From: timko_steve  <timko_steve@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 8:11pm
Subject: Re: Criticizing Michael Moore is verboten?

--- In tvbarn2@y..., tomalhe@a... wrote:
>        I guess that would depend on if that's all you're here to 
do. 
> 
>        It's been discussed. It likely amused and / or bored a lot 
of people. 
> 
>        If you'd like to move on, great. Otherwise, continue to 
amuse us all 
> with your single observation over and over and over and over. We 
like that.
Luis Rukeyser is a financial Facist.
Luis Rukeyser is a financial Facist.
Luis Rukeyser is a financial Facist.
Luis Rukeyser is a financial Facist.
Luis Rukeyser is a financial Facist.
Luis Rukeyser is a financial Facist.
Luis Rukeyser is a financial Facist.
 (Trying to do something to get a rise out of Tom)

From: Steven Schroeder  <BagHead@concentric.net>
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 4:29pm
Subject: Re: Re: anyone want to talk about the Oscars?

Yeah, my perception of Gwyneth has always tended more toward "skinny" than
"flabby."  But I think the consensus is that the dress was awful, so bad in
fact that they devoted a segment on Pardon the Interruption (a much better
show than the usual sports talkfest, while I'm on the subject) to whose
dress was worse, hers or Bjork's swan monstrosity from the previous year.

Steve

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Subject: Re: [tvbarn2] Re: anyone want to talk about the Oscars?


> At 12:33 AM 3/26/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> >I couldn't believe how awful Paltrow's dress was.....I usually don't
> >give a rat's ass about the fashion stuff, but the top to her dress
> >was disgusting, exposing her "uppers" (as not much) and pulling seams
> >into her flabby midsection. I felt embarrassed for her, she looked so
> >bad.
> >
> >I'm no Schwartzeneggar, but Gwyneth needs to get to a gym, pronto.
>
> According to my wife the costume designer, most the "flabby" look was due
> to the design of the dress, not so much Paltrow's work out regimen.  I
tend
> to notice these kinds of things because of her.
>
>
> KJB
> Editor, Backstage Pass
> http://www.backstage-pass.com
> Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
> http://filmforce.ign.com
>
>
>
> TVBarn2: We're talking TV.
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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 11:29am
Subject: Re: Re: Criticizing Michael Moore is verboten?

>Luis Rukeyser is a financial Facist.
>Luis Rukeyser is a financial Facist.
>Luis Rukeyser is a financial Facist.
>Luis Rukeyser is a financial Facist.
>Luis Rukeyser is a financial Facist.
>Luis Rukeyser is a financial Facist.
>Luis Rukeyser is a financial Facist.
>(Trying to do something to get a rise out of Tom)

Who is this Louie Ruckheiser of which you speak?

From: tomalhe  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 4:54pm
Subject: Remote Patrol : soft lighting in Saudi arabia

Tonight on CBS "TEMP: Tightly Edited Military Propaganda" ... oops,
"AFP: American Fighter Pilot" (8 PM) these three men are ready to
fight evil -- one is a handsome Christian who wants to kill people
without actually having to kill people, one is a handsome rebel with
a great nickname, and one loves his family but is cheating on them
with his country. It's sort of "reality" with extreme closeups of
guys in uniforms climbing ladders, which you can also oddly enough
find on the Playboy channel. 

On CBS' "First Monday" (9 PM), a 16-year-old is suing to drop out of
high school to play in the NBA. 

Did this man murder his wife or was it ... the air bags? NBC's
Dateline (9 PM) is on the case. 

PBS Now With Bill Moyers (10 PM, chex local listings) looks at
feeding the hungry in Portland, Oregon.

ABC sent Barbara Walters to Saudi Arabia for tonight's "20/20" (10
PM). Oddly enough she spends very little time messing up her hair
with all that veil crap. She also attempts to make Osama bin Laden's
cry. 

UNNECESSARY GUEST STAR PATROL

The WB's "Maybe it's Me" (9:30) Howard Hesseman & Susan Ruttan. Plot:
The neighbors move in. 
NBC's "Law and Order SVU" (10 PM) Judith Light. Plot: She's the boss.
NBC's "Providence" (8 PM) Morgan Fairchild. Plot: curly haired woman
loses her doctoring license and gets a job baking cookies for dogs,
because you know that happens.  

LATE PATROL: 
Adam Carolla guests on HBO's Dennis Miller Live and writer Jacob
Sager Weinstein tells me the topic will be "Class--Get Over It."
(That's "class" as in "classiness", not "class" as in "social class.")
Andy Richter controls Jay's show along with the Ozzy Osbourne family
and Cypress Hill and Roni Size.
Dave has Andy Dick and Mike Britt.

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 5:09pm
Subject: RE: Remote Patrol: how reading this could ruin your lif e

> In a message dated 3/28/2002 4:00:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> mjeffries@k... writes:
> 
> 
> >  The Post has to be the worst-written big-city
> > daily in the world 
> 
> I respectfully disagree -- it is cheeky and entertaining.  
> This is a city 
> with three major papers and one big one for Long Island.  If 
> I want serious 
> news, I'll read the Times, if I want a quick tab read, I've 
> got the News.  
> Newsday is a quality paper.
> 
> If I want an entertaining read and a fairly quick one -- 
> "Enron Girls Get 
> What the Market Bare$", "Bloomy's Bermuda Shorts OK: Poll", 
> "Lovett Trampled 
> By Bum Steer" -- the Post is great.

OK--so the headlines are clever.  But I guess it doesn't bother you that all
of the Post's entertainment coverage that isn't from gossip columns is still
written like bad gossip columns, with all attractive women referred to on
second reference as "hot hot hot Julia" or "sexy J-Lo?"  Doesn't the
studied, Bill O'Reilly-ish "we reflect what real people think about
television" pose of Adam Buckman and Linda Stasi bug the hell out of you?
And aren't you bothered by the hypocricy of having conservative columnists
and editorialists attack pop culture on the editorial and op-ed pages while
devoting the first 14 pages of the paper to the Oscars on the day after--and
having a 16-page "fashion pullout" the next day?  If the Post finds pop
culture so detestable, why do they even bother covering it?  Or do they
think that the Long Island supermarket checkout girls who buy the paper
never read the editorial pages and so won't be bothered by this
inconsistency?

And does anybody think that the hardcore conservative readership of the Post
will desert it in droves when the new right-wing broadsheet the Sun begins
publishing this year?

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: stupidfantricks  <misterdummy@aol.com>
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 6:29pm
Subject: Re: An editorial (in today's Washington Post) worth forwarding

Thank you for posting that Melissa! It was a very interesting read! 
Has all the hype helped Dave in the ratings? Find out at 
http://stupidfantricks.tripod.com

Matt
Stupid Fan Tricks - A David Letterman Fansite
http://stupidfantricks.tripod.com

From: Steve Rhodes  <srhodes@well.com>
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 6:43pm
Subject: NIGHTLINE Friday: The Middle East on Fire

TONIGHT'S SUBJECT: Arafat is still under fire in his compound in Ramallah,
and a eighteen-year-old Palestinian girl blew herself up in a Jerusalem
market, killing at least two others and wounding more. Spiraling out of
control? I think we're already there.

----

Watching a situation degenerate into war and chaos is a depressing
process. Last night, we started out doing a broadcast on just that issue,
that the situation really did seem to be spinning out of control. Now
we've said that before, but this time it just seemed more urgent. Israeli
tanks were massing outside Ramallah, and that's what we were going to
report. Then came word that the tanks were moving into the town itself, so
we changed our reporting. Then, while we were on the air, came reports
that the tanks were firing on the compound, indeed the building where
Yassir Arafat has his office, and that he was in that building. We woke up
this morning to the report of the latest suicide bombing.

If a eighteen-year-old girl is willing to die in order to try to kill
Israelis, how much worse can it get? More to the point, how do the two
sides ever back away from this. The idea of a peace process, even a
cease-fire, seems like something from another world right now.
It just has no basis in reality. And yet all of these events are unfolding
while the U.S. envoy General Anthony Zinni is on the scene. Clearly he's
not having much influence on events.

Now as I write this, the sun is just going down in the Middle East, but
there's no sense that this situation will wind down at all with the coming
of darkness. John Donvan and his producer Paolo Marenghi are still there,
and will be reporting on the events of today. Arafat has been on the phone
to world leaders, and apparently General Zinni, from inside his besieged
compound, and his aides have been talking to reporters. It seems sort of
surreal to be interviewing someone inside a building that is under attack.
We're working on who Ted's guests will be tonight. This is one of those
days where I have no doubt that whatever plan we make now will be outdated
and obsolete within hours. So we'll just have to see what happens.  Can it
get worse? Of course, and I think that is probably the most likely
direction this will go. I would love to be proven wrong, but I don't think
I will be.

Friday, March 29, 2002

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From: aargrey  <greyaar@aol.com>
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 7:22pm
Subject: Re: Criticizing Michael Moore is verboten?

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Gleemonex9@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/25/02 5:28:22 PM Central Standard Time, 
greyaar@a... 
> writes:
> 
> > All I'm trying to ask is if anybody can refute the awful truth of 
it. 
> > 
> The majority of the Fox article was made up of half-truths and 
quotes taken 
> out of context.

At the risk of boring and infuriating everyone even further: Could 
you give an example or two?

From: Tom Roche  <troche@mindspring.com>
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 8:01pm
Subject: Shales On Berle

X-URL: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A29138-2002Mar28?language=printer


   washingtonpost.com

   A Fond Good Night to Uncle Miltie

   By Tom Shales
   Washington Post Staff Writer
   Thursday, March 28, 2002; Page C01

   Milton Berle was not a huge hit in vaudeville, not a gigantic star in
   movies, not an earthshaking sensation in radio, though he appeared in
   all those venues, romping and clowning. Really, though, during all
   those years he was merely waiting. Waiting for someone to invent a
   medium just for him.

   And someone did. And it was called television.

   Television made Milton Berle the biggest star in the country for half
   a decade or so, and in return, Berle's immense popularity was helping
   to turn America into a television nation. People grew tired of
   standing in front of appliance stores and watching him from the
   sidewalk, and so they bought TV sets of their own and took Milton
   Berle home with them.

   If TV sets still had "rabbit ear" antennas on them like they did in
   the old days, they would have to be lowered to half-staff now. Because
   yesterday, in Los Angeles, probably much to his annoyance and
   certainly against his will, on the first night of Passover 2002,
   Milton Berle died at the age of 93.

   As a child, he appeared in a silent film with Charlie Chaplin. As an
   elderly man, he attempted to bridge a generation gap by guest-starring
   on "Saturday Night Live" in 1979. In the '90s, looking fit and eager,
   he made infomercials to peddle collections of highlights from his old
   TV shows on videocassettes. Some of his old shows have appeared on DVD
   but Berle himself never got around to hawking them on TV.

   Like few other performers, Milton Berle was the embodiment of a
   century's worth of American show business, an icon of pop culture, not
   so much a historical figure as history itself. He appeared onstage in
   Broadway's "Ziegfeld Follies," and decades later in 1963 he co-starred
   in Stanley Kramer's wide-screen classic "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad
   World," the supertanker of movie comedies. If it could be done in
   front of an audience, and wasn't indecent, Milton Berle did it.

   But television was kindest to him and he to it. In 1948 he went on the
   air with a weekly vaudeville revival called "Texaco Star Theater." The
   first generation to grow up with TV can remember, perhaps picture, the
   show's opening, a quartet of gas station attendants singing the
   sponsor's theme song:

   "We are the men of Texaco, we work from Maine to Mexico, there's
   nothing like this Texaco of ours . . .

   "Our show tonight is powerful, we'll wow you with an hour full of
   howls from a shower full of stars. We're the merry Texaco men, tonight
   we may be showmen, tomorrow we'll be servicing your cars."

   The star America wanted to see was Milton Berle, who appeared when the
   song ended, from behind the parted curtains in some outlandish get-up,
   often a woman's dress, and proceeded in the next hour to make high art
   of low comedy, rattling off jokes and routines he'd accumulated since
   joining show business at the ripe age of 5, pushed onstage by a doting
   mother who was still there in the audience, every week, when Uncle
   Miltie enraptured America through television.

   "Uncle Miltie" was but one of his nicknames, one that he ad-libbed one
   night when his show ran short and he decided to address himself to the
   children in the audience, many of them already in their pajamas. He
   told them that their "Uncle Miltie" wanted them to go to bed now and
   bade them good night. He was also crowned "Mr. Television" for
   popularizing the medium - he'd had a three-year head start on "I Love
   Lucy," the great sitcom still in reruns - and also "Mr. Tuesday Night"
   for monopolizing the nation's viewing on that night every week.

   The heyday was surprisingly brief, however, considering the fact that
   Berle hit television like a hurricane. The home audience, growing more
   and more sophisticated by what it saw elsewhere on TV, soon tired of
   Berle's hokey bits. He was also injured in the ratings when ABC put a
   religious show starring Bishop Fulton J. Sheen on opposite him.

   Berle had two gags about that: Sheen beat him, Berle said, because "he
   had better writers." But then he'd add, "We both have the same sponsor
   - Sky Chief." Dropped by Texaco and picked up by Buick, Berle
   reinvented himself and his show to make it less slapsticky. On "The
   Buick-Berle Show," he played a fairly savage parody of himself, the
   obnoxious comic who was forever being insulted by a stock company of
   supporting players.

   On one show, Berle told the audience he was going to demonstrate
   "canned laughter," and produced a can with which to do it. Someone
   else would tell a joke, Berle would remove the lid and the sound of a
   crowd laughing would erupt from the can. The punch line: Berle
   declared himself "the world's greatest comedian," and from the can
   came a sarcastic deep male voice jeering "Ha ha ha."

   His Texaco series hadn't been pure silliness, either. Berle's guests
   included pop singers like Frank Sinatra and opera stars like Helen
   Traubel. Plus the likes of Elvis Presley, Tallulah Bankhead, Edward G.
   Robinson, Nat King Cole, Carmen Miranda (whom Berle frequently
   impersonated) and Jack Benny. When the network objected to Berle
   booking African American acts, he ignored them and booked the acts
   anyway.

   One memorable Tuesday-night hour was a tribute to Cole Porter, with
   Porter himself attending and, with the help of two canes, walking out
   at the conclusion to take a bow, Berle steadying him as he stood in
   the spotlight. On later shows, Berle could go from clowning with Dean
   Martin and Jerry Lewis to sitting down and philosophizing with poet
   Carl Sandburg.

   He had more than, in Noel Coward's phrase, "a talent to amuse." He had
   a talent to amaze. But even then, as new as television still was, the
   public was fickle, and in 1956, his ratings low by previous standards,
   Berle left weekly television. He was never a stranger to the medium,
   though, popping up in later years to take straight dramatic parts, or
   host a variety revue like ABC's "Hollywood Palace," or even make
   cracks during a mercifully short-lived "Jackpot Bowling" series.

   In 1958, on a special edition of NBC's "Wide Wide World" dedicated to
   the 10th anniversary of network television, a radically toned-down
   Berle spoke sentimentally of his long career and of the tough years in
   vaudeville when he toured America, living out of a trunk. Roaming
   through the studio from which his weekly comedy hour had originated,
   he stopped to show viewers the spot down front where, week after week,
   his mother had been stationed, laughing and applauding her son.

   Twenty years later, Berle was being saluted again in an NBC special
   called "A Tribute to Mr. Television." Before the show aired, he talked
   about it in an interview at the famous Polo Lounge in the Beverly
   Hills Hotel. Berle said, "I was watching those old clips and sometimes
   one would come on and, I swear to God on my mother, I didn't know what
   that show was about. I didn't remember doing it. Then they had some
   cuts of me dancing with Hal LeRoy, the Step Brothers, the Dunhills. I
   looked at it and I said, 'Hey, I danced like a son of a bitch!'"

   Standing there backstage, Berle said, and staring at the TV picture as
   if in front of a time-traveling mirror, "I saw a lot of things I swear
   I'd never seen. Finally Don Rickles yells at me, 'cause I'm standing
   in front of the monitor, 'Milton, get out of the way! We can't see
   you!'"

   Berle didn't have to be goaded into reminiscing about his pioneering
   days in black-and-white on 14-inch screens. He laughed about the night
   trained elephants appeared on the show and left large droppings here
   and there about the stage, much to the dismay of the next act on the
   bill - a dance troupe. He seemed to relish being branded with such
   monikers as "The Thief of Bad Gags" in honor of his reputation for
   stealing material. When a guest comic told a joke that got a big
   laugh, Berle would say, "I wish I'd said that" and the guest comic
   would shoot back, "You will."

