network has Drew Barrymore's almost successful Return to high
school comedy "Never Been Kissed" (8 PM). 

	Down continues to be smacked by the WWF on UPN (8 PM) and Stone Cold
Steve Austin, and RVD both prep for another big PPV event and still
try and smell what the Rock, well, you know... 

	Up for romance? Try anything but FOX's "Temptation Island 2" (9 PM).
	
	Vagina, Vagina, Vagina. That said, HBO airs Eve Ensler's "The Vagina
Monologues" (9:30 PM) on V-Day, the day the stage show traditionally
sets aside to raise money for women's charities. 

	Bravo offers "For One Night Only ... Tom Jones" (10 PM) with the
Welsh Wizard sweating to the oldies on tape from London.

	ABC airs a fourth night of "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire" (10 PM)
still all gimmicked up, tonight with clueless couples arguing over
whether it's "cream cheese."  

	Dave has Calista Flockhart and Incubus, Jay Leno has Denzel
Washington and Sheryl Crow. 
Tie.

From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 10:30am
Subject: Cheney to tick with Leno

Vice President Dick Cheney is confirmed to appear Tuesday, February 
19, 2002 (12:05-1:35 a.m. ET) on 'The Olympic Tonight Show with Jay 
Leno.'  Vice President Cheney will be part of the nightly special 
that will also feature Leno's monologue, correspondents reporting 
from Olympic sites in Salt Lake City and a musical performance by 
Creed from the Olympic Medals Plaza (hosted by Pat O'Brien).
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From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 10:42am
Subject: The WB Radio

BURBANK, CA (February 6, 2002) -- The WB Television Network and AOL 
Music today announced the launch of The WB Radio, an Internet music 
station on Radio@A... and Spinner.com.  Featuring "the soundtrack of 
The WB, 24/7," the station will play an eclectic mix of popular music 
that has appeared in programs on The WB Network, from familiar theme 
songs to breaking new artists.  Programming will also include 
interviews with and music choices from stars of The WB, profiles of 
artists and other features.  The WB Radio targets the network's core 
young audience of young women and teens.

The WB Radio will be broadcast in streaming audio over the Internet, 
accessible to Web music fans from TheWB.com and Spinner.com and to 
AOL members on Radio@A...

"The WB has established a reputation for innovative use of music in 
programming and for exposing new songs and artists," said Nancie S. 
Martin, Senior Vice President, New Media at The WB.  "Our online 
audience has consistently asked for more and more music from our 
shows, so we're excited about having The WB Radio on Spinner and 
Radio@A... to meet this demand."

"We are pleased to welcome The WB to our rich audio programming 
lineup," said Kevin Conroy, SVP and General Manager of AOL Music. 
"AOL members and web users are finding more and more reasons to tune 
into online radio on a daily basis where they can enjoy a wide 
variety of programming that spans beyond traditional radio offerings. 
Now, fans of shows on The WB can have a one-of-a-kind access to the 
music from their favorite WB shows, interviews with the stars and 
more anytime they want with one easy click from the Radio@A... or 
Spinner player."

The station is now live on www.thewb.com, www.spinner.com and AOL.

About The WB The WB Television Network captures the elusive teen and 
young adult viewing audience    with such acclaimed programming as 
7th Heaven and Dawson's Creek, and new critical and  viewer favorites 
include Smallville and Gilmore Girls.  The WB's online extension, 
TheWB.com, also reaches a core 12-34 audience with a mix of 
show-related and original   content and community tools, and its 
sites have the highest percentage of female visitors       aged 12-24 
of any entertainment group, according to Media Metrix. The WB Network 
is an  AOL Time Warner company.


About AOL Music AOL Music reaches the largest audience of online 
music fans in the world through a rich         array of programming, 
products and services that make it easy to discover, experience, 
listen to and buy music on the Web.  AOL Music's leading offerings 
include the number one       Internet music destination, AOL's Music 
Channel; premiere online radio products,        Radio@A... and 
Spinner; and the most popular audio jukebox player, Winamp.  AOL 
Music    also provides music programming, products and services 
throughout the AOL Service, AOL  High-Speed Broadband, and AOL's 
family of Web brands, including Netscape, CompuServe,   AIM and ICQ.