   He had not only a library of a million jokes from his years in the
   business, Berle said, but also an ample collection of "savers," which
   were sarcastic remarks to be used when a joke bombed. Of these the
   most memorable may have been Berle's rhetorical question, "What is
   this - an audience or an oil painting?"

   His appearance on "Saturday Night Live" in 1979 did not go well.
   Berle's old-fashioned style of knockabout comedy clashed with the more
   cerebral approach of the "Not Ready for Prime Time Players" and the
   show's writers. Watching on a monitor in his office as Berle rehearsed
   a sketch wearing a silly fright wig, "SNL" producer Lorne Michaels was
   not pleased. "Look at that," he sighed. "This is supposed to be kind
   of a touching scene, and he wants to know why can't he put a cigar up
   his nose."

   Michaels was so displeased with the Berle show that he removed it from
   the "Saturday Night Live" episodes that went into syndication. Berle
   later complained of the show's writers, "They should learn how to
   write sketches with endings on them, that's what they should do."

   He could definitely rub people the wrong way, and his bombastic style
   dated him, but there was also about him an energy and gusto that were
   so indefatigable as to seem supernatural. He would make you laugh or
   die trying, though the prospect of him ever really dying seemed out of
   the question. Hoping to live to be at least 100, Berle founded a
   "longevity society" for the promotion of lengthy life spans. In recent
   years though, no matter how willing the spirit, the flesh had grown
   weak. Time is selfish.

   Big TV stars had theme songs when Berle was in full bloom, and his was
   a tune called "Near You." He would sing it, if time permitted, at the
   end of his show, amending the lyrics as he pleased:

   There's just one place for me, ladies and gentlemen, and that's near
   you

   It's like Heaven for me, just to be near you . . .

   Make my life worthwhile by telling me that I'll

   Spend the rest of my days - near you.

   He's run out of days now. Milton Berle is gone, and there's a little
   less laughter in the world. It seems very safe to predict that never
   again will any one man be granted the title of "Mr. Television," but
   then, times and attitudes changing as they do, no one will probably
   ever want it.

   It is his to keep, forever.

                     © 2002 The Washington Post Company

From: Tom Roche  <troche@mindspring.com>
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 8:01pm
Subject: Ebert On Berle

Subject: Showcase
X-URL: http://www.suntimes.com/output/show/cst-ftr-mberle28.html


   
   
An interview with Milton Berle

   March 28, 2002

   BY ROGER EBERT 

   March 16, 1980
   Interview
   Milton Berle

   TORONTO--"You wanna know what the difference is between a comic and a
   comedian?" Milton Berle was asking.

   Yeah, I wanna know.

   "A comic is a guy who says funny things." Berle drew on his cigar. "A
   comedian is a guy who says things funny."

   Which are you?

   "Depends on how I got up in the morning. There is only one comic
   situation, anyway. It comes in three steps. One, get the comic up in a
   tree. Two, throw rocks at him. Three, get him down out of the tree.
   Part 3 is the happy ending. Without the happy ending, it's not comedy.
   Aristotle."

   Berle stretched out on a sofa, He was wearing a bathrobe and a two-day
   beard. This was in the spring of 1980. He was on the set of "Off Your
   Rocker," a comedy set in an old-folks home in Toronto. Berle, Lou
   Jacobi and Red Buttons were playing the three old folks.

   "Old? Have I got a story for you," says Berle. "They gave me an
   honorary Emmy for my three decades in television. I came on TV in
   1949, so this is 30 years later. Have I got news for them. I was on TV
   for 50 years. In 1929, there was this outfit known as the United
   States Television Co., across from the Chez Paree in Chicago. They
   were experimenting. I did a show. It was in a room the size of a broom
   closet, filled with lights, and my lips came out looking as black as
   Theda Bara's. Twenty years later, I figure the medium is finally ready
   for me,"

   What was it like doing live television?

   "What you saw was what you got."

   Since it was live, you couldn't do it again?

   "Since it was live, if you couldn't do it the first time, that was the
   show. If the backdrop fell over, you held it up with your hand and
   said, They're not making these things the way they used to."

   So if you told a joke and it bombed, what did you do then?

   "If it bombed? They had audiences in those days, to them, laughter was
   a foreign language. I had a whole list of things to say when a joke
   bombed."

   Like what.

   "Like what, he says. Like OK folks, here's another one you may not
   care for. There must be people out there--I hear breathing. Tap your
   canes when you want to laugh. Working this audience is like walking a
   gangplank without a ship. Did you come in here for entertainment or
   revenge? I feel like the captain of the Titanic. May I see your
   library cards? I've never been funnier, folks, and believe me I
   sincerely regret it." 

   Live television, must have been a constant challenge.

   "I sold a lot of sets. After I was on, my neighbor sold his set, my
   wife sold her set . . ."

   I mean, did you work with a script, or . . .

   "No cue cards, no TelePrompTers, just memory. My experience in
   vaudeville was a great boon to me. I got stuck; I could remember some
   old routine I did at the State-Lake in Chicago. I remember I played
   Chicago once in legit. 'Adam and Eden,' I think it was called. People
   went out whistling the scenery.

   "We were only sort of live, anyway. We were really live, but only to
   those places on the coaxial cable. We were live in New York, and we
   went out live to Chicago, but for the West Coast, we were on
   kinescopes and they sent us out by train and we were on a week later.

   "I remember how I got the nickname Uncle Miltie. My floor director in
   those days was Arthur Penn, who went on to become the famous movie
   director. He made 'Bonnie and Clyde.' In those days, he would squat
   under the camera and give me signals so I knew how much time I had
   left. One day we had a new script girl. She timed the script, and made
   the mistake of allowing too much time for the laughs. With our
   scripts, allowing any time for the laughs was taking a risk.

   "So I think the show is over and I'm standing there saying goodbye,
   and I look down at Penn, and he's holding up eight fingers. Eight
   fingers. That means I've got eight minutes to fill. And nothing to
   say. I started ad-libbing, doing old jokes from vaudeville. Finally I
   ran out of jokes. I started talking to the kids: Time to go to bed,
   kiddies! Uncle Miltie says goodnight! The next day, they were calling
   me Uncle Miltie, and it stuck."

   Copyright © Chicago Sun-Times Inc.

From: TelevisonGrl@aol.com
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 3:16pm
Subject: Re: Is "Steve Harvey" being canned by WB?

In a message dated 3/29/2002 10:34:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
symposium1@a... writes:


> My boss apparently heard that rumor and wanted me to verify. I saw 
> nothing on rec.arts.tv and nothing in the archive here. Heard that 
> Cedric the Entertainer is getting a FOX show, which is maybe where 
> the Harvey rumor is coming from.

Steve Harvey had a small AP article this week:

<<Harvey Lets Go of WB Show
Wednesday March 27 11:39 AM ET

Comedian Steve Harvey says the reason "The Steve Harvey Show" is off the air 
is very simple: He "didn't want to do it anymore."

He said he only wanted to do five seasons but was talked into adding a 
WB-record sixth season this past year."I told them I would only do 13 
(episodes)," Harvey told The Associated Press.

Harvey said he and Cedric the Entertainer consulted each other and "both 
agreed it was time to do other things" rather than continue for a seventh 
year.

He said that the network kept the show's demise quiet because he walked away 
on his own terms. "But if they cancel you, there will be a great announcement 
about it because they want to tell you who they're putting in your place," 
Harvey added.

Harvey said although the program was a comedy, he made a conscious decision 
not to put anything on the air that would put African Americans in a negative 
light.

"That's my pledge," Harvey said. "That's my pride in my culture and my race 
and the dignity that my father taught me to have.">>

Cedric the Entertainer is shooting the pilot for a sketch/variety show for 
FOX called, cleverly, "Cedric".

TVG


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From: Jon Delfin  <jondelfin@nyc.rr.com>
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 8:29pm
Subject: entertainment tonight on billy wilder

Just fast-forwarded through the Thursday and Friday ET, stopping for the
Dudley Moore, Milton Berle and Billy Wilder stories. The first two got
maybe three minutes combined. "And also, six-time Oscar-winning director
Billy Wilder died." Whew, for a minute I was worried they'd have to bump
the film of Star Jones' birthday party.

Did anyone happen to catch Extra or Access Hollywood? Perhaps they
showed Wilder a little more respect?

Jon

From: TelevisonGrl@aol.com
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 3:43pm
Subject: Re: Remote Patrol: how reading this could ruin your lif e

In a message dated 3/29/2002 6:11:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
mjeffries@k... writes:


> OK--so the headlines are clever.  But I guess it doesn't bother you that all
> of the Post's entertainment coverage that isn't from gossip columns is 
> still
> written like bad gossip columns, with all attractive women referred to on
> second reference as "hot hot hot Julia" or "sexy J-Lo?"  Doesn't the
> studied, Bill O'Reilly-ish "we reflect what real people think about
> television" pose of Adam Buckman and Linda Stasi bug the hell out of you?
> And aren't you bothered by the hypocricy of having conservative columnists
> and editorialists attack pop culture on the editorial and op-ed pages while
> devoting the first 14 pages of the paper to the Oscars on the day 
> after--and
> having a 16-page "fashion pullout" the next day?  If the Post finds pop
> culture so detestable, why do they even bother covering it?  Or do they
> think that the Long Island supermarket checkout girls who buy the paper
> never read the editorial pages and so won't be bothered by this
> inconsistency?
> 

Honestly, I don't give it that much thought.  The Times is the paper I'm 
reading for serious news, the Daily News has a good mix of local coverage, 
gossip/pop culture (though dumping Eric Mink and Mitchell Fink were a bad 
moves).

The Post is what people flip through on the subway home from work.  It is 
what I read at my desk during lunch.  Linda Stasi use to write/edit Page Six 
so I don't expect her reviews to be like Aaron's or any one else doing 
serious criticism.  Adam Buckman's style is in line with the breezy/cheeky 
stuff the rest of the paper does.  The city has Bill Carter, Jim Ruttenberg, 
Steve Battaglio, David Bianculli, Caren James, Marvin Kitman in Newsday and 
Jason Gay in the Observer writing criticism/news -- breezy can work for the 
Post.

As for being bothered by the columnists bemoaning pop culture vs. the paper's 
coverage of it, the NY Times is all for free speech unless you're making a 
campaign commercial (sorry, several jobs ago I worked in political 
advertising and don't like the new law).  Both papers are doing what is in 
their self interest.  

The Post's sales come largely from the newsstand -- big pictures of women in 
evening gowns, pull out sections, whatever, will help sell.  And again, 
looking at the folks on the subway and the railroad at night, it isn't just 
Long Island supermarket check out girls reading.

Finally, the City has a liberal paper in the NY Times, a middle of the road 
paper in the Daily News, the Post (America's longest running paper, founded 
by Alexander Hamiliton) is the city's conservative one.  Everyone is happy.


> And does anybody think that the hardcore conservative readership of the Post
> will desert it in droves when the new right-wing broadsheet the Sun begins
> publishing this year?

The Post will do what the Post always does when other papers try to come to 
the City -- cut the price, get a bit more sensational, steal a couple of good 
sports reporters/writers from the News or Newsday and bring back Wingo.

TVG


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From: clstamper  <clstamper@aol.com>
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 10:08pm
Subject: Re: Criticizing Michael Moore is verboten?

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "pmurray63" <pmurray@b...> wrote:
> --- In tvbarn2@y..., "_Aschwartz" <schwartz@a...> wrote:
> > --- In tvbarn2@y..., The KJB <osiris@i...> wrote:
> > > Criticizing Michael Moore or anyone else is not forbidden on 
the 
> > list and 
> > > never has been as far as I know.  No one ever said it was.  
> You've 
> > said 
> > > what you have to say on the subject.  Move on.
> > > KJB
> > 
> > except aaron. everyone loves aaron.
> 
> No, no, Everybody Loves Raymond.

Seriously, folks, if you want a left-wing gadfly with more substance 
and less hubris than Moore, I suggest one Sam Smith of the 
Progressive Review. He bills himself as "inside the Beltway, out of 
the loop, and ahead of the curve." His analysis is cogent enough that 
one needen't agree with everything he says to appreciate him.

http://prorev.com/indexa.htm#top

Chris

From: timko_steve  <timko_steve@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 10:51pm
Subject: Another obit: Josef Erich Von Stroheim dies

Has a pretty impressive resume, including work on TV's The 
Untouchables and Mission: Impossible.

Sound Editor Josef Erich Von Stroheim, 79, Dies (Los Angeles)
By Dennis McLellan
© 2002, Los Angeles Times
LOS ANGELES — Josef Erich von Stroheim, an award-winning motion 
picture and television sound editor who was also the son of the 
legendary silent film director Erich von Stroheim, has died. He was 
79.
Von Stroheim died March 22 at Valley Presbyterian Hospital in Los 
Angeles of complications from lung cancer.
Among Von Stroheim's motion picture credits are "Day of the 
Dolphin," "Carnal Knowledge," "Blume in Love," "Jeremiah 
Johnson," "The Getaway," "A Star Is Born," "Three Days of the Condor" 
and "Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore."
He also worked on numerous television shows, including "The Cisco 
Kid," "Range Rider," "Wild Bill Hickock" "The Real McCoys," "The 
Untouchables," "Flipper," "Mannix," "Wonder Woman" and "Scarecrow and 
Mrs. King."
Von Stroheim was born in Los Angeles in 1922 and grew up in Bel-Air. 
He entered the motion picture business in 1939 as a still 
photographer in the MGM publicity department, often riding to work in 
the morning with Clark Gable.
But from shooting stars, Von Stroheim's career took a dramatic detour 
during World War II.
After enlisting in the Army in 1942, he served as a combat 
photographer in Europe and later the South Pacific. At war's end, he 
was in Tokyo, where his subjects included Japanese Gen. Hideki Tojo, 
who was later executed for war crimes.
Although the work of combat photographers has been used in countless 
documentaries and history books, they rarely receive credit beyond 
the standard "Army Pictorial Services."
Von Stroheim was a member of the International Combat Camera 
Association, part of whose mission is to lobby film companies for 
individual attribution and to arrange museum exhibits to raise combat 
photographers' public profile.
As a sound editor, Von Stroheim won two Emmys for his work ("QB VII" 
and "The Immortal") and five Motion Picture Sound Editors Golden Reel 
Awards, including for "The Getaway," "Three Days of the Condor" and 
television's "The Untouchables" and "Mission Impossible."
Von Stroheim, who retired in 1988, was a longtime member of the 
Motion Picture Editors Guild board.
"He was one of the top sound editors in the business," said Stanley 
Frazen, former guild president.
"He was born in the business, but he never used his father's name in 
any way to push his own career; a very nice man," said retired film 
editor Dann Cahn.
Von Stroheim is survived by his wife, Harriet; two daughters; and two 
grandchildren.

From: thekid1955@aol.com
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 5:58pm
Subject: Spam Alert (No TV Content, but you may wanna see this)

Hi...

I got this from the moderator of another Yahoo! Group that I belong to (one 
revoving around the Allman Brothers Band).  It seems Yahoo has reset their 
system and with it your e-mail marketing preferences.  You may wish to read 
the below and check your settings out.

Ron Casalotti
Wayne, NJ
----- From the ABBRoadFun Yahoo! Group ----
Message: 8
   Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:47:31 -0000
   From: "pskaytes" <pkaytes@a...>
Subject: spam alert

Yahoo! has changed their privacy policy and marketing rules. You may want to 
re-set your marketing preferences ASAP. Yahoo! changed their policy and 
signed everyone up for ALL of their email lists by default. There are over a 
dozen lists, as well as selections for PHONE and snail mail contact. You can 
change these here: 

http://edit.my.yahoo.com/config/eval_profile   

Click on this link and log in. Then- look in the middle of the page in the 
email address section. There is a link called "Edit your marketing 
preferences". Click on this. You will see about a dozen Yahoo! mailing lists, 
as well as selections for outside mailing lists, phone, and snail mail. By 
default- these are all set to YES.   

They are supposedly sending out messages to everyone, but are saying it may 
take several weeks. In the meain-time, they can happily release your contact 
information to others in accordance with their changed policy.



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From: Jonathan Young  <jyoung@pobox.com>
Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 11:07pm
Subject: re: Spam Alert (No TV Content, but you may wanna see this)

If you're logged in to Yahoo!, going to the following link will opt 
you out of everything:

http://subscribe.yahoo.com/showaccount?.done=&.opt_fe=n&.opt_sh=n&.opt_tr=n&.opt_fi=n&.opt_en=n&.opt_hj=n&.opt_pe=n&.opt_ma=n&.opt_ca=n&.opt_sr=n&.opt_ge=n&.opt_au=n&.opt_bu=n&.opt_offer=n&.em_offer=em&.opt_addr=n&.opt_ph=n&.submit=Save+Changes

You may have to cut and paste a bit there.

From: aargrey  <greyaar@aol.com>
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 9:16am
Subject: Re: entertainment tonight on billy wilder

I think if you're expecting Entertainment Tonight to do anything but 
pay lip service to anybody without a show on the WB or something, 
you're looking in the wrong place. It's Entertainment Tonight.

From: TelevisonGrl@aol.com
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 5:35am
Subject: TCM honors Billy Wilder

11 of his most famous films (but not "Sunset Boulevard") show up on April 
3rd/4th:

http://tv.zap2it.com/news/networkupdate.html?24910

TVG


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From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 11:46am
Subject: Avoiding Yahoo spam

[From a reader:]

Just learned that Yahoogroups added a "marketing" area to everyone's
account.

They set up the default they to say "yes" which means one must
"opt-out" if you don't want to receive e-mail advertising offers, etc.
In other words, they set everyone up to receive spam.

I thought it would be more 'official' if I sent it to you,
and you in turn sent it to the List.

If one doesn't want spam and advertising offers:
the directions to change are that one must change all preferences to
"NO" so you won't receive their advertising.

Go to the Yahoogroups page: http://www.groups.yahoo.com .
Click on Account Info on the top right corner of the screen.
Enter your password when prompted, then below the listing of your
email addresses, click on the link  "Edit Marketing Preferences."
It is set to Yes (which really means,  please send me spam) on every
option.
Set them all to No, if you don't want unwanted mail,
and, note that there are two more towards the
bottom of the page about phone and snail mail spam.
Lastly, click the button to save it.

Cheers,

Meg
(near Seattle)
-- 
TV Barn: http://www.tvbarn.com

From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 11:48am
Subject: re: Spam Alert (No TV Content, but you may wanna see this)

Hey, thanks guys -- next time I'll check the posts first.

>If you're logged in to Yahoo!, going to the following link will opt
>you out of everything:
>
>http://subscribe.yahoo.com/showaccount?.done=&.opt_fe=n&.opt_sh=n&.opt_tr=n&.opt_fi=n&.opt_en=n&.opt_hj=n&.opt_pe=n&.opt_ma=n&.opt_ca=n&.opt_sr=n&.opt_ge=n&.opt_au=n&.opt_bu=n&.opt_offer=n&.em_offer=em&.opt_addr=n&.opt_ph=n&.submit=Save+Changes
>
>You may have to cut and paste a bit there.
>
>
>
>TVBarn2: We're talking TV.
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tvbarn2/messages
>Goodbye: tvbarn2-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

-- 
TV Barn: http://www.tvbarn.com

From: aargrey  <greyaar@aol.com>
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 0:25pm
Subject: Re: Spam Alert (No TV Content, but you may wanna see this)

Wow. Are they ever gonna catch hell for this. Thanks for the heads-up.

From: tomalhe  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 1:53pm
Subject: Remote Patrol: No much, You?

A&E presents "Live by Request Starring Clint Black" (6 PM). As
always, I'll be emailing and calling in to see if he's willing to
perform "Stairway to Heaven." 

Having killed off the Bond Picture Show, ABC still thinks the world
needs saving, and presents George Clooney and Nicole Kidman in "The
Peacemaker" (8 PM). Roger Ebert gave it **1/2, and as usual it was
one of those cases where the review was better than the film. 

If you've missed the first four episodes of the new season of HBO's
"Six Feet Under" (8 PM) tune in for a four hour mini-marathon and
catch up, or depending on your region of the country, "catsup."

Commercials have been touting the NBC premiere of "A Fish Called
Wanda" (8 PM), which has, of course, been on every cable channel
except PAX, and already been on network television several times,
although we're not sure if ABC is considered a network at this point.

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 3:24pm
Subject: RE: Remote Patrol: how reading this could ruin your lif e

> Finally, the City has a liberal paper in the NY Times, a 
> middle of the road 
> paper in the Daily News, the Post (America's longest running 
> paper, founded 
> by Alexander Hamiliton) is the city's conservative one.  
> Everyone is happy.

I guess.  Maybe I'm smug because the Murdoch formula didn't work in Chicago
when he owned the Sun-Times (although the current paper under Conrad Black
is somewhere between the News and the Post in its tone).  Of course,
considering the Post's perennial ad and profitability woes ("But Mr.
Murdoch, you don't understand--your readers are our shoplifters"), could the
Murdoch formula work *anywhere* in the U.S. like it does in England and
Australia?

> > And does anybody think that the hardcore conservative 
> readership of the Post
> > will desert it in droves when the new right-wing broadsheet 
> the Sun begins
> > publishing this year?
> 
> The Post will do what the Post always does when other papers 
> try to come to 
> the City -- cut the price, get a bit more sensational, steal 
> a couple of good 
> sports reporters/writers from the News or Newsday and bring 
> back Wingo.

I don't know how they can cut the price any lower than the current quarter.
The rumblings have been that Murdoch now has a bigger bully pulpit at Fox
News Channel (and a more respectable one at The Weekly Standard) and is not
that concerned with the Post anymore.  So, he's given it to his son to play
with.  The Sun supposedly has pretensions of being more like the Times, just
conservative, so I don't know if the old standbys would work.  However, I
have the feeling that if Lachlan (?) and Col "I Piss in the Conference Room
Kitchen Sink" Allan could get away with it, they'd start doing Page 3 girls
(and promote the hell out of them on Stern and Opie and Anthony).  But I
don't think American conservatism would ever let them get away with it
(there are those on the cultural right who still find Murdoch suspect
because of Fox's programming).

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 4:08pm
Subject: RE: entertainment tonight on billy wilder

> Just fast-forwarded through the Thursday and Friday ET, 
> stopping for the
> Dudley Moore, Milton Berle and Billy Wilder stories. The first two got
> maybe three minutes combined. "And also, six-time 
> Oscar-winning director
> Billy Wilder died." Whew, for a minute I was worried they'd 
> have to bump
> the film of Star Jones' birthday party.

And I have the feeling that Leonard Maltin doesn't even bother chewing out
Linda Bell on this anymore.

For those who are going "who cares--it's 'ET'," back in the old days before
the showrunner of "Hard Copy" took over, "ET" made an effort at covering
things like the death of a film great and Maltin could get a minute or two
to show clips and say why this should matter.  "ET" was never perfect, but
at least they made an effort to give *some* journalistic coverage of the
entertainment industry.  They don't now, and neither does "Access," "Extra"
nor whatever E! calls their half-hour with Steve Kometko and Long-Haired
Large-Breasted Co-Anchor.  At least there was always CNN "Showbiz Today,"
but that's gone now.

Does *anyone* on TV want to try doing serious entertainment coverage again?

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: uncamark2000  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 5:59pm
Subject: Re: Remote Patrol: Gold... fingaaaaaaaaaaaaaaars!

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Jon Delfin <jondelfin@n...> wrote:
> > Speaking of BBCA, today's NY Times has an Arts feature on next
> > weekend's diverse and lengthy John Cleese tribute programming. 
Cleese
> > grumbles he was notified just recently by letter about the whole
> > affair, with no inquiry at all if he might like to comment either 
way
> > or even contribute.
> 
> He'd be more mortified, or something, to learn that the BBCA 
announcer
> doesn't know how to pronounce "Cleese." (It rhymes with "cheese," 
not
> "fleece.")

Maybe if they went back to using *British* announcers who know how to 
pronounce *British* names in their promos.  If British announcers 
didn't test well on focus groups for *BBC* America, can the focus 
group.

Of course, I've never cared for those stupid Union Jack tongue and 
bouncing ball IDs replacing the classic BBC globe hot air balloon, 
but they're getting rid of the balloon in the UK, as well, so...

From: jicarney  <jicarney@localnet.com>
Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 9:22pm
Subject: Re: Spam Alert (No TV Content, but you may wanna see this)

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "aargrey" <greyaar@a...> wrote:
> Wow. Are they ever gonna catch hell for this. Thanks for the heads-
up.


By the way, to tie this back in with TV, kudos to Leo Laporte 
and "The Screen Savers" on the TechTV network for pointing this out 
on their (I think) Thursday show.


John I. Carney  |  jicarney@l...  |  http://jicarney.cjb.net

From: worldbabbaby  <philipa16@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 2:54am
Subject: hi all!

hi all, how was your weekend? im was ok but i had to baby sit for the 
night.

From: Steve Rhodes  <srhodes@well.com>
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 4:52am
Subject: 60 Minutes, Face the Nation

SUNDAY ON FACE THE NATION: This week "Face The Nation" will talk with
Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres and Palestinian Cabinet Minister
Nabil
Shaath, as violence surges in the Middle East.  Are we at the brink of
war,
or is there still a chance for peace?  We'll also hear from
Pennsylvania
Senator Arlen Specter, just back from a visit to the region, and Senate
Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Joseph Biden on what steps the US
should take in this crisis.  Gloria Borger also joins us.

SUNDAY ON 60 MINUTES:

ARIEL SHARON - Can there ever be peace between Israelis and
Palestinians,
especially after the latest deadly suicide bombing? Lesley Stahl asks
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

AND THE WINNER IS -- Ed Bradley profiles Denzel Washington, who just
became
the first African-American to win the best actor Oscar in decades.

ALL IN THE FAMILY -- Perhaps the most state-of-the-art and humane way
to
treat the mentally ill can be found in Geel, Belgium, where families
take
them into their homes and hearts. Morley Safer reports.

----------------------------- 
  Steve Rhodes
http://www.well.com/~srhodes

contributor to
http://www.tvbarn.com http://www.tvbarn.com/docs/- Docs on TV

From: tomalhe  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 6:02pm
Subject: Remote Patrol : The Eggs Files

"It's Easter and you're going to watch ABC's 'The Ten Commandments'
(7 PM) and like it, young man!" "Aw, Mom."

E! Ranks "The Top 20 sitcoms we secretly love" (7 PM), guilty
pleasures like ALF. Bring on that ALF talk show now, gosh dangit!


On FOX's King of the Hill (7:30 PM) Peggy gets milk. Neighbor Kahn
gets an SUV, and neurotic Bill may have been the subject of secret
military vitamin testing. You know, same old, same old. 

FX offers "Big Shot: Confessions of a Campus Bookie," (8 PM) an
action-packed (well, for FX) TV-movie about illegal gambling and
point shaving in the world of college basketball. Or, you would be
watching actual college basketball and trying to win your office
pool. 

WE: Women's Entertainment counts its chicks from when they hatched
with "When I Was A Girl" (8 PM), a look back at what made Candice
Bergen, Edie Falco, Sally Ride, Wendie Malick, Gillian Anderson,
Denyce Graves, Dee Dee Myers and Lisa Leslie the women that they are.
Produced by Linda Ellerbee, narrated by Stockard Channing. 

The addition of classic Saturday Night Live episodes to the E!
lineup, is enough of a reason to launch "TV Tales" (8 PM), yet
another behind the scenes expose series, and complaining about their
former coworkers tonight are Lorne, Chevy, Al, Victoria, Kevin, and
Joe (Piscopo).

Paul Reiser "stars" in Showtime's "Strange Relations" (8 PM), which
offers two sets of news for Reiser's headshrinker. A) You've got
leukemia, B) oh and you're adopted too. Cue violins.

The Discovery Channel somehow seems to think the holiday is about
Jesus not Moses, and presents the three hour documentary "Jesus: The
Complete Story" (8 PM). With computer models on the real face of the
Lord, and simulations of the Middle East two millennia ago. (Hint:
more sand.)

Sure you're supposed to send 68 cents a day to Sally Struthers for
your needy orphan, but it seems Lisa decided to check on hers via
long distance phone call on tonight's FOX "The Simpsons" (8 PM). And
the poor/middle class family somehow has enough cash to make a trip
to Rio.

Anyone ever figure out why "Sesame Street" had to be edgier? FOX's
"Greg the Bunny" (8:30 PM) spoofs that decision tonight with a hipper
/ hopper version of "SweetKnuckle Junction." 

Something something old case, something something Agent Doggett,
something something serial killer, FOX's "The X-Files" (9 PM).

CBS offers "Analyze This" (9 PM), a film I was actually quite bored
by.  Wow, Robert Deniro as the Robert Deniro guy and Billy Crystal as
the Billy Crystal guy. So you can imagine how thrilled I was when I
hears they were making a sequel called "Analyze That." <Grimace.>

Nothing says Easter like the murder of a bisexual woman by a copycat
serial killer, and NBC's "Law & Order: Criminal Intent" has it for ya
(9 PM). Died eggs, perhaps? 

Hey, remember that other wacky dictator Slobodan Milosevic? PBS does
and presents "Bringing Down a Dictator," (10 PM) narrated by
President Bartlett. 

Lifetime's "The Division" (9 PM) goes Behind The Music, with the
murder of an 80s rock star who managed to give up the drugs and rock
'n' roll, but not the sex, and was exploiting his former fame to pick
up chicks at AA meetings. So much for anonymity. 

VH1 names Bob Marley's "Legend" as one of the "Ultimate Albums" (9
PM). 

Who are "The Weakest Olympians?" Anne Robinson has several to chose
from on yet another celeb edition of NBC's "The Weakest Link (8 PM):
Jim Shea, Ross Powers, Tristan Gale, Derek Parra, Casey FitzRandolph,
Jean Racine, Jonny "Big Airhead" Moseley and Kari Erickson.

On HBO's "Six Feet Under" (9 PM) Mama Ruth worries about a dead women
with no friends or family, Brenda takes an unhealthy interest in one
of her massage clients work -- prostitution, and yes, this means
another twist in her relationship with Nate. The course of casual sex
/ neediness / mental health problems never runs true. 

On the Easter episode of Showtime's "Queer as Folk" (10 PM), the
lesbians are getting married (<Shatner voice on> OR ARE THEY?
</Shatner voice off> only Mystic Marilyn knows for sure; Uncle Vic
returns to baking; and Emmett may finally be able to afford
buttock-augmentation. Share it with someone you love. 

HBO presents "Murder on a Sunday Morning," (10 PM) the Academy Award
winner for best documentary feature. Don't worry about remembering
it, they gave that one out during the hour you slept through. And
about a black teenager who was accused (ALL TOGETHER NOW) of a crime
he did not commit. 


UNNECESSARY GUEST STAR PATROL 
CBS "I Can't Believe Max Bickford Is Still On" (8 PM), James
Naughton. Plot: should hate speech be allowed on campus? Max says ...
yes? 

Showtime's "The Chris Isaak Show" (10:45-ish, but usually more like
10:50 PM) Sophie B. Hawkins. Plot: Will Sophie steal a woman Chris
has his eyes on?

From: symposium1@aol.com
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 1:11pm
Subject: Re: Remote Patrol : The Eggs Files

In a message dated 3/31/02 19:03:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, tomalhe@a... 
writes:


> CBS offers "Analyze This" (9 PM), a film I was actually quite bored
> by.  Wow, Robert Deniro as the Robert Deniro guy and Billy Crystal as
> the Billy Crystal guy. So you can imagine how thrilled I was when I
> hears they were making a sequel called "Analyze That." <Grimace.>

Ah, but,  Tom, it *did* spawn a rather fascinating segment on public radio's 
"This American Life": how a guy with a small part in that movie convinced an 
entire small town that he was an ex-mobster turned movie star who was going 
to make a big movie in their burgh. From "The Three Kinds of Deception," 
broadcast 1/25/02:

http://www.thislife.org/ra/173.ram

Frankly, I plan to tune into the broadcast only long enough to see who this 
guy is.

--Ann
_________________________________________________
Ann Carrigan
symposium1@a...



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From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 8:47pm
Subject: 'Dexter's Lab' gone to crap

[Someone posted this on the ECHO bulletin board. First I'd heard of it:]

  i was so excited to see that there were new episodes
  of _dexter's lab_ airing.  imagine my chagrin when
  i found that not only were genndy tartakovsky and
  craig mccracken nowhere to be found, but that neither
  was christine cavanaugh, the original voice of dexter!
  dee dee's voice has changed, too, and the character
  designs are quite different.  i watched, i think, four
  cartoons, and found the storylines relying far more
  on grossness (bathroom humor, hairy moles, etc.) than
  on cleverness.  a BIG disappointment.  i won't be
  watching it again.