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From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 0:14pm
Subject: Must Boycott NBC

WE, THE PEOPLE OF COLOR, MUST BOYCOTT NBC


Dateline: February 11, 2002 ... New York, NY Contact Name: Mr. Don 
Williams, The People's Network News Contact Phone: (212) 690-9971 Web 
Address: http://www.tpnn or http://www.tpnncentral.com


NEW YORK, NY - February 11, 2002 -  We, the people of color Are 
outraged that there has been absolutely no attention given to the 
fact that we represent less than 20% of the workforce at the 
television networks.  In addition, these few minorities endure, and 
continue to endure, racial, gender, wage and advancement 
discrimination, and this too has been ignored.  The National 
Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and the 
United States Congress has been investigating the lack of diversity 
in the media and specifically the Television Networks for two years 
now.  The primary focus of their investigation has been on the lack 
of minorities in front of and behind the cameras.

On January 5, 2000, the NAACP and the National Broadcasting Company 
(NBC) signed an agreement that was supposed to be the start of a more 
inclusive environment for minorities at NBC. Since this agreement has 
been signed the following events have taken place.

* On May 12th, 2000, Six (6) Federal discrimination lawsuits were 
filed against NBC by its employees. These suits were based on race 
and gender. On this date, the New York Times, the Daily News and the 
New York Post announced the lawsuits. In their articles they 
described the relationship of the Klu Klux Klan to the Conan O'Brien 
Show. Thirty Days later, three of the plaintiffs were forced to walk 
past a set of KKK robes and hoods. These robes and hoods hung outside 
the Conan O'Brien studios for three days. They were not used for any 
comedy skits or rehearsals related to any show.

* On November 12, 2000 NBC held their annual teleconference of its 
owned and operated stations.   Their station from Miami chose to 
allow a white employee to appear in black face to make fun of the 
ballot counting in Florida. This happened in front of all of the NBC 
executive including CEO Bob Wright and Diversity Vice President Paula 
Madison.  The following morning, Mr. Wright's office was contacted by 
both viewers and employees expressing their disgust and how offended 
they were by this skit. Mr. Wright's response was that the 
gentleman's face was not black, but indeed "purple."

* On December 18, 2000 an African American employee, filed charges of 
discrimination with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission based 
on race, gender and age discrimination. After receiving her right to 
sue letter from EEOC, eight months later, she represents the 8th 
Federal discrimination lawsuit against NBC.

* On June 21, 2001, an African American employee found a hangman's 
noose hanging up in his work area. The noose hung there for over two 
weeks. His name was taped to the noose and it remained for an 
additional 3 days. The matter of the noose was brought to the 
attention of John Rivera, chairman of the National Association of 
Broadcast Employees and Technicians' diversity committee (NABET Local 
#11). Mr. Rivera contacted the President of the Union, Mr. Myers, who 
contacted the Labor Relations department for NBC.  An investigation, 
headed by NBC Management, was supposedly conducted. Yet, to date, 
there has been no resolution to the matter, nor have any results of 
the invitation been communicated to Mr. Myers or NABET Local 11.

* On July 6th 2001, yet another discrimination lawsuit was filed 
against NBC  based on race and gender, brining the total number of 
Federal Discrimination lawsuits against NBC to seven.

Since the signing of the historic agreement between NAACP and NBC, 
over 300 counts of discrimination have been filed in Federal Court. 
These instances have taken place over the past 15 years demonstrating 
how institutionalized and serious discrimination is at NBC. We can 
only estimate the number of incidents that have gone unreported.

Attempts have been made to enforce NBC's Human Resources policies to 
remedy these problems.  All attempts were met with NBC's adamant 
unwillingness to take action to resolve its severe discriminatory 
behavior towards its employees of color.

We, the few minorities employed at a major broadcast network want to 
make everyone aware of the inequity and offensive behavior a person 
of color endures once they are employed at one of the major 
television networks. Even in the presence of the NAACP agreement, NBC 
continues to have a poor record on diversity.  Believing it is above 
the law, NBC continues to ignore all repeated requests to meet and 
discuss resolution of its unlawful behavior.

If you are interested in learning more about these acts of 
discrimination by NBC and the lawsuits which resulted, please visit 
The People's Network News at http://www.tpnn.com

We hope you join us in our fight for equity and enforcing our rights 
as Americans, because no one should have to endure this type of 
behavior, ever, much less in our modern society.  Therefore, we the 
people of color must take a stand and...