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From: gjangelo  <gjangelo@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 9:18pm
Subject: DVS logo on Simpsons, but no DVS!

I'm aware that  an FCC ruling states that the "big four" must start 
DVS-describing 50 hours of programming per quarter, effective April 1, 2002.

The 03/31/02 Simpsons LOOKED like they got a jump start, but apparently 
they were just testing the logo. :) No DVS on the SAP audio track. (I get my 
top-25 market fox station via antenna, so I can't blame a cable/satellite 
operator for dropping the subcarrier(?). )

From: Jonathan Young  <jyoung@pobox.com>
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 9:20pm
Subject: re: 'Dexter's Lab' gone to crap

>  [Someone posted this on the ECHO bulletin board. First I'd heard of it:]
>
>    i was so excited to see that there were new episodes
>    of _dexter's lab_ airing.  imagine my chagrin when
>    i found that not only were genndy tartakovsky and
>    craig mccracken nowhere to be found, but that neither
>    was christine cavanaugh, the original voice of dexter!
>    dee dee's voice has changed, too, and the character
>    designs are quite different.  i watched, i think, four
>    cartoons, and found the storylines relying far more
>    on grossness (bathroom humor, hairy moles, etc.) than
>    on cleverness.  a BIG disappointment.  i won't be
>    watching it again.

I noticed the different voices too. I assumed that Tartakovsky and 
McCracken were off doing "Samurai Jack" and "The Powerpuff Girls," 
respectively.

But there was that whole segment with Martin Mull and Fred Willard as 
the robots M.A.R.-10 and FRED. I still haven't decided if that's a 
good thing or not.

-jon

From: Wes McGee  <DavenportIAS@netscape.net>
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 9:30pm
Subject: Re: 'Dexter's Lab' gone to crap

I figured the new crew was introduced because Craig was off doing the 
PPG movie and Gennedy had work to do on Samurai Jack.  I was off put by 
the new designs (looks like they brought the comic book artists to do 
the designs) but of the one new episode I saw, I thought the writing was 
still spot on. That was the ep where Dexter is admitted into college and 
is corrupted by the party atmosphere. It mirrored my first year almost 
to a tee.

--Wesley McGee

aaron@t... wrote:

>[Someone posted this on the ECHO bulletin board. First I'd heard of it:]
>
>  i was so excited to see that there were new episodes
>  of _dexter's lab_ airing.  imagine my chagrin when
>  i found that not only were genndy tartakovsky and
>  craig mccracken nowhere to be found, but that neither
>  was christine cavanaugh, the original voice of dexter!
>  dee dee's voice has changed, too, and the character
>  designs are quite different.  i watched, i think, four
>  cartoons, and found the storylines relying far more
>  on grossness (bathroom humor, hairy moles, etc.) than
>  on cleverness.  a BIG disappointment.  i won't be
>  watching it again.
>

From: Wes McGee  <DavenportIAS@netscape.net>
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 9:32pm
Subject: Re: DVS logo on Simpsons, but no DVS!

I missed that -- You know any other show that are going to do this -- 
and how will this impact the practice of placing Spanish audio on the 
SAP channel? --Wesley McGee

gjangelo@y... wrote:

>I'm aware that  an FCC ruling states that the "big four" must start 
>DVS-describing 50 hours of programming per quarter, effective April 1, 2002.
>
>The 03/31/02 Simpsons LOOKED like they got a jump start, but apparently 
>they were just testing the logo. :) No DVS on the SAP audio track. (I get my 
>top-25 market fox station via antenna, so I can't blame a cable/satellite 
>operator for dropping the subcarrier(?). )
>
>
>
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> 
>
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>
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From: Nichols, Gary  <gnichols@wfaanews.com>
Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 10:44pm
Subject: Obit: Ed Turner

Ed Turner
   ATLANTA (AP) -- Ed Turner, who helped establish CNN as a major 
news organization, died Saturday in Washington, D.C., after 
battling liver cancer. He was 66. 
   Turner was hired in 1980 as one of the first news professionals 
brought into the company. The fact that he coincidentally shared 
the last name of founder Ted Turner earned him the nickname "No 
Relation" Turner, which he had printed on matchbooks he 
distributed from his office, CNN Miami Bureau Chief John Zarella 
said. 
   Turner retired in 1998 as vice president in charge of 
newsgathering and tried unsuccessfully to launch California News 
Service, a smaller version of CNN. He worked for the Freedom Forum, 
a nonprofit journalism organization, and had been co-writing a 
history of CNN with former correspondent Peter Arnett. 
   Turner was born in Bartlesville, Okla., in 1935 and graduated 
with a journalism degree from the University of Oklahoma in 1957. 
   He joined KWTV, the CBS affiliate in Oklahoma City, as a 
reporter and anchor two years later. He left the local station in 
1966 to work as a producer for "CBS Morning News," but returned 
to KWTV and served as the station's vice president and news 
director from 1978 to 1979. 
   After leaving Oklahoma, Turner worked for WTTG in Washington, 
where he introduced a 10 o'clock evening newscast -- an hour earlier 
than most late-night news programs. 
   Turner spoke of starting CNN as a risk that was too exciting to 
pass up. 
   "It was a crusade, absolutely," Turner once told a University 
of Oklahoma magazine. "No one knew whether it would work, but the 
challenge was too great not to have a go at it." 
   




 


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From: Anthony Foglia  <afoglia@physics.ucsb.edu>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 0:07am
Subject: TNN's Missing Bar

So, I was flipping through the channels Saturday afternoon and
noticed TNN was not showing their annoying black bar at the bottom of the
screen.  ("Dear God Almighty, how will I know what show I'm watching?!")
What was the show that deserved bar-free near-pristine treatment?

	"Trucks."  Truck repair/restoration/appreciation.

	Can't say TNN doesn't know their audience...

--Anthony

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-Isaac Asimov, science-fiction writer (1920-1992)

From: Anthony Foglia  <afoglia@physics.ucsb.edu>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 0:12am
Subject: Sports Tickers and Ad Rates

I put a link to this story from USA Today about ESPN's new tactic
of running their sports ticker during the commercials.  Interestingly, in
the story, the president of a group of advertisers hints buyers might ask
for a lower price; "Since they're only getting 90% of the screen, they
might want to only pay 90% of the price."

	If I was ESPN, I'd make the case that more people will be paying
attention during the ads, therefore buyers should be paying a higher rate.

--Anthony

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it'll never come right at ya." -- Greg Proops

From: davenportias  <DavenportIAS@netscape.net>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 1:03am
Subject: Re: TNN's Missing Bar

You know, that stupid bar would be useful at another one of Viacom's
properties -- MTV (or VH1).

You know, on that rare occassion that MTV decides to air a music video
-- as filler inbetween Real World reruns and that docudrama with that
weird Osbourne lad -- they could use that device to tell me who the
artist is or what song is playing. That way if I turn in to a song
midway through, I can see the name and commit to memory so I know to
avoid it, without suffering through it in its entirity.

And in the case of the VH1's morning program, I know they can find
space in all of that visual clutter for this. Hell, do we really need
a  static vertical ad (that's right, advertisement) taking up 20% of
the righthand side of the screen. VH1 manages to be worse than CNN's
Headline News; at least Headline News obliterates the screen using
useful info.

Wesley McGee

--- In TVBarn2, Anthony Foglia wrote:
> 	So, I was flipping through the channels Saturday afternoon and
> noticed TNN was not showing their annoying black bar at the bottom
of the
> screen.  ("Dear God Almighty, how will I know what show I'm watching?!")
> What was the show that deserved bar-free near-pristine treatment?
> 
> 	"Trucks."  Truck repair/restoration/appreciation.
> 
> 	Can't say TNN doesn't know their audience...
> 
> --Anthony
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's
troublesome.
> -Isaac Asimov, science-fiction writer (1920-1992)

From: Keith Privett  <Keith@PRIVETT.COM>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 1:56am
Subject: Re: Sports Tickers and Ad Rates

Agreed.

Now of course, if that argument can be made to the Weather Channel. With the
data ticker seemingly running only 3 out of 10 minutes now, it's very
irritating. Honestly, the 1972 technology it replaced (a camera panning back
and forth across basic weather instruments) seems more efficient than the
current setup for day to day use.

--- Anthony Foglia <afoglia@p...> wrote:
> 	I put a link to this story from USA Today about ESPN's new tactic
> of running their sports ticker during the commercials.  Interestingly, in
> the story, the president of a group of advertisers hints buyers might ask
> for a lower price; "Since they're only getting 90% of the screen, they
> might want to only pay 90% of the price."
> 
> 	If I was ESPN, I'd make the case that more people will be paying
> attention during the ads, therefore buyers should be paying a higher rate.
> 
> --Anthony
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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> it'll never come right at ya." -- Greg Proops
> 
> 
> 
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From: Doug Eastick  <wumba_man@yahoo.ca>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 6:47am
Subject: Re: Obit: Ed Turner

First, I thought this was about the main man, Ted Turner.

Second, I thought it was a looF lirpA thing.

On third thought, I guess a fake obit would be a funny as tanks in
Bethlehem at Easter.



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From: tomalhe  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 6:58am
Subject: Remote Patrol: no foolin'

KID STUFF 
Noggin, the cable child of Sesame Workshop (formerly the Children's
Television Workshop) and Nickelodeon launches a few changes today,
including "Play With Me Sesame" (9 AM), devoted to the hip edgy new
material for even younger audiences than Sesame Streets. "Ernie's
segment Ernie Says (a la Simon Says), gets kids playing along right
from the start. Bert invites kids to play on the computer, creating
oatmeal art, playing pigeon patterns and matching and sorting socks.
Prairie Dawn hosts an art show of kids drawings. Grover's Move and
Groove with Grover, gets kids singing and dancing to classic Sesame
Street songs." 

Later, the channel goes for a slightly older audience with a teen
lineup dubbed "The N."

Life switching reality series "A Walk in Your Shoes" (8 PM) kicks off
with a wannabe country singer and a wanna be rap singer trade lives. 

Melissa Joan Hart's "Clarissa Explains It All" follows (8:30 PM), 
Canada's "Degrassi: The Next Generation" (9 PM) featuring several
original '80s Degrassi stars (now as parents) kicks off with a
brother and sister scheming to win a school election, Canadian
boarding school drama "24Seven" (9:30 PM) and New Zealand's
Clarissa-ish sitcom "Being Eve" (10 PM). 



THE USUAL SUSPECTS

CNN's "Crossfire" (7 PM) gets an overhaul with James Carville and
Paul Begalla coming aboard, the show expanding to an hour, and the
combatants slugging it out in front of a live studio audience at
George Washington University. 

Aside from cutting the episodes down to an hour, E! is screwing up
its presentation of "classic" "Saturday Night Live" (7 PM) by not
showing them in chronological order, and it seems going for the same
old highlights episodes with this weeks jumbled mess of airings
providing plenty of Blues Brothers, Steve Martin, and Richard Pryor
calling Chevy Chase a honky. 

It's a white Christmas all evening on UPN, meaning all its black
shows are reruns. 

NBC tries to revive the Olympics for one night only with Canada's
Jamie Sale and David Pelletier lacing up alongside Russia's Anton
Sikharulidze and Elena Berezhnaya for NBC's "Shared Gold: Skating
Champions Return to the Ice" (8 PM). It's enough to make me long for
"Fear Factor's" chicken-fetus eating contestants.

TLC's "Code Blue" (8 PM) returns for a second season of reality at an
ER in Georgia. 

ABC's "The Bachelor" (8 PM) narrows the field down to 8 honeys
currently living with him in Malibu on tonight's creepy reality
marriage series. 

CBS "Baby Bob" (8:30 PM) becomes a spy at an art gallery. Yes, that's
right, the talking baby is a spy at an art gallery. What part don't
you believe?

PBS "Masterpiece Theatre" (9 PM) looks at "The Way We Live Now" with
2 hours of eight from Anthony Trollope's novel about a shady railroad
scheme. 

On FOX's "American Embassy" (9 PM) our flighty heroine wonders if her
ex-fiancé, may have been playing with her heart to win a green
card, since you know, that would be like so totally unethical.  

Did the NYPD kill one of their own on NBC's "Third Watch" (9 PM).
Probably not. 

Was a hockey star violent enough to kill three people on NBC's
"Crossing Jordan" (10 PM). Maybe.

UNNECESSARY GUEST STAR PATROL 
ABC's "Once and Again: The Final Chapters" (10 PM) Eric Stolz. Plot:
Grace is dating her drama teacher, which is always a good idea.

TALK TALK 
"The View" may not be A, but it at times E. A&E begins airing
next-day repeats of Barbra Wawa et al. (1 PM & 7 PM).

Regis and Kelly meet Jennifer Tilly, Vanessa Carlton, and Andy Dick. 
Rosie meets Andie MacDowell, Christine Ebersole, and Terry Farrell.
Paula Zahn synergistically visits Paula Zahn.
Dave has Marv Albert and "NYPD Blue" / "The Heights" / "The Five Mrs.
Bucchanans" / "Days of Our Lives" star Charlotte Ross. 
Jay has Bill Paxton, Tara Reid and Nappy Roots. 
Craiggers offers Dennis Farina, model Kiana Tom, and Phantom Planet. 
Conan has Nathan Lane, John Miller, Shannon McNally.
Bill Maher hosts Jay Mohr, Barney Frank, Giselle Fernandez, and
Pacific Research Institute President Sally Pipes. 
Carson chats with Harland Williams, and listens to Face to Face.

From: davenportias  <DavenportIAS@netscape.net>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 7:02am
Subject: Re: TNN's Missing Bar

And this morning, VH1 decides to regain it's sanity and drop all of 
the clutter from their "Jump Start" program (except for a little text 
crawl), once again causing me to play the fool. --Wesley McGee

--- In TVBarn2, Wes McGee wrote:
> ...And in the case of the VH1's morning program, I know they can 
find
> space in all of that visual clutter for this. Hell, do we really 
need
> a  static vertical ad (that's right, advertisement) taking up 20% of
> the righthand side of the screen. VH1 manages to be worse than CNN's
> Headline News; at least Headline News obliterates the screen using
> useful info.
> 
> Wesley McGee
> 
> --- In TVBarn2, Anthony Foglia wrote:
> > 	So, I was flipping through the channels Saturday afternoon and
> > noticed TNN was not showing their annoying black bar at the bottom
> of the
> > screen.  ("Dear God Almighty, how will I know what show I'm 
watching?!")
> > What was the show that deserved bar-free near-pristine treatment?
> > 
> > 	"Trucks."  Truck repair/restoration/appreciation.
> > 
> > 	Can't say TNN doesn't know their audience...
> > 
> > --Anthony
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
-
> > Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's
> troublesome.
> > -Isaac Asimov, science-fiction writer (1920-1992)

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 2:26am
Subject: Who would ever sell a Whammy?

Game Show Network Promotes ``Whammy! The All New Press Your Luck''
  
CULVER CITY, Calif.--(ENTERTAINMENT WIRE)--April 1, 2002--Game Show Network: 

--  "Big Bucks and More Big Bucks" On-Air and Interactive Marketing Campaigns 
to Coincide With Launch of New Series on April 15, 2002 

--  Network Partners With Spencer Gifts for In-Store Promotion 

--  Game Show Network Ad Sales Announces Sponsorship With Burger King and M&
M's 

Game Show Network is further encouraging audience participation with a 
consumer marketing campaign that offers the chance for viewers and on-line 
users to play interactively and win cash and prizes to coincide with the 
launch of the network's new original series "Whammy! 

-- The All New Press Your Luck," which premieres at 10:00 p.m. ET/ 7:00 p.m. 
PT on April 15, 2002. The 24-hour cable channel devoted to game shows and 
interactive game play is promoting its "Big Bucks and More Big Bucks" 
sweepstakes which is designed to get audiences excited about the launch of 
"Whammy!..." and to encourage them to play the sweepstakes interactively. 

"Whammy!..." is a high-energy game of luck and skill where three contestants 
compete to earn spins on the Big Board and win "big bucks," all while trying 
to avoid "the Whammy" which takes away their cash and prizes. 

The "Big Bucks and More Big Bucks" sweepstakes begin at 10:00 p.m. ET/ 7:00 
p.m. PT on Monday, April 15 and end at 1:30 a.m. ET on April 20/ 10:30 p.m. 
PT on April 19. Each time a viewer plays along between the designated days, 
they will be entered into a sweepstakes for their chance to win the grand 
prize of $5,000. For secondary prizes, Game Show Network will use a play on 
words and give away "big buck" deer decoys and "white buck" shoes! Viewers 
and users can play along on their PC or Mac or via their set top box carried 
on MSNTV or AOL TV platforms. 

"We're excited about the many different ways we are planning to market 
`Whammy!...,'" said Dena Kaplan, senior vice president marketing Game Show 
Network. The combination of our innovative advertising campaign, along with 
the various promotional and publicity opportunities will help reach the 
largest possible audience for both the network and specifically the show." 

Beginning on April 3, Game Show Network will run on-air promotional spots 
through the start of the sweepstakes on April 15 to the end date of April 20 
ET/ April 19 PT. The spots encourage viewers to visit www.gameshownetwork.com 
and play along with "Whammy! -- The All New Press Your Luck" interactively 
during any of the three times the show airs Monday through Friday at 10:00 
p.m. ET/ 7:00 p.m. PT, repeating at 1:00 a.m. ET/ 10:00 p.m. PT and 3:00 p.m. 
ET/ 12:00 p.m. PT. 

"Whammy!..." will also be advertised in and around New York City for the 
advertising upfront in April. "Whammy" signage will be on telephone kiosks 
outside advertising agencies, on buses, as well as on commuter rail cards in 
commuter trains. 

Game Show Network's Ad Sales team has also closed deals with Burger King and 
M&M's. Burger King is the official sponsor of the "Big Bucks and More Big 
Bucks" sweepstakes, while M&M's will have product placement and show prizing. 


Concurrently, Game Show Network is launching a viral marketing campaign on 
April 1 to promote tune-in of the "Whammy!..." premiere and the "Big Bucks 
and More Big Bucks" sweepstakes via email to the network's growing database. 

Additionally, Game Show Network and Spencer Gifts, a leading distributor of 
"fun gifts," have partnered for a national in-store marketing campaign to 
promote tune-in of Game Show Network programs, with a forefront focus on the 
launch of "Whammy!..." Beginning April 23, Todd Newton and "the Whammy" will 
be featured along with other game show legends like Bob Eubanks and Monty 
Hall on "Collectible Game Show Host Cards" at Spencer Gifts. Customers who 
purchase merchandise of $30 receive a $5 coupon and a Game Show Network 
Collectors Card. The promotion will be publicized in the 700 stores 
nationwide and in Canada, with Game Show Network receiving 132 million 
impressions and over 100,000 Cards distributed across North America. Campaign 
promotion will be made through direct mail and email messages, as well as 
window signage, blade signs and tenting and 15-second squeeze backs on Game 
Show Network. For more information on this promotion, participants can go to 
the nearest Spencer Gifts store for details or online at www.Spencergifts.com 
or www.gameshownetwork.com/spencer.

From: gjangelo  <gjangelo@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 7:29am
Subject: Re: DVS logo on Simpsons, but no DVS!

I took a picture and added it to the photos section of this yahoo 
group.

"You know any other show that are going to do this"

Nope. but 50 hours per quarter is roughly 4 hours per week. Look for 
it to be on each network's more popular pre-taped shows. Simpsons 
seems to be an odd choice, since it is rather fast paced, and relys 
on visual jokes. I can definitely see "24" and "Boston Public" being 
DVS-ed, since the settings change less and there are dialog silences 
which allows more time to 'narrate'.

"and how will this impact the practice of placing Spanish audio on 
the SAP channel?"

My guess is that they'll juggle the two until Digital TV 
transmissions allow for 6 "multicasts".

From: gjangelo  <gjangelo@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 7:46am
Subject: solution to the TNN bar and other logo clutter?

Start "grassroots" movement and let channels know that they should 
offer TWO feeds of their channel....

One with all the clutter for broadcast or analog cable; and a second 
free of clutter for satellite and digital cable which offers onscreen 
info.

a good compromise?

From: Roger Winston  <rwinston@tde.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 8:01am
Subject: Re: DVS logo on Simpsons, but no DVS!

At Monday 4/1/2002 03:18 AM +0000, gjangelo wrote:

>I'm aware that  an FCC ruling states that the "big four" must start
>DVS-describing 50 hours of programming per quarter, effective April 1, 2002.
>
>The 03/31/02 Simpsons LOOKED like they got a jump start, but apparently
>they were just testing the logo. :) No DVS on the SAP audio track. (I get my
>top-25 market fox station via antenna, so I can't blame a cable/satellite
>operator for dropping the subcarrier(?). )

If, like me, you had never heard of DVS (Descriptive Video Service) before 
reading this message, you can read an explanation of it at:

http://main.wgbh.org/wgbh/access/dvs/index.html

Latre.   --Rog

From: Doug Eastick  <wumba_man@yahoo.ca>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 8:11am
Subject: Television City Chronicle

Saw this link from the main tvbarn page.  Excellent work for the first
day of April.

http://www.teevee.org/archive/2002/04/01/

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From: Aaron Barnhart  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 8:59am
Subject: Re: 'Dexter's Lab' gone to crap

If they were off doing a movie, I'd think CN would wait for them to 
finish.  after all, it's not like they're averse to running another 
year of repeats.

>I figured the new crew was introduced because Craig was off doing the
>PPG movie and Gennedy had work to do on Samurai Jack.  I was off put by
>the new designs (looks like they brought the comic book artists to do
>the designs) but of the one new episode I saw, I thought the writing was
>still spot on. That was the ep where Dexter is admitted into college and
>is corrupted by the party atmosphere. It mirrored my first year almost
>to a tee.
>
>--Wesley McGee
>
>aaron@t... wrote:
>
>>[Someone posted this on the ECHO bulletin board. First I'd heard of it:]
>>
>>   i was so excited to see that there were new episodes
>>   of _dexter's lab_ airing.  imagine my chagrin when
>>   i found that not only were genndy tartakovsky and
>>   craig mccracken nowhere to be found, but that neither
>>   was christine cavanaugh, the original voice of dexter!
>>   dee dee's voice has changed, too, and the character
>>   designs are quite different.  i watched, i think, four
>>   cartoons, and found the storylines relying far more
>>   on grossness (bathroom humor, hairy moles, etc.) than
>>   on cleverness.  a BIG disappointment.  i won't be
>>   watching it again.
>>
>
>
>
>
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From: Wes McGee  <DavenportIAS@netscape.net>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 10:57am
Subject: Re: 'Dexter's Lab' gone to crap

In the case of Dexter, I believe it's because Gennedy is busy with 
Samurai Jack more than anything else (which is now spawning talk of not 
only it's own animated movie, but a live-action one directed by Brett 
Ratner.). Anyway, Dex's Lab and PPG are marquee shows for Cartoon 
Network. They pull in the ratings, so CN is probably going to continue 
OKing new eps under Chris Savino. PPG has been in reruns a bit more, but 
they manage to sneak in a new ep every so often.

Also, Savino posted to a Dexter's Lab news group a few months back 
explaining the new designs were needed to make the characters look more 
uniform compared to each other. -- Wesley McGee

aaron@t... wrote:

>If they were off doing a movie, I'd think CN would wait for them to 
>finish.  after all, it's not like they're averse to running another 
>year of repeats.
>
>>I figured the new crew was introduced because Craig was off doing the
>>PPG movie and Gennedy had work to do on Samurai Jack.
>>

From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 11:10am
Subject: 'On the Record w/Costas' guests

The guests on HBO's ON THE RECORD WITH BOB COSTAS, airing this
  Thursday, April 4 at 10:30 p.m. ET/PT & 9:30 p.m. CT are:

Athlete/ activist/ actor Jim Brown, who speaks with Costas from the Ventura
County Calif. prison where he began serving a six-month sentence on March 13.
Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig on the national pastime.
Actress Lorraine Bracco.
-- 
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From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 11:12am
Subject: 'Andy Richter' double-run

ENCORES OF 'ANDY RICHTER CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE'
TO AIR THURSDAYS IN APRIL

Building on the momentum of ANDY RICHTER CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE's time 
period-winning broadcasts on Tuesday, March 19, and Tuesday, March 
26, FOX will give the series' episodes a second airing the week 
following their first runs.  Encores of the comedy will air 
Thursdays, April 4, 11 and 18 (9:30-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX.

ANDY RICHTER CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE's regular time period is Tuesdays 
(8:30-9:00 PM ET/PT).

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From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 11:14am
Subject: '50 Years of NBC Late Night'

[Kinda interesting how they're not mentioning the fact this program 
already aired last fall.]

From: marc.liepis@n...
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:01:04 -0500 (EST)
To: aaron@t...
Subject: 50 YEARS OF NBC LATE NIGHT - APRIL 7



	FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

	Contact:
	Marc Liepis
	212-664-5424
	marc.liepis@n...


	NBC TO SHOW VIEWERS HOW THE "LATE NIGHT WARS" STARTED
WITH "50 YEARS OF NBC LATE NIGHT" SPECIAL SUNDAY, APRIL 7


	As part of NBC's upcoming 75th Anniversary celebration, the 
network will air the special "50 Years of NBC Late Night" on Sunday, 
April 7 (9 p.m. to 11p.m.).  The special hosted by "Late Night" host 
Conan O'Brien will take viewers to the beginnings of the most talked 
about daypart in television.

Late night television has made headlines in the past few weeks, 
revealing its unique place in American pop culture.  "50 Years of NBC 
Late Night" celebrates the funniest and most controversial moments 
that have kept America awake and laughing into the night - saluting 
late night television as the place where rules are made to be broken, 
comedy legends are born and the unexpected is a regular occurrence. 
The special will include rare footage, not seen since its original 
broadcasts - as well as some bonus footage not seen in the original 
telecast.

The special will trace late night's beginnings from Broadway Open 
House in 1950, to the Tonight Show and its four hosts - Steve Allen, 
Jack Paar, Johnny Carson and Jay Leno...as well as showing vintage 
"Late Night with David Letterman" footage from his run on NBC and of 
course, highlights from O'Brien's nearly ten year tenure at "Late 
Night."  In addition, the special will include moments from "Tomorrow 
with Tom Snyder" and "Later with Bob Costas" as well as a nod to 
"Saturday Night Live."

Among the many famous faces Late night would be nothing without its 
guest stars and the special features early appearances of some of 
today's biggest stars including Drew Barrymore, Eddie Murphy and 
Jerry Seinfeld as well as uproarious moments with such Hollywood 
heavyweights and legends as Madonna, Cher, Richard Pryor, Jennifer 
Lopez, Tom Hanks, Chris Rock, Adam Sandler, Arnold Schwarzenegger, 
Will Ferrell as well as the unforgettable "What were you thinking?" 
Leno appearance of Hugh Grant.

"50 Years of NBC Late Night" is from Conaco and NBC Studios and is 
executive produced by Lorne Michaels.  Jeff Ross and Andrew Solt are 
the co-executive producers.

From: rcurrlin  <rcurrlin@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 0:04pm
Subject: Re: '50 Years of NBC Late Night'

I think about a year ago NBC said it would no longer list original 
air dates in press releases for rerun telecasts. This in an attempt 
to confound the lazier TV writers and editors regarding what's new or 
not. I dont think it works, because when a press release is issued 
for a first run telecast, it's plainly touted as such.

--roy


 In tvbarn2@y..., Aaron Barnhart/Star <aaron@t...> wrote:
> [Kinda interesting how they're not mentioning the fact this program 
> already aired last fall.]
> 
> From: marc.liepis@n...
> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:01:04 -0500 (EST)
> To: aaron@t...
> Subject: 50 YEARS OF NBC LATE NIGHT - APRIL 7
> 
> 
> 
> 	FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> 
> 	Contact:
> 	Marc Liepis
> 	212-664-5424
> 	marc.liepis@n...
> 
> 
> 	NBC TO SHOW VIEWERS HOW THE "LATE NIGHT WARS" STARTED
> WITH "50 YEARS OF NBC LATE NIGHT" SPECIAL SUNDAY, APRIL 7
> 
> 
> 	As part of NBC's upcoming 75th Anniversary celebration, the 
> network will air the special "50 Years of NBC Late Night" on 
Sunday, 
> April 7 (9 p.m. to 11p.m.).  The special hosted by "Late Night" 
host 
> Conan O'Brien will take viewers to the beginnings of the most 
talked 
> about daypart in television.
>

From: Leo, Gerald  <gerald.leo@vh1staff.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 0:07pm
Subject: RE: Re: '50 Years of NBC Late Night'

Roy,
How are you?
So go to the NBC75th site on the web for the gallery, window saver etc.
Did you see the list of specials under the umbrella?
Still no word here on the Deb replacement.  
- Jerry  

-----Original Message-----
From: rcurrlin [mailto:rcurrlin@y...]
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 1:05 PM
To: tvbarn2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tvbarn2] Re: '50 Years of NBC Late Night'


I think about a year ago NBC said it would no longer list original 
air dates in press releases for rerun telecasts. This in an attempt 
to confound the lazier TV writers and editors regarding what's new or 
not. I dont think it works, because when a press release is issued 
for a first run telecast, it's plainly touted as such.

--roy


 In tvbarn2@y..., Aaron Barnhart/Star <aaron@t...> wrote:
> [Kinda interesting how they're not mentioning the fact this program 
> already aired last fall.]
> 
> From: marc.liepis@n...
> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:01:04 -0500 (EST)
> To: aaron@t...
> Subject: 50 YEARS OF NBC LATE NIGHT - APRIL 7
> 
> 
> 
> 	FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> 
> 	Contact:
> 	Marc Liepis
> 	212-664-5424
> 	marc.liepis@n...
> 
> 
> 	NBC TO SHOW VIEWERS HOW THE "LATE NIGHT WARS" STARTED
> WITH "50 YEARS OF NBC LATE NIGHT" SPECIAL SUNDAY, APRIL 7
> 
> 
> 	As part of NBC's upcoming 75th Anniversary celebration, the 
> network will air the special "50 Years of NBC Late Night" on 
Sunday, 
> April 7 (9 p.m. to 11p.m.).  The special hosted by "Late Night" 
host 
> Conan O'Brien will take viewers to the beginnings of the most 
talked 
> about daypart in television.
> 




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From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 0:14pm
Subject: Re: Re: '50 Years of NBC Late Night'

Not only that but as readers at ECHO pointed out to me last week, the 
best listings services simply do a little legwork and put the (R) 
tags on themselves.  And yes, they uphold a double standard for cable 
because, frankly, viewers are smart enough to know that tomorrow's 
RUGRATS will almost certainly be a repeat.


>I think about a year ago NBC said it would no longer list original
>air dates in press releases for rerun telecasts. This in an attempt
>to confound the lazier TV writers and editors regarding what's new or
>not. I dont think it works, because when a press release is issued
>for a first run telecast, it's plainly touted as such.
>
>--roy
>
>
>  In tvbarn2@y..., Aaron Barnhart/Star <aaron@t...> wrote:
>>  [Kinda interesting how they're not mentioning the fact this program
>>  already aired last fall.]
>>
>>  From: marc.liepis@n...
>>  Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:01:04 -0500 (EST)
>>  To: aaron@t...
>>  Subject: 50 YEARS OF NBC LATE NIGHT - APRIL 7
>>
>>
>>
>>  	FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>>
>>  	Contact:
>>  	Marc Liepis
>>  	212-664-5424
>>  	marc.liepis@n...
>>
>>
>>  	NBC TO SHOW VIEWERS HOW THE "LATE NIGHT WARS" STARTED
>>  WITH "50 YEARS OF NBC LATE NIGHT" SPECIAL SUNDAY, APRIL 7
>>
>>
>>  	As part of NBC's upcoming 75th Anniversary celebration, the
>>  network will air the special "50 Years of NBC Late Night" on
>Sunday,
>>  April 7 (9 p.m. to 11p.m.).  The special hosted by "Late Night"
>host
>>  Conan O'Brien will take viewers to the beginnings of the most
>talked
>>  about daypart in television.
>>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 0:14pm
Subject: Re: TNN's Missing Bar

I smell infomercial.