... must boycott NBC

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From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 0:32pm
Subject: GLORY DAYS to air clip from Janet's HBO con

The WB will take viewers "Front Row Center" with an exclusive encore 
song from HBO's sizzling Janet Jackson concert event on Wednesday, 
February 20. during the suspense thriller GLORY DAYS (9:00-10:00 p.m. 
ET).  The two-minute performance of her hit single "All For You" will 
be taken from "Janet Jackson in Concert From Hawaii" which airs on 
HBO on Sunday, February 17.
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From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 0:34pm
Subject: DeNiro will host CBS 9/11 special

February 14, 2002

ROBERT DE NIRO WILL HOST "9/11,"
UNIQUE STORY OF  THE WORLD TRADE CENTER ATTACK,
SUNDAY, MARCH 10 ON THE CBS TELEVISION NETWORK


CBS Special Presentation Features Never-Before-Broadcast Video from
Filmmakers Gedeon and Jules Naudet, Who Were at Ground Zero on Sept. 11

Robert De Niro will host "9/11," the exclusive insider's account of the
World Trade Center attack from French filmmakers Gedeon and Jules Naudet.
The eyewitness story, featuring extraordinary video that has never been
broadcast, will be seen in a two-hour CBS Special Presentation, Sunday,
March 10 (9:00-11:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

	De Niro, who has won two Oscars and is a preeminent actor, director
and producer living in New York City, is a co-founder of the Tribeca Film
Center, which is located just a few city blocks from Ground Zero.


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From: pmurray63  <pmurray@bigfoot.com>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 0:46pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com Article: Waylon Jennings, Country Singer, Dies at 64

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "jicarney" <jicarney@e...> wrote:
> Not to take this further off-topic, but this is actually a pretty 
fun 
> event. The mood is probably best symbolized by the "synchronized 
> wading" event, which is really just some sort of skit performed by 
> people standing in a kiddie pool.  The event has grown every year, 

Isn't synchronized wading going to be a part of the next Summer 
Olympic Games?

After all, I think that while it isn't in the Olympics - yet - the 
IOC actually recognizes ballroom dancing as a "sport." Or maybe it's 
chess, I can't remember. Heck, just have a little patience and I'm 
sure the IOC will eventually add your favorite activity.

(Proactive hate mail disclaimer: I have nothing against wading, 
ballroom dancing, bridge or chess. But they are not sports.)

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Paul Murray
http://www.paulmurray.net

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 1:06pm
Subject: Olympic sports that aren't

At 06:46 PM 2/14/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>After all, I think that while it isn't in the Olympics - yet - the
>IOC actually recognizes ballroom dancing as a "sport." Or maybe it's
>chess, I can't remember. Heck, just have a little patience and I'm
>sure the IOC will eventually add your favorite activity.
>
>(Proactive hate mail disclaimer: I have nothing against wading,
>ballroom dancing, bridge or chess. But they are not sports.)

Well, ballroom dancing is as much a "sport" as figure skating.  If we're 
going to keep the obviously biased judging practices of one in the Winter 
Olympics, we might as well put the other into the Summer Olympics.

As soon as that US Olympic Pinball Team forms, I'll be dropping this dead 
end writing career and going for the gold.  I wonder if Home Depot will 
sponsor me in my quest for Olympic glory?


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

From: Jon Delfin  <jondelfin@nyc.rr.com>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 3:12pm
Subject: Re: Olympic sports that aren't

The KJB wrote:

> As soon as that US Olympic Pinball Team forms, I'll be dropping this
> dead
> end writing career and going for the gold.  I wonder if Home Depot
> will
> sponsor me in my quest for Olympic glory?

Pinball! Yes! Glad to know I'm not the only Luddite on this list.

Jon


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From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 4:28pm
Subject: Waylon Jennings tributes

CMT: Country Music Television
will preempt regular programming Thursday, Feb. 14 at 10:00-11:00 PM, ET/PT
to telecast CMT INSIDE FAME, an in-depth biography of the late Waylon
Jennings.  Jennings, who passed away Feb. 13, tells his life story on CMT
INSIDE FAME, one of his last major television interviews, originally
telecast on CMT in December, 2001.   CMT viewers will see the personal and
candid side of Jennings, heralded as one of country's most out-spoken and
independent stars, as he discusses the many ups and downs of his four-decade
recording career.

CMT Special Programming In Memory Of Waylon Jennings:

Thursday, Feb. 14
CMT INSIDE FAME at 10:00-11:00 PM, ET/PT

Friday, Feb. 15
CMT INSIDE FAME at 10:00-11:00 AM, ET/PT

Saturday, Feb. 16
CMT INSIDE FAME	at 6:00-7:00 PM, ET/PT
GRAND OLE OPRY LIVE, special tribute, at 8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT

Sunday, Feb. 17
CMT INSIDE FAME at 3:00-4:00 PM, ET/PT
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