>	So, I was flipping through the channels Saturday afternoon and
>noticed TNN was not showing their annoying black bar at the bottom of the
>screen.  ("Dear God Almighty, how will I know what show I'm watching?!")
>What was the show that deserved bar-free near-pristine treatment?
>
>	"Trucks."  Truck repair/restoration/appreciation.
>
>	Can't say TNN doesn't know their audience...
>
>--Anthony
>
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From: rcurrlin  <rcurrlin@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 0:21pm
Subject: Re: '50 Years of NBC Late Night'

The New York Sunday News weekly TV listings  have gone even further, 
figuring that most TV these days consists of reruns -- it foregoes 
the "R" and assigns an "N" to new programming, be it network or cable.

Probably the wave of the future. Anyone notice other listings doing 
this?


--- In tvbarn2@y..., Aaron Barnhart/Star <aaron@t...> wrote:
> Not only that but as readers at ECHO pointed out to me last week, 
the 
> best listings services simply do a little legwork and put the (R) 
> tags on themselves.  And yes, they uphold a double standard for 
cable 
> because, frankly, viewers are smart enough to know that tomorrow's 
> RUGRATS will almost certainly be a repeat.
> 
> 
> >I think about a year ago NBC said it would no longer list original
> >air dates in press releases for rerun telecasts. This in an attempt
> >to confound the lazier TV writers and editors regarding what's new 
or
> >not. I dont think it works, because when a press release is issued
> >for a first run telecast, it's plainly touted as such.
> >
> >--roy
> >
> >
> >  In tvbarn2@y..., Aaron Barnhart/Star <aaron@t...> wrote:
> >>  [Kinda interesting how they're not mentioning the fact this 
program
> >>  already aired last fall.]
> >>
> >>  From: marc.liepis@n...
> >>  Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:01:04 -0500 (EST)
> >>  To: aaron@t...
> >>  Subject: 50 YEARS OF NBC LATE NIGHT - APRIL 7
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  	FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> >>
> >>  	Contact:
> >>  	Marc Liepis
> >>  	212-664-5424
> >>  	marc.liepis@n...
> >>
> >>
> >>  	NBC TO SHOW VIEWERS HOW THE "LATE NIGHT WARS" STARTED
> >>  WITH "50 YEARS OF NBC LATE NIGHT" SPECIAL SUNDAY, APRIL 7
> >>
> >>
> >>  	As part of NBC's upcoming 75th Anniversary celebration, the
> >>  network will air the special "50 Years of NBC Late Night" on
> >Sunday,
> >>  April 7 (9 p.m. to 11p.m.).  The special hosted by "Late Night"
> >host
> >>  Conan O'Brien will take viewers to the beginnings of the most
> >talked
> >>  about daypart in television.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >TVBarn2: We're talking TV.
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tvbarn2/messages
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From: jicarney  <jicarney@localnet.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 0:27pm
Subject: Re: '50 Years of NBC Late Night'

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "rcurrlin" <rcurrlin@y...> wrote:
> The New York Sunday News weekly TV listings  have gone even 
further, 
> figuring that most TV these days consists of reruns -- it foregoes 
> the "R" and assigns an "N" to new programming, be it network or 
cable.
> 
> Probably the wave of the future. Anyone notice other listings doing 
> this?

The TV listings in the Nashville paper are exactly as you describe.

Many, if not most, newspapers get their TV listings from a commercial 
service, so it may be that one or more of the services which produce 
the listings have made this change.

John I. Carney  |  jicarney@l...  |  http://jicarney.cjb.net

From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 0:35pm
Subject: 'Nightline' postpones gay series again

The p.r. for ABC News Nightline just called to say that its series on 
gays in America, "A Matter of Choice?", has been postponed AGAIN 
"because of the events in the Middle East. ... They just made the 
decision today."
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From: Anthony Foglia  <afoglia@physics.ucsb.edu>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 0:35pm
Subject: Re: TNN's Missing Bar

On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Aaron Barnhart/Star wrote:

> >	So, I was flipping through the channels Saturday afternoon and
> >noticed TNN was not showing their annoying black bar at the bottom of the
> >screen.  ("Dear God Almighty, how will I know what show I'm watching?!")
> >What was the show that deserved bar-free near-pristine treatment?
> >
> >	"Trucks."  Truck repair/restoration/appreciation.
> >
> >	Can't say TNN doesn't know their audience...
> 
> I smell infomercial.

	Nope. They had the TNN bug (but in the upper right corner) and
they had normal commercials.  Plus, there was no plugging of prices to pay
or numbers to call.

	In fact, just to doublecheck, I went to the TNN webpage.

<http://www.thenewtnn.com/shows/trucks/>

--Anthony

-------------------------------------------------------------------
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that,
you've got it made. -Groucho Marx

From: Anthony Foglia  <afoglia@physics.ucsb.edu>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 0:36pm
Subject: Re: Re: '50 Years of NBC Late Night'

On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, rcurrlin wrote:

> The New York Sunday News weekly TV listings  have gone even further, 
> figuring that most TV these days consists of reruns -- it foregoes 
> the "R" and assigns an "N" to new programming, be it network or cable.
> 
> Probably the wave of the future. Anyone notice other listings doing 
> this?

	Yahoo's online listings do the same.

--Anthony

-------------------------------------------------------------------
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But I got TV, 
Man, I love TV, 
And I watch TV, 
While those happy people sleep.
-- Not Happy, Bruce McCulloch

From: Sue Trowbridge  <trow@interbridge.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 1:02pm
Subject: super-promoters of the week

We haven't had this popular feature in a few weeks, so let's find out who
is currently making the multiple-talk-show rounds:

Christina Applegate - TS 4/5, CO'B 4/11, LC 4/18, R&K 4/10, RO'D 4/12
Goo Goo Dolls - TS 4/5, LC 4/11, DS 4/11, RO'D 4/10
Tara Reid - TS 4/1, CO'B 4/3, DS 4/16, View 4/2
Samuel L. Jackson - TS 4/9, CO'B 4/12, DS 4/15, R&K 4/12

Congratulations Christina, you're this week's winner. In fact, the leads
of her film, THE SWEETEST THING -- Cameron Diaz, Christina, & Selma Blair
-- are making an impressive 9 appearances total, including a group
appearance on Rosie.

--Sue T.

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 1:07pm
Subject: RE: TNN's Missing Bar

> On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Aaron Barnhart/Star wrote:
> 
> > >	So, I was flipping through the channels Saturday afternoon and
> > >noticed TNN was not showing their annoying black bar at 
> the bottom of the
> > >screen.  ("Dear God Almighty, how will I know what show 
> I'm watching?!")
> > >What was the show that deserved bar-free near-pristine treatment?
> > >
> > >	"Trucks."  Truck repair/restoration/appreciation.
> > >
> > >	Can't say TNN doesn't know their audience...
> > 
> > I smell infomercial.
> 
> 	Nope. They had the TNN bug (but in the upper right corner) and
> they had normal commercials.  Plus, there was no plugging of 
> prices to pay
> or numbers to call.

Also, it seems to me that the black bar doesn't run during the WWF shows on
TNN.  Did Stone Cold threaten to smash the bar if they put it on-screen?  :)

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a... 


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From: Sue Trowbridge  <trow@interbridge.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 1:28pm
Subject: Re: Remote Patrol: no foolin'

On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, tomalhe wrote:

> ABC's "The Bachelor" (8 PM) narrows the field down to 8 honeys
> currently living with him in Malibu on tonight's creepy reality
> marriage series. 

Has anyone here watched this? It seemed way too creepy for ME -- and I
watched Celebrity Boxing, "Who Wants To Marry a Multi-Millionaire," "Who
Wants To Be A Princess" and "Chains of Love," so I usually have no shame.
(Though a friend told me I can't honestly consider myself a reality TV fan
until I've seen "Dis-Missed.")

--Sue T.

From: subboya1a  <subboy@peak.org>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 1:56pm
Subject: Pacifica link

the link to Amy Goodman's report did not work as published; the 
actual page location needed to be removed (i find this is often 
necessary on media 
links).  "http://www.webactive.com/pacifica/demnow/" worked just fine.

thanks for including info like this.  alternate media sources are 
difficult to find at times, and, as i can't seem to tolerate 
the "mainstream," i appreciate this public service!

From: cdthomas1999  <cdthomas1999@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 1:59pm
Subject: MILLIONAIRE Syndicated Host

I'm confused.

Who broke the story?

The link posted on TVBARN points to ZENTERTAINMENT's announcement of 
Dick Clark, but ZENTERTAINMENT says it's TVBARN who announced the 
choice of Dick Clark.

That, my friends, is a circular link.

Could ZENTERTAINMENT (via Mr. Heald) have made the mistake of not 
giving credit to TVgameshows.net?  That site says that it got 
confirmation early this morning, and it doesn't mention getting the 
news from any other site.

Credit where credit is due?

From: Keith Privett  <Keith@PRIVETT.COM>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 2:35pm
Subject: Re: super-promoters of the week

At four, there's also Andy Dick (a friend is obsessed) 

[CO'B 3/29] R&K 4/1, LC 4/3, CK 4/5, and RO'D 4/8

--- Sue Trowbridge <trow@i...> wrote:
> We haven't had this popular feature in a few weeks, so let's find out who
> is currently making the multiple-talk-show rounds:
> 
> Christina Applegate - TS 4/5, CO'B 4/11, LC 4/18, R&K 4/10, RO'D 4/12
> Goo Goo Dolls - TS 4/5, LC 4/11, DS 4/11, RO'D 4/10
> Tara Reid - TS 4/1, CO'B 4/3, DS 4/16, View 4/2
> Samuel L. Jackson - TS 4/9, CO'B 4/12, DS 4/15, R&K 4/12
> 
> Congratulations Christina, you're this week's winner. In fact, the leads
> of her film, THE SWEETEST THING -- Cameron Diaz, Christina, & Selma Blair
> -- are making an impressive 9 appearances total, including a group
> appearance on Rosie.
> 
> --Sue T.
> 
> 
> 
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From: nrq61  <nrq61@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 3:00pm
Subject: Re: Remote Patrol: no foolin'

I watched it last Monday, and it WAS pretty creepy.  It was one of 
those can't-take-my-eyes-off-it-train-wreck kind of shows.  I'll watch 
it again tonight.

Okay, so the bachelor is a "Harvard grad and former White House aide" 
and its a little less creepy than "Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire" 
because they will actually get to know each other by meeting each 
other's famillies, etc.  But I have to wonder about the women who 
agree to appear (compete?) on a show like this.  Why would they do it?  
Are they seriously looking for a husband or are they just looking for 
15 minutes of fame?

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Sue Trowbridge <trow@i...> wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, tomalhe wrote:
> 
> > ABC's "The Bachelor" (8 PM) narrows the field down to 8 honeys
> > currently living with him in Malibu on tonight's creepy reality
> > marriage series. 
> 
> Has anyone here watched this? It seemed way too creepy for ME -- and 
I
> watched Celebrity Boxing, "Who Wants To Marry a Multi-Millionaire," 
"Who
> Wants To Be A Princess" and "Chains of Love," so I usually have no 
shame.
> (Though a friend told me I can't honestly consider myself a reality 
TV fan
> until I've seen "Dis-Missed.")
> 
> --Sue T.

From: nrq61  <nrq61@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 3:03pm
Subject: Re: Remote Patrol: no foolin'

I watched it last Monday, and may watch it again tonight.  It was 
creepy, but not as creepy as Fox's "Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire".  
At least they will get to know each other by meeting each other's 
families, etc.

Okay, so "the bachelor" is a Harvard grad and a former White House 
aide (as if that meant anything).  I have to wonder about the women 
who agree to appear (compete?) on the show.  Are they seriously 
looking for a husband or do they just want 15 minutes of fame?


--- In tvbarn2@y..., Sue Trowbridge <trow@i...> wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, tomalhe wrote:
> 
> > ABC's "The Bachelor" (8 PM) narrows the field down to 8 honeys
> > currently living with him in Malibu on tonight's creepy reality
> > marriage series. 
> 
> Has anyone here watched this? It seemed way too creepy for ME -- and 
I
> watched Celebrity Boxing, "Who Wants To Marry a Multi-Millionaire," 
"Who
> Wants To Be A Princess" and "Chains of Love," so I usually have no 
shame.
> (Though a friend told me I can't honestly consider myself a reality 
TV fan
> until I've seen "Dis-Missed.")
> 
> --Sue T.

From: jdinan8271  <jdinan8271@aol.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 3:14pm
Subject: Re: '50 Years of NBC Late Night'

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "rcurrlin" <rcurrlin@y...> wrote:
> The New York Sunday News weekly TV listings  have gone even 
further, 
> figuring that most TV these days consists of reruns -- it foregoes 
> the "R" and assigns an "N" to new programming, be it network or 
cable.
> 
> Probably the wave of the future. Anyone notice other listings doing 
> this?
> 
> 

    Washington Post does the same in their Sunday TV book - one of 
the few things they do RIGHT in their TV/radio coverage - or lack of. 
(Quick example - Post promotes the new 60-minute Crossfire today - 
but in their TV listings, they have Crossfire as a 30-minute show).

      James

From: Wes McGee  <DavenportIAS@netscape.net>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 3:20pm
Subject: OT -- Stupid Computer Tricks

It took me months, folks, but I found a customized computer case more 
outrageous than the Hello Kitty Laptop (found in the TVBarn2 bookmarks 
or @ http://www.exonome.com/fj/phkl/ )

It doesn't have a name, but I'm leaning toward calling it the 
marshmellow computer. ( http://www.g-news.ch/articles/nhp200nc/ ) 
 --Wesley McGee

(We now return you to your regularly scheduled television chat.)

From: jdinan8271  <jdinan8271@aol.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 3:23pm
Subject: Re: TNN's Missing Bar

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "Jeffries, Mark" <mjeffries@k...> wrote:
> > On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Aaron Barnhart/Star wrote:
> > 
> > > >	So, I was flipping through the channels Saturday afternoon and
> > > >noticed TNN was not showing their annoying black bar at 
> > the bottom of the
> > > >screen.  ("Dear God Almighty, how will I know what show 
> > I'm watching?!")
> > > >What was the show that deserved bar-free near-pristine 
treatment?
> > > >
> > > >	"Trucks."  Truck repair/restoration/appreciation.
>


      Since TNN is the last channel on my cable system - as well as 
close to GSN and TV Land on the system lineup - I've caught enough 
programming to see which TNN shows do not get the black bar 
treatment.  To the best of my knowledge, these shows do not get the 
treatment...

      WWF Raw
      WWF Excess (Saturday nite wrestling highlights show)
      Saturday/Sunday morning programming (fishing/outdoors shows)
      ASA Auto Racing (minor-league stock car racing)
      A gospel show that TNN airs late Sunday nite (don't know the 
name)

       James

From: Henry Nunes  <hwnunes@tdl.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 4:21pm
Subject: Re: TNN's Missing Bar

> > >     "Trucks."  Truck repair/restoration/appreciation.
> > >
> > >     Can't say TNN doesn't know their audience...
> >
> > I smell infomercial.
>
>Nope. They had the TNN bug (but in the upper right corner) and
>they had normal commercials.  Plus, there was no plugging of
>prices to pay or numbers to call.

They're not infomercials in the way that the cooking shows on the Food 
Network are not infomercials.  Both are legitimate How To programs.  There 
just happen to be some "considerations" provided to the sponsors, such as 
All-Clad cookware, Kitchen Aid mixers, Rotary Lifts, K&N Filters, E-Tech 
Cylinder Heads, etc.

From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 4:34pm
Subject: Re: Pacifica link

You're welcome, big brother.  (Ladies and gentlemen, Todd Barnhart.)

>the link to Amy Goodman's report did not work as published; the
>actual page location needed to be removed (i find this is often
>necessary on media
>links).  "http://www.webactive.com/pacifica/demnow/" worked just fine.
>
>thanks for including info like this.  alternate media sources are
>difficult to find at times, and, as i can't seem to tolerate
>the "mainstream," i appreciate this public service!
>

-- 
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From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 4:37pm
Subject: Re: MILLIONAIRE Syndicated Host

I'm starting to suspect that we've been had.

>I'm confused.
>
>Who broke the story?
>
>The link posted on TVBARN points to ZENTERTAINMENT's announcement of
>Dick Clark, but ZENTERTAINMENT says it's TVBARN who announced the
>choice of Dick Clark.
>
>That, my friends, is a circular link.
>
>Could ZENTERTAINMENT (via Mr. Heald) have made the mistake of not
>giving credit to TVgameshows.net?  That site says that it got
>confirmation early this morning, and it doesn't mention getting the
>news from any other site.
>
>Credit where credit is due?
>
>
>
>TVBarn2: We're talking TV.
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tvbarn2/messages
>Goodbye: tvbarn2-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
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From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 4:39pm
Subject: Re: Re: TNN's Missing Bar

The last is paid programming.  So I think it's pretty clear that 
sports entertainment is the exception -- and for good reason.  It's 
first-run, most of it anyway, and doesn't need a lot of footnotes 
(like an old episode of "Starsky and Hutch" does).



>       WWF Raw
>       WWF Excess (Saturday nite wrestling highlights show)
>       Saturday/Sunday morning programming (fishing/outdoors shows)
>       ASA Auto Racing (minor-league stock car racing)
>       A gospel show that TNN airs late Sunday nite (don't know the
>name)
>
>        James
>
>
>
>
>
>
>TVBarn2: We're talking TV.
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tvbarn2/messages
>Goodbye: tvbarn2-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 0:03pm
Subject: Re: MILLIONAIRE Syndicated Host

>> Could ZENTERTAINMENT (via Mr. Heald) have made the mistake of not 
> >giving credit to TVgameshows.net?  That site says that it got 
> >confirmation early this morning, and it doesn't mention getting the 
> >news from any other site.
> 
NO. The story was reported at TVBarn and Zentertainment about 5 hours before 
Mr Beverly's TVGameshows.net put its coverage up. 

> >Credit where credit is due?
> 
> Actually now TVgameshows.net is now sharing credit with the Zen story.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 5:11pm
Subject: WSJ's Stieger on Pearl on C-SPAN

Tuesday, April 2 at 8pm ET
C-SPAN Presents "Journalism in the Aftermath of Daniel Pearl's Murder"

*	At 8pm ET, a speech by Paul Steiger, Managing Editor of the Wall
Street Journal.  He spoke about Daniel Pearl's life & work at the Wall
Street Journal, and lessons he has learned from Pearl's murder.  The speech
took place on March 21 before the Atlanta Press Club. ...

*	followed at 8:25pm ET by... Discussion among journalists about the
effect Pearl's murder will have on war coverage overseas.  Marvin Kalb
moderates the event, which includes E.J. Dionne of the Washington Post,
Cokie Roberts of ABC News, syndicated columnist Steve Roberts, and Ann
Cooper from the Committee to Protect Journalists.  This event happened at
the National Press Club on March 4. (length: 1:23)

Please call Robin Scullin, C-SPAN at at 202-626-8797 with questions.

-- 
TV Barn: http://www.tvbarn.com

From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 5:11pm
Subject: ABC special on priest scandals

>  April 1, 2002
>
>  ABC News to Examine the Growing Sexual Abuse Scandal in the Roman Catholic
>  Church in a One-Hour Special Anchored by Peter Jennings
>
>  "Bless Me Father For I Have Sinned: The Catholic Church in Crisis" Airs
>  Wednesday, April 3 from 10-11PM (ET)
>
>  As stories of priests sexually abusing children continue to dominate
>  headlines, ABC News will examine the growing crisis facing the Roman
>  Catholic Church.  Anchored by Peter Jennings, the one-hour special will
>  report on how the crisis reached this point and how the Roman Catholic
>  Church rebuilds in its aftermath. It will also look at the culture and
>  structure of the Church to understand how it may have enabled sexual abuse
>  to go unreported for so long.  The special will feature a unique ABC News
>  investigative report on an important dimension of the crisis, the first
>  in-depth television interview with a priest who has admitted he molested
>  children and the story of a priest in Omaha, Nebraska who for three
>  decades was suspected of being a risk to children, but was allowed to
>  continue as a priest working with children. "Bless Me Father For I Have
>  Sinned: The Catholic Church in Crisis" airs Wednesday, April 3, from
>  10:00-11:00 pm ET on the ABC Television Network.
>
>  Jennings will examine how much the crisis has cost the Catholic Church -
>  both monetarily as they settle complaints brought against priests and in
>  terms of support as Church faithful discover how its leadership kept
>  silent. He will also explore what lessons have been learned from the
>  discord and discourse and, through interviews with William Donahue,
>  President of the Catholic League, a monsignor, a nun and other theological
>  and historical experts, try to answer how the Church recovers and rebuilds
>  from the crisis.
>
>  From Omaha, Nebraska, ABC News Correspondent Ron Claiborne reports on the
>  case of local priest Daniel Patrick Herek.  After he was arrested on
>  charges that he molested a 14-year-old boy, the town learned that while
>  for three decades there were suspicions that Herek was a risk to children,
>  the Church allowed him to continue as a priest, working with children.
>
>  In his first in-depth television interview, retired Father Neil Conway
>  tells ABC News Correspondent Chris Wallace of his remorse over sexual
>  abusing eight young boys in his parish in Ohio.  Conway, who has sought
>  forgiveness and treatment for his crime, reveals what goes through the
>  mind of a sexual abuser and why he ultimately came forward to talk about
>  it.
>
>  ABC News Correspondent Bill Blakemore will explore the hierarchies and
>  social structures in the church that have allowed it to reach this crisis.
>  He talks to priests, including some who are also trained psychiatrists,
>  who have struggled with their church over five decades of change in its
>  attitude - and in the attitude of the society at large - about how to
>  handle the problem of adults who sexually abuse young teenagers.
>
>  The ABC News/Washington Post/Beliefnet poll of American Catholics
>  follows-up on a poll ABC News conducted last month. At that time, when
>  Boston priest John Geoghan was dominating the headlines on this topic,
>  many Catholics gave Church officials the benefit of the doubt.  Now, one
>  month later, there has been a huge increase in the number of Catholics who
>  call this a major problem that deserves immediate attention. ABC News will
>  announce poll results in a separate release April 3rd.
>
>  Tom Yellin is the executive producer and Roger Goodman is the director.
>

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From: Steve Rhodes  <srhodes@well.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 5:31pm
Subject: NIGHTLINE monday: Terrorist ... Freedom Fighter

TONIGHT'S SUBJECT:  The situation continues to deteriorate in the Middle
East. Israeli troops have moved into other cities and towns on the West
Bank. The standoff with Arafat continues. After the two suicide bombings
yesterday, there haven't been any today, but everyone is waiting for the
next one. Which raises the question, just what kind of war is this?

----

The Israeli government uses virtually the same language to describe their
war with the Palestinians that the Bush Administration uses to describe
the American war against terror. That is not a coincidence. It is very
difficult for the Bush administration to criticize the Israeli actions, if
they were so inclined, when Sharon talks of rooting out the terrorist
infrastructure, of rounding up terrorists. And let's face it, suicide
bombings are the definition of terrorism.

But when you listen to the Palestinians, you hear a much different view.
This isn't a campaign of terrorism, it has become a war of national
liberation, a war against an occupying power, against colonialism. In that
world view, the suicide bombers take on a whole different role, as do the
Palestinians fighting the Israeli army in the streets. Seen from this
perspective, they're not terrorists, they're fighting for their own
independence. This is a view certainly accepted by the other Arab
countries, but also by many in Europe as well.

To sum it up, one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. To
some extent, history's view depends on who wins in the end. Many of those
who went on to be leaders of Israel were members of what were called
"terrorist gangs" before Israel gained its independence. They too were
responsible for bombings. But years later, that is rarely remembered. For
many years, the PLO was seen as a "terrorist organization," but as time
went by that changed in the eyes of some, and Arafat became a frequent
guest at the White House, certainly when Bill Clinton was President. Now
President Bush refuses to meet with him.

But this is more than a debate over semantics. Israel is using
conventional military means to try to stop what it sees as terrorist
attacks. But if in fact this has become a much larger movement, and seeing
young men and women eager to become suicide bombers certainly supports
that view, then Israel faces a much different challenge. It would also
seem then, that it is unlikely that the Palestinians will stop any time
soon. So we're left with the sense that the two sides, fighting a war with
each other, are fighting two different wars. Like just about everything
else in that region, there isn't even any agreement on that. So tonight
we'll have the latest from the Middle East, and we'll try to get at the
issue of just what kind of war this really is.

One other note. As many of you probably know my now, we had planned to air
a five-part series on Gays in America last fall. It was postponed for
obvious reasons. We had hope to air it next week, but again, given what is
going on, we are going to postpone it again. Our fear is that the news
would make it impossible for us to air all five installments. It will be
rescheduled, and we'll try to get it on the air as soon as possible. For
all of you who have written in asking when it will air, our thanks for
being so patient. It will air some day, hopefully soon.

Monday, April 1, 2002

Leroy Sievers and the Nightline Staff
Nightline Offices
Washington, D.C.

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From: Sue Trowbridge  <trow@interbridge.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 5:42pm
Subject: Re: MILLIONAIRE Syndicated Host

On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 tomalhe@a... wrote:

> >> Could ZENTERTAINMENT (via Mr. Heald) have made the mistake of not 
> > >giving credit to TVgameshows.net?  That site says that it got 
> > >confirmation early this morning, and it doesn't mention getting the 
> > >news from any other site.
> > 
> NO. The story was reported at TVBarn and Zentertainment about 5 hours before 
> Mr Beverly's TVGameshows.net put its coverage up. 

Ha ha ha! I get it -- it's an April fool's joke. The real host will be
Carrot Top.

--Sue T.

From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 2:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: Remote Patrol: no foolin'

>Okay, so the bachelor is a "Harvard grad and former White House aide" 
>and its a little less creepy than "Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire" 

"Multi-Millionaire," actually.

From: timko_steve  <timko_steve@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 7:10pm
Subject: Bomber misses Dan Rather

Let's hope he gets his timing improved by the time Geraldo gets 
there. . . 


CBS anchor Dan Rather in Jerusalem, has close call with bomber
NEW YORK (AP) — Dan Rather anchored the "CBS Evening News" from 
Jerusalem on Monday, only hours after a close call with a car bomb.
Rather and two producers had just driven by a checkpoint where a car 
bomb exploded, killing the attacker and critically wounding a 
policeman. Hearing the explosion, the CBS team went back to gather 
footage, a CBS spokesman said.
He's the third of the major network anchors to go to the scene of the 
deepening Middle East crisis. ABC's Peter Jennings and NBC's Tom 
Brokaw both reported from the region last week.
Rather, who was off last week, will be in Israel for a few days, 
depending on the news, the network said.

From: stupidfantricks  <misterdummy@aol.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 9:36pm
Subject: Re: 'Nightline' postpones gay series again

In other words: "To avoid any controversy, we are going to keep post-
poning this until the show is cancelled, then we will blame ABC for 
dumping the show before it could air"

Matt
SFT A David Letterman Fansite
http://stupidfantricks.tripod.com

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Aaron Barnhart/Star <aaron@t...> wrote:
> The p.r. for ABC News Nightline just called to say that its series 
on 
> gays in America, "A Matter of Choice?", has been postponed AGAIN 
> "because of the events in the Middle East. ... They just made the 
> decision today."
> -- 
> TV Barn: http://www.tvbarn.com

From: stupidfantricks  <misterdummy@aol.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 9:39pm
Subject: Re: solution to the TNN bar and other logo clutter?

Sounds good... but it would probably cost a bundle. Unless you have a 
new TV, satellite makes all graphics bigger than they should be, it's 
annoying, but I supose we all get used to it huh.

Matt

--- In tvbarn2@y..., "gjangelo" <gjangelo@y...> wrote:
> 
> Start "grassroots" movement and let channels know that they should 
> offer TWO feeds of their channel....
> 
> One with all the clutter for broadcast or analog cable; and a 
second 
> free of clutter for satellite and digital cable which offers 
onscreen 
> info.
> 
> a good compromise?

From: stupidfantricks  <misterdummy@aol.com>
Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 9:41pm
Subject: Re: 'Andy Richter' double-run

I can't wait, Family Guy, then Andy Richter, Fox finally has a decent 
night of programming on Thursday!

Matt
SFT-A David Letterman Fansite
http://stupidfantricks.tripod.com

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Aaron Barnhart/Star <aaron@t...> wrote:
> ENCORES OF 'ANDY RICHTER CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE'
> TO AIR THURSDAYS IN APRIL
> 
> Building on the momentum of ANDY RICHTER CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE's 
time 
> period-winning broadcasts on Tuesday, March 19, and Tuesday, March 
> 26, FOX will give the series' episodes a second airing the week 
> following their first runs.  Encores of the comedy will air 
> Thursdays, April 4, 11 and 18 (9:30-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX.
> 
> ANDY RICHTER CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE's regular time period is 
Tuesdays 
> (8:30-9:00 PM ET/PT).
> 
> -- 
> TV Barn: http://www.tvbarn.com

From: johnrobinson42  <HVConstat9@aol.com>
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 0:32am
Subject: "The Bachelor" (was Re: Remote Patrol: no foolin')

--- In tvbarn2@y..., Sue Trowbridge <trow@i...> wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, tomalhe wrote:
> 
> > ABC's "The Bachelor" (8 PM) narrows the field down to 8 honeys
> > currently living with him in Malibu on tonight's creepy reality
> > marriage series. 
> 
> Has anyone here watched this? It seemed way too creepy for ME -- 
> and I watched Celebrity Boxing, "Who Wants To Marry a Multi-
> Millionaire," "Who Wants To Be A Princess" and "Chains of Love,"
> so I usually have no shame.
> (Though a friend told me I can't honestly consider myself a
> reality TV fan until I've seen "Dis-Missed.")
> 
> --Sue T.

I haven't seen it, but I think Steve Johnson's comment in the ChiTrib 
was fantastic:

"['The Bachelor']'s just right, however, for those who think this 
culture has unjustly overlooked the concept of the harem."

JHR
One life, recorded badly:  http://hannibalv.livejournal.com

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 1:20am
Subject: "American Embassy" closes doors

From today's Hollywood Reporter:

FOX has announced that the Ally clone "American Embassy" has been deported 
off the schedule.

UPN is cancelling it's Friday repeat of "Amazing Race II" (but it's going 
to continue running on CBS) and putting "Under One Roof" on hiatus.

KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

From: Wes McGee  <DavenportIAS@netscape.net>
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 8:23am
Subject: No Foolin' Me!

>  I write real weekly talk show listings + fake tv listings, real TV 
> history with fake punchlines, and daily tv previews with occaionally 
> suspect descriptions.  --Tom Herald.


So does that mean there isn't a show on TV about a baby who rather 
freakishly talks like a full grown adult! There ain't no foolin' me, Tom!

--Wesley McGee never underestimates the ability for reality to satire 
itself.

From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 1:58pm
Subject: SCI FI's new lineup

SCI FI CHANNEL ANNOUNCES AMBITIOUS NEW SLATE

OF ORIGINAL MOVIES AND MINISERIES

SCI FI Continues to Strengthen Its Primetime Line-Up

With Exclusive Original Movie Events and Miniseries

"Firestarter: Rekindled" To  Be Developed As Ongoing Series

New York, NY, April 2, 2002 - Anchored by its upcoming 20-hour epic 
miniseries Taken from DreamWorks Television and Steven Spielberg, SCI 
FI Channel continues to strengthen its original programming line-up 
with an ambitious new slate of primetime miniseries and movies. 
Beginning in 2003, SCI FI will air four major movie or miniseries 
events a year, many of which may serve as backdoor pilots for ongoing 
series.

In keeping with this strategy and hot off the success of its recent 
Firestarter: Rekindled hit miniseries, SCI FI Channel will re-ignite 
the Stephen King classic by developing it as an ongoing series. 
Rekindled will follow the struggles and adventures of Charlie McGee, 
a young woman with incredible pyrokinetic abilities.  Both gifted and 
cursed with the ability to start fires with her mind, Charlie has 
spent the past 10 years on the run from the unscrupulous government 
agents who created her.  Tired of running, she decides to search out 
other victims of the government's experiments in the hopes of helping 
them reclaim their lives.

New miniseries and movies in development at SCI FI include:

ORIGINAL MINISERIES
BATTLESTAR GALACTICA (4-hour miniseries) - SCI FI re-imagines the 
groundbreaking and beloved series in which "a rag, tag fugitive 
fleet" of the last remnants of mankind searches for its true home. 
Fleeing the aliens responsible for the slaughter of their homeworld, 
the Battlestar Galactica survivors must meet a whole new set of 
challenges.  This intriguing twist on a classic will be written by 
writer Ronald D. Moore (Roswell, Mission Impossible II) with Breck 
Eisner (Steven Spielberg's Taken; The Invisible Man) attached to 
direct.  Distributed by USA Cable Entertainment, the project will be 
executive produced by David Eick (American Gothic, Hercules: The 
Legendary Journeys, Spy Game).


-more-


Page Two/SCI FI Development Slate

MYST (4-hour miniseries) - Inspired by the best-selling CD-ROM 
adventure game of all time, this four-hour SCI FI miniseries sends us 
on a journey to discover what really happened on the island of Myst. 
Along the way, we uncover an ancient civilization that existed for 
thousands of years beneath the surface of the Earth-a civilization 
that created magical books allowing one to travel to other worlds or 
Ages.  Using these "linking" books in MYST, characters defy the 
boundaries of space and get entangled in the intrigue and mystery of 
undiscovered worlds.  MYST will be a Mandalay Television Pictures 
production for SCI FI, executive produced by Elizabeth Stephen with 
Rand Miller and Susan Bonds of Cyan in association with Columbia Tri 
Star Domestic Television.

THE FOREVER WAR (4-hour miniseries) - Based on Joe Haldeman's Hugo & 
Nebula award-winning classic, this four-hour miniseries is an epic 
love story that spans a 1000-year war.  In the near future, a young 
man enlists in the army to defend Earth against a far-off alien 
threat.  Almost immediately, he meets a young woman and they fall in 
love during their first tour of duty, but time and space separate 
them.  However, across the abyss of time she's left him a trail that 
leads to a sweepingly emotional Sleeping Beauty-like ending.  The 
miniseries will be executive produced by Richard Edlund (7 Oscars for 
FX including Star Wars, Poltergeist, Raiders of the Lost, Return of 
the Jedi), with Peter Sussman and Ed Gernon (Joan of Arc, Nuremberg, 
Me and My Shadows: Life with Judy Garland) executive producing for 
indie powerhouse Alliance Atlantis.  THE FOREVER WAR will be written 
by John Fasano (Alien 3, Universal Soldier, Tombstone).

THE CHRONICLES OF AMBER (4-hour miniseries) - Based on award-winning 
writer Roger Zelazny's (Lord of the Light, Creatures of Light and 
Darkness, Home is the Hangman, A Rose For Ecclesiastes) classic 
international-best selling 10 volume "Chronicles of Amber" series 
(over 3 1/2 million copies worldwide have been translated into ten 
languages), this is the story of a royal family with amazing powers 
over time and space who are plagued by infighting as they try to 
unite against a sinister enemy.  Corwin is a prince of Amber, the 
"immortal city from which every other city has taken its shape."  He 
has spent centuries on Earth as an amnesiac but when someone in the 
family tries to kill him, Corwin begins a search for his past. 
Richard Christian Matheson (Sole Survivor) will adapt the screenplay 
for SCI FI.  Tom Patricia (First Shot, King of the World: The 
Muhammad Ali Story, Intensity, Medusa's Child, The Linda McCartney 
Story) of Patriarch Pictures will serve as executive producer.

ON THE SEVENTH DAY (7-hour limited series) - The year is 2850 A.D. or 
714 CP (Cryogenic Period) as time is now measured.  To cure 
overcrowding, a world government has turned to artificial 
intelligence and divided the population into the seven days of the 
week with individuals assigned to "live" out their life on the same 
day each week.  They are kept in cryogenic suspension the other six. 
When Rick, a Tuesday, discovers the truth after accidentally meeting 
Andrea, a Monday, he defies the system and attempts to see her again. 
His journey leads him to discover not only that every day is 
completely different, but that the corrupt group that occupies Sunday 
is about to take over the entire planet.  Gary Sherman (The Glow, 
First Wave, Poltergeist: The Legacy) will executive produce and write 
this original limited SCI FI series to be distributed through USA 
Cable Entertainment.

-more-

Page Three/SCI FI Development Slate


ORIGINAL MOVIES
COLOSSEUM (2-hour original movie) - Tommy Pettigrew, a fast-talking 
African-American fight promoter from New York, can't talk his way out 
of his latest crisis - until history suddenly intervenes.  With the 
help from a rip in time and a magic amulet, he's transported to a 
world of action, excitement and romance - the Colosseum of Rome 95 
AD.  He's a Brooklyn Yankee in Emperor Nero's court, playing out many 
of the issues that plague us today - sports, politics, greed, sex and 
power - in the most spectacular arena the world has ever known!  This 
action-adventure dramedy will be written by Sam Egan ("The Outer 
Limits," "Jeremiah," "Northern Exposure") and directed by Mario 
Azzipardi ("The Outer Limits," "Poltergeist," "Stargate:SG1," "Total 
Recall," "The Highlander").  Egan and Azzipardi will Executive 
Produce with Matt Loze, co-founder of the multi platform branded 
entertainment and marketing company, Science + Fiction.  Colosseum, 
now in development for SCI FI, will be distributed by USA Cable 
Entertainment.

Previously announced miniseries in development for SCI FI include 
Ursula Le Guin's Left Hand of Darkness and Earthsea Trilogy and Kim 
Stanley Robinson's Red Mars.  Original movies include a sci-fi 
version of the classic A Tale of Two Cities, Ray Bradbury's 
Illustrated Man and Clive Barker's Saint Sinner.

On December 17, USA Networks, Inc. (NASDAQ: USAI) and Vivendi 
Universal announced the creation of Vivendi Universal Entertainment 
(VUE), a joint venture that combines the assets of the USA 
Entertainment Group, including SCI FI Channel, and the Universal 
Studios Group.

SCI FI Channel, owned and operated by USA Cable, a division of USA 
Networks, Inc.'s Entertainment Group, transmits fantastic images to 
78 million human homes. Launched in 1992, SCI FI features a 
continuous stream of cinematic hits, new and original series, and 
special events, as well as classic sci-fi, fantasy, and horror 
programming. Check out SCIFI.COM®, the SCI FI Channel's award-winning 
Web site, at www.scifi.com.

-- 
TV Barn: http://www.tvbarn.com

From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 2:07pm
Subject: Milton Berle counterpoint

[from reader Gord McDougall:]

Try as I might, I cannot figure out how to get onto the TV Barn 2 
message boards.  But here, for you, is my unsentimental tribute to 
Uncle Miltie (only because I truly love television):

Now that Uncle Miltie is dead (fina-bleeping-ly). let's get one thing 
straight: he is NOT--nor was he EVER--Mr. Television!  A careful 
analysis of the facts shows us the real deal.  

His highest ratings came after toiling for 15 years or so in radio 
(in relative obscurity), when he hosted the Texaco Star Theater. 
 People tuned in to see his weekly burlesque show, which was pitted 
against such powerhouse blockbuster programming as "The Johns Hopkins 
Science Review" and "How Did They Get That Way" (a show explaining 
the intricacies of the insane mind).  

His toughest competition, however, came from our merciful Lord, who 
summoned Bishop Fulton J. Sheen (by proxy, one assumes) to rid the 
medium of this scourge called Mr. Tuesday Night with a show called 
(wait for it...) "Life Is Worth Living"!  Presumably, the title of 
the program was meant to give hope to the people driven near suicide 
by the bleak prospect of several more seasons of "The Milton Berle 
Show"!

By 1952, Texaco was done with this dead weight, and Buick was brought 
on board to sponsor a show which limped along for another two years. 
 Then, Berle was forced to share his timeslot with Martha Raye for a 
season before cooler heads prevailed and cancelled him altogether. 
 Two years later, the already has-been hobbled back with a half-hour 
show, but by then viewers were watching more sophisticated shows such 
as "Donna Reed" and "The Millionaire", and he was cancelled after one 
season.

The windbag then spent the next 20 years or so inflicting himself on 
other shows in guest appearances, claiming to be an icon and the man 
who "discovered" Elvis Presley (no, really).  

Finally, his TV career came to a fitting end in 1966, when he 
attempted a comeback, but he was massacred in the ratings by "The Man 
 From U.N.C.L.E."  By then, it's clear the mass public was crying 
"uncle" and he spent the rest of his days doing guest shots on "The 
Love Boat" and "The Donny and Marie Show."

He also has the dubious distinction of hosting the one edition of 
"Saturday Night Live" which Lorne Michaels has refused to allow to be 
rerun.  (A notion since disproved by Mark Evanier--AB)

Milton Berle inflicted himself upon a weary world for 93 years and is 
survived by several relatives who stopped speaking to him decades ago.

-- 
TV Barn: http://www.tvbarn.com

From: Jeffries, Mark  <mjeffries@krw.com>
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 2:09pm
Subject: RE: Milton Berle counterpoint

> [from reader Gord McDougall:]
> 
> Try as I might, I cannot figure out how to get onto the TV Barn 2 
> message boards.  But here, for you, is my unsentimental tribute to 
> Uncle Miltie (only because I truly love television):

<snip>

> Milton Berle inflicted himself upon a weary world for 93 years and is 
> survived by several relatives who stopped speaking to him decades ago.

Has this guy ever heard of not speaking ill of the dead?

Mark Jeffries
mjeffries@k...
mjsaints@a...


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From: tomalhe@aol.com
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 10:02am
Subject: Re: SCI FI's new lineup

>Firestarter Rekindled : The Series. 
> >Charlie has spent the past 10 years on the run from the unscrupulous 
>government > agents who created her.  Tired of running, she decides to 
>search out > other victims of the government's experiments in the hopes 
>of helping > them reclaim their lives.

How... Dark Angel. 



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From: Aaron Barnhart/Star  <aaron@tvbarn.com>
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 3:28pm
Subject: 'The Hamptons' on ABC

"THE HAMPTONS" KICKS OFF THE SUMMER SEASON,
JUNE 2 AND 3, ON THE ABC TELEVISION NETWORK


First Reality Miniseries is Directed and Executive-Produced by 
Academy Award Winner Barbara Kopple


Two-time Academy Award-winning director Barbara Kopple ("American 
Dream," "Harlan County, U.S.A.," "Wild Man Blues," "My Generation") 
turns her cameras on America's hottest summer playground in ABC's 
first reality miniseries, "The Hamptons." The miniseries will air 
SUNDAY, JUNE 2 AND MONDAY, JUNE 3 (9:00-11:00 p.m., ET, each night), 
on the ABC Television Network.

Filmed between Memorial Day and the week after Labor Day, 2001, Ms. 
Kopple followed the lives of singles looking for love and escape, 
locals caught up in the seasonal onslaught, local farming families, 
celebrities, promoters and wannabes - as they all clash and come 
together over the long hot summer. Shot in Ms. Kopple's cinema verité 
style, "The Hamptons" is a sexy, true-life look at New York's famous 
- and infamous -- beach resort. The Hamptons is depicted as an 
enclave unlike any other in America, but also one full of common 
human experiences, as characters are shown attending weddings and 
funerals, falling in and out of love, and gathering in a school 
auditorium for a piano recital... It just so happens the person 
playing the piano is Billy Joel.

Diane Sokolow ("Casualties of Love: The Long Island Lolita Story") 
and Barbara Kopple are executive producers. The miniseries was 
directed by Barbara Kopple. "The Hamptons" is a production of Cabin 
Creek Productions and Columbia TriStar Domestic Television.

-- 
TV Barn: http://www.tvbarn.com

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 3:36pm
Subject: Re: SCI FI's new lineup

At 04:02 PM 4/2/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >Firestarter Rekindled : The Series.
> > >Charlie has spent the past 10 years on the run from the unscrupulous
> >government > agents who created her.  Tired of running, she decides to
> >search out > other victims of the government's experiments in the hopes
> >of helping > them reclaim their lives.
>
>How... Dark Angel.

Only with an actress who isn't as attractive and has less talent than 
Jessica Alba.  Of course, this is Sci-Fi so I give it a season.


KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

From: The KJB  <osiris@idir.net>
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 3:39pm
Subject: Yahoo?

Anyone else having problems with Yahoo?  The search engine seems to 
function but I can't seem to get into any of the message sections or the 
email.  The front page is barely loading the graphics.  Google seems to be 
having problems too.  I wonder if it's backlash against the new policies?

KJB
Editor, Backstage Pass
http://www.backstage-pass.com
Film Writer, FilmForce.Net
http://filmforce.ign.com

From: Roger Winston  <rwinston@tde.com>
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 4:14pm
Subject: Re: SCI FI's new lineup

Sheesh!  SciFi is going Mini-series Crazy.  I've always dreamed of seeing an Amber adaption - I hope they can pull it off.

Anyone know whatever happened to Riverworld?  I remember seeing it in their promos back in January, but there's no mention of it in this release.

Latre.   --Rog

From: tomalhe  <tomalhe@aol.com>
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 4:30pm
Subject: Remote Patrol: Ed MacMahon to host Wheel of Fortune

Andy was carrying a torch for her in high school, but now she's back 
and carrying her own torch, for the KKK, (jinkies!) on FOX's "Andy 
Richter Controls the Universe" (8:30 PM).

The History Channel explores "Egypt: Land of the Gods" (9 PM) and the 
distinctions between Pharaonic Polytheism, Judaism, Coptic 
Christianity, and Islam. And pyramids, lets not forget the pyramids. 

NBC's "Watching Ellie" (8:30 and 9:30) is ... still on -- which is 
bad news for Scrubs fans, and come to think of it, bad news for 
everyone else. Something something tango competition, something 
something necklace, something something adultery. 

There are eight designs from which all animal life springs. If you've 
forgotten what your science teacher told you they were, check out 
PBS "The Shape of Life" (9 PM).

Jack teams up with an overzealous CTU agent, while trying to catch 
the bad guys, and Senator Palmer has a decision to make, from "5-6 
PM" on FOX's "24" (9 PM).

What's a human skull doing where NBC's "Frasier (9 PM) and Niles used 
to play? I'm guessing it's just one of their old friends they bored 
to death. 

If you fail at sitcoms, get a job hosting a sports show on cable. 
Hey, it worked for Tom Arnold. Will it work for Jay Mohr on 
ESPN's "Mohr Sports" (10 PM)? Only if it's all golf -- all the time. 

Bill and the other lesser Murray's star in Comedy Central's "The 
Sweet Spot" (10 PM) (aka "Caddyshack: The Series"). Because golf is 
funny. Did I say "golf," I meant "talking babies."

Sally Field makes her first ruling, based on bad advice on ABC's "The 
Court" (10 PM). It seems as though she should Dick Clark would make 
an excellent Surgeon General. 

FX's "The Shield" (10 PM) calms down a rap war between the Shark 
Daddy and the Notorious J.E.T.S. Peace out. 

Country Music Television takes a silk purse from a sow's ear with 
some high class Hee Haw-era hits from 1969s "The Glen Campbell 
Goodtime Hour" (10 PM). Think of it as the Smothers Brothers without 
all the Vietnam era radicalism, and 101% more C&W. Joining Glen 
tonight are Johnny Cash, Merle Haggard, and Buck Owens.

Woody Harrelson hosts AMC's "Reel Radicals: The Sixties Revolution in 
Film" (10 PM), featuring interviews with hipsters Norman Jewison, 
Dennis Hopper and Roger Corman. Like, wow, man. 

On MTV's "The Osbournes" (10:30 PM), Ozzie is livin' large. 
Correction: Ozzie is overweight. Hijinks and/or mayhem ensue as he 
tries to get in shape.


UNNECESSARY GUEST STAR PATROL
FOX "That 70s Show" (8 PM) Ted Nugent And Howard Hesseman. Plot: big 
concert, bogus T-shirts. 
ABC's "Dharma & Greg" (8 PM) Dick Clark. Plot: Greg is forced to 
regain his title as king of the college pranksters. Déjà vu. 
ABC's "Dharma & Greg" (8:30 PM) Claudia Schiffer. Plot: Dharna's 
wedding ring may be a fake.


TALK TALK 
Rosie has Ashley Judd, Jason Biggs, and Bob Barker.
VH1's Zach has Rashida Jones and Five for Fighting.
Mike Bullard has Tommy Davidson, author Anthony Bourdain, and Doc 
Walker.
The Daily Show has ex-conservative David Brock.
Jay has Tim Allen, the owner of a Volvo and Five for Fighting.
Dave has Tim Robbins, Jimmie Walker and the cast 
of "Ooooooooooooooklahoma!"
Bill Maher chats with George Wallace, Billy Tauzin, Darlene Kennedy, 
and Wayne Knight.
Conan has John Lithgow and Ryan Reynolds.
Craiggers has Bill Paxton, Ann Hathaway.
Carson has Seth Green, Jim Courier, and Petey Pablo